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Deftech

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« on: September 15, 2005, 07:15:00 PM »
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Sep 15 2005, 09:19 PM)
Check out the link. It gives you 2X AA in 720p and 4X AA in 480p and it only runs at 30 fps. Fuck that shit.
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aepuppetmaster

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2005, 07:46:00 PM »
yeah but regardless of how it will look (which is stunning btw, no complaints here at 720p 2x and 30fps) but what happened to the free 4x? and 30fps, while not bad, is kinda low for a first wave title.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2005, 08:15:00 PM »
QUOTE(aepuppetmaster @ Sep 15 2005, 09:57 PM)
yeah but regardless of how it will look (which is stunning btw, no complaints here at 720p 2x and 30fps) but what happened to the free 4x? and 30fps, while not bad, is kinda low for a first wave title.
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Wedding-shirt

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2005, 08:20:00 PM »
QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 15 2005, 09:26 PM)
LOL
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amb7247

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2005, 08:22:00 PM »
I think the game looks great, and they still is lots of time left till they ship it.
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Deftech

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2005, 08:24:00 PM »
aepuppetmaster and kindred

as time passed, we learned the MSAA is not totally free, and depending on the game, it can be tricky. Youve got to make tradeoffs..overall graphical splendor...crank everything up, or lower the overall look which in turn raises the frame rate and so on. They cant please everyone and regardless of what others say, its not indicative of the system..its a freakin launch title that they just got final hardware for 14 days ago.

and yes with more time, pgr 3 could reach 60fps, but thats the price you pay for a launch game.

look at the difference between pgr and pgr 2, I could use 100 more examples.

people need to stop whining about launch titles(im at fault too of doing this myself so yes im an ass) and realize that in 8 months time, its gonna be a whole new ball game.

Go play Amped 2 @ 720p and tell me where the jaggies went. Now add actual 2x AA in and BOOM! sex for the eyes  love.gif

Another one gets added to the List of all Lists beerchug.gif

Its filling up fast! whos next!  laugh.gif
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Shawn_

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2005, 08:25:00 PM »
my god the game is not even out yet.

there is still at least what, a month left to make launch?

I mean honestly, most games that will be launch how much time do you give them?
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2005, 09:05:00 PM »
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Sep 15 2005, 09:46 PM)
I understand what you're saying but it's quite a change of tune isn't it? A few months ago we were all bragging about FREE 4X MSAA in ALL GAMES.
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2005, 09:30:00 PM »
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Sep 16 2005, 04:46 AM)
.... and that all X360's in Japan have a hard drive for $50 cheaper*
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thax

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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2005, 10:16:00 PM »
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Sep 16 2005, 04:46 AM)
I understand what you're saying but it's quite a change of tune isn't it? A few months ago we were all bragging about FREE 4X MSAA in ALL GAMES.
It is well known there is about a 4% performance hit for 2x and about 8% for 4x. It doesn't make sense for a game with backgrounds in extreme motion to spend the extra 4% because it will mostly be blurred anyway.

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But you mean to tell me that they can't do 4X MSAA which was FREE a few months ago AND the game will only run at 30 fps?
The performance hit has been well known since June 13th, as outlined in the Beyond 3D article. http://www.beyond3d..../index.php?p=05

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But because we're all Xbox fanboys we have to just sit tight and take our medice and not only that but we have to like it too.
It would be inaccurate to call all people here fanboys.

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... explicatives deleted ...
Please tone down the language and attacks. It is not needed to win an argument.
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KAGE360

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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2005, 11:30:00 PM »
QUOTE(Wedding-shirt @ Sep 15 2005, 10:46 PM)
I understand what you're saying but it's quite a change of tune isn't it? A few months ago we were all bragging about FREE 4X MSAA in ALL GAMES.
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Deftech

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2005, 01:11:00 AM »
QUOTE(mikeandbandit @ Sep 16 2005, 03:10 AM)
all this means is that the FRAME BUFFER is not being utilized whihc has nothing to do with the GAME ENGINE. 4x MSAA and 60Fps are free on the fram buffer and will not detrack from system ram, but if the game engine isnt running that fast to begin with then there is no way the fram buffer could change that. Anyway I cantinue to tell you guys the first wave games barely use 30% of the processing power available because of the time constaints.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2005, 07:14:00 AM »
Time constraints is holding them back, not hardware constraints. With only 10 mb edram, its quite obvious that it wasnt going to be totally FREE. Some guy from From software did say that with 720p and msaa on the 360 is 10 times more powerful than the xbox while without them on its 20 times more powerful.

Anyways, it still a huge advantage since the other system would have to take a way bigger performance hit to achieve what is possible on the 360.

m_chael said it best......
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incognegro

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2005, 08:44:00 AM »
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Ya, what the hell's up with that; MS kisses the asses of those who spit in their face.  While i understand their reason/strategy, it's still a slap in the face to those who supported and support them the most


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MS should have just gone with only the $350 premium x360 world wide


ive been saying this shit since they anounced the price...... dry.gif
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Wedding-shirt

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2005, 09:01:00 AM »
Here's a quote from gamespot about MGS4.

"We don't need to tell you that Guns of the Patriots looks utterly incredible--the screenshots certainly speak for themselves--and unlike some other PS3 games shown back at E3, we can say with confidence that enough aliasing and pixellated textures were evident in this trailer to indicate that it was running smoothly in real-time. This is pretty much one of the best-looking games we've ever seen. Whether or not this footage warrants such a grandiose statement will soon be for you to decide--it's reported that Kojima Productions will post the trailer itself on the MGS4 site at the close of TGS' first day, just a few hours from now. We await further details on this game with baited breath, and will bring them to you as soon as we have them."

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