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You do know that the Bible is a collection of books that was not assembled until the late 1400's? The book of revelations is one of the many epistles (books) written by apostles. This one was written by John, and was not even the last epistle written chronologically. John was referring only to the book of revelations, not the bible as a whole; it was not even compiled at the time. And besides, i have read the Book of Mormon, and doctrinally it doesn't contradict or add to the bible in any way. |
Foehammer...
If you believe that, you are quite wrong. The Council of Nicea in 325 AD was the official time that the canon (all 66 books of the Bible that modern day protestant use) was set. It was not set 1400 ad. You should read up on the council of Nicea.
And, I don't want to sound like a jerk, but if this "thorough study" that you have done on the LDS faith is as "thorough" as what you said just brought up, how do you really believe what you do?
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He (jesusfreak) doesn't believe that the Mormons or the Jehovah Witnesses are Christians, because neither believe in the trinity; that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all the same personage. It's rather quite funny that his definition of a Christian is based on a bunch of man made rules and interpretation of the Bible of what a Christian is. I consider a Christian to be anyone who believes in Christ, that He is the literal Son of God, and follows His teaching through word and DEED. |
I find it ironic that both JWs and Mormons believe nearly the same on this...
I don't disagree with you that a Christian follows God's teachings throught word and DEED....but I don't think you need your deeds to get you into heaven (or the third level of it as Mormons believe).
Foehammer, I find it interesting that you are popping up here again, when I sat down with my friend for about 45 minutes and typed you out a post rebuking with sources and facts what you had been writing earlier....
You completely failed to answer any of it. What's the deal? I really don't feel like you could dispute what I said, considering every single thing was based on what Mormons they themselves believe. Why did you leave?
Anyway, this next part can apply to Mormons and JWs alike....
Remember when I asked you guys earlier if "Jehovah performed the greatest act of love"?
Remember your responses?:
"YES he has. John 3:16 For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. If thats not the greatest act of love, than I dont know what is.
This is the same thing Abraham did. Abraham was going sacrifice his son to Jehovah. Jehovah spared Isaac, but this showed the greatest act of love. The very same thing God did for us, sacrificed his Son so that we may have a hope of living for ever."
"Of course, Jehovah (God) let his son (his first creation) come to earth as human, and die a horrible death. The fact that Jehovah let his son, a perfect spirit being, die for us, is the absolute meaning of love. We didn't deserve that. But, Jehovah loves us so much, that he let son die for us. I know I repeated myself, I just wanted to emphasize that."
Is really that really the ultimate act of love? Christ says, "No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends." - John 15:13
Notice, this is from the NWT!
According to Jesus, the greatest act of love is to give up your life, or your soul, for your friends....
Remember, the Bible says, "God is love"...
"And we ourselves have come to know and have believed the love that God has in our case. God is love, and he that remains in love remains in union with God and God remains in union with him." - 1 John 4:16 (again NWT)
So think about this. Christ told us that the greatest act of love was to give up our lives for our friends....and he did so. According to both JW and Mormon theology, God did not give up his life for his friends....Jesus did.
Has Jesus outdone God? Has Jesus actually performed the greatest act of love?
See, if Jesus is God...as I do believe, he has performed the greatest act of love for me. God has died for me...
But if Jesus isn't God, and is merely the first created one, as you do claim, then God hasn't performed the greatest act of love, but he has been outdone by his firstborn creation.
Is God love, or is he not?
In the LOVE of Christ....jesusphreak