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xmedia2004

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« on: September 15, 2005, 08:23:00 PM »


 Man I should have seen it coming Bechtel has been awarded the first in several
 fed. contracts in La rebuilding.  I wish I would have seen the entire Bush address
 on TV but 9/11 report was on history channel, and still learned a few things about
 the attacks.


 Any opinions Bush looking out for his "boys"?

 Would you be pissed that your local firm didnt win fed lottery?
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2005, 10:35:00 AM »

Ha Ha Ha! Fed Lottery! there is no fed lottery, it's all about who you know, and when you know the people at the top its very easy to get what you want.

This is the third controversial contract to go to Haliburton. First Afghanistan, then Iraq. It's not surprising for them to get La too. Dick Cheney will be making a big profit this year on Halliburton stock, but then again since taking office when hasn't he?
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2005, 01:39:00 PM »

then again maybe its just a good company, go ahead and name me a better company, before you start bitching about something why dont you look at what your bitching about.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2005, 02:53:00 PM »

QUOTE(reidtheweed03 @ Sep 16 2005, 09:50 PM)
then again maybe its just a good company, go ahead and name me a better company, before you start bitching about something why dont you look at what your bitching about.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2005, 04:24:00 PM »

Halliburton always stand to profit after every war or disaster.  And Bush said that there won't be any new taxes for the recovery effort in La.  I don't how will Bush will pull $200billion out from his hat since most federal programs already slashed enough...

I have to say that his speech last night was mostly BS thought it sounds very nice...
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2005, 09:16:00 AM »

QUOTE(puckSR @ Sep 17 2005, 11:58 AM)
I love this
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2005, 09:34:00 AM »

My god, what dont you wacko's understand about Haliburton being the only American company that do what they do?? What...do you want us to outsource to another nation? How will that help our economy? Best to keep the money here at home dont 'cha think? Not to mention that Cheney sold all of his stock in the company when he agreed to run with Bush for VP because he knew the kind of flack he would get from dumb asses like yourselves....so no, he doesnt get any profit from Haliburtons contract. Like puckSR said, just stick to your gaming unless you have something intelligent to say....Nimrod's!
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2005, 12:57:00 PM »

when Clinton was in office he did not even bid it out - he simply awarded it to haliburton.  How come there was no outrage then?  Atleast now their is a public bidding process that anyone can scrutinize.  The interesting part is that you never hear about that.  And why not?  The records are publicly available.  If you want us to buy into this dig a little bit past "chenney - halliburton" and provide us with some real evidence that the bid was not competitive compared to other qualified candidates.  Otherwise get some business experience and see how it all really works, and understand that so long as the bid was good and they deliver within reason I dont care.


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Yeah, your probably right about halliburton being the main profiting company, too bad they dont hire workers to do it for them, and istead employ magic economic non-entity elves to do their work.

that was great  beerchug.gif
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2005, 04:44:00 PM »

QUOTE(damam @ Sep 17 2005, 03:08 PM)
when Clinton was in office he did not even bid it out - he simply awarded it to haliburton.  How come there was no outrage then?  Atleast now their is a public bidding process that anyone can scrutinize.  The interesting part is that you never hear about that.  And why not?  The records are publicly available.  If you want us to buy into this dig a little bit past "chenney - halliburton" and provide us with some real evidence that the bid was not competitive compared to other qualified candidates.  Otherwise get some business experience and see how it all really works, and understand that so long as the bid was good and they deliver within reason I dont care.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2005, 12:24:00 AM »

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Hmm, im sorry, what New Orleans company is going to be capable of managing a multibillion dollar construction project?


Durr Heavy Construction, LLC
817 Hickory Avenue
Harahan, LA 70123

Richlyn Construction, Inc.
21449-8 Marion Lane
Mandeville, LA 70471
985-871-8990

LAGC HEADQUARTERS
666 North Street
Baton Rouge, LA 70802
PH 225-344-0432

To name a few of top 100 US consturuction firms that happen to be in La.
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xmedia2004

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2005, 12:47:00 AM »

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when Clinton was in office he did not even bid it out - he simply awarded it to haliburton. How come there was no outrage then? Atleast now their is a public bidding process that anyone can scrutinize. The interesting part is that you never hear about that. And why not? The records are publicly available. If you want us to buy into this dig a little bit past "chenney - halliburton" and provide us with some real evidence that the bid was not competitive compared to other qualified candidates. Otherwise get some business experience and see how it all really works, and understand that so long as the bid was good and they deliver within reason I dont care.


The Source

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The arrival of Dick Cheney as CEO in 1995 was, by far, the best decision Halliburton ever made. Government-backed loans from the Export-Import bank increased from $100 million to $1.5 billion. The company became the 18th-largest defense contractor, in terms of revenue, whereas before Cheney's arrival the company was the 73rd largest contractor.

Halliburton saw its revenue increase 30 percent to $16 billion in 2003, largely because of its military contracts in the middle east. Halliburton was the number one U.S. Army contractor in 2003 with the total value of its Army contracts valued at $3,731,725,648. Dan Briody, in his book The Halliburton Agenda, described Halliburton's relationship with Cheney as "the embodiment of the Iron Triangle, the nexus of the government, military, and big business that President Eisenhower warned America about in his farewell speech."


                                              (reconstruction contracts)  Campaign contributions
Kellogg Brown & Root (Halliburton)          ($2,329,040,891)          $2,379,792
Bechtel Group Inc.                                   (1,029,833,000)            3,310,102
International American Products Inc.           (526,805, 651)                  2,500
Perini Corp.                                               (525,000,000)               119,000
Contrack International Inc.                         (500,000,000)                   2,000
Fluor Corp.                                                (500,000,000)             3,624,173
Washington Group International                  (500,000,000)              1,185,232
Research Triangle Institute                         (466,070,508)                    1,950
Louis Berger Group                                    (300,000,000)                212,456
Creative Associates International Inc.          (217,139,368)                  10,300

Source

I am sure that a nexus does not exist between the amount of money contributed to
campaign
and the contract dollar amount awarded this is merel random convergance. Being the of top three contributors, 2 of which recieved top contract rewards.
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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2005, 12:59:00 AM »

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If you want us to buy into this dig a little bit past "chenney - halliburton" and provide us with some real evidence that the bid was not competitive compared to other qualified candidates. Otherwise get some business experience and see how it all really works, and understand that so long as the bid was good and they deliver within reason I dont care.


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Kickbacks
Halliburton admitted that two of its KBR employees accepted $6.3 million in kickbacks from a Kuwaiti-based subcontractor. Halliburton's internal audit revealed that employees accepted kickbacks in exchange for providing Army supply contracts to the subcontractor. The company repaid the $6.3 million to the Army Materiel Command in January 2004 and fired the employees involved.


Halliburton admits $6m kickbacks

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Energy services giant Halliburton has admitted that it has fired two members of staff in Iraq for taking kickbacks of up to $6m (£3.3m).


Meal Overcharges

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Halliburton unit KBR overcharged the U.S. government for meals supplied to troops at five military bases in Iraq and Kuwait during 2003. The company had overcharged by $27.4 million over a 9-month period. In one military camp in July 2003, KBR billed the government for an average 42,000 meals a day but served only 14,000 meals. Pentagon auditors found the overcharges during a routine audit of Halliburton


Halliburton suspends bill for army meals

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The oil services and logistics company said it had suspended billing the US army for catering services in the Middle East, in the face of allegations of massive overcharging.

Halliburton has more than $9bn (£4.8bn) worth of contracts in Iraq, more than any other company, but it has been plagued by claims of cronyism, corruption and financial mismanagement


U.S Taxpayer Fraud. You paid for this, joke is on you.







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xmedia2004

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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2005, 01:13:00 AM »

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Wow, how did you want him to save money?
Most of our "aid" money goes to help the poor. It may be the poor college student, the poor old person, the poor minority person, or the poor retarded child.
I know the wealthy get tax cuts, but the poor actually get money from the government. The only people's money you can take away is the poor people's. A tax cut is very different than a government program. The only way he can tighten the budget is to cut programs.


Afghanistan and Iraq are major line items on the US balance sheet. Line items in the billions(with a b )  of dollars spectrum.

U.S. taxpayers are currently bailing out airline companies from poor business models and fiscal policy which amounts to welfare.  This by no interpretation is capitalism. Frankly sounds like communism.

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A tax cut is very different than a government program


Taxpayer money diverted to the social, political, economic benifit of any private business ,citizen, or entity is called  WELFARE plain and simple
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2005, 01:22:00 AM »

Dude, stop fucking posting over and over...we get it...you hate bush, congratulations.  Why don't you spend some of your time and effort driving to N.O. and helping out instead of pointing fingers and looking up history on the web and posting links like you are doing research for the good of humanity.  Stop bitching and do something.
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2005, 01:29:00 AM »

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My god, what dont you wacko's understand about Haliburton being the only American company that do what they do?? What...do you want us to outsource to another nation? How will that help our economy? Best to keep the money here at home dont 'cha think?


Simply not true,

Top 10 US companies in this sector with major campaign contributions

Kellogg Brown & Root
Bechtel Group Inc.
International American Products Inc.
Perini Corp.  
Contrack International Inc.
Fluor Corp.
Washington Group International
Research Triangle Institute  
Louis Berger Group
Creative Associates International Inc.

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Not to mention that Cheney sold all of his stock in the company when he agreed to run with Bush for VP because he knew the kind of flack he would get from dumb asses like yourselves....so no, he doesnt get any profit from Haliburtons contract. Like puckSR said, just stick to your gaming unless you have something intelligent to say....Nimrod's!


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But, just as Cheney's wild claims about weapons of mass destruction turned out to be untrue and his claim that Halliburton had no ties to Saddam Hussein was bogus, his denial about profiting from Halliburton as vice president was also a bald-face lie. So while Cheney denied any relationship with Halliburton as vice president, he conveniently forgot to mention that he continues to receive from the company deferred salary of over $150,000 while maintaining 433,333 shares of unexercised stock options. Certainly, Cheney has a "financial interest in Halliburton" while working as vice president.

When confronted with the proof of his ongoing financial ties with Halliburton, Cheney responded by claiming his deferred salary and stock options are not actually a "financial interest" as defined by federal ethics standards and therefore not a conflict of interest. This prompted the Congressional Research Service to issue a report which confirmed Cheney's ongoing financial interest in Halliburton "is considered among the 'ties' retained in or 'linkages to former employers' that may 'represent a continuing financial interest' in those employers which makes them potential conflicts of interest."


Ethics LAw Violations Chaney/Halliburton

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Well said damam! Kinda funny how when a thread like this one starts getting some hard facts iserted that the thread starter and all the other bandwagon anti-capitalist posters become silent. Gee....I wonder why


LANDON14 you are mistaken Chaneys residual stock options have been reproted on major news for last 5 years,

What HARD FACTS?? Stick to Pwer Rangers something you know about Ma Roon?






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