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smileboot

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« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2006, 10:53:00 PM »

To be honest screw both of em and wait for the blue ray/hddvd combo drives to arise and then it wont matter just like  + or - dvd dosent matter now
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« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2006, 11:41:00 PM »

I vote for the one without HDCP... oh wait, that's neither.

I'm surprised that no one has explicitely mentioned that probably half of the HDTVs in homes won't be able to play either format in HD because they lack a DVI/HDMI port for the HDCP encryption.

This is also a huge problem since no graphics card on the market supports it for the PC and no monitor other than the 30" Dell that just came out has HDCP support.  I don't know if graphics cards will have updated drivers to support HDCP, but you'll definately need a new monitor, and they will have to redesign laptops as well.

Also, I really don't care about HD-DVD having a lesser DRM, since streaming, etc, will probably only work in Windows Media Center.
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« Reply #62 on: January 17, 2006, 12:40:00 AM »

QUOTE(smileboot @ Jan 17 2006, 01:00 AM) View Post

To be honest screw both of em and wait for the blue ray/hddvd combo drives to arise and then it wont matter just like  + or - dvd dosent matter now


There won't be many (if any) Blu-Ray/HD-DVD hybrid readers/writers because of the heavy licensing limitations set by Sony vs Toshiba, etc. So no, one format will have to win, but I think if HD-DVD ends up being the "Winner", Sony won't back down for years to come (much like the Sony MemoryStick, whilst everyone else is using SD, MMC, and other Flash memory). Eventually, Blu-Ray will fail though.
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A.Z.BEST

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« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2006, 06:56:00 AM »

The cheaper and easier to crack will win.

I say HD-DVD will be the one.

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"gay-ray" lol!
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« Reply #64 on: January 17, 2006, 12:46:00 PM »

Yo Mr. Disco Gee, answer me this.

Do you have even 3 DVD-9's on your shelf right now? I'll take a guess that you don't. Want to know why you don't? Because they cost about $40 for a 3-5 pack. And those have been out for quite a while. So when you get his 54gb or 200gb disc in your hands you let me know.

As for 80 percent of the market yes. Do most people out there that play games, not us, just average gamers really have a clue what all this great hardware can do? Will any of those gamers actually utilise any of this great technology in this $500 machine? Yeah some will, but you average Joe sure was hell won't on his 19 inch standard definition TV in his dorm room.

Want to know what the biggest game to date is? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's Everquest & Everquest 2. Those weigh in at about 12gb? Go ahead and pay for your 54gb disc, with the 35-40gb of dummy files.

"Groups representing the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD--both of which are blue laser formats aiming to become the technology to replace DVD--made their announcements at the Consumer Electronics Show here. Both formats offer storage capacities of about 10 times what the DVD format can hold. A DVD disc can store about 4.7GB of data on a single side, while Blu-ray Disc can hold up to 50GB and HD DVD can hold 30GB.
The Blu-ray Disc Association introduced game publishers Electronics Arts and Vivendi Universal Games, along with tech companies Sun Microsystems and Texas Instruments, as the newest members of their group. The companies will support the development, promotion and marketing of the Blu-ray Disc format.
Executive from the game publishers noted that the high storage capacity of Blu-ray Disc was important for them as they look to high-definition game development.
"Gaming is a multibillion-dollar business that is largely being ignored by HD DVD," said Richard Doherty, director of professional AV for Panasonic Hollywood Laboratory.
Blu-ray Disc supporters plan to include interactive features and game capabilities to discs that hold high-definition movies.
Blu-ray recorders and discs are expected in early 2006. Other companies in the Blu-ray Disc Association include Sony, Hewlett-Packard and Dell, among others.
Toshiba, NEC and Sanyo are among the leading electronics makers backing the HD DVD format.
Toshiba said at CES earlier this week that HD DVD recorders and notebook drives would be available in the fourth quarter.
HD DVD entertainment partners stood up to support the HD DVD format Thursday and announced movie and TV series titles that would be available on HD DVD discs by the end of the year. Paramount Home Entertainment, Warner Home Video, Universal Studios Home Entertainment, HBO and New Line Cinema said that about 100 titles, including the "Harry Potter" movies, the "Batman," "Superman," "E.R.," "The West Wing" and "The Sopranos" franchises, would be available on HD DVD discs.
"The real-world benefits (of HD DVD) are apparent and obvious," said Jim Cardwell, president of Warner Home Video. Cardwell added that rapid time-to-market and dependability were significant factors in choosing to go with HD DVD.
HD DVD is based on technology similar to that of DVD, which can reduce the time and cost of manufacturing discs and recorders, according to HD DVD supporters.
Studio supporters of Blu-ray Disc include Walt Disney Pictures and Television and the entertainment properties of Sony. "



As for this format war, Blu-Ray will ultimately fail. Want to know why? These PS3 gamers won't be able to keep their $500 consoles from overheating.
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« Reply #65 on: January 17, 2006, 12:52:00 PM »

HD-DVD.

HD-DVD players are expected to be about half the price of BLU Ray players (at launch).

Unless BLU Ray players get less expensive, im confident that HD-DVD will win.

But then again, the porn industry may choose to support BLU Ray. They decided the VHS and Betamax war. Why not this one? Its definitly grown since then.
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« Reply #66 on: January 17, 2006, 01:34:00 PM »

I think both will fail, im holding out with DVD-9's and normal DVD's atm (im a movie editor and computer programmer) and waiting holographic discs (i dont watch movies so idk what wins really) come on Holographic discs have like 2.2-2.4 times the capicity of my current set of HDD's (which atm is 3 500GB HDD's = total of 1.5TB) and that means i can make total system back up and wipe my HDD clean and start again safe in the knowledge that i can get at ALL the data of my previous system
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« Reply #67 on: January 17, 2006, 03:08:00 PM »

VCD!! all the way
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« Reply #68 on: January 17, 2006, 03:50:00 PM »

I dont know too much about the technical aspects of each but I suppose they could both win - each could end up making drives that would support either one.  They are both using the same wavelength for the laser . . .

kind of like the DVD+r DVD-r thing.  Neither really one or loss.  The products just got to the point where it did not matter.
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« Reply #69 on: January 17, 2006, 04:49:00 PM »

HD-DVD wil win.

SONY is whining about hybrid BR/HD players from other manufacturers and stopped the production of that.
That's reason enough for me that HD wil win, who wants to buy 2 different drives?  blink.gif
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« Reply #70 on: January 17, 2006, 06:08:00 PM »

The thing most of you don't realise is that this isn't a Sony Vs M$.

Sony is just one of the Dozens of major manufacturers and also the majority of Film Industry that are supporting the Blu-Ray format.

M$ and a few others are supporting HD-DVD

The whole Beta Vs VHS wasn't a format war but one of Manufacturers having to pay Sony to use the Beta format so JVC made VHS so they didn't have to pay Sony, and then the other manufacturers also went with VHS as it was either free or a lot cheaper to License ? even though the actual VHS players were a lot more expensive to buy as salesman with there usual lack of Tech skills lied through there teeth to uninformed consumers about how VHS was so much better then Beta.

Yes people always keep saying over the years we won't need that much room, I remember a very clever man named Bill Gates stating very loudly that we would never need more then 640K of memory in a computer.  tongue.gif

I don't know about you but all BIAS aside I will go for the one that Pioneer or Yamaha support as they have been my main sound system manufacturers over the years.

Also only being Digital is no probs as how many of you out there use a convertor of some sort to connect analog to digital or vice a versa smile.gif  Plus we are all supposed to be in the Digital age now , yes the new HD TV's are a little expensive but so were the old Colour TV's when they first came out as is all new Technology at first.

Lastly Blu-Ray will play back all your old low quality DVD's, will be like playing the original Quake compared to Quake 4. wink.gif
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« Reply #71 on: January 17, 2006, 06:27:00 PM »

actually this is about sony.  Sony is just not one of the many manufacturers, sony is the company who invested in IBM to develop blu ray.  You think manufacturing companies dont have to pay sony to develop a blu ray device?  think again.

"Also only being Digital is no probs as how many of you out there use a convertor of some sort to connect analog to digital"

converts cannot be used to convert HDMI or DVI to Component inputs.  There are alot of HD tv's out there that people just bought a couple years ago that dont have HDMI or DVI.  Its going to be tough to convince those who bought one of those HD tv's, and plan to make it last for the next 15 years (which is nothing unheard of), to buy an even newer one to get HD movies, since there current tv supports HD, but the copy protection behind the player doesnt allow them to watch something in HD.  Sorry this really bothers me that the movie industry is causing this to happen, like with the upconverting dvd players.  Many HD dont have dvi or HDMI, yet they limit the HD on components, due to there copy protection fears.  Which like the music industry, they have yet to report an actual loss due to pirates.  Its all theoretical.  They blame pirates for low movie attendence, I blame the quality of movies they release.

Thats great that the blu ray can play old dvd's, but what about those people who dont have a hd player, but plan to buy one in say a year.  They could just buy HD DVD's, watch the movie in SD until they get a HD dvd palyer, but with blu ray the only real option is to eitehr buy it in SD, and then re buy it in HD if they want an HD copy.
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Gardum

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« Reply #72 on: January 17, 2006, 07:16:00 PM »

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell, Inc.
Hewlett-Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
TDK Corporation
Thomson
20th Century Fox
Walt Disney Company
Warner Bros. Entertainment In

Sony, by appointment by the above Blu-ray Disc Association Board of Directors as the Blu-ray Disc License Entity is responsible for Blu-ray Disc Information Agreement (IA) and Blu-ray Disc License Agreement
Sony Doesn't get paid for the Licensing the Blu-Ray Disc Association does, it's good to get facts from Licensing sites and documentation smile.gif http://www.blu-raydi...A050802form.pdf

Yes it's very emotional when you favour one company over another but please keep to the facts ?

Blu-Ray also has all the same play back capabilities of the HD-DVD not just MPEG-2 as some have mis quoted here.
Also I am sorry to say but you won't need a new TV to play Blu-Ray sad.gif yes it won't look as good as it would on a new HD-TV, but you see as the PS3 has an Analog out so it can connect to a normal TV and also all the information that is available from the manufacturers web sites their players will also have SVHS out and depending on the manufacturer the rest of the crowd of ways you can connect a typical DVD player to your TV now !

So please keep to the facts and not just hear say both formats will be a big improvement over standard DVD's and which wins will be upto who buys which.

Also with more than 170 member companies from all over the world supporting Blu-Ray I don't think it will fail so easily smile.gif
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« Reply #73 on: January 17, 2006, 07:48:00 PM »

"MS, Intel confirm support for HD-DVD format
 Ellie Gibson 15:48 27/09/2005
Hopes of a unified format dwindle yet further as technology giants side with Toshiba

Intel and MS have announced their support for the HD-DVD format, citing its "unique advantages" over Blu-Ray such as affordability and an earlier estimated launch date.

"After looking at the core advantages to the PC ecosystem and how it would benefit the consumer, it is clear that HD-DVD offers the highest quality, and is the most affordable and highly flexible solution available," said MS's Blair Westlake.

Intel technology officer Brendan Traw added: "Intel has determined that HD DVD best meets the needs of consumers and the requirements for the respective consumer electronics, computer and entertainment industries for delivering a high-definition, interactive experience to the home."

Up until now, both Intel and MS have officially remained neutral in the HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray battle, declining to take part in the negotiations between Sony and Toshiba over a possible unified format. The fact that they have finally picked a side suggests that any remaining glimmer of hope has now disappeared.

It's no great surprise that MS has joined the HD-DVD camp - just last month, the Redwood giant was rumoured to be considering incorporating HD-DVD technology into future versions of the Xbox 360.

Other companies who have already announced their support for the format include NEC, Sanyo and Hitachi, along with movie studios Universal, Warner Bros. and Paramount."



http://www.gamesindu...e=pub&aid=11829


warner brothers supports hd dvd... and warner brothers own's like everything MS doesn't... so yeah hd dvd is going to come out on top....
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« Reply #74 on: January 18, 2006, 07:26:00 AM »

Considering you can fit 1080i content onto a single-layer DVD its fairly obvious its all about DRM with the extra space as an excuse.

How many extras on DVDs look VHS quality even when they come on a second disk?  With that in mind, whats stopping them fitting a whole 1080i movie on dual-layer DVD using the rest of the space for the extras?  Extras are rarely 4GB in size now due to the low quality.  Even if they were at full 1080i there would be TONS of space.

From what I have heard of Blu-ray it SHOULD fail.  Sure its larger but I want to be able to play my movies on ANYTHING I feel like.  I have heard it said (though I do not know if its true) that Blu-ray may have to authenticate your player to ensure its using DRM correctly, and possibly even to stop you from sharing your disk library with your friends - as they will know how many players you have used the disk on etc.  Not to mention that all this talk of "oh having a thinner protective layer is soo good".  Surely that means that blu-ray disks are going to get TRASHED VERY QUICKLY!  I have seen the sorts of scratches a DVD can and DOES take (particularly rentals) and I doubt blu-ray could handle it, even HD-DVD would struggle but at least you have some leeway as the larger the protective layer the more you can polish out the scratches before the disk becomes unusable.

For those reasons I hope HD-DVD wins out.  Sony have been very good over the past years of making optical media (or drives) that are totally unreliable and what I read about blu-ray just sounds like it has so many points of failure its terrifying.  I have seen how people treat game disks and blu-ray just isnt durable enough to take it - I can see PS3s failing to boot 90% of the time.  Playstation has a lot of kids/teens who do not treat their games with respect so with such a fragile format will quickly end up with a ruined games collection.  Thats the sort of thing that will win the format war -  durability and as was said before, how restrictive the DRM will be.  Not to mention which comes to market first!
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