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[KyesaRRi]

I see this as nothing more than an Xecuter premotion. Kudos to them if they create the first wide spread hack, but i see it being used only to pirate games, and the few who do use this to create Backups.

Personally, im not going to use this when its released. The only "hack" im really intrested in would be somthing that can run Unix / Homebrew.

[Heet]

Looks like its either out or a bogus file is out.  Its in the not-so-usual places.

I'd look at it but im at work.  Hadn't seen any posts about it surprisingly so it may be garbage.  Its about 11MB so that already gets me wondering.

[KyesaRRi]

QUOTE(blatchy @ Mar 22 2006, 04:07 AM)

I'll stick around.  I guess I'm just more tolerant of ignorance than pretentiousness.

Im not saying that i brought any importance to the scene, neither did i leave a mark. But many good people have left XBS because of the form "trolls" that hang around here.
I know how hard it would be to get what i said working. I still read articles about the 360, i like to be up to date with news on the 360. I was just saying that the Xecuter hack [if it will ever be released] is somthing that i would not use. so thanks for being a real arse about somthing that i said.
But you know i might hang around to see how far you can drag this one out...

[Perplexer]

QUOTE(Heet @ Mar 21 2006, 09:23 PM)

Looks like its either out or a bogus file is out.  Its in the not-so-usual places.

I'd look at it but im at work.  Hadn't seen any posts about it surprisingly so it may be garbage.  Its about 11MB so that already gets me wondering.

Bogus.  11MB of old "taking apart the Xbox360" pics and info, and the 200K firmware flasher (to flash the Xbox 1 8163B with 8050L firmware...)  

My stance on the whole thing is this:  I could care less about retail games or "backups."  My Xbox360 has been on for under an hour since I bought it.  (Check my gamerscore if you doubt me )

But I'm still excited because this firmware hack DOES have value to the homebrew community.  It will open a door to others attempting to modify code on retail discs and hopefully finding a hole.  That's the path which could lead to a softmod and eventually running unsigned code.  It's all we've got so far.

[jojo the clown]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)  Don't get me wrong for what i'm about say. This is a great accomplishment for the box.

What you haven't thought about is that MOST PEOPLE don't have 360's yet. (WHY.)

MS Now knows (i'm sure by now) about this hack/fix. (I like FIX).

So now MS will come out with new boxez (that I and the rest of the world will get)  that have
a different DVD drive in them.
NO Fix for them.

So We still need a Solid FIX.  


So I'm like cool BUT FORK at the same time.

Just my thought,

                            JoJo  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif)

[Spark]

QUOTE(jojo the clown @ Mar 22 2006, 07:08 AM)

 Don't get me wrong for what i'm about say. This is a great accomplishment for the box.

What you haven't thought about is that MOST PEOPLE don't have 360's yet. (WHY.)

MS Now knows (i'm sure by now) about this hack/fix. (I like FIX).

So now MS will come out with new boxez (that I and the rest of the world will get)  that have
a different DVD drive in them.
NO Fix for them.

So We still need a Solid FIX.  
So I'm like cool BUT FORK at the same time.

Just my thought,

                            JoJo  

This is as solid a solution as you will find in the console scene these days. Even if it was a modchip, then MS would modify the hardware so it would no longer work. There's no such thing as a surefire solution anymore, unless you're referring to obsolete hardware.

What I do agree with is that it could be a lot more difficult to transfer this hack to newer hardware like it has been with the PSP hacks, as MS could start building 360's with dvd drives which use a completely different generation of firmware, and they could also force existing users to update in order to play newer titles/Live etc.

On a seperate issue, my 360 has the correct kind of drive for this hack, so it would work for me, so for now I don't really give a fuck, and I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.

[giza]

QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ Mar 20 2006, 11:42 PM)

Sadly I'm not excited about this, in fact I'm downright disappointed.

Team Xecuter went from being one of my favorites to pretty low in my book with this news info.

It's shitty to say the least. Okay now piracy can be rampant, woo hoo is what I hear coming from their team as well as many other fanboys on these pages. I can appreciate The Specialist and their team not releasing such a hack because they can see the possible backlash. It sucks others though as weilling to take the risk. There is no "unsigned code" or "Linux" curtain for anyone to hide behind on this one, it just screams "come and get me" to MS and paints a big bulls eye on places like X-S when people are excited about piracy in such a grand fashon.

Team Xecuter makes it sound like they're helping to work out some kind of tool/hack to allow you to flash your X360 drive and pirate away. This to me it tempting the beast a little too hard.

Okay now flame on regarding my post, but let's be realistic, when XBL is packed with cheaters and MS is coming after Xbox enthusiant sites for chipping away at their bread and butter don't be shocked.

People like this make you wonder sometimes.  I usually do not post because I like to simply read what others are saying.  I think it is about that time for me to chime in a little.  If you think that modifying your original Xbox for linux would be okay with MS, then why don't you call up Bill and give him your personal information and say "Hey Bill, by the way I installed a modchip in my Xbox and I just thought you would like to know that!!"  Regardless if you are only using it for Linux, etc you are still breaking the law as your a$$ would get in deep sh!t.  The whole scene evolves around piracy regardless of how you want to sugar-coat it.  Is this the way you make yourself feel better about doing something that is illegal?  I guess people like you are the type that would justify breaking in a bank be you didn't have any money.

Will this decrease profits for MS, probably, but who cares.  They are zillionaires and we a poor bastards.  Taking a few dollars out of their pockets won't do anything.  Taking $59 out of our pockets may be the difference between eating and not eating.  (I sure no one would buy a game over eating, just wanted to make a point).

[Muzzakus]

Gee I haven’t posted here in years...

Anyway I have no evidence of this and I purely speculate, but I think a balance of piracy and legitimate use is something that helps a company profit.  For every illegitimate user, a legitimate user may sprout.  One factor in the perceived popularity of a console is how big the user base is.  It's a snowball effect which pulls in both sides of the fence.

Did Sony not make a killing with PS1, PS2 and m$ with original XBOX.  All prone to piracy - yet all very successful.  It's almost formulaic.

If this crack in itself boosts m$'s console sales by a certain margin - this can be used as a promotional tool claiming a bigger user base.  When mom and dad come to buying a Christmas present sometime in the future - they will invest in something that they know is popular and feel comfortable with their purchase decision.

Besides, if this crack is to have a legitimate purpose it would be to allow imports of games.  I presume region spoofing is also part of all this ?

I also believe this opens up further avenues for executing homebrew code by providing the entrepreneurs a starting point to breech the box’s internal security by modifying game content.

L8tr,
Muzza


This post has been edited by Muzzakus: Mar 23 2006, 06:31 AM

[smokyjoe]

QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Mar 23 2006, 03:57 PM)

Did Sony not make a killing with PS1, PS2 and m$ with original XBOX.  All prone to piracy - yet all very successful.  It's almost formulaic.

Actually, I believe M$ lost money on the original XBOX: "MS garnered the praise and devotion of many joypad jockeys with its first game system, selling more than 22 million Xbox consoles since its release in 2001. But the company has also lost more than $2 billion in its attempts to establish a foothold in the industry and compete with market leader Sony, which has sold more than 200 million of its PlayStation consoles in the past decade." http://www.theage.co...ge#contentSwap1

Although from what I understand the reason for this is a little trivial. M$, in their infinite wisdom, got other companies to develop the hardware, and then set prices in contract. Generally consoles are sold at a loss to begin with, to encourage sales, and they hope to make up the money on games. As time goes on, development methods get cheaper, parts get cheaper, and efficiencies are discovered, resulting in a cheaper manufacturing cost. Unfortunately for m$, their prices were in contract, so they continue to lose money on xbox1 consoles. Especially as so many people buy them simply because of the hacks that exist. I for one am guilty of taking money from m$. I have never purchased an xbox game, but I dont play games. I bought the xbox solely for xbmc. They weren't as silly this time around. They co-developed the technology, and licence it to their partners. So as development costs decrease, m$ losses on hardware will decrease, and eventually turn to profit.

The above comments, except the quote, are my own understanding. They are not necessarily accurate. I dont pretend to be an expert. Correct me if I'm wrong.