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big ben bullet

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What Is Bad About A Softmod
« on: December 16, 2004, 03:01:00 AM »
- no replacement for bios loading screen
- no booting from unlocked hard drives

i can live with both ;-)
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theinsanitytest

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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2004, 04:24:00 AM »
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If these are really the only 2 things that are bad about a softmod...then it must be rumors that are spread from the mod chip people to make it seem like a softmod is bad, because its a lot easier, and a lot safer then installing a mod chip.


thats exactly it

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Ichiro.nl

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2004, 06:02:00 AM »
no booting from unlocked hard drives
????????????????????????????????????

You can do it, I've just built a 160 gig maxtor diamond series hard disk in my xbox and it works perfectly.  jester.gif
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JohnnyHunng

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2004, 07:07:00 AM »
It's just that some people prefer having a bios on a chip than being a software bios...u can also get outta jams a lot easier with a mod, mess up something, load slayers or something, fix it...with softmod, most of the time major errors call for messing with the hdd in a computer and using a xboxhdm disc u make....

I know i would be sick of my pc's bios was on my pc's hdd as opposed to a socketed chip on the motherboard, many things that happen to my computers, i wouldn't be able to do anything!
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chimpanzee

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2004, 10:09:00 AM »
The only true advantage of chip is that you can switch it on/off(not every chip can though) easily, good for live(before the new live banning mechanism).

Otherwise:

chip can use unlock HD, sure but locking a new one under softmod is not that hard.

chip can change the boot up logo, what purpose it serves other than "it can" ?

chip can boot DVD for rescue if you mess up with the HD, but you don't need to mess up your HD if softmod is properly installed.

chip can boot if you mess up the EEPROM, but why mess with it in the first place ?

These are things that chip can do but most in the "when you mess up category", judge yourself if you need them, I don't.

There can be many reason why people said chip is better :

1. it is a really big business(there is no $$$ involved in softmod)
2. there are people who is more comfortable with soldering iron than software.
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krayzie

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2004, 10:20:00 AM »
QUOTE (chimpanzee @ Dec 16 2004, 07:12 PM)

1. it is a really big business(there is no $$$ involved in softmod)
2. there are people who is more comfortable with soldering iron than software.

Exactly. people always talk bad about exploits cuz there is just no profit to gain in it. All the other people just follow the few "specialists" that say something bad bout exploits and repeat stuff what they "heard" somewhere. Most of the time not even being acurate or understand anything about softmods. It also doesn't help to try to convince people that exploits aren't that bad cuz most people tend to be very shallow minded. And with the new virtual c drive the gap between chip and softmod is very very small. Why in hell pay many $$$ for something that isn't nescesarry. But again most of the people do and will continue to talk bad about exploits and I don't even mind anymore.
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JohnnyHunng

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2004, 10:36:00 AM »
Lots of folks will say that the bioses that softmods utilize wouldn't even be around if it wasn't for modchips needing them in the first place...

And what about the fact that having an all software bios to rely is downright gay? Nobody wants to ever address that...i mean sure it works, but how reliably? Like i said, that would be like building ur own pc and skimping on an onboard motherboard bios just cuz u can put one on the hdd cuz it doesn't cost anything...

Support the scene, buy a mod.
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krayzie

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2004, 10:51:00 AM »
QUOTE (JohnnyHunng @ Dec 16 2004, 07:39 PM)
Lots of folks will say that the bioses that softmods utilize wouldn't even be around if it wasn't for modchips needing them in the first place...

And what about the fact that having an all software bios to rely is downright gay? Nobody wants to ever address that...i mean sure it works, but how reliably? Like i said, that would be like building ur own pc and skimping on an onboard motherboard bios just cuz u can put one on the hdd cuz it doesn't cost anything...

Support the scene, buy a mod.

I feel fine running the bios off the hd. And don't even use a bios loader since I use nkpatcher. The bios in memory is no different from a bios laded from a chip. And supporting the scene and paying money for something that isn't nescesary are two different things.
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JohnnyHunng

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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2004, 11:25:00 AM »
Well how do u support the scene without doing it financially? If u mean by making tuts and replying to posts, we're on a different plane here...I mean these developers have to make their money back after puttin a lot of money into R&D for us...it is necessary, we know technically it's not necessary to have a modchip to run unsigned code and such, but it is necessary to buy mods to keep people makin mods...if everything was all softmod or tsop it would be boring as hell and nothing new and fresh would ever develope...Trust me when xbox2 comes out u will be waiting for a modchip/hacked bios for it....That's like saying i don't want to pay car manufacturers for a car when i can walk to where i gotta go for free, sure, u ultimately get there, but what about when ur sick of walking and u want a car, yet nobody has been paying them to keep making cars, no cars and ur stuck walking...I know that's reaching for shit, but same concept...

And we know it's loaded into memory but what if ur hdd gets corrupted, then u gotta fix it in the pc correct? but with a mod u just load slayers cuz the bios is on a chip, same reason u can always repair ur pc, the bios loads from a chip not the hdd...

Krayzie are u ever in the irc channel, i would like to talk to u there sometime.
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krayzie

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2004, 11:43:00 AM »
there are many suportive people in the softmod scene that never paid a dime for a damn chip and also never asked a dime for their work. I also know a chip is easier to repair when something is wrong and also one of my xboxes is modded with a chip which I use quite often when upgrading hd's and stuff. My point remains that I don't feel like it's nescesary to pay for something that can be achieved easier, faster and cheaper. And yes I'm on IRC sometimes and I don't promote or discuss about wether softmods or chips are better there cuz like I said the majority there don't know what they talk about and are shallowminded. I mean some of them still have the clock loop argument and some have a argument that they dislike the way the linux guys threatened M$. I mean get to the point. I mod an xbox in 5 minutes without opening. I don't see how that is bad. I don't say chips are bad neither do I say tsops are bad. It are just different ways of modding your xbox and everyone must do it the way they please.
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JohnnyHunng

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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2004, 11:57:00 AM »
I'm not saying people shouldn't have the right to mod their box they way they please...I have no problem with free choice...this thread was started about "what makes a softmod bad" or whatever so i addressed it...U sound very defensive and pissed, not my intention...

I know a softmod can be done in 5 min, i know it's easier, faster and costless, but that doesn't make it effective in supporting the scene...my argument was about supporting the scene, and like it or not, buyin chips does help the further developement of new things...period.

Anyway, i just asked if u were in irc from time to time so i could argue, errrr talk with u there...smile.gif my name is J_Hunng over there.
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2004, 12:03:00 PM »
Well it seems my question has been answered, and its great to know that softmod is not as bad as i thought it was. I feel If you want a chip go out and buy it, if you dont want a chip just softmod, and be happy.
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krayzie

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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2004, 12:07:00 PM »
So a softmod is bad cuz you didn't contributed financially to "the scene"? That's more an ethical issue then a technical issue. Also I think the people who actually make all the stuff happen are much more valluable than the chip producers/sellers. And If you catch me on IRC sometime feel free to speak.
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krayzie

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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2004, 12:10:00 PM »
QUOTE (draken333 @ Dec 16 2004, 09:06 PM)

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JohnnyHunng

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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2004, 12:15:00 PM »
Yes it's totally an ethical issue and not a technical issue, i think i touched on that in one of my replies...And i think people should at least buy one mod, or donate to developers during their xbox hacking career...Especially the people who make tons of cash modding peoples boxes....

The ethics behing my arguement and softmod being "bad" is just that...i know it works, but i think people should want to help out a little bit....I think that's why u catch people badmouthing softmods (besides the stuff that was stated earlier) it's too "free" so to speak...Doesn't make it bad, or not work, just wrong...know what i mean? I added that part about softmods not giving back to the scene as a part of it being "bad" like the threadstarter asked becuz afterall, it being a free method of modding and nobody getting paid for it, is part of it itself.
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