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gaming fanboy

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« on: November 21, 2006, 04:44:00 PM »

yay
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Rubber Chewbacca

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2006, 04:48:00 PM »

Stupid drunks at M$
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BaRTiMuS

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2006, 04:49:00 PM »

That may be a typo but what about this picture from play-asia.com. That A/V cable looks like it has an HDMI port at the end of the lead doesnt it? is that a typo too?

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Masterkizz

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2006, 04:52:00 PM »

Looks like VGA to me.

Edit - And it is -

Quote from the site.

Box contents
Xbox 360 Console
Wireless Controller
D Terminal AV Cable        < ------------------
Power Supply (110V)
Manual (Japanese)
Lost Planet
20GB HDD
Universal Remote Control
Xbox Live (3 months)
Headset (Lost Planet design)
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BaRTiMuS

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2006, 04:58:00 PM »

Thats kind of odd since the VGA cable ms sells in NA looks alot different than the one in this picture
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grim_d

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 05:00:00 PM »

QUOTE(Masterkizz @ Nov 21 2006, 11:59 PM) View Post

Looks like VGA to me.

Edit - And it is -

Quote from the site.

Box contents
Xbox 360 Console
Wireless Controller
D Terminal AV Cable        < ------------------
Power Supply (110V)
Manual (Japanese)
Lost Planet
20GB HDD
Universal Remote Control
Xbox Live (3 months)
Headset (Lost Planet design)


Does the VGA cable have composite video on it?

edit: yup, didnt know that. man i wish they would hurry up and just release the HDMI cable and stop arsing around, i dont even want it that much.
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Masterkizz

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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 05:03:00 PM »

No, but the compsoite cable has VGA on it smile.gif
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grim_d

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 05:11:00 PM »

QUOTE(Masterkizz @ Nov 22 2006, 12:10 AM) View Post

No, but the compsoite cable has VGA on it smile.gif


Bah, same difference laugh.gif
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zikronix

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 05:31:00 PM »

doesnt matter if they make an hdmi cable...there is no true digital video out on the 360
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xboxexpert

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 06:36:00 PM »

I dont care what MS says.  They will ship with HDMI.
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 06:38:00 PM »

QUOTE(JohnnyVegas @ Nov 21 2006, 05:42 PM) View Post

Just buy a DVI to HDMI connector. $8 on the net.

They need a chipset added to trully support HDMI which the 360 does not have.

A DVI to HDMI connector will do not good for the 360.  You cannot go from analog to digital, and visa versa.

The 360 GPU does support digital out.  The problem is the analog video encoder.  If they could find a feasable way to bypass the encoder and go strait to the video card (GPU), this hdmi would be possible.
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xboxexpert

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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2006, 06:41:00 PM »

They already have them made...they just dont want to go out and announce it "officially".
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zikronix

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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2006, 06:46:00 PM »

QUOTE(xboxexpert @ Nov 22 2006, 02:48 AM) View Post

They already have them made...they just dont want to go out and announce it "officially".


Ok based off that you show me the digital output from the current shipping 360's av port...you cant cause its not there.

much like I wont show you a 360 hdmi connector.
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2006, 09:34:00 PM »

There are currently 6 unused pins on the 360 av cable, HDMI uses 5 lines to transmit the signal along the cable to the TV set and requires 11 signals input to the HDMI IC. The IC can be put between the 360 av out port and the TV set inside the actual av cable.
It requires these signals to transmit: VSYNC, HSYNC, S/PDIF, MCLK, IDCK, DE, D[23-0], RESET, I2C, INT, HPD thats 11 signals.
H-Sync, V-Sync already exist on the 360 output port so that leaves us with 9 signals minus 6 unused pins, that leaves 3 additional signals that dont have a path to travel.
Lets take out S/PDIF and MCLK, thats  would be the audio, because we already have optical out on the AV cable,  we dont need audio input to the HDMI IC.
Optical to S/PDIF i believe is very easy to do and that leaves us with one signal needed:
Well lets see lets take the reset signal for example: it could be either a low and toggle on high,
or a high and togle on low.
Either, or, I'm sure the logic is 3.3 V.
So for the reset it is plausable to rewrite the software to otput a steady 3.3 v signal on one of the audio channels. Or no signal then just a 3.3 v spike to toggle the reset.
The destinction between one of the audio channels being that or the reset signal, could be identified as simply as a switch like on the HDTV cable that comes with the Premium console.
USE VGA, USE COMPOSITE i think identifies between normal operation and hdtv operation for the AV signal.
When both are toggled could be as USE HDMI and send 3.3 v data down one of the audio channels.


Pinout of 360 AV cable:
http://www.engadget....a-vga-cable-fo/

Sil 9190 HDMI IC:
http://www.siliconim...190_PB_0701.pdf
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2006, 08:18:00 AM »

Mention of the D-Terminal made me curious, here's the wiki article on it: Link

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