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[TheSpecialist]

QUOTE(dalezer @ Nov 25 2005, 03:22 PM)

What that's CRAZY!  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)  So much more protection than I expected there to be. DAMN M$ is really trying to protect its PROFITS this time.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)

Not just theirs, but more importantly: the software developer's profit. Think of it what it will mean to the software industry if the PS3 gets hacked and the 360 proofs to be 'unhackable'. Every software developer outthere would prefer to code games for the 360 and THAT would make the 360 REALLY big. And that's why it is SO important to M$ to protect this machine and it seems that they have done a REALLY good job this time. And even if someone finds a way to hack this thing (I doubt it), M$ will learn again and the next generation XBOX will be even HARDER to hack ... Yes, building this CPU from scratch was the best security decision M$ has made so far, and I'm quite sure this will become a trend in this sector.

This post has been edited by TheSpecialist: Nov 25 2005, 05:14 PM

[bosstitan187]

so basicaly were fucked lol how long you think till we crack it?

[CattyKid]

QUOTE(Avenger 2.0 @ Nov 25 2005, 10:41 AM)

But for now, let's use this box for what it was designed... GAMING  

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Why?
We paid for it, we should be able to use it for what we please.

[BlueCELL]

Think this means that mod chips are outta the question.  Only thing I could see working is exploits, but can can fix them though xbl.  So it'll be a Cat & mouse game.  Just like the PSP, just harder....

[garshmalarsh]

just curious....has anyone tried ftp'ing into it yet?  if so, can you copy the game disc to your pc and burn a dvd.  the 360 does read dvd r's

[ksteiner]

I knew bunnie was gonna help ms to make the xbox really secure. I bet they gave him a sweet job and good money.

[Demonicus]

Wow very very good secruity indeed! But remember they M$ said that the first xbox was unhackable and look what happened, they carecked it thanks to Bunnie. But since Bunnie aint gonna be with the 360 well someone else is gonna do it.

[Bizquick]

Thats crazy security. I bet MS has some door they forgot to close though. I'm sure there is some way around this. But it looks like it will be a hack in the boot loader code. So most likely a softmod.

I just don't see how a hardware mod chip can do it. but we said the same about the GC and it took a hell of along time but there is a chip for it now. As far as PS3 and then the Xbox 360 comment about if the xbox360 proves to be unhackable and the PS3 is. Sony got a head because of software piracy on there first unit. and today it still improves sales on the PS2. the xbox would have been a Number 3 system today still if it wasn't hacked. and GC would have been on top. Yes Piracy does hurt the software company's I won't argue that. but it also helps the unit get more pouplar and then the sales to drive up from that. the major problem with the xbox 1 is that the hacks for it were so easy and very easy to get. I bet now if you look at sense the GC got hacked you are seeing a small rise in the sales on that. and I also bet sense the PSP was hacked that you are seeing alot more sales on that. but also Sony making money on Memcards from both 1st party and 3rd party because of that Duo brand stamp.

[asteron]

Man with all that security on the CPU it might be the only way to get code to run is to replace desolder the CPU and replace it with a compatible one without the security....

[crazykid092]

has any1 tried to find out what's on the hard drive?

[saunders73]

QUOTE(asteron @ Nov 25 2005, 03:28 PM)

Man with all that security on the CPU it might be the only way to get code to run is to replace desolder the CPU and replace it with a compatible one without the security....

wow lets replace the cpu thats about the stupidest thing ive ever read
                 

[Dawg605]

QUOTE(crazykid092 @ Nov 25 2005, 05:58 PM)

has any1 tried to find out what's on the hard drive?

Don't think so, but I hope someone does soon!

[GH0STce11]

QUOTE(DynaMight @ Nov 25 2005, 04:38 AM)

Dont forget we're still talking about MS here, there'll be security holes I'm sure, the more complex it is the more chance there is of a hole. Will be interesting to see how long it takes.

How long did the Xbox take?

How much protection did xbox1 have is the real question.

The answer is it had next to none. Basically a HDD Key and that's it. And since the BIOS and OS were seperate,  all that was needed was an intercepter in the middle. But now that can't happen.

the sHype hypervisor is pretty much inpenetrable, as its got the CPU by the balls, and if it so much as hears of anything changing....

[jer2eydevil88]

I remember reading the first sites dedicated to hacking an orginal XBOX and at the time there was no organized "scene" or "community" for it.  I don't remember/know how long it took exactly but it was the better part of six months before someone had a workable solution to running unsigned code on an xbox.

I know there are many simularities between the chips used in this xbox and the apple G5 cpu's (They are far from identical I know) maybe someone more familar with these systems will be of great help this time around.  So basically someone call up Steve Jobs and tell him there is an oppurtunity to repay MS for that bit of hell he went through.

[trey85stang]

QUOTE(CattyKid @ Nov 25 2005, 06:44 PM)

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Why?
We paid for it, we should be able to use it for what we please.

So do whatever you want to do with it,  no one is stopping you.

This post has been edited by trey85stang: Nov 26 2005, 10:15 AM