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[SlammedNiss]

QUOTE(ShornYeti @ Mar 18 2006, 01:42 PM)

Maybe, if they've changed their policy - it used to be the case that if you were a hacker they had nothing to do with you. The thing with code is that its very difficult to determine whether someone with a dubious background (e.g. a hacker) hasn't put some sort of backdoor in.

The Xbox business model is interesting for MS - in a way they aren't that much of a software publisher (certainly not as much as Sony are for example). Only software publishers care about backups being run. Of course they will support a secure system because it means they sell more content, which means you get more killer apps and MS sells more consoles...

I still don't understand why MS have hobbled the Media Center functionality to exclude formats like xVid and DivX, a huge missed opportunity to own the (growing) media center market. As it is, that market is still owned by their hacked and expensive (for MS - they make a loss on every box) Xbox 1...

I can definately see your point. It would take a lot of balls to walk into MS HQ and say, "Hey, I need to talk to somebody about Xbox 360 security."

I would imagine they don't want to run xvid or avi, simply because it isn't wmv.

[Mega_mil]

I don't get why people are so amped up.  I guess some people didn't read the WHOLE article.  You need special machines to flash the ROM chip and then you have to open your xbox to get the drive.  Take the drive apart and desolder the rom chip.  Are you willing to risk that just to play some backup games.  Would probably end up ruining that 360.  I think people need to read that whole article.  It's not just a simple 360 to PC swap and flash.  It's pretty tedious and requires that you know some assembly.

[Diablohead]

QUOTE(ZakMcRofl @ Mar 18 2006, 07:34 PM)

Ok lets explain it one more time:
You can't modify the XBE (executeable) which contains the code itself.
You can however modify every other file on the disc, unless the XBE makes a check on that file.

So you could modify videos, textures, sound files, maps, tracks, you name it. You could make custom content, put in your own music and so on.

But you're right about the cheating, it wouldn't be a big issue IMHO. Mainly because the code itself would still be protected and also because a game developer could easily check data files for authenticity (MD5 checksum or at least check for correct size) from the XBE.

That makes alot of sence, thanks for the summery (again)

[Questioner]

QUOTE(Mega_mil @ Mar 18 2006, 07:56 PM)

I don't get why people are so amped up.  I guess some people didn't read the WHOLE article.  You need special machines to flash the ROM chip and then you have to open your xbox to get the drive.  Take the drive apart and desolder the rom chip.  Are you willing to risk that just to play some backup games.  Would probably end up ruining that 360.  I think people need to read that whole article.  It's not just a simple 360 to PC swap and flash.  It's pretty tedious and requires that you know some assembly.

I guess you didn't see the part where the specialist knows there is already a software process in development to flash the drive.

But in any case, people will be more than willing to pay for premodded 360s with this hack or send theirs in for modding. It's not really any more complicated than an 80 wire modchip install.

This post has been edited by Questioner: Mar 18 2006, 09:30 PM

[G0t M4xx 21]

hmm i remember them old 29wire modchips for the Xbox 1, but 80???

I havent popped open my 360 dvd drive in a while, but if memory serves me right, the flash chip is around 30-40 pins. Desolder, stick into programmer, relfash, and solder back into drive. (or software based flasher may be released like for the Sammy 616T or the 8163b)

This post has been edited by G0t M4xx 21: Mar 18 2006, 09:35 PM

[MeanMF]

QUOTE(ZakMcRofl @ Mar 18 2006, 08:34 PM)

Mainly because the code itself would still be protected and also because a game developer could easily check data files for authenticity (MD5 checksum or at least check for correct size) from the XBE.

They could, but they generally don't...

[Gmc]

I dont believe this...why is everybody so excited?

I'll never believe somethings been hacked unless we see it released...how many fake vids did we see before, before xbox was cracked?

Plus...he doesnt show the -entire- video cable at all once in the video - seriously, go ave a look, you never see the entire left side of the cable, where there could full well be another 360 plugged in.

I donno eh, plus its only playing copied games anyway...an no-one here should be interested in that

[Gman22]

QUOTE(SlammedNiss @ Mar 18 2006, 01:31 PM)

Perhaps, but consider MS's stance. Do you really think they want the gemeral public to know that you will be able to run backup's? It's already proven that they lose money on every console made. So, if Joe Public runs out and buys a 360, with the only intentions of playing backups, MS will lose millions in the long run. They'd be better off, hiring a person, such as the Specialist, to help better design security on their systems.

You claim that MS will lose millions.  How?  From all the games that the pirates weren't going to buy anyways?

Just like the music industry, they blame crappy sales on piracy, when in fact it has nothing to do with piracy.  It's because it was a crappy album that just flat out didn't sell.

And no, I do not support piracy.

Nice job TheSpecialist and your team.

Gman22

This post has been edited by Gman22: Mar 18 2006, 09:36 PM

[adamscybot]

What are poeples thoughts regardin xbox live?

Surely, a DVD firmware check will be put in place (probably a cheksum) and you will be banned.

I bet you could connect 2 DVD drives toy uor 360 (one hacked one not) and hacve a switch on it. Interesting...

Adam

[Questioner]

QUOTE(Gmc @ Mar 18 2006, 08:05 PM)

I dont believe this...why is everybody so excited?

I'll never believe somethings been hacked unless we see it released...how many fake vids did we see before, before xbox was cracked?

Plus...he doesnt show the -entire- video cable at all once in the video - seriously, go ave a look, you never see the entire left side of the cable, where there could full well be another 360 plugged in.

I donno eh, plus its only playing copied games anyway...an no-one here should be interested in that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Ugggg, please look back in this thread for the numerous explanations as to why this is different from any past fake mod.

[BlueCop]

hehehehe.

they mentioned my nick on xbox-scene news page. i feel soo special.

peace.

[X-Clusion]

Don't believe this either...
OK the team is known for their hacking skillz but it's almmost an exact copy of any backup playing using the hotswap method so... I'll believe it when I see a tv + 360, the 360 gets booted, the backup gets inserted and it's playing...

[BlueCop]

X-Clusion: watch closer. no hot swaping. they put the disc in and then turn the console on.

[X-Clusion]

Oepz Damn, didn't see that was more focused on the dvd+laser movement
Thx anyway for clearing that up
I'm a believer now

But to complicated to go and do this yourself(Atleast for the general people... Like Me)

[adamscybot]

QUOTE(BlueCop @ Mar 18 2006, 10:14 PM)

X-Clusion: watch closer. no hot swaping. they put the disc in and then turn the console on.

very much correct. I definetly beleive it.

Adam