Post by: Xbox-Scene on March 20, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
Team Xecuter Xbox 360 Firmware Hack Update-- Posted by XanTium on March 20 15:00 EST
Team Xecuter(info) posted another news post about the Xbox 360 Firmware Hack. If you missed the earlier reports about this hack, go here and here. From teamxecuter.com:
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We have opened up a new forum dedicated to Xbox 360 Development
http://www.teamxecuter.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=69
We have made some progress with a new read/patch/write app and no doubt you will all be plugging in your drives to your PC and having some fun shortly - all for free too as no modchips required (and yes we still want to play!)
Here is what we envisage...
* Connect Xbox 360 DVD-ROM to PC
* App to update firmware with magic code
* Connect DVD-ROM back to 360 - and away you go
Also this site has some killer information: http://www.kev.nu/360/dvdshort.html [posted yesterday on x-s, more info on what it is here]
Obviousley the only use for this is piracy - hence you wont see any modchips (not from us at least - however they wouldn't be needed anyway - however we do have a few cheap tools to make life much easier - more on that soon). Still a long long way off from unsigned code - but it's a start....
Thanks to The Specialist for reviving the scene! We understand he doesn't want to release anything due to possible backlash - but there are many of us who would - and will.
Keep your eyes on our 360 forums for updates...
BTW: Qwix(info)2 Rules! :-)
Official Site: http://www.teamxecuter.com
Post by: deakphreak on March 20, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: Mjkthirdeye on March 20, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
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Post by: gehx on March 20, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
What's w/ this comment though
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BTW: Qwix(info)2 Rules! :-)
I wonder what new, if any, features Qwix 2 is bringing to the table??
This post has been edited by gehx: Mar 20 2006, 09:25 PM
Post by: quall on March 20, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
Post by: DaddyO21 on March 20, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
Linux , Emulators , Homebrew apps , homebrew games are just around the corner.
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Post by: ensaynexotics on March 20, 2006, 01:34:00 PM
Post by: rehab on March 20, 2006, 01:36:00 PM
that would be awesome, but not possible i'm afraid
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Post by: Sanitarium on March 20, 2006, 01:48:00 PM
QUOTE(rehab @ Mar 20 2006, 02:43 PM) 
Yeah i hope they can somehow make it possible to switch between an untouched drive-image (for live) and a patched one.
that would be awesome, but not possible i'm afraid (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ..
You'd probably need two flash chips. I imagine someone could make that possible and start selling premodded drives.
Post by: nishu on March 20, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
Post by: metalmulisha247 on March 20, 2006, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: ILLusions0fGrander on March 20, 2006, 01:52:00 PM
Post by: XxCrashxX on March 20, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
or they could even go so far as to make it unable to function properly until you revert to the original firmware
Post by: feflicker on March 20, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
Personally, I am going to wait for the hack to be out a while, and see what happens before I open my 360. Good news today!
Post by: mgamer20o0 on March 20, 2006, 02:15:00 PM
Post by: mandrake001 on March 20, 2006, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: Chamrock on March 20, 2006, 02:21:00 PM
I don't have a 360 myself yet, but it is just a matter of time until I get one as soon as the great heavily locked ddor has finally been opened for the community!
Post by: artik on March 20, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
This is the scene ... the real ....
Post by: jonels on March 20, 2006, 03:02:00 PM
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Post by: only2braincellz on March 20, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
BUt, this is one hacker we need.
This, right here, will make MS reliaze finally that you can never keep us out
Im hoping for an update on the Hitachi for the regular xbox. bought 3 and Im not good at hexing. so,
Oh my god this is great. Keep it up
Post by: Avenger 2.0 on March 20, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
QUOTE(metalmulisha247 @ Mar 20 2006, 09:57 PM)
Sup guys I Dont have a 360 yet but hopefully I will soon. Ok if u do flash ur drive what do u think can be the worst consaquence???? What if M$ Does a firmware update and detects ur DVD drive?
Worst case they build a detection in the bios, and your xbox 360 won't boot with the modified dvd-rom.
Post by: mksoftware on March 20, 2006, 02:35:00 PM
However, Xbox LIVE is going to be a problem if you think about it... Updating the 360 will be a pain in the ass.... maybe they include a nice DVD firmware flash including a nice protection on the firmware so you can't fuck with m$ again.... that would suck!
I don't like this PSP style of updating.... however I have to live with it!
Post by: zX_Storm on March 20, 2006, 02:35:00 PM
Post by: funnyperson1 on March 20, 2006, 02:38:00 PM
Post by: mksoftware on March 20, 2006, 02:39:00 PM
QUOTE(metalmulisha247 @ Mar 20 2006, 09:57 PM) 
Sup guys I Dont have a 360 yet but hopefully I will soon. Ok if u do flash ur drive what do u think can be the worst consaquence???? What if M$ Does a firmware update and detects ur DVD drive?
There's no swap method required.... it's direct boot..... insert and play...
Post by: Achtung on March 20, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
definitly great news.
Post by: I-Donut on March 20, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
Post by: redwolf on March 20, 2006, 02:51:00 PM
Post by: WildMonkeys on March 20, 2006, 02:54:00 PM
Post by: Spark on March 20, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
Post by: s00pcan on March 20, 2006, 03:32:00 PM
Post by: stezo2k on March 20, 2006, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: MrPhunkee on March 20, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Spark @ Mar 20 2006, 11:02 PM)
What worries me is that Xecuter said a lot of similar things in the early days of the PSP and then all they ever actually released was a patch for Lumines to make the sound work.
HAHA lol, so true!! Let's hope this time theyre not full of shit! Then kudos and the past is forgotten.
Post by: mksoftware on March 20, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
QUOTE(Spark @ Mar 20 2006, 11:02 PM)
What worries me is that Xecuter said a lot of similar things in the early days of the PSP and then all they ever actually released was a patch for Lumines to make the sound work.
Xecuter doesn't give a lot about the PSP anymore, but the Xbox 360 is absolutely their next victim!
Post by: Spark on March 20, 2006, 03:39:00 PM
Post by: sgr215 on March 20, 2006, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: HansiHusten on March 20, 2006, 03:43:00 PM
go go go go!!
Post by: xboxSlayer on March 20, 2006, 03:49:00 PM
Post by: blagmaster on March 20, 2006, 03:56:00 PM
since the 360 DVD drives are SATA, and i dont have SATA connections, how would i be able to connect/flash(when its possible) the DVD drive?
Post by: Ninjaman on March 20, 2006, 03:59:00 PM
QUOTE(redwolf @ Mar 20 2006, 04:58 PM)
lol... Sony will be paying much attention to the firmware on the PS3, not only because of PSP but finding that the specialist was able to do it with the Xbox360. Great work by the way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
On a side note...any improvements in terms of making a 1:1 backup of a Xbox360 game?...or should we just wait for Qwix2 to be released... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Post by: feflicker on March 20, 2006, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: piggymouth on March 20, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
Will a Xbox1 backup work with the new FW hack?
That you have downloaded the backwards compataibilty for?
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on March 20, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: mike96sc2 on March 20, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
Team Xecuter went from being one of my favorites to pretty low in my book with this news info.
It's shitty to say the least. Okay now piracy can be rampant, woo hoo is what I hear coming from their team as well as many other fanboys on these pages. I can appreciate The Specialist and their team not releasing such a hack because they can see the possible backlash. It sucks others though as weilling to take the risk. There is no "unsigned code" or "Linux" curtain for anyone to hide behind on this one, it just screams "come and get me" to MS and paints a big bulls eye on places like X-S when people are excited about piracy in such a grand fashon.
Team Xecuter makes it sound like they're helping to work out some kind of tool/hack to allow you to flash your X360 drive and pirate away. This to me it tempting the beast a little too hard.
Okay now flame on regarding my post, but let's be realistic, when XBL is packed with cheaters and MS is coming after Xbox enthusiant sites for chipping away at their bread and butter don't be shocked. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Post by: Vegita on March 20, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
Although I imagine they could render the whole unit inoperable until you reflash with the original.
Maybe the ideal would be a chip soldiered onto the drive with a switch that lets you swap firmwares anytime.
Post by: Boydster on March 20, 2006, 03:41:00 PM
Nobody's going to be making back-ups, it's for piracy alone.
I've lost a lot of respect for Team Xecuter. Chipping the Xbox for Linux and XBMC is one thing, releasing this firmware is totally different.
I personally hope MS has a security feature to crash any and all xbox's with this.
And I'm going to be pissed when MS announces they will not be around for another iteration of the Xbox.
Mod for fun, not piracy. I don't know The Specialist, but he's a lot better of a person than the Xecuter team.
Post by: Magixx on March 20, 2006, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: kics on March 20, 2006, 04:00:00 PM
QUOTE(piggymouth @ Mar 20 2006, 03:42 PM)
Great News!!
Will a Xbox1 backup work with the new FW hack?
That you have downloaded the backwards compataibilty for?
yea... i want to see that work too
Post by: downlowfunk on March 20, 2006, 04:03:00 PM
QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ Mar 20 2006, 11:42 PM)
Sadly I'm not excited about this, in fact I'm downright disappointed.
Team Xecuter went from being one of my favorites to pretty low in my book with this news info.
It's shitty to say the least. Okay now piracy can be rampant,
Dude it is Team Executer, X2 Bios, X3 bios. Dude those are pirated illegal bios images, Whats wrong with you?
Post by: Alex548 on March 20, 2006, 04:04:00 PM
QUOTE(HoRnEyDvL @ Mar 20 2006, 02:42 PM)
i dont see how backups on live is a bad thing means more ppl with a bigger variety of games means more ppl on there servers meaning more money for M$. Now playing.
You're kidding right?
M$ is losing money on every xbox 360 they sell (just like xbox 1). Their only revenue is with games, accessories, and XBL subscriptions.
People pirating games means M$ will be losing money on game sales. If they get more people on XBL, they'll have to spend more money on upgrading their servers to handle the extra load. Now, where the hell did you come up with that lame statement above?
Post by: rasstar on March 20, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
QUOTE(downlowfunk @ Mar 21 2006, 12:10 AM)
Dude it is Team Executer, X2 Bios, X3 bios. Dude those are pirated illegal bios images, Whats wrong with you?
I don't see why everyone is jumping around over this news. MS can simply change the security in the DVD drives to prevent this so then what? Only the first Xbox owners will be able to use it and since the dude is not releasing it what's the point.
Plus I wouldn't want to mess up my Live account. There is no point having a 360 without Live.
Post by: miggidy on March 20, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: heraldoffailure on March 20, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
The firmware hack is blatant intent for piracy, there is no excuse you can give a court that will justify its existence, and those who distribute it and develop it will be asking for legal trouble. Legal trouble that MS and others have been waiting a long time to rain down over the scene.
If you want the scene to survive in the open community capacity that it is now, you need to stop any plans to distribute the firmware hack.
Don't bring shame to the scene.
Don't bring shame to yourselves, just stop.
Post by: ZildjianKX on March 20, 2006, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: Alex548 on March 20, 2006, 04:29:00 PM
If this hack would benefit homebrew or lead to upgrading the hdd, then I'm all for it. As of now, this hack will prove to cause more harm than good so that's why other people have been hesitant to release it. I'll continue to read up on this stuff, but I have no plans on trying it.
Post by: heraldoffailure on March 20, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
Well we didn't want to, or mean to help them fix the 360, but I think it's up to some of use to make sure that they get the specialists research and make a patch to fix this firmware hack.
If you want the scene to live on, make sure they EVERYONE knows how this hack works.
The sooner MS get's this fixed, the sooner everyone can concentrate on what the scene is really here for.
Post by: Heet on March 20, 2006, 04:34:00 PM
Post by: heraldoffailure on March 20, 2006, 04:41:00 PM
QUOTE(sgr215 @ Mar 21 2006, 12:41 AM)
Will be nice to see if this gives us any nice exploits for homebrew. Either way, if you don't like whats going on then don't flash the FW to your own 360. Bitching about how bad it is isn't going to do anything but flood X-S threads with mindless crap. We realize some oppose it, do you really think the several threads with all of the same theme (piracy is bad blah blah) will change anything? If so, you're sadly mistaken.
Well sometimes you just have to beat it into peoples skulls when they're doing something wrong.
I mean how many time does your dog piss in the house till you teach it to go outside.
And MS won't care who's doing it and who's not, all they care is a major scene contributer is using the scene to fuck them out of money. That's all the laywers need for xboxhacker.net xbox-scene.com and teamxecuter.com to get shut down forever.
TeamXecuter's legal buisness end is going to regret this. I hope for their sake that the left hand has no control over what the right is doing.
Post by: blagmaster on March 20, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: Alex548 on March 20, 2006, 04:45:00 PM
QUOTE(heraldoffailure @ Mar 20 2006, 03:48 PM)
Well sometimes you just have to beat it into peoples skulls when they're doing something wrong.
I mean how many time does your dog piss in the house till you teach it to go outside.
And MS won't care who's doing it and who's not, all they care is a major scene contributer is using the scene to fuck them out of money. That's all the laywers need for xboxhacker.net xbox-scene.com and teamxecuter.com to get shut down forever.
TeamXecuter's legal buisness end is going to regret this. I hope for their sake that the left hand has no control over what the right is doing.
as long as xs doesn't provide any one with links and/or downloads of this stuff... it'll still be around.
The administrators & moderators will do everything they can to keep xs out of legal troubles.
Post by: john101 on March 20, 2006, 04:54:00 PM
Post by: youdontknow on March 20, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: kics on March 20, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: ZildjianKX on March 20, 2006, 05:06:00 PM
Hopefully someone will be able to hack that as well... looks like it's time to buy an Xbox 360 before they start modifying DVD drives or security checks.
Post by: x30n_ on March 20, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
http://www.abgx.net/...php?type=2&ch=6
req id: 111
Post by: gehx on March 20, 2006, 05:16:00 PM
QUOTE(x30n_ @ Mar 20 2006, 07:19 PM)
it's for xbox 1
Post by: juan_2006 on March 20, 2006, 05:28:00 PM
QUOTE(s00pcan @ Mar 21 2006, 01:32 AM)
Yes, warez. Warez scene. Got it?
Umm dude are we promoting piracy here? We cant talk piracy here or we get banned, and guess what it doesnt fell good to be banned.
Post by: s00pcan on March 20, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: ZildjianKX on March 20, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
QUOTE(s00pcan @ Mar 20 2006, 04:40 PM)
Don't even tell me the whole point of modchips is for homebrew. Anyone who uses this site and doesn't pirate games is part of a minority. I hate how this site acts like total pussies about it when we all do it.
LoL, you've got a point. As I've gotten older I use my Xbox for the media player functions 99% of the time though.
Post by: nwo504 on March 20, 2006, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: juan_2006 on March 20, 2006, 05:48:00 PM
QUOTE(s00pcan @ Mar 21 2006, 01:40 AM)
Don't even tell me the whole point of modchips is for homebrew. Anyone who uses this site and doesn't pirate games is part of a minority. I hate how this site acts like total pussies about it when we all do it.
I suggest dont talk about piracy you'll get banned
Modchips are not only for homebrew thats true people use them to play backups or games they have downloaded. I never said that I've never downloaded a game cause that would be lying. Sure most of us have gotten games off the net. But modding is not simply for pirated games they're mostly for homebrew well atleast to me. I use xbmc more than i play games. Isnt downloading music and movies piracy. Im sure 99% of all pc owners have downloaded a song or a movie, atleast once. It doesnt really matter if people choose to download games its their choice to do it. When you 70 dollars(cnd) game stops working because it got scratched are you gonna go get the same copy of it and waste another 70? Thats what modchips are for and hacks make ur own copy.
Post by: psxpirate1 on March 20, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
To all those "concerned" people worrying about cheats on Xbox Live; rest easy knowing we can't cheat because
there is NO WAY to breach that security. If something is added to the discs it will break the disc signature, and if I hear one more crybaby on this subject...
If anything, subscriptions are gonna go through the roof, and MS will have gained something, if you take into all the people like me not wanting to get an X360 until now. I'm no advocate for piracy, but I understand why alot of people are put-off because of the shoddy engineering of the dvdroms scratching dvd's.Kudos to firmware hackers everywhere!.. It's gonna get done whether people agree with it or not so lets get together and play some xbox. Nevermind trying to change what you wish wouldn't happen, lets stop living in denial, kidding ourselves etc, etc, the subject is getting rather worn out and tired.
Post by: flbeserk on March 20, 2006, 06:08:00 PM
Post by: john101 on March 20, 2006, 06:24:00 PM
Post by: ensaynexotics on March 20, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
Post by: jaynigs on March 20, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
QUOTE(Alex548 @ Mar 20 2006, 11:11 PM)
You're kidding right?
M$ is losing money on every xbox 360 they sell (just like xbox 1). Their only revenue is with games, accessories, and XBL subscriptions.
People pirating games means M$ will be losing money on game sales. If they get more people on XBL, they'll have to spend more money on upgrading their servers to handle the extra load. Now, where the hell did you come up with that lame statement above?
Boo hoo, M$ are losing money on each xbox sold, but are making it back and then some with the interest on their huge bank balance.
They could make the xbox 360 free and it wouldn't hurt the company in the slightest.
Post by: john101 on March 20, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: Alex548 on March 20, 2006, 06:51:00 PM
QUOTE(jaynigs @ Mar 20 2006, 05:47 PM)
Boo hoo, M$ are losing money on each xbox sold, but are making it back and then some with the interest on their huge bank balance.
They could make the xbox 360 free and it wouldn't hurt the company in the slightest.
Did you even bother reading what my statement was in response to?
I'm not sitting here crying over M$ getting screwed... I was merely correcting someone who was obviously misinformed.
Post by: sgr215 on March 20, 2006, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: juan_2006 on March 20, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
QUOTE(sgr215 @ Mar 21 2006, 03:07 AM)
Bill Gates might not get to buy his tropical island paradise until next week thanks to this hack. Is this the world we really want to live in?! I think not.
Hahahahah lol fuck bill that rich bastard. You know forbes magazine gave him the richest man i the world tittle again for the 12th consecutive time.........lol i hope someone can fraud him or something.
Post by: echto on March 20, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: mike96sc2 on March 20, 2006, 07:47:00 PM
QUOTE(Tex8503 @ Mar 20 2006, 05:14 PM)
Now... All you people who are crying "This will cause cheating and destroy live" don't get how this works.
If you modify the files on the disc - it won't boot using this firmware hack.
Simple and clean.
So you can't change the game disc in anyway and STILL get it to play. Let alone on live.
My concern is that MS will detect the modified firmware and screw everyone over by killing their boxes or banning them from live. Which would suck. But thats assuming they can find away to detect changes to the firmware of the drive through a dashboard update.
Thoughts ?
I'm exicted about this because I'm a poor college student and would like to play certain games I can't afford. I have a personal rule where if I play a game for more then a week or 2 - I buy it. Go team xecuter!
EDIT:
Oh... and about the possiblity of playing Xbox 1 copied games emulated - I don't see why it WOULDN'T work unless there is something in the emulation shit that checks the validity of the disc.
First - Um, game files CAN be modified, you can't modify the executable though.
Second - Poor College Student = Bullshit Lame Excuse You can afford a $400 gaming console you can afford to drop $40-$60 on a game.
Third - I hope MS does find a way to bend over all the kiddies who are all for the piracy aspect and ruin their Xbox. I bet they reserve the right too, check your terms of service.
What is really sad about here is there's a lot of people who have been on here for a long time, some longer than I have even who I didn't think were such blatent pirate kiddies and whatnot. I guess it takes something like this to learn who the people who ruin it for the rest are.
When X-S gets shit-canned for all this I won't be surprised. Thanks
Post by: Wffsoccer on March 20, 2006, 07:48:00 PM
QUOTE(youdontknow @ Mar 21 2006, 01:05 AM)
good work Xecuter!!!!!! if they start banning people, guess we'll need two dvd-drives one patched and the other one for Xbox live. here i come EBAY!!!!! TEAM XECUTER ROCKS
lol, good luck with that..
Post by: Vegita on March 20, 2006, 08:22:00 PM
QUOTE(Andy Hewitt @ Mar 21 2006, 03:15 AM)
I'm really trying not to get excited about this.
Unfortunatly, Its just Team Xecuter doing its usual thing.
Team ICE is declared to be a fake, Team Xecuter declare we will release a Modchip "SOON"
The Specialist figures out a Firmware hack and doesn't release. Team Xecuter declare they will release it and they "ENVISAGE" this is how they will make it work.
For Gods sake, Specialist has almost given full instruction on how to do it, all Team Xecuter are doing is cashing in on the hype and trying to keep a name for themselves.
The word "Envisage" means they are no more forward to supplying a finished article than I am !
Unless things have changed over the last few days, Specialist has managed to get 1 game at a time to boot by inserting the required codes for that title in the firmware. Its not a generic system and work is needed per title to get it to boot correctly. Its a work in progress and does anyone know what other problems he may run into?
All Team Xecuter have done with that announcement is give false hope, as until The Specialist and the rest of his team carry on with the work and manage to get a generic firmware created, noone and that includes Team Xecuter can do anything.
All that is happening here is MS are getting confirmation that this is to be released when it is finished. It gives them a heads-up and lets them figure out how to stop the new systems being built from being affected.
What if MS remove the Debug Codes from all New DVD Drives, thats way you cannot get the 4bit unique code out and the whole thing is Fecked. I'm not going to be suprised if games start getting more and more media checks to ensure its running from proper media and in a way that the firmware hack cannot emulate.
With all the hype Its quite possible that the hack may be stopped before its even started. It should have been kept secret until complete.
They're basically doing this for nothing--developing (and releasing) those tools to flash your dvdrom. It's a rule of thumb that when someone does something for nothing and you get it for free, you don't bitch about it.
Post by: mrjkwik on March 20, 2006, 08:27:00 PM
So, is it OK to copy a backup of your game to your harddrive with a modded xbox, even though thats circumventing copyright protection?
Is it OK to make a backup copy of a dvd that you own, even though thats circumventing copyright protection?
Is it OK to rip a CD you bought to your harddrive, even though thats circumventing copyright protection?
Is it OK to strip DRM out of Itunes music so that you can move it to a player that isnt an IPOD, even though thats circumventing copyright protection?
C'mon, 99% of people on this board would damn the DMCA if they could. To say no to any of these means you support the DMCA. If that truly is your feeling, you have that right.
But if you say yes to any of those, then that means your being a hypocrit. Every one of those situations can and are used for piracy as well.
If you support legitimate backups, then you have to take the good with the bad, and be consistent across the board.
Edit: Reference info about DMCA, a change to it that would allow "legal" backups, and how you can help.
Post by: senas8 on March 20, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
What is really sad about here is there's a lot of people who have been on here for a long time, some longer than I have even who I didn't think were such blatent pirate kiddies and whatnot. I guess it takes something like this to learn who the people who ruin it for the rest are.
....Come on now...the reason they lost money with the first xbox is because of piracy? Hardware.
Post by: pdottz on March 20, 2006, 09:48:00 PM
QUOTE(heraldoffailure @ Mar 21 2006, 12:40 AM)
On a second note, MS used this site to beef the security on the 360. We, the scene, were their biggest and best source of what they did wrong, and how to fix it.
Well we didn't want to, or mean to help them fix the 360, but I think it's up to some of use to make sure that they get the specialists research and make a patch to fix this firmware hack.
If you want the scene to live on, make sure they EVERYONE knows how this hack works.
The sooner MS get's this fixed, the sooner everyone can concentrate on what the scene is really here for.
my thoughts exactly. as i posted in the other thread. my guess alone is that m$ used the consumer to test out security on the 360. it's the only reason i can see for them not restocking the stores in a time fashion. not because of bullshit "shortages". if they really wanted to be number 1 then there'd be boxes for everyone on shelves. but like i said, i think we where just used (not us per se but the hackers) to test and break security on the box so future 360's would be better patched. aside from their beta testers and console testers, who better to use? the consumer of course....
Post by: Pikkon on March 20, 2006, 09:48:00 PM
Post by: krayzie on March 20, 2006, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: Questioner on March 20, 2006, 10:48:00 PM
How quickly people forget what they have done for this community.
Post by: krayzie on March 20, 2006, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: SniperKilla on March 20, 2006, 10:55:00 PM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Mar 21 2006, 12:54 AM)
It's just like Executer grasps every bit of hacking news and hype it up some more to make themselves feel more important. Funny how everybody acts like executer are like gods or something. I think even if executer does any contributions to this it comes from allready pre designed apps and they just adjust it a little and stick their name to it and claim all the fame.
xecuter has done more for the xbox "Scene" then any other team, and any other single person.. i dont know where you get off talking such shit
Post by: krayzie on March 20, 2006, 11:00:00 PM
Post by: Pikkon on March 20, 2006, 11:01:00 PM
QUOTE(Questioner @ Mar 21 2006, 12:25 AM)
You understand little then. Here's a hint, PSP. The cat is out of the bag and there is nothing MS can do about the fundamental security issue with the system, yes they will likely block it in some way and probably permanantly for xbox live purposes, but otherwise, it will be a cat and mouse game between them and hackers with backups being able to be run 95 percent of the time.
I know what Im talking about,its not about blocking from xbox live,its blocking its whole process.I know what your talking about,they will block or patch the hack and then make you update your 360.There is alot MS can do about it,they can encrypt the firmware to where it will be to much to decipher.MS will render this firmware hack useless.
Post by: SniperKilla on March 20, 2006, 11:02:00 PM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Mar 21 2006, 01:07 AM)
I'm not interested in some kiddy flame war. I'm not saying they haven't done anything for the scene I was just pointing out on how they always wanna be on top when something hits the news. First the fake ice chips now the hacked firmware and then they start talking about a pc app flashing the firmware when it has been said multiple times people on xbh are allready working on those apps.
sure they wanna be on top.. why the hell wouldent you...
maybe the people on xbh are working on them.. nothing was made public about them, so if team x releases one say next week.. who are you going to claim they ripped off and claimed as their own?
Post by: kezor on March 20, 2006, 11:07:00 PM
Post by: krayzie on March 20, 2006, 11:13:00 PM
Post by: JohnnyVegas on March 20, 2006, 11:39:00 PM
You guys.. Some of the guys working on this works for and with Xecuter...
Some of the names on the list are from Xecuter and formaly Xenium before they split. I have personally dealt with one of them when running my online mod store. This is way they say they are working on it and it's coming soon. They know because they are in some way part of it.
LOL
Post by: trey85stang on March 20, 2006, 11:47:00 PM
QUOTE(juan_2006 @ Mar 21 2006, 01:35 AM)
Cant you guys just get over it. The firmware will come out and if team xecuter wants to get fucked by m$ then thats their choice. Most of us want this hack to come out some of you dont. Man if it comes out then just dont do it to your xbox if you dont like it, fuck its not like theres gonna be intense modding on live.If you guys want an x360mc in the future then quit bitching around. Gosh we need this mod.
ps: This is to The Specialist: Man why are you toying with us this is the second time you got our hopes up and then crushed them, frick just release it you'll be a hero.
Umm dude are we promoting piracy here? We cant talk piracy here or we get banned, and guess what it doesnt fell good to be banned.
uhhnh... everything on this site is a road to piracy. There is a forum for discussing hacked bios.. which are all illegal. This site is one of the biggest hypocrites.. as long as you ar enot talking about pirating a game... it's all fair game.
Post by: CrystalXBOX on March 20, 2006, 11:53:00 PM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Mar 21 2006, 07:20 AM)
I'm not claiming anything I just thought the idea was not very original................
Aren't you the one that invented softmodding? Give proper respect as you'd want others to have the same for you.
Post by: krawhitham on March 21, 2006, 12:09:00 AM
QUOTE(SniperKilla @ Mar 21 2006, 07:02 AM)
xecuter has done more for the xbox "Scene" then any other team, and any other single person.. i dont know where you get off talking such shit
bunnie ????
Post by: luther349 on March 21, 2006, 12:09:00 AM
call me when a360 is truly modded. priets forget that games keep consoles alive. yes not even i will play 60 bucks for a game but i also dont own a 360. if you refuse to pay there prices then dont buy the system it will make them rethink everything.
Post by: Xombe on March 21, 2006, 12:24:00 AM
But don't act an ass and climb on your "proud pirate you-know-you-all-do-it and aren't I slick for shouting myself out" soapbox on these forums.
We could, frankly, give a damn about your views, and this site will not condone piracy in any form (for the purpose of, at the very, very least, keeping the best resource for Xbox modders legit and running).
Fair warning (which oddly enough comes in the unlikely guise of common-goddamn-sense).
Post by: mstandlee on March 21, 2006, 12:34:00 AM
Would it be possible to (once the fw hack was out of course) use the hack if I never went online with it? Would I be able to go out to walmart and buy a xbox360 then use the fw hack once it was released? Thanxs for any info,
mstandlee
Post by: explosive2 on March 21, 2006, 01:08:00 AM
Post by: ipodder2003 on March 21, 2006, 01:37:00 AM
QUOTE(CrystalXBOX @ Mar 21 2006, 01:00 AM)
Aren't you the one that invented softmodding? Give proper respect as you'd want others to have the same for you.
I hope that's sarcasm. No single person really "invented" softmodding persay, but you can probably credit xbox-linux for almost all of the early findings. Krayzie is definitely "the man" as far as current softmods go, however, I've never seen him demand respect out of anyone, although he deserves it.
I agree with krayzie; Xecuter's approach to this isn't necessarily original, but they might end up with the first public release of the firmware hack, which would be fantastic publicity for the most part. Imagine the hits on their site once the Xecuter name is slapped all over this hack - exponential growth of new visitors. At any rate, sure, Xecuter didn't invent it, but they're making the move.
It's just like current modchip makers... many of them didn't have a thing to do with the creation of the first Xbox chip, but they've created much easier to use and stable solutions. I'm all for having more than one group in on this same thing.
Post by: CrystalXBOX on March 21, 2006, 01:55:00 AM
QUOTE(ipodder2003 @ Mar 21 2006, 09:44 AM)
I hope that's sarcasm. No single person really "invented" softmodding persay, but you can probably credit xbox-linux for almost all of the early findings. Krayzie is definitely "the man" as far as current softmods go, however, I've never seen him demand respect out of anyone, although he deserves it.
I agree with krayzie; Xecuter's approach to this isn't necessarily original, but they might end up with the first public release of the firmware hack, which would be fantastic publicity for the most part. Imagine the hits on their site once the Xecuter name is slapped all over this hack - exponential growth of new visitors. At any rate, sure, Xecuter didn't invent it, but they're making the move.
It's just like current modchip makers... many of them didn't have a thing to do with the creation of the first Xbox chip, but they've created much easier to use and stable solutions. I'm all for having more than one group in on this same thing.
Exactly my point!! OBVIOUSLY Xecuter is only going to do things that help PROMOTE xbox modding, not hinder, so WTF. Let everyone do their thing.
Post by: Chancer on March 21, 2006, 02:17:00 AM
QUOTE
And the really funny thing is I guarantee every person saying they are against the release of this hack and piracy, once it is released boots up a backup and streams some illegally download music.
Who cares what people do in there own world?
What matters is as Xombe has already mentioned not to tar XS posts with the same brush.
Breaking the Law whatever...coming on here and spouting how wonderful it is and how everyone does it is just stupid. If you feel the need to announce it to the world then don't use XS as a vehicle.
Strange how many members with usually very little to say suddenly develop loud voices when the chance of having some games for nothing comes up.
Post by: JethroTul on March 21, 2006, 03:19:00 AM
For those kiddies that dont agree with MODCHIPS and HACKING please be advised that you are in the WRONG SECTION .
It sounds totally stupid to a person that doesnt agree with MODCHIPS and HACKING to get into a FORUM like this great forum and especially getting into a section called XBOX 360 HACKING and saying that he doesnt agree... Excuse my ignorance but why are you reading these posts ? and why did you get into this section ?
I totally agree in the right for democratic discussion but I then think its stupid to enter into a section which you dont agree with to try and PERSUADE people not to do this and that ...
If its wrong for you then DONT enter into this section and read the legit sections and leave others that are in this section and like it to read what they like.
I have been in the SATELLITE SCENE for a long time.... Had my own european forums....Had Canal Plus prosecute against me in court.... SO WHAT ...its is what I love and like as a hobby and NOBODY can ever tell me WHAT TO DO except GOD.
Good work THE SPECIALIST and TEAM ....
AMEN
Post by: mksoftware on March 21, 2006, 03:43:00 AM
Post by: bowser22 on March 21, 2006, 03:51:00 AM
Post by: dom0012 on March 21, 2006, 04:00:00 AM
and so what if you cant run homebrew... does that = piracy?? NO! so how can everyone assume that??? Anyone who assumes that is speaking for themself!
Post by: bowser22 on March 21, 2006, 04:05:00 AM
Post by: _Access_ on March 21, 2006, 04:36:00 AM
Post by: MacDennis on March 21, 2006, 04:44:00 AM
QUOTE(dom0012 @ Mar 21 2006, 12:07 PM)
What if you back up your own store bought 360 games (keep in mind 360 games are $60.00 a piece) and use the firmware legitimately? I would say this firmware hack protects your 60 friggin dollar game investments, seeing they are easily scratched and damaged.
Fact is, over here you are allowed to make a backup of your music, games, whatever. Perfectly legal.
BUT, in order to use the backup you will first have to circumvent a protection measure which is not legal.
The law is a funny thing ..
Post by: mstandlee on March 21, 2006, 04:44:00 AM
QUOTE(_Access_ @ Mar 21 2006, 05:43 AM)
this hack goin to be worthless once in circulation for a few weeks, m$ will apply media checks to there games unless theres a work around.
QUOTE(snowcrash8 @ Mar 21 2006, 05:49 AM)
this hack goin to be worthless once in circulation for a few weeks, m$ will apply media checks to THEIR games unless theres a work around.
and, you make no sense.
Perfectionist..
Post by: mstandlee on March 21, 2006, 04:51:00 AM
QUOTE(mstandlee @ Mar 21 2006, 01:41 AM)
O.K I have a question.. After reading the last three pages, will this hack work on the new versions of the xbox360? I mean, the specialist released the news of his hack like a week or two ago right? So would MS already create a 'fix' for the fw hack and have it on the shelves or would MS wait a little while before they create the 'fix' so that they can use the us to find the other security breaches before they build another 'impossible to hack system'?
Would it be possible to (once the fw hack was out of course) use the hack if I never went online with it? Would I be able to go out to walmart and buy a xbox360 then use the fw hack once it was released? Thanxs for any info,
mstandlee
Anyone
?mstandlee
btw..
QUOTE(snowcrash8 @ Mar 21 2006, 05:55 AM)
my pet peeve.lol..
Post by: crewx on March 21, 2006, 05:12:00 AM
A hack is available and do-able (or done-able). We say we are going to help as i'm tired of thousands of emails every day asking us to lol. It's all free and no profiting. We get hundreds of thousands of hits a week on the website anyway so promotion isn't required - we are Xecuter thats the promotion right there.
We have been bored and went back to real life jobs and didn't really bother too much with the 360 as first analysis showed it was way too much work with probably no good results. Now this comes to light - it's no work of our own and we don't claim it to be but if we can help make it better / easier / more accessible - why not ?
We also agree with the fact that it's not good for live - live on the 360 is awesome - that needs looking at also.
Flamers and bitchers need to stfu
Post by: crewx on March 21, 2006, 05:14:00 AM
QUOTE(Andy Hewitt @ Mar 21 2006, 07:06 AM)
ROFLMAO
Your telling Krayzie to remember what Xecuter did for the community ?!?!?
This Guy saved me £30 everytime I used his Softmod Package for FREE, instead of having to pay for a Modchip.
using bios hacks we released for free
who do you think did most of that work ?
you all benefited wether you bought a mod or not.
Post by: Rodstorm on March 21, 2006, 05:31:00 AM
Taking the rom drive out, flashing it and then replacing it might work but sounds like a pain in the arse to do.
As for the piracy issue no one will ever be able to write the perfect reply to both sides of the argument so why dont we just agree to disagree and let it go and move on?
Post by: mstandlee on March 21, 2006, 05:35:00 AM
Just my 2 cents though..
mstandlee
Post by: blagmaster on March 21, 2006, 05:46:00 AM
But so did Krayzie.
No need for disrespecting Krayzie for giving his opinion about this, he is right in my opinion.
Post by: airedwin on March 21, 2006, 05:49:00 AM
maybe adding authentication to the response from the dvd drive
Post by: barrywebb on March 21, 2006, 05:52:00 AM
QUOTE(airedwin @ Mar 21 2006, 08:56 PM)
i think it won't be too difficult for MS to stop this they will have to change their protocol for the dvd drive
maybe adding authentication to the response from the dvd drive
Xbox live is down right now. I have a feeling that they're already applying countermeasures. Most likely the situation will be similar to the past, where modded boxes can't go on Live, but they'll thrive and have their own ways for online play. Oddly enough, this actually *helps* MS gain more market share and makes the 360 more accessible to more people....at the expense of their software developers.
I wonder if the PS3 will ever have a hack like this....or maybe it will involve something more convoluted, like a connection to a hard disk with game backups, etc. But that's another topic altogether.
Post by: wmadoss on March 21, 2006, 06:02:00 AM
Post by: airedwin on March 21, 2006, 06:06:00 AM
QUOTE(barrywebb @ Mar 21 2006, 12:59 PM)
Xbox live is down right now. I have a feeling that they're already applying countermeasures. Most likely the situation will be similar to the past, where modded boxes can't go on Live, but they'll thrive and have their own ways for online play. Oddly enough, this actually *helps* MS gain more market share and makes the 360 more accessible to more people....at the expense of their software developers.
I wonder if the PS3 will ever have a hack like this....or maybe it will involve something more convoluted, like a connection to a hard disk with game backups, etc. But that's another topic altogether.
ya i was wondering if someone was gonna figure esomething out for the ps2 also... it can't be too different
i think the same too that xbox live is down so they can add detection for modified firmware but i dont think this hack will be made for the masses because it's already specific in the sense you have to have the LG dvddrive and MS will keep changing with every batch that is released i mean it won't really stop it but it will make it more difficult and annoying, i don't see why a modchip can't be made that sits between the drive and the cpu? (logically not physically) that just does what the new firmware does but i guess more research is necessary for that
i also think that MS held off on their shipments too to see what sort of hacks come out and then they can address them in the next batch but that makes the first batch xbox360s that much more valuable
QUOTE(psxpirate1 @ Mar 21 2006, 01:07 PM)
I don't agree that this will affect Live in any negative way. How could it?
Once the signature is broken, it's broken! You can't cheat. There's no way around that. If you have proof to the contrary, please enlighten me. Having this hack will only boost Live subscriptions if there's no security check on the dvdrom firmware. 
MS will probably ban you if they detect modified firmware but i don't think ti's hard for the hackers to spoof a legitimate firmware response so we'll see...
Post by: mrjkwik on March 21, 2006, 06:26:00 AM
Piracy "fear" is lame as well. As I stated in a previous post, if your backing your games up to your xbox, backing up dvds, or ripping your own cds, your already circumventing copyright protection. The firmware is helping bypass copyright protection. By circumventing copyright protections, you can either make a legal 1 to 1 copy of a product you have already bought, or you can pirate it. Right now, you cant really have one option without the risk of the other. Be consistent. Take the good with the bad. Piracy of copyrighted materials has been around since before many of you, if not all of us, have been alive.
The only real valid concern should be the effect on live. Then again, thats just my opinion.
Post by: twistedsymphony on March 21, 2006, 08:19:00 AM
QUOTE(echto @ Mar 20 2006, 09:21 PM)
Could the tool Team Xecuter is talking about be used to replace a broken DVD drive? If the 360 is expecting a specific dvd drive wouldn't it be possible to back up your original dvd drive's firmware and use it to write it to another similar dvd drive so the 360 would accept it? Just wondering. I see a tool like this having possibilities of saving the $400 spent that billy boy now uses as toilet paper.
This was the first thing I thought of when I heard this app was getting released, I can't believe there are nearly 170 responses to this news (so far) and you're the ONLY person to bring this up and no one even bothered to read it or respond...
Considering all DVD drives are locked to the mobo something like this Xecuter app could allow us to strip ut the code so we can swap drives out from one console to another.
Definitely good considering the number of people who are not happy with the drive their console came with. Not to mention people who do case mods, if you mess it up you could replace just the drive rather then the whole console.
Post by: krayzie on March 21, 2006, 08:36:00 AM
I'm just a bit tired overall in all the hyping of this hack. It's like all I see is pirate hungry newbies ready for downloading games asking about this hack acting like it's allready usable or will be within the next few days.
Post by: Banditt on March 21, 2006, 09:17:00 AM
If you are against piracy and this hack, then guess what, don't use it. plain and simple. Opinions are like
A-holes, everyone has one and they usually stink, so keep it to yourself. + is this not the technical forum? Why is everyone discussing morals here?
This thread = teh garbage
Post by: krayzie on March 21, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
QUOTE(Banditt @ Mar 21 2006, 05:24 PM)
The moral crusaders are killing this thread, It's getting old hearing from all you turds who are so worried about piracy preaching to the rest of us.
If you are against piracy and this hack, then guess what, don't use it. plain and simple. Opinions are like
A-holes, everyone has one and they usually stink, so keep it to yourself. + is this not the technical forum? Why is everyone discussing morals here?
This thread = teh garbage
Are you aware that when this site turns into a pro-piracy info board it will probably be forced offline within no-time? If you can not sympathise with the forum rules then just go to a place where you can. We do not care what your morals are or aint but to be on these forums you have to abide by the forum rules. And apart from the moral complainers it's the pirate kids like yourself that are thrashing all these topics with their bullshit which are just as bad.
Post by: KR4ZYMAN on March 21, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: heraldoffailure on March 21, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
Many of you are missing the point. No one here gives a damn whether piracy is legal or not. We all know it is! But none of us care about that.
You can pirate crap all you want, I do, I DON'T CARE. You could destroy MS, I wouldn't care.
Something like a modchip has uses other than piracy, therefore the law allows it to exist, keyword ALLOWS. A firmware hack for the sole purpose of playing copies of games on your console has ONE use, piracy. And things with the sole intent of piracy don't last, EVER. See napster, that warez torrent site that was shut down supr *cough* no....,pandora's cube... ect... ect...
The legal repercussions that this will have on the scene, is everyone's concern.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT MS OR WHETHER WE GO TO HELL FOR MAKING COPIES OF GAMES!
We all care about the scene. If it wasn't here most of you would have nothing to do. The scene exists now because we play within the realm of legality (don't beleive me try reading the god damn forum rules). Once you cross that line, we're all fucked.
Post by: Banditt on March 21, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Mar 21 2006, 04:38 PM)
Are you aware that when this site turns into a pro-piracy info board it will probably be forced offline within no-time? If you can not sympathise with the forum rules then just go to a place where you can. We do not care what your morals are or aint but to be on these forums you have to abide by the forum rules. And apart from the moral complainers it's the pirate kids like yourself that are thrashing all these topics with their bullshit which are just as bad.
Hmmm, I don't recall putting myself in the "Pirate Kid" category... do u chief? I never told you what my morals are or ain't as you so eloquently put it. Please don't make assumptions as to my point of the fence on this argument. What I was trying to say there was that this is a technical forum, meant to discuss things of a "Technical" nature. Not whether you think its right or wrong to use the FW hack. Also, as for this site being pro-piracy info board....What do you think was the major content on this board before all these homebrew apps came out? Oh thats right, you weren't a member yet. Well let me inform you. IT WAS INFO. ON HOW TO COPY GAMES AND HACK THE BOX... BTW what forum rules was I not abiding by? None? Exactly, so why are you being such a major tool and trying to come out with an attack on me?
Post by: blagmaster on March 21, 2006, 09:58:00 AM
QUOTE
And things with the sole intent of piracy don't last, EVER.
Yes they do, they just come back in another form.
Napster-> Limewire
SuprNova-> Mininova
etc. etc.
Post by: heraldoffailure on March 21, 2006, 10:01:00 AM
QUOTE(Banditt @ Mar 21 2006, 06:04 PM)
What I was trying to say there was that this is a technical forum, meant to discuss things of a "Technical" nature.
Um, you might want to read the topic.... You're in a thread to discuss a news item... Not a technical discussion forum. People will post what they please.
Post by: Banditt on March 21, 2006, 10:07:00 AM
QUOTE(heraldoffailure @ Mar 21 2006, 05:08 PM)
Um, you might want to read the topic.... You're in a thread to discuss a news item... Not a technical discussion forum. People will post what they please.
Uhmmm lets see topic = Team Xecuter Xbox 360 Firmware Hack Update [Check]
Forum = Xbox360 Forums > Xbox 360 Hacking (technical) > General Technical Hacking Discussion > Team Xecuter Xbox 360 Firmware Hack Update
You were saying?
Post by: krayzie on March 21, 2006, 10:11:00 AM
QUOTE(Banditt @ Mar 21 2006, 06:04 PM)
Hmmm, I don't recall putting myself in the "Pirate Kid" category... do u chief? I never told you what my morals are or ain't as you so eloquently put it. Please don't make assumptions as to my point of the fence on this argument. What I was trying to say there was that this is a technical forum, meant to discuss things of a "Technical" nature. Not whether you think its right or wrong to use the FW hack. Also, as for this site being pro-piracy info board....What do you think was the major content on this board before all these homebrew apps came out? Oh thats right, you weren't a member yet. Well let me inform you. IT WAS INFO. ON HOW TO COPY GAMES AND HACK THE BOX... BTW what forum rules was I not abiding by? None? Exactly, so why are you being such a major tool and trying to come out with an attack on me?
Ok well excuse me if I placed you in a certain category or not. I was just trying to make a general statement. On the one side we have like the guys talking on how they dislike this hack and stuff and on the other side we have the guys talkin on how they are wrong and everybody has the right to download everything they want resulting in an endless useless battle which as you noticed contains no technical info whatsoever.
What everybody seems to forget though is that we do have rules in here and people not always live up to that with their statements. I'm not saying I am against this hack (If I was not interested I wouldn't even be here) but people are so caught up in their arguments wether piracy is morally right or wrong (mostly neglecting the forums rules) it makes it hard to get any real discsussions going.
Post by: blagmaster on March 21, 2006, 10:22:00 AM
If you are against it you won't use it, why would it affect you if another person does? It won't.
Now on with the technical discussions
.
Post by: MrPhunkee on March 21, 2006, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: Banditt on March 21, 2006, 10:49:00 AM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Mar 21 2006, 05:18 PM)
Ok well excuse me if I placed you in a certain category or not. I was just trying to make a general statement. On the one side we have like the guys talking on how they dislike this hack and stuff and on the other side we have the guys talkin on how they are wrong and everybody has the right to download everything they want resulting in an endless useless battle which as you noticed contains no technical info whatsoever.
What everybody seems to forget though is that we do have rules in here and people not always live up to that with their statements. I'm not saying I am against this hack (If I was not interested I wouldn't even be here) but people are so caught up in their arguments wether piracy is morally right or wrong (mostly neglecting the forums rules) it makes it hard to get any real discsussions going.
That my friend is the exact point I was trying to get across.
Post by: blagmaster on March 21, 2006, 11:34:00 AM
QUOTE(MrPhunkee @ Mar 21 2006, 06:39 PM)
Well.. If its released, dont u think it wont last long? They make games only playable with the normal firmware, double checks etc. Like what was goin on with psp. GTA for example. Or are we one up on them? And the Hitachi drive is an advantage it seems for now. Glad I have one
It might not last long, but a newer hacked version of the firmware might appear
Hacked firmware released
-MS makes users update consoles/MS makes games check for firmware
New Hacked firmware which fakes firmware check released
etc. etc.
-MS brings out Xbox360 v1.1
New methods to hack the Xbox360 will have to be found.
I think..
Post by: chr0ma on March 21, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
Exciting news indeed!!
Post by: Hajaz on March 21, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
QUOTE(Vegita @ Mar 20 2006, 11:44 PM)
I was worried MS will force all games to run an executable that would indiscriminitely flash your drive with its original firmware (regardless of whether it thinks its original or not), then I thought this would be difficult since the drive would be in use?
Although I imagine they could render the whole unit inoperable until you reflash with the original.
Maybe the ideal would be a chip soldiered onto the drive with a switch that lets you swap firmwares anytime.
ms cant flash the drive everytime a game boots. theres a limit to how many times these chips can be flashed you know
Post by: Boydster on March 21, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
Apparantly Team Xecuter promotes piracy. Didn't know they were a bunch of low-life people like that.
They know, as well as everyone else here, 1/20 people will use the hack for the sole purpose of backing up games they themselves own.
BTW Xecuter, I will laugh, like rofl type laugh, when MS sues everyone of your asses.
Have a nice life.
Post by: Chancer on March 21, 2006, 02:03:00 PM
Nobody gives a rats what you do or don't do that breaks the law. The sole purpose of all the warnings given in this thread is to stop people advocating piracy on XS. No one cares if you are a pirate or not just DO NOT bring the argument over it into here.
This is indeed General Technical Hacking and it also says at the Head of the forum Hard Moderated.
Most of the Mods are spending time clearing up the shit out of this thread.
I for one will close every post in here from now that starts discussion on "everyone pirates" etc
It will only end one way the thread may get locked .
As twistedsymphony stated one of the possibilities in this is being able to replace the DVD drive if it packs in and that would surely be good news to many.
Lets keep the discussion from this point focused on the section heading .
Thanks
Post by: ThAmAn on March 21, 2006, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: meerdorf on March 21, 2006, 03:38:00 PM
April 1st is a bugger of a day and I hate it! Anyhows, this has made compelling reading and like the above post is pure speculation. We have aload of pages on speculation and now my head hurts, but I will carry it on! As for xbox Live, on our pc's alot of us have copied games and we still pay to play online games (via serial codes etc) could this then be the way Live will go? You pay your membership for live but can only play online with a unique serial on a game. I read this somewhere on the scene and thought the same? By the way, I don't doubt that this will be released anyday soon... but waiting is so hard but we will all have to find something else to do! Just don't date a release in 11 days!!!
Post by: Social-Zero on March 21, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on March 21, 2006, 07:16:00 PM
QUOTE
A firmware hack for the sole purpose of playing copies of games on your console has ONE use, piracy.
That is a very one sided, narrow minded assumption.
No, it serves 2 purposes, backing up games you own, and loading games you dont. Your harping on one point. Yes, it will probably be used greatly with one purpose in mind, and that is to pirate games. But that DOES NOT negate the fact that there is another purpose for it.
Post by: KyesaRRi on March 21, 2006, 07:46:00 PM
Personally, im not going to use this when its released. The only "hack" im really intrested in would be somthing that can run Unix / Homebrew.
Post by: Heet on March 21, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
I'd look at it but im at work. Hadn't seen any posts about it surprisingly so it may be garbage. Its about 11MB so that already gets me wondering.
Post by: KyesaRRi on March 21, 2006, 08:58:00 PM
QUOTE(blatchy @ Mar 22 2006, 04:07 AM)
I'll stick around. I guess I'm just more tolerant of ignorance than pretentiousness.
Im not saying that i brought any importance to the scene, neither did i leave a mark. But many good people have left XBS because of the form "trolls" that hang around here.
I know how hard it would be to get what i said working. I still read articles about the 360, i like to be up to date with news on the 360. I was just saying that the Xecuter hack [if it will ever be released] is somthing that i would not use. so thanks for being a real arse about somthing that i said.
But you know i might hang around to see how far you can drag this one out...
Post by: Perplexer on March 21, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
QUOTE(Heet @ Mar 21 2006, 09:23 PM)
Looks like its either out or a bogus file is out. Its in the not-so-usual places.
I'd look at it but im at work. Hadn't seen any posts about it surprisingly so it may be garbage. Its about 11MB so that already gets me wondering.
Bogus. 11MB of old "taking apart the Xbox360" pics and info, and the 200K firmware flasher (to flash the Xbox 1 8163B with 8050L firmware...)
My stance on the whole thing is this: I could care less about retail games or "backups." My Xbox360 has been on for under an hour since I bought it. (Check my gamerscore if you doubt me
)But I'm still excited because this firmware hack DOES have value to the homebrew community. It will open a door to others attempting to modify code on retail discs and hopefully finding a hole. That's the path which could lead to a softmod and eventually running unsigned code. It's all we've got so far.
Post by: jojo the clown on March 21, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
What you haven't thought about is that MOST PEOPLE don't have 360's yet. (WHY.???)
MS Now knows (i'm sure by now) about this hack/fix. (I like FIX).
So now MS will come out with new boxez (that I and the rest of the world will get) that have
a different DVD drive in them.
NO Fix for them.
So We still need a Solid FIX.
So I'm like cool BUT FORK at the same time.
Just my thought,
JoJo (IMG:style_emoticons/default/muhaha.gif)
Post by: Spark on March 22, 2006, 05:03:00 AM
QUOTE(jojo the clown @ Mar 22 2006, 07:08 AM)
Don't get me wrong for what i'm about say. This is a great accomplishment for the box.What you haven't thought about is that MOST PEOPLE don't have 360's yet. (WHY.???)
MS Now knows (i'm sure by now) about this hack/fix. (I like FIX).
So now MS will come out with new boxez (that I and the rest of the world will get) that have
a different DVD drive in them.
NO Fix for them.
So We still need a Solid FIX.
So I'm like cool BUT FORK at the same time.
Just my thought,
JoJo
This is as solid a solution as you will find in the console scene these days. Even if it was a modchip, then MS would modify the hardware so it would no longer work. There's no such thing as a surefire solution anymore, unless you're referring to obsolete hardware.
What I do agree with is that it could be a lot more difficult to transfer this hack to newer hardware like it has been with the PSP hacks, as MS could start building 360's with dvd drives which use a completely different generation of firmware, and they could also force existing users to update in order to play newer titles/Live etc.
On a seperate issue, my 360 has the correct kind of drive for this hack, so it would work for me, so for now I don't really give a fuck, and I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.
Post by: giza on March 22, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
QUOTE(mike96sc2 @ Mar 20 2006, 11:42 PM)
Sadly I'm not excited about this, in fact I'm downright disappointed.
Team Xecuter went from being one of my favorites to pretty low in my book with this news info.
It's shitty to say the least. Okay now piracy can be rampant, woo hoo is what I hear coming from their team as well as many other fanboys on these pages. I can appreciate The Specialist and their team not releasing such a hack because they can see the possible backlash. It sucks others though as weilling to take the risk. There is no "unsigned code" or "Linux" curtain for anyone to hide behind on this one, it just screams "come and get me" to MS and paints a big bulls eye on places like X-S when people are excited about piracy in such a grand fashon.
Team Xecuter makes it sound like they're helping to work out some kind of tool/hack to allow you to flash your X360 drive and pirate away. This to me it tempting the beast a little too hard.
Okay now flame on regarding my post, but let's be realistic, when XBL is packed with cheaters and MS is coming after Xbox enthusiant sites for chipping away at their bread and butter don't be shocked.
People like this make you wonder sometimes. I usually do not post because I like to simply read what others are saying. I think it is about that time for me to chime in a little. If you think that modifying your original Xbox for linux would be okay with MS, then why don't you call up Bill and give him your personal information and say "Hey Bill, by the way I installed a modchip in my Xbox and I just thought you would like to know that!!" Regardless if you are only using it for Linux, etc you are still breaking the law as your a$$ would get in deep sh!t. The whole scene evolves around piracy regardless of how you want to sugar-coat it. Is this the way you make yourself feel better about doing something that is illegal? I guess people like you are the type that would justify breaking in a bank be you didn't have any money.
Will this decrease profits for MS, probably, but who cares. They are zillionaires and we a poor bastards. Taking a few dollars out of their pockets won't do anything. Taking $59 out of our pockets may be the difference between eating and not eating. (I sure no one would buy a game over eating, just wanted to make a point).
Post by: Muzzakus on March 22, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
Anyway I have no evidence of this and I purely speculate, but I think a balance of piracy and legitimate use is something that helps a company profit. For every illegitimate user, a legitimate user may sprout. One factor in the perceived popularity of a console is how big the user base is. It's a snowball effect which pulls in both sides of the fence.
Did Sony not make a killing with PS1, PS2 and m$ with original XBOX. All prone to piracy - yet all very successful. It's almost formulaic.
If this crack in itself boosts m$'s console sales by a certain margin - this can be used as a promotional tool claiming a bigger user base. When mom and dad come to buying a Christmas present sometime in the future - they will invest in something that they know is popular and feel comfortable with their purchase decision.
Besides, if this crack is to have a legitimate purpose it would be to allow imports of games. I presume region spoofing is also part of all this ?
I also believe this opens up further avenues for executing homebrew code by providing the entrepreneurs a starting point to breech the box’s internal security by modifying game content.
L8tr,
Muzza
This post has been edited by Muzzakus: Mar 23 2006, 06:31 AM
Post by: smokyjoe on March 22, 2006, 11:04:00 PM
QUOTE(Muzzakus @ Mar 23 2006, 03:57 PM)
Did Sony not make a killing with PS1, PS2 and m$ with original XBOX. All prone to piracy - yet all very successful. It's almost formulaic.
Actually, I believe M$ lost money on the original XBOX: "MS garnered the praise and devotion of many joypad jockeys with its first game system, selling more than 22 million Xbox consoles since its release in 2001. But the company has also lost more than $2 billion in its attempts to establish a foothold in the industry and compete with market leader Sony, which has sold more than 200 million of its PlayStation consoles in the past decade." http://www.theage.co...ge#contentSwap1
Although from what I understand the reason for this is a little trivial. M$, in their infinite wisdom, got other companies to develop the hardware, and then set prices in contract. Generally consoles are sold at a loss to begin with, to encourage sales, and they hope to make up the money on games. As time goes on, development methods get cheaper, parts get cheaper, and efficiencies are discovered, resulting in a cheaper manufacturing cost. Unfortunately for m$, their prices were in contract, so they continue to lose money on xbox1 consoles. Especially as so many people buy them simply because of the hacks that exist. I for one am guilty of taking money from m$. I have never purchased an xbox game, but I dont play games. I bought the xbox solely for xbmc. They weren't as silly this time around. They co-developed the technology, and licence it to their partners. So as development costs decrease, m$ losses on hardware will decrease, and eventually turn to profit.
The above comments, except the quote, are my own understanding. They are not necessarily accurate. I dont pretend to be an expert. Correct me if I'm wrong.