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[TheLos]

Damn. People are making a huge deal out of this. This is  pu$$y $hit if you ask me; I mean, I already hacked the PS3 like 2 months ago. Oh ya, and did i forget to mention that I did it with my teeth because my hands were tied behind my back?  

[throwingks]

[G0t M4xx 21]

Isn't it ironic though that piracy is a much bigger threat to M$ than homebrew, and, although the strong security in the kernel side of things will surely prevent homebrew for a while, they left the door wide open for their worst enemy?

Stupid, Stupid M$. they will never learn.

And yeah, I'm sure this will be released soon. However, I hope that it will be a very difficult process to limit the number of n00bs and cheaters on Live. I would NOT want so see a software based flasher so all you have to do is plug the dvd drive into your PC and hit a button to reflash. I would much rather have it require desoldering the flash from the dvd drive and placing it in a programmer to read the 16 byte encription key then reflash, which is what is being done currently (notice the board on the side of the drive in the video). Not only would this keep more idiots from screwing up their 360 (the sheer difficulty of the mod would scare em away), but it could be a business opportunity for some of the more skilled modders around here  

[Questioner]

Some people are just clueless. Could this be a fake? Sure, but the chances are far less than all previous videos. This story has several things all others don't:

1. The hack was at least partially researched and developed on the xboxhacker forums, you can find many lines of code there and technical progress made day by day. A video or website requires much less effort than all of this programming, a lot to go through by many people just for a scam.

2. The hack was developed by several people with a history of being legitimate hackers who are not out simply to joke with people or scam them.

3. Xbox-scene has posted it as news info, has not locked threads about it, and believes it is legitimate.

[ZakMcRofl]

QUOTE(Dominader786 @ Mar 18 2006, 07:53 PM)

Just curious, when TheSpecialist cracked the firmware for the original xbox, did it finally get released to the public yet?  It seems like it wasn't a huge priority since modchips and softmods were already out.  However, with the 360, this is the first groundbeaking achievement, so the timeframe may be different on how fast it gets released to the public.

Props to TheSpecialist for his achievement, and for his realization that publicly releasing can get him in extreme trouble by M$.

The original Xbox firmware hack hasn't been released or recreated yet but its totally different from this.
There are many easy ways to launch legal backups on Xbox, so making such a firmware would only have one benefit in comparison:
-you can play backups on live

On 360 OTOH it would:
-allow for new game data exploits to be found
-be the first method to make legal backups
-also allow you to play on Live with a backup

So the makers of this hack have weighted the first two points against the danger of Live enabled copies and decided its not worth it. But as it has been pointed out before, there's lots of skilled coders out there and we only need one who thinks otherwise and there may very well be a public solution soon.


EDIT:
How about we make a joined fund and whoever releases this to the public get the money ;-) Like the 13000$ that some guy got for presenting a OSX/XP dual boot solution. I'm sure at some point one of the team members will cave  
(just kidding, that would be evil)

[Avenger 2.0]

There goes MS big Xbox 360 security...

[.:Dino:.]

you know what i would do if i hacked the 360 first.
i wouldnt tell ANYONE
then take an xbox 360 to ms and show them it booting a backed up game.
Then say, bill old friend, how much you willing to pay for me to show you.
 

[Greyfoxwolf]

[excuse my engrish]

props for hacking it BUT
jeez, what a load of bs.
"look we have hacked it, but we will not release it"

This nothing more than gloating, only 8 year old kids do this. If you are so afraid of prosecution or if you are a noble knight of ethics then dont show it to the public, hack what you want to hack and keep it to yourselve(s).
Because you will gain NOTHING but only a few wow's, some oooh's and a grrrr.
If i was M$ i would be fscking pissed off, i would wait untill one (or more) of the team members makes a mistake and pounce on him/her like a facehugger in Alien, just for the fun of serving a cold dish of sweet revenge.

PS:
from all the Warez/hack groups i have seen rise and fall, the ones who never seeked recignition are still at large. Everyone can tell you that wanting recignition/credits for an illegal act is just....wel...stupid. Fame will get you somewhere but notority wil only get you deeper into shit.


But, hey i could be wrong, they could be planning a "leak", though that would be pretty stupid if not done VERY coutiously.

[VOlition]

Nice the xbox 360 is hacked, but, do you really need to open the 360 like in the video. If so, I am not horribly interested then and wait for a *real* modchip.

[deakphreak]

QUOTE(Avenger 2.0 @ Mar 18 2006, 08:10 PM)

There goes MS big Xbox 360 security...

The system is still secure, only the dvd drive firmware was hacked.

[CrazyCowPie]

If this indeed is real (just like the original Xbox DVD FW hacked), then the genie is out of the bottle.  Eventually the FW hacked will be on the net.  There is no way of keeping this locked tightly.  Just be patience and the info will surface. IMHO

[rasstar]

QUOTE(ZakMcRofl @ Mar 18 2006, 08:07 PM)

The original Xbox firmware hack hasn't been released or recreated yet but its totally different from this.
There are many easy ways to launch legal backups on Xbox, so making such a firmware would only have one benefit in comparison:
-you can play backups on live

On 360 OTOH it would:
-allow for new game data exploits to be found
-be the first method to make legal backups
-also allow you to play on Live with a backup

So the makers of this hack have weighted the first two points against the danger of Live enabled copies and decided its not worth it. But as it has been pointed out before, there's lots of skilled coders out there and we only need one who thinks otherwise and there may very well be a public solution soon.
EDIT:
How about we make a joined fund and whoever releases this to the public get the money ;-) Like the 13000$ that some guy got for presenting a OSX/XP dual boot solution. I'm sure at some point one of the team members will cave  
(just kidding, that would be evil)

They already said it would be easy for MS to detect.

[JohnnyVegas]

I'm a little torn on this release sh*t...

In the end I have to say LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY. Release it. It's MSs problem, not ours. MS attempts to protect there equiptment in the wild, it was hacked. So what.

It's our 360's and in the end I trully feel we can do with it what we want. Sounds to me like big brother has gottin into the heads of the scene.

It's not like the people able to do this control the destiny of the video game industry. I haven't seen my local game stores shut down or fuc*in Walmart have every title instock even though you could modify your PS2, GC and XBOX.

Last I saw Blockbuster and Hollywood video are still running strong and stocks on the way up even though people can copy movies MUCH easier then games.

Keep running scared and don't stand up for your consumer rights.

Rant over

[Questioner]

QUOTE(deakphreak @ Mar 18 2006, 07:16 PM)

The system is still secure, only the dvd drive firmware was hacked.

Secure my arse, the dvd and its firmware is not part of the 360 system? The fact is MS, whether foolish or not, believed they could stop people from playing pirated copies or backups. They failed once again.

This post has been edited by Questioner: Mar 18 2006, 08:48 PM

[SlammedNiss]

QUOTE(.:Dino:. @ Mar 18 2006, 01:11 PM)

you know what i would do if i hacked the 360 first.
i wouldnt tell ANYONE
then take an xbox 360 to ms and show them it booting a backed up game.
Then say, bill old friend, how much you willing to pay for me to show you.
 

That, would be the best thing the specialist could have done.

Also, to these people who say the video is a fake. Seriously, there is no pleasing you people.

"Pan around to the back of the tv to show there isn't another 360 plugged into the back."

When the icemod dipshits were will trying to fake people, it was relatively logical to see they weren't showing every detail. This video shows a DVDR, spinning in a 360, with the wires clearly plugged into a tv. I can see it now, if they had indeed showed the backside of the tv, with no wires plugged into it, somebody would be like, "he changed out all the insides of the tv with another one, and it's getting it's signal wirelessly"

C'mon people, quit yer bitchin'. If you're so pissed he ain't gonna release it, which I wouldn't either, f'n do it your damn self.

QUOTE(VOlition @ Mar 18 2006, 01:14 PM)

Nice the xbox 360 is hacked, but, do you really need to open the 360 like in the video. If so, I am not horribly interested then and wait for a *real* modchip.

With a modchip, you'll still have to open the 360 up. I would imagine the reason the 360 in the video is open the way it is, is to show the dvdr game booting in the player.