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[Psykomantis00]

You have to know the differences between the turbo and supercharger which seems nobody in here knows very much about turbo's.

I personally would go for turbo. Superchargers are instant, but you cant tune them very much. It seems you need to do alot of research on the workings of both units before you even consider buying. If I were you, I would go with a moderate sized turbo, nothing big becuase I hate lag. Then get a big ass fmic. All the piping, bov, all the lines you need, and all the other parts. Get a nice boost gauge and turbo timer. Without any internals you wont be able to push much boost, maybe 10psi safely. Maybe more idk Im not familiar with miata's other than swapping in big ass V-8's and also the mkIII turboII engine.

[thesideinguy]

QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Jul 26 2005, 06:13 PM)

You have to know the differences between the turbo and supercharger which seems nobody in here knows very much about turbo's.

[thesideinguy]

and you base this on what?

[Rylinkus]

QUOTE(Psykomantis00 @ Jul 27 2005, 03:13 AM)

You have to know the differences between the turbo and supercharger which seems nobody in here knows very much about turbo's.

[Rylinkus]

QUOTE(trey85stang @ Jul 27 2005, 05:06 AM)

turbocharger > any other power adder

[thesideinguy]

QUOTE(Rylinkus @ Jul 26 2005, 08:59 PM)

BTW insideguy, my 8 second car is a Supra. And I built in in NFS underground.......

[Rylinkus]

QUOTE(thesideinguy @ Jul 27 2005, 06:05 AM)

 

[thesideinguy]

i've hade some prety close calls as of late my self. i'm working the grave yard shift for a week, (2230-0700) i just cant seam to get my head right. my sleep paterns are all fucked up.

[Psykomantis00]

Anyway, the turbo doesnt get that hot "close to meltdown" if you have a decent intercooler. You can also use heat wrapping which spreads the heat away faster. If you have a nice size IC yo dont need to let the engine idle to cool it down becuase it woulndt get that hot anyway unless you were running an insane amount of boost. If you have a small IC which many cars have little space to install a big IC, or you could run 2 side mounts, or a small fmic and a small tmic, you could just have one IC thats small and then get a turbo timer. I dont really understand what you were talking about with the backpressure situation, but just to let you know, with a turbo installed you can take the rest of your exaust off and just use a big pipe running out the back and you would be fine. Thats what I have done and so many other people with WRX's do it because a turbo creats the needed back pressure you need.

Ive seen soo many V-8 mustangs with stock bottom ends just throw a super charger and get beat by fwd turbo civic's. Now they have used a ton of money on their car (dumbasses) but still, with a compoletely stock motor, a GSX eclipse beat mustangs. Before you jump off and say super chargers are better becuase there is no lag, you also cant tune them easily. The only way to change the boost is with a pulley. With a turbo you can set it at 60psi if you wanted to, altho you wouldnt have an engine anymore, you can go from street to strip with the touch of a couple buttons. And for a miata.... a miata isnt a drag car in any way. The best thing you could use a miata for would be drifting or auto cross. Instead of spending shitloads of money on a turbo or supercharger setup, just get a turboII engine form an older supra and rebuild it. It would cost less and you would have alot more power and a decent turbo setup allready installed.

[jesterrace777]

An older Supra?  No thanks.  I used to work with a guy who had one and parts were virtually impossible/fucking expensive to get.  Don't get me wrong, they are excellent cars for performance but they are a nightmare to maintain.  I've already decided on going with a Supercharger reguardless of what car I get.  Simple reason being that a Supercharger is more practical for day to day driving.  Yes you can get more power, ect. out of tweaking a turbo but tell me just how often you are going to get to really use it.  I don't care as much about quarter mile times as I do getting a quick launch and going from light to light.  As for Turbo Civics beating a Mustang?  Yeah, they can do it but let's be realistic here.  A Supercharged 5.0 Foxbody can be had in good condition for about $7-$8K (cost of car + adding a supercharger).  The turbo setup in the Civic that would beat a Supercharged Mustang would easily cost you that much by itself.  Not to mention the fact that you would have to be pushing a bare minimum of 20lbs. of boost in the Civic to get it to the point where it would beat the Mustang.  Once you are pushing  that much boost on a Civic you are talking about serious mechanical problems.  When they work they are unstoppable but they will be incredibly high maintenence and not worth much as a daily driver.  Also it should be noted that the standard Supercharger that most people throw in their Mustangs is pretty weak.  If they were willing to spend a little more money they could get a much nicer supercharger that would really increase the performance of the vehicle.  It should also be noted that I don't intend to go with a Mustang.  I plan on going with a Z28 or Firebird with the 350 5.7 Liter V-8 in it.  I can get one of these (mid 90s) in great shape with a nice Supercharger for $10K or less.  You certainly aren't going to get a Civic to beat it for that price.  As for Mitsubishis, yes they are pretty cheap and can produce alot of HP but the maintenence on them IS A NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!   I would much rather maintain and operate a 350 Chevy engine than I would a Mitsubishi 4-Banger.

[Psykomantis00]

A turbo setup isnt that expensive. If you build it yourself its about 2 grand for a decent setup.

If you want a fast car for a cheap price, 10k or less, get either a 3kgt vr4 or a dodge stealth tt awd. Thats what Im working on. Dont get an F-body, everyone has one of those. Go with one of the late 80's early 90's model. Those look bad ass.

I always wanted to do a mitsubishi mirage with a 6g72tt in it, that would be the ultimate sleeper if you added awd.

[gerbertronic]

I'd go for the supercharger, they seem the easiest bolt on performance for factory motors.  Turbo's are great and efficient but you really need to build the engine to suit them.  

Before spending any money id look for forums devoted to your car see what others have done and spent.  You may be able to get close to 40% more power with cams headwork and exhaust. Then you can tell your insurance company it only has an modded exhaust.

[iLLNESS]

well the real question is.. where does the miata make its poweR?

low end of the rpm range? or the high end?

if its low, supercharge it..

it its high, turbo charge it..

simple as that

a greddy turbo setup is a good first time setup.. as well as jackson racing supercharger... both wont give you very large gains.. but ull learn alot from them


the best thing u can do is peice together a setup peice by peice..

[Psykomantis00]

A miata isnt one I would turbo unless doing an engine swap, then I would just upgrade the turbo and IC. If you want a serious gain in power, do an engine swap with the 3 roter engine and just get a bigger turbo and IC.

BTW this guy doesnt seem like he know's all that much about a turbo setup so more than likely he would leave out a high flow fuel pump, injectors, or wouldnt install the turbo properly.

[Rylinkus]

QUOTE(trey85stang @ Jul 28 2005, 03:52 AM)

WRONG,  anyone with a welder (and knowledge) and some tubing accesories can work around any plumbing issue.