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[xnoelahg]

QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 2 2007, 07:38 AM)

It is simple, you OWN the ORIGINAL, you MAKE your own BACKUP from your ORIGINAL,
and then you will always have the right SS, PFI, DMI and VIDEO parts for that GAME.

If you get files or patchs from unknown sources and apply it to a game, just because
it boots does not mean it is safe to use or will prevent you from getting banned.

iXTREME v1.0 is very will written and stops alot of false boots with incorrect info,
but it does not prevent things like what you did, alot of the SS are very much the
same and you can boot some games with other SS, but this is UNSAFE and NOT
the recommended way, no program or firmware can detect mistakes like that.

It is very simple, if you are making your own BACKUPS from your ORIGINALs you will be fine.

Anyway to put it is, think about "skydiving", one of the major rules to always inspect your gear,
and if possible with proper training "pack" your chute yourself, or at least know how it should
be packed, and make sure it is do right. You just don't grab any unknown "chute" and jump out
of the plane. You are asking for trouble, and certain deaf.

So that is the same with XBOX Live, if you want to play safe and use LIVE without getting the
Ban Hammer dropped on you, make sure you know the source of your files, and always always
do it yourself and don't trust any "scene" or other unknown source for files, grab yourself a compatible
ripping drive and rip all the needed parts from the original yourself, and you will be fine on LIVE.

 But don't you need a samsung drive to grab the SS correctly?

[garyopa]

QUOTE(xnoelahg @ Jun 2 2007, 03:30 AM)

But don't you need a samsung drive to grab the SS correctly?

Currently yes, you need either an XBOX360 Samsung drive,
or one of the compatible Kreon's drives which are also Samsung.

The Hitachi F900 core is a little buggy and does not always return the correct SS.

The new iXtreme firmware will not boot the discs which have four missing bytes
starting at offset >200 (for 360 discs), or at >2D0 (for XBOX1 discs)
which were badly ripped containing all zero's instead of data from an Hitachi drive.

Maybe after all the new "iXtreme" firmwares are finished.

I will release a corrected ripping only firmware for use on a junked banned Hitachi drive.

[Serj]

QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 2 2007, 12:43 AM)

Currently yes, you need either an XBOX360 Samsung drive,
or one of the compatible Kreon's drives which are also Samsung.

The Hitachi F900 core is a little buggy and does not always return the correct SS.

The new iXtreme firmware will not boot the discs which have four missing bytes
starting at offset >200 (for 360 discs), or at >2D0 (for XBOX1 discs)
which were badly ripped containing all zero's instead of data from an Hitachi drive.

Maybe after all the new "iXtreme" firmwares are finished.

I will release a corrected ripping only firmware for use on a junked banned Hitachi drive.

I myself don't have a hitatchi drive, though my friend who travels quite frequently has one

which is why I was asking..

..and I'm thinking there's no way to completely verify a sector? whether it'd be SS, PFI, or DMI?

[liqwidsky]

QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jun 1 2007, 08:00 AM)

they are both good, and in fact there is a third model.
It just depends on the game, check which is on that original and use the same as your original.
In fact since you need a samsung(5.3 or prior) / Kreon then it is easier to do a "complete backup".

-soso

I would love to know the names of any games which have this third video partition, as I am well aware of the two wolfienuke described and by coincidence already replied to his post on xboxhacker, but I have never heard of or seen a third version.  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Also I have been looking for some technical information on the so-called badly ripped hitachi ss. I am interested in knowing exactly what ixtreme looks for to determine valid ss. (the more detail the better)

Thanks

[badsheepy]

Hello
Firstly I would like to say for testing isos, please use
XDVDMulleter Download
until beta 8 is released. It is FAR better at detecting stealth, and detects things like the link between ss and xex, and between video and pfi.

(note to ops etc, theres nothing copywrited or illegal in that rar, please feel free to check (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE

Also I have been looking for some technical information on the so-called badly ripped hitachi ss. I am interested in knowing exactly what ixtreme looks for to determine valid ss. (the more detail the better)

The problem with the hitachi SS is truncated responses to (at least) challenges 5 and 7.
The original ss format can mostly be described on xbox hacker, and the one c4eva uses in his firmware is just that with the decrypted table shoved in it too (to the best of my knowledge anyhow)

Decrypted table appears to have its first entry at 0x661 in the SS file
9 bytes per challenge/response. Hitachi ss will most likely have the last 4 bytes of some challenges as all zeros.

Note: i have never actually had a hitachi SS file to verify this info, so any or all might be wrong. But its how i detect for it in xdvdmulleter, so if it IS wrong, please let me know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Wolfienuke: The correct video to be used can be worked out by looking at the PFI.  0x10 is the size of video on layer 0 before unlock (actually its a long int of the sector of the layer break starting at 0x0c, but the first logical sector on a dvd is hardcoded to 0x30000, and the number is just 0x30000 + size of layer 0 in blocks)
Anyhow, thats a terrible explaination and an unnecessary one.

If the 0x10 is 086f you need the 2724 block video file (2724*2048 = 5578752 bytes)
and if it is 0a8f then you need the 3519 block one (3519 * 2048 = 7206912 bytes)

Of course, if you ripped these video files using xbc or something, it will have ripped the ENTIRE video partition, even though the vast majority of it is padding (or security sectors on a retails disc)
If you want to see the actual size of the video files, mount the image in imgburn or something, or look at byte 0x8050, which should be the size of the video files in blocks.

Oh, and xdvdmulleter test checks the link between pfi and video, so for people who dont want to get all hex editory, you can just check it in that and if it complains about mismatched video, insert the other one. (only works on discs with a PFI)

Good luck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by badsheepy: Jun 2 2007, 09:19 AM

[PacinoAllstars]

QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 2 2007, 08:38 AM)

It is simple, you OWN the ORIGINAL, you MAKE your own BACKUP from your ORIGINAL,
and then you will always have the right SS, PFI, DMI and VIDEO parts for that GAME.

If you get files or patchs from unknown sources and apply it to a game, just because
it boots does not mean it is safe to use or will prevent you from getting banned.

iXTREME v1.0 is very will written and stops alot of false boots with incorrect info,
but it does not prevent things like what you did, alot of the SS are very much the
same and you can boot some games with other SS, but this is UNSAFE and NOT
the recommended way, no program or firmware can detect mistakes like that.

It is very simple, if you are making your own BACKUPS from your ORIGINALs you will be fine.

Another way to put this fact across, is to think about "skydiving", one of the major rules to always
inspect your gear, and if possible with proper training "pack" your chute yourself, or at least know
how it should be packed, and make sure it is done right.

You just don't grab any unknown "chute" and jump out of the plane.
You are asking for trouble, and certain death.

So that is the same with XBOX Live, if you want to play safe and use LIVE without getting the
Ban Hammer dropped on you, make sure you know the source of your files.

And always always do it yourself and don't trust any "scene" or other unknown source for files,
grab yourself a compatible ripping drive and rip all the needed parts from the original yourself,
and you will be fine on LIVE.

(EDIT: bad english & grammar, give me a break it is 3:30am in the morning)

And what if I want a correct Hitachi backup?

Am I also supposed to use a kreon drive?

I currently have a samsung, but I might buy another xbox in the future which could have a hitachi drive.

[badsheepy]

I am mostly sure what you claim in the first post is a tad wrong.

Games cannot boot with another games SS file, the SS has a media id which is checked against the default.xex , I think its unlikely they would have any duplicates.

Stealth files on the other hand, you can insert whatever you like so long as its valid, and theres nothing the dvdrom can do to check it short of having a huge database of all isos. (so far as i know

[Serj]

QUOTE(badsheepy @ Jun 2 2007, 02:27 AM)

I am mostly sure what you claim in the first post is a tad wrong.

Games cannot boot with another games SS file, the SS has a media id which is checked against the default.xex , I think its unlikely they would have any duplicates.

Stealth files on the other hand, you can insert whatever you like so long as its valid, and theres nothing the dvdrom can do to check it short of having a huge database of all isos. (so far as i know

test it yourself

I inserted sectors from 1 different game to another, and it booted. I'm not wasting more media to test this again, but you can if you want

[garyopa]

QUOTE(badsheepy @ Jun 2 2007, 05:27 AM)

I am mostly sure what you claim in the first post is a tad wrong.

Games cannot boot with another games SS file, the SS has a media id which is checked against the default.xex , I think its unlikely they would have any duplicates.

Stealth files on the other hand, you can insert whatever you like so long as its valid, and theres nothing the dvdrom can do to check it short of having a huge database of all isos. (so far as i know

When the first DVD hack was done by the Specialist, he found that some SS's are the same for
same games, not 100% the same, but it will allow the game to boot, it seems to be more like
the library build of the game xex not the game itself, so games builded from the same version
or suite of dev. tools will have SS's that are close enough to allow the game to boot.

The DMI/PFI is what M$ is checking so those must always always be from the actual game disc,
and best to always rip them from your original. Alltho of the so called "scene stealth" patchs don't
have the right sectors, and some even use the PAL version on the NTSC version and vice-versa,
there is really no way to verify these sectors are from the right disc by the firmware, it can only
do tests to make sure all three DMI/PFI/SS and video are present and at least containing valid
data, if you want to play around with using the wrong one's or untrusted scene patchs and get
yourself banned using the new iXtreme firmware, it is your own fault and not the fault of the
firmware, the firmware can only do so much and it already does enough by blocking the boot
of unstealthed or missing data discs, it is up the user to make sure he uses his originals to make
correct backups of his discs, and not to mix up what sectors go with what disc.

[sosotiit]

QUOTE(garyopa @ Jun 2 2007, 02:38 AM)

It is simple, you OWN the ORIGINAL, you MAKE your own BACKUP from your ORIGINAL,
and then you will always have the right SS, PFI, DMI and VIDEO parts for that GAME.

so well said.
note that you do not need a prog to identify DMI when you make it from your origninal, that is only for people that have pieces coming from everwhere.

-soso
also read the pinned
no discussion on on injecting components in a backup, we know too well what this is used for. do it as garyopa said from the original and all will be there.

This post has been edited by sosotiit: Jun 2 2007, 01:54 PM

[popballz]

QUOTE(sosotiit @ Jun 2 2007, 12:37 PM)

so well said.
note that you do not need a prog to identify DMI when you make it from your origninal, that is only for people that have pieces coming from everwhere.

-soso
also read the pinned
no discussion on on injecting components in a backup, we know too well what this is used for. do it as garyopa said from the original and all will be there.

so all the backups i made myself have all the necessary files in them?

i dont have to get them separately from the iso?

and if i could pick up an xbox 360 samsung drive would that work better for the ripping than the Samsung SH-D162c ?

thanks

[popballz]

QUOTE(popballz @ Jun 2 2007, 07:29 PM)

so all the backups i made myself have all the necessary files in them?

i dont have to get them separately from the iso?

and if i could pick up an xbox 360 samsung drive would that work better for the ripping than the Samsung SH-D162c ?

thanks

well i figured out that none of my backups made with my pioneer 111d(for ripping) dont have any of that stealth stuff


but i am getting a keron drive from bong so its all good...except the $ i wasted on all those verbatims i wasted

[sosotiit]

definitely the Kreon drive  business will get better, samsung latest firmware cannot extract and hitachi ss are not good!!!
options are to have (or reflash) a samsung 5.3 (or before) or a Kreon.
Reflashing to 5.3 everytime to rip then back to iXtreme to play is not practical, Kreon was the best solution and it is even more now.
-soso

[sosotiit]

*** EDIT NOTE: June 3rd 2007***
Badsheepy just issued XDVDMulleter Beta 8 which introduced many new features and a few corrections. At this point that seems like the easiest method to verify your burned DVD for stealth.
****************************

[Truelaw]

I am using this program to do the usual. Now I do not have the samsung drive to make a backup iam using my normal drive. Here is an image of what my results are. . Its gives me an error about the video not being split right. I have been reading and did not find how important this is? Is this a good copy?

If I missed somthing please let me know.
Thank you
(IMG:http://memberuploads.xbox-scene.com/uploads/2007_06_05/01_51_37_Picture.jpg)

This post has been edited by Truelaw: Jun 5 2007, 12:19 AM