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PhatIrishBastard

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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2006, 12:34:00 AM »

QUOTE(damam @ Jan 3 2006, 11:47 AM) View Post

I think that most racism stems from frustration of the false feeling of being trapped.  Most people i know that scape goat do so because they were told they cannot succeed because X race (or group) is somehow suppressing them.  How long will the Indians talk about how they can never recover because the white man stole there land?  Meanwhile, some indians who have already broken from their own personal prisons are doing quite well for themselves.  Similar parallels can be said for blacks, whites, hispanics, etc.  While the claims have had legitimacy in the past, their has never been more opportunity in america for all of its citizens than their is today.  
It bugs me as well however, it bugs me far far far less when my taxes take care of legal full fledged residents (ie Americans of all races, creeds, etc) then illegal aliens.


I am sure the Palestinians are caught up in a "false feeling of being trapped" ,those Abrahms Tanks and Apaches helicopters do no real harm to their physical or mental well being. Or maybe that BIG ASS WALL they are building is also a "false" figment of both of our imaginations a fucking MIRAGE.

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It bugs me as well however, it bugs me far far far less when my taxes take care of legal full fledged residents (ie Americans of all races, creeds, etc) then illegal aliens.

Tens of Billions of dollars sent to IRAQ, you dont seem to pissed about that. But its not really your money any hows.

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How long will the Indians talk about how they can never recover because the white man stole there land?

That is the icing on the cake.

P.S. You forgot about WOMEN, pussy politics should top YOUR list.
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2006, 01:06:00 AM »

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I don't know why such a comment pisses you off, they call them selves niggers all the time. If they want to be known as niggers then so be it. I find bounty more offending then nigger, but hey thats me.

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Not all blacks call themselves that.
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It may sound funny, but it's not necessarily that they use the word nigger, it's the way they use it and the conversations they use it in.

For example (excuse the language):
"Fuckin' dirty niggers ruining our school. They should go back to (city we are a suburb of with large black population)."
In a conversation like this, you can tell the person is truly pissed off at blacks for, as they put it, "Ruining the school."


I always thought they said nigga when they're talking to each other and callin each other friends basically, and when someone says nigger it's the derrogitory way.

Brings that episode of Mind of Mencia to mind where he asks everyone the difference.
Sorry if I couldn't make the most intelligent comment, but I'm not very good at debating since I skipped that in junior high and hs.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2006, 08:31:00 AM »

QUOTE(PhatIrishBastard @ Jan 3 2006, 08:41 PM) View Post

I am sure the Palestinians are caught up in a "false feeling of being trapped" ,those Abrahms Tanks and Apaches helicopters do no real harm to their physical or mental well being. Or maybe that BIG ASS WALL they are building is also a "false" figment of both of our imaginations a fucking MIRAGE.

Read more carefully - I said in america

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Tens of Billions of dollars sent to IRAQ, you dont seem to pissed about that. But its not really your money any hows.

It is my money - and there are parts of it that do bother me a little.  But illegal immigration flooding public schools and driving hospital emergency rooms out of business bothers me a lot.  

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That is the icing on the cake.

keeping people in a victim status is true suppression and in the case of most americans today it is self inflicted.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2006, 12:01:00 PM »

To address the original Question.. “What causes you to believe the things that you do/have the general opinions on a group or groups of people that you do?”

Like many/most.. I’d like to think that I’m civilized and educated enough to have the self opinion that I am not racist. However, I do know, that on occasion I easily fall into some of the classic pitfall conversations at work or with friends and nod at some of the ignorant things I hear.

A lot of it I’ll have to assume comes from near constant exposure as a child. Mom and dad were both pretty hardcore racists. Going back into my fathers bloodline, I’ve often made jokes of how his family line held stock in the White Sheet and pillow Case biz in the deep south of the states during the dark years while chatting on IRC.

It’s true though. Family has some old branches in it with some dark days tied to it.

Sorry to go off on a tangent. Anyways, my own direct exposure. Well, as a child, I too had the “typical” exposure a White kid gets when exposed to a multicultural environment for the first time.

- At the local YMCA, watching blacks get in line for free food and shoes. A lot of people that day.

- Watching people with skin far darker than mine not doing the water sports program during gym class.

- Driving to certain areas of town with the family and having mom or dad use that n word and pointing to drug deals on every corner.

- Touring the local government building and seeing immigrants lined up at the welfare offices holding their children usually.

- Getting into elevators with east Asians and thinking how different they smell, and not always in a pleasing way.

I made plenty more observations as a kid. How has it changed?

.. 20-25 years later. It hasn’t changed much. I’m more aware of the social/econo/political issues that put some people into certain situations. I’m aware of reasons why people smell different. I’m more aware of why some people are driven to commit certain crimes, and why there seems to be more people from certain background in those welfare lines now.

Recent observations.. I can still go into many of those same neighborhoods here in Toronto, North York, Weston etc and see Black people on any corner doing drug deals. I can do the same In Scarborough 20 minutes away. Same in Parkdale 10 minutes south of me. This is despite police efforts to drive the street level crime out of those areas.

The classic area.. not terribly far from me now.. Jane and Finch. A lot of nice people live there. However, it’s considered a project area. Far too many buildings (low income housing) all mashed into the area. Result.. people are practically crawling all over each other. This can’t be a good thing. People packed together like roaches. I imagine, eventually, they begin to act like roaches.

Some of this is the fault of the city planners. Some the fault of the immigration system taking in too many people too fast. Some fault though, lies with the citizens. The families. Sometimes, the lack thereof.

That area, has a disproportionate amount of single mothers. Underage single mothers usually. People can belly ache all they like how a single parent can raise a good well adjusted child. Problem is.. many of these situations have a NOT well adjusted child, usually from a broken home themselves, trying to raise a child themselves, before they even finish high school in many cases.

I’m not sure if it’s a systemic problem in the one group, or if it’s a broader problem. Young Blacks in that area, having sex with usually young black girls and getting them pregnant. Don’t get me wrong, the other cultures in that area clearly are having pre-marital sex, and doing it before they leave high school. It’s just that, you don’t see them much.

What is it about these young inner city black youth that drives them to have so much sex, and litter the city with their conquests: single women and their unwanted offspring. So many of these guys are so filled with hatred of women too. Is it because many are raised in single parent environments, where the men had proclaimed the women were sluts and whores and left them? I don’t know. Don’t really care to be honest.

That’s something else.. Toronto recently had an awful rise in High School Drop outs. What’s worse.. yes.. many (I won’t say majority as I don’t recall the figures personally..)  fell into the same cultural background. Blacks.

It’s not hard for some people to make huge leaps.. and brand a race as lazy, or stupid, or smelly, or whatever. Sometimes, it’s all we see.

Some of that, sometimes, will get carried into our adult lives. Here is where the really sad part comes in. When the same white people, don’t understand, and don’t learn why some things they see aren’t the whole picture. Why there are reasons things happen.

Some racist people are simply happy in the knowledge (ignorant as it may seem) that “blacks are lazy and don’t work, cheat on their women, and sell drugs”.

If I were to believe all that I see, hear, and read in the city of Toronto, this would be a good Summary…

Blacks, From the ages of 12-30 are unemployable, uneducated, and are more or less predetermined to commit violent crimes, usually with a gun and will fost 7 children out of wedlock before they die (usually a death that is crime/drug based)  That’s pretty nasty, but given what the press and mass media pumps us with every day, that’s the conclusion.

Clearly, that isn’t the case. Not all can fall into that mold. However, that’s the sexy stereotype the media love to project. Why, for their own reasons. Money, and ignorance, and/or a combo of both I suppose.

If someone asks me anymore if I’m racist.. I don’t even know what to tell them anymore. It used to be a lot easier for me to proclaim I’m not a racist. It used ot be easier to say my friends aren’t racist.

I’m college educated. I have a decent group of friends, covering much of the diversity of this city’s many cultures. I consider a Japanese, a Chinese, and a Jamaican as my 3 closest friends. I’m sure though, without realizing it I’ve made comments that shed some cultures in a less than flattering light. Hopefully, I didn’t do so intentionally.

Someone asked me a question once, would I have sex with a black woman. Now? No. I’m married. But, I have had sex with Asian, east Asian, and black women in the past. The follow-up to that question was “can you be a racist after having sex with someone from the culture you have a bias against?” I suppose you could. Someone far smarter than me is going to have to discuss and debate that though.

Personally.. I’m of the mindset that somewhere deep down, even the most open minded person is racist. I’m not even sure it’s worth debating if people are racist. What is more interesting, and more fascinating, is to what extremes, and why.

I do however hold dear the idea that people can have an open mind, and can work towards over-coming some of the near constant stereotypes we are bombarded with in the press, media and news.

Prejudice – Pre Judge. Nasty word. I don’t think we can ever overcome the ability to prejudge. Genetically, we have been somewhat predetermined to judge certain situations and make reflex reactions. Fight or Flight.. etc. It’s in our nature to prejudge. It’s why we are still here after all of this time. Our ability to size up a situation and make a quick decision. Shame it’ isn’t always the right one though.

I’m no hippy. I don’t think the world can ever truly be made happy and whole. We as the human race, have far to much against us.. and far too much pent up anger to forget things that should be forgotten. One of the things that makes us human I suppose is our ability to take any incident, and turn it into a reason to hate someone, their race, and/or their country for an eternity.

All I can do personally, is try not to do to my daughter what my parents did to me. I try not to use words I don’t want her repeating. I’ve already taken great efforts to expose her to children of other backgrounds, both cultural and social.  I can give her the benefit of what I have learned. My parents did their best to make me think like them. My plan, is to give my daughter the tools, respect, and education to make intelligent and informed decisions on her own and allow her to form and shape her own personality and belief system.

Hopefully..
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2006, 12:32:00 PM »

QUOTE(HSDEMONZ @ Jan 4 2006, 08:32 PM) *

- Watching people with skin far darker than mine not doing the water sports program during gym class.


I thought it was common knowledge that the brothers can't swim.







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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2006, 03:47:00 PM »

People used to refer as America as the 'melting pot' but it is not really true.  If we are going to start drawing lines between black and white, I don't think it is going to help get rid of Racism.  Let me give you a few examples.

- Affirmative Action - You know what that is.
- Black History Month - Let Morgan Freeman explain this.
- Rap Music and video games like '50 cent bulletproof'- portraying Black youths as thugs and people of violence

In any case, I think many blacks and white alike reinforcing this difference between them, thus reinforcing the issue of Race in many countries.
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2006, 04:54:00 PM »

Affirmative action I never liked. "let's mark those as different, grade them on a different scale, and give them the same job they might not have gotten had they been graded or reviewed on the same scale as others."

Black History Month.. I've never minded it. I think it should go hand in hand with Spanish month.. and other cultures though. Seems hardly fair to give one groups an entire month of focus when there are so many interesting cultures.

Rap Music.. they made their own bed. They wanted that Gangsta image and they can bear that cross so to speak. I keep thinking that games like that 50 cent one are a fad.. course.. we though that with break dancing.. than hip hop, and even rap.

I don't think people will ever stop drawing lines in the sand and showcasing their differences.
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2006, 04:25:00 PM »

QUOTE(pug_ster @ Jan 4 2006, 05:54 PM) View Post

People used to refer as America as the 'melting pot' but it is not really true.  If we are going to start drawing lines between black and white, I don't think it is going to help get rid of Racism.  Let me give you a few examples.

- Affirmative Action - You know what that is.
- Black History Month - Let Morgan Freeman explain this.
- Rap Music and video games like '50 cent bulletproof'- portraying Black youths as thugs and people of violence
In any case, I think many blacks and white alike reinforcing this difference between them, thus reinforcing the issue of Race in many countries.


In a funny sense I agree with you as much as it hurts me to admit it. Actually I was wondering what was taking you so long to chime in. Given your ARYAN VIEWS.

But I will applaud you for always finiding the one negro that somewhat agrees with you to help advance your skewed views.

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- Affirmative Action - You know what that is.
- Black History Month - Let Morgan Freeman explain this.
- Rap Music and video games like '50 cent bulletproof'- portraying Black youths as thugs and people of violence

Arnold Swarzeneggar made a career of violence sex, and illegal drugs. Let me see WWE, Ozzy Osbourne the Prince of Darkness. All sparkling examples of positive role models. Or how about that traitor Oliver North who sold guns to the infantile Taliban.

George Bush is the biggest niger that comes to mind.

ALL the things that equate to this mythical monster the NIGER
1) Not very intelligent.
2) Inarticulate
3) Liar. LIAR, and a LIAR.
4) Drunkard
5) Druggie
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Affirmative Action - You know what that is.

6) Never earned anything on his own merit. College Degree, job etc...
7) Quitter & Deserter (military)
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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2006, 04:59:00 PM »

QUOTE(HSDEMONZ @ Jan 4 2006, 06:25 PM) View Post

Affirmative action I never liked. "let's mark those as different, grade them on a different scale, and give them the same job they might not have gotten had they been graded or reviewed on the same scale as others."

Black History Month.. I've never minded it. I think it should go hand in hand with Spanish month.. and other cultures though. Seems hardly fair to give one groups an entire month of focus when there are so many interesting cultures.

Rap Music.. they made their own bed. They wanted that Gangsta image and they can bear that cross so to speak. I keep thinking that games like that 50 cent one are a fad.. course.. we though that with break dancing.. than hip hop, and even rap.

I don't think people will ever stop drawing lines in the sand and showcasing their differences.


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"let's mark those as different, grade them on a different scale, and give them the same job they might not have gotten had they been graded or reviewed on the same scale as others."

That reminds me of the New Orleans school teacher the four cops beat the shit out of. He didnt look like a thug, and he probably was closer to 60 than 50.

What you should be worried about is the day when types like 50 Cent(nigers) see that incident for what it really was.  Now that would be scary.

But back to businees..

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Rap Music.. they made their own bed. They wanted that Gangsta image and they can bear that cross so to speak. I keep thinking that games like that 50 cent one are a fad.. course.. we though that with break dancing.. than hip hop, and even rap.

This little girl went missing from a pond near where I went to school, years ago, and it turns out that the killer has sent her parents parts of the skeletal remains for the past years.

I have the distinct impression Coolio, or Jesse Jackson or whatever/whomever is the current boogie man
in the physce of popular american culture. Just reading some of the posts is hilarious.

But you hit the nail on the head, when you brought up image.

Most wanted Fugitives
Not one "niger"

FBI Most Wanted Sex Predators
Not one "niger"

Most Wanted
One "niger" a victim

Most Wanted(NOV)
Not one "niger", Better luck next month

Most Wanted(DEC)
Wheh, Finally found a vast collection of "nigers" big and small was starting to get worried.




IPB Image
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2006, 07:49:00 PM »

I originally read HSDEMONZ post in the editorial section, but as I could not comment on it there, I will here instead.



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All I can do personally, is try not to do to my daughter what my parents did to me. I try not to use words I don’t want her repeating. I’ve already taken great efforts to expose her to children of other backgrounds, both cultural and social. I can give her the benefit of what I have learned. My parents did their best to make me think like them. My plan, is to give my daughter the tools, respect, and education to make intelligent and informed decisions on her own and allow her to form and shape her own personality and belief system.

Hopefully..



Very well said. My story is very simular except here on the west coast of Canada, growing up we seldom saw black people, predominantly asians and east indians.

The other day I had something in one hand for my oldest daughter who is 7, and I asked her to pick a hand. She proceeded with the childrens descision making skill of eeny meeny. " Eeny, Meeny, Miney, Moe...catch a Tiger by the toe" I start to think to correct her...Its not Tiger... its.... well.....I smiled, and just said thats not the way I remember it, but, I like your way better. A simple childhood rhyme as a kid seems innocent, but its effects carry through into adulthood. Some things change for the better, no doubt. (Although the Barney-skewed songs generally anger me..hahahha)

Do I consider myself racist? No, but I also fall into the trap from time to time. Prejudice? possibly, its tough not to get that way as you get older. As long as we teach by example, showing respect and tolerance for others, in front of our children, they are bound to be less clones of us, and hopefully they, and their children, will be even better than we are.

As always, your editorial was a good read. Keep it up.
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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2006, 08:14:00 PM »

I am not racist but one thing that does really kinda bug me is African-Americans that act all gangsta when they clearley arent(or sometimes even are).  I have African friends so dont think that all Africans kinda annoy me, one of my favorite teachers is black, I even look forward to his class because he has stories and is nice.  I dont like when blacks dress up all gangsta, get into trouble and pull that the white man is bringing me down stuff.  I know some people are born into bad situations like being born in the "ghetto" and they have to join a gang and dress gangsta to survive.  But when you live in the suburbs and dont have it AS hard as people from the "ghetto", that when it starts to annoy me, if you dress in clothes way bigger then you would ever need and make fun of white people that alos does.  One of my friends that is African evens said he doesnt like when some black people ruin it for most when they give alot of black people a bad reputation by the way one acts.  A kid(African-American) that was my best friend in 4th grade used to be pretty much normal but when we got to middle school he changed.  Today(5 years later) I heard him say "kill whitey".  I know if the black gangstas on my bus heard me say this they would probably get beyond mad because they arent poor, alot of them live in really nice houses and have nice cars.  I feel bad for regular African-Americans that are hated and looked down apon because other Africans that get into gang wars and the news shows all blacks as bad because of gang related crime.  Does what I just put count me as racist?  I am not sure so I kinda want your opinion.  Sorry if I offended anyone by this post(I really am sorry), but I did have to get that out.  Also sorry for my use of the word "black" I just used it as another word for African-Amrican.  But becides what I just posted, no one else bothers me.
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2006, 07:50:00 PM »

no, you got it right when you said black, 'african-american' is false, pretentious bullshit... beerchug.gif
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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2006, 11:51:00 PM »

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no, you got it right when you said black, 'african-american' is false, pretentious bullshit... beerchug.gif

my grandmother works with ESL students (english as a second language) so she meets alot of immigrants from africa, she says most of them are insulted that black americans call themselves african american when they know nothing (or next to nothi9ng) of african culture

many of the people risked their lives to get out of africa and become americans, then they see all these peopel pretending to be african, they just want to tell them to go to rwanda or somalia or whatever the current war zone is and see if they still want to be african
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2006, 07:23:00 AM »

There is nowt wrong with dual  nationality.  Not every African is from rwanda or somalia, beleive it or not Africa is made up of around 50+ country's.

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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2006, 08:09:00 AM »

QUOTE(Arvarden @ Jan 6 2006, 07:54 AM) View Post

There is nowt wrong with dual  nationality.  Not every African is from rwanda or somalia, beleive it or not Africa is made up of around 50+ country's.

my point is th epeople who actually come here from africa dont like that people were born here call themselves african, but dont know anything about africa or the culture
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