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[DeMoN_DARREN]

QUOTE(irnchriz @ Apr 28 2008, 04:18 PM)

Yes i have  To completion on both systems

Post Sunday night (UK) time, I smell BS big time.

Go with whatever.  Just GET IT  

[Looouky]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 28 2008, 09:11 PM)

It's not an excuse for crappy online play. I didn't say the online play was crappy. As for you not being able to get a match on GH, I can't comment I don't have it, but every game I play online which is nearly every game I have, I have never, repeat never had a problem finding a team or opponent. Are you actually suggesting there will be no online players for GTA 4?? Surely not.
Your comment on integrated libraries means nothing to me. Care to expand on what is different between matching up in COD 4 on the PS3 and on the 360?? Don't you have a list of your friends on your PS3?
Stupid to have friends round for a gaming session??? Not convenient?? You must have a different definition of friends than me. My friends are people I socialise with, most live fairly close, I get on with them all so having them round for  a beer and a game is not inconvenient or stupid. You ought to try it. Why would I want to play them online if I could simply phone them and say fancy coming round for a game and a chat and a laugh. It's good to interact with humans face to face, seems a bit impersonal doing it via the console.
As for your comment about all the people who backed up games onto the Xbox only liking it because they are all pirates, you must be speaking for your own experience because I did it with my genuine games to save the disc and better still to save having to get the disc out every time.
Oh and if you are worried about your HDD so  much fit a 250GB. Personally I have 17 games for the PS3 and I don't need a bigger HDD yet, that includes loading patches for Pro Evo as well.

Chancer I am very happy for you that you live very close to all your friends. Unfortunatley this is not true for a lot of us. My friends are over 300kms away; I can not meet them in a pub for drinks or go down to their place for a nice game of halo or GT5.
 
Now I have both systems and most of my friends have ps3. Now I like the ps3, but the fact of the matter is that their online service was not thought out from the start. It feels tackled on, like if it were a response to xbox live. That is at least that the way it feels to me. The service by no means is horrible. It is actually pretty decent from my experiences though it has a lot of shortcomings. In my opinion here are its shortcomings:

1)   No universal friend list. This makes it though to play your friends through out different games. Ghost Recon 2 is a great example I have to play a game with an individual before I can add them as a friend.
2)   No cross game chat. My friends and I don’t have the same taste for games, but why can’t I talk to them as they have their own unique experience.

There are more, like that fact there is no private game setup for GT5 that is just dumb. Both services are great, but the fact is that it would be a lot easier for me if the PSN were more like live.

[_GhOsT_]

i have read thru alot of these comments and had to laugh to myself just a little bit and who is getting what version and why its better.  

personally im getting it for the 360 but not for the looks or the special content.  im getting it for the game play.  i have played every gta that has come out and i love the series (i dont care what other people say)



360 special edition is what i paid for and i am happy with my decision

[MaulerX]

For what it's worth: Quaz51 at B3D found out that GTA4 on the 360 runs at 720p and PS3 version runs at 630p .

That's right folks, the PS3 version's native resolution is 630p. If the sacrifice in resolution is what makes
the PS3 version run "slightly" better, then it proves how identical both versions really are.

[Elemino]

QUOTE(CeroSan @ Apr 28 2008, 12:59 AM)

The PS3 version gives you  the option to "Install" GTA on the hard drive.

Oh great, another game to "install" on the PS3. It's a good thing I don't have like 10 games on the PS3 like I have on the 360, because these 2GB installs would eat up that 20gb of usuable space before i can even save anything to the system.

QUOTE(Flagg3 @ Apr 28 2008, 02:11 AM)

And don't forget that awesome bonus that games that tax the Xbox 360 really hard like GTA IV invoke the super cool Jet Engine sound simulator on the Xbox 360!  

That is completely drowned out by my surround sound system.

[wmxp]

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=633901

PS3: 630p with 2xAA at FP16 Lighting
X360: 720p with 2xAA with FP10 Lighting
PS3 has a "softer" image because it is lower resolution being upscaled to 720p. 360 version is sharper because it is being rendered natively at that resolution.

[Chancer]

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Chancer I am very happy for you that you live very close to all your friends. Unfortunatley this is not true for a lot of us. My friends are over 300kms away; I can not meet them in a pub for drinks or go down to their place for a nice game of halo or GT5.

 Right let me put this to bed. It seems people deliberately misinterpret stuff.
I never said ALL my friends live close to me. I have friends that have moved away, work away, live away.
I never said I don't play with friends on live. I prefer to have friends over or go to their house and play in a group. I am not so thick as to believe this is possible for a  friend who lives 300 miles away.
You know exactly what was meant by the comment and I really find it very hard to believe the people that are making out they have No friends that live close to them Do you not socialise with people where you live? If you have no friends close by who you enjoy a game with in person then you are spending too much time dressed in an anorak, playing XBL or PSN, with people miles away, to communicate with the people on your doorstep......
Cue a post by someone with no houses, shops or people within 300 miles of their remote farmhouse.

[Looouky]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 29 2008, 10:08 AM)

Right let me put this to bed. It seems people deliberately misinterpret stuff.
I never said ALL my friends live close to me. I have friends that have moved away, work away, live away.
I never said I don't play with friends on live. I prefer to have friends over or go to their house and play in a group. I am not so thick as to believe this is possible for a  friend who lives 300 miles away.
You know exactly what was meant by the comment and I really find it very hard to believe the people that are making out they have No friends that live close to them Do you not socialise with people where you live? If you have no friends close by who you enjoy a game with in person then you are spending too much time dressed in an anorak, playing XBL or PSN, with people miles away, to communicate with the people on your doorstep......
Cue a post by someone with no houses, shops or people within 300 miles of their remote farmhouse.

I have a couple of friends where I live right now, but the fact is that most of my new friends don't like playing video games. I am not a teenager, I am 25 years old I don't spend online all the time trying to make new friends close to me that play video games. I like the fact that I am close to a group of 15 high school friends who must of them love video games. I like how you focused only on the friend's comment and ditracted directly from the short commings of the PSN. My hope is Sony copies more from MS, I hardly care who wins the race I just want my experience to be the most user friendly, that is where MS wins and naturally because they are a software company. Here is hoping that for my PS4 I have a universal friends list, the ability to hook up my ipod and play any music I like, and for online service that is still free.

Anyhow all this is just my opinion, people's opinion differ and and so do there standard. Some guys are ok with an ok looking girl, and some guys will not have anything else but a bombshell.

[mercury187]

does either console version have online split screen like halo3?

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Looouky @ Apr 29 2008, 04:36 PM)

I have a couple of friends where I live right now, but the fact is that most of my new friends don't like playing video games. I am not a teenager, I am 25 years old I don't spend online all the time trying to make new friends close to me that play video games. I like the fact that I am close to a group of 15 high school friends who must of them love video games. I like how you focused only on the friend's comment and ditracted directly from the short commings of the PSN. My hope is Sony copies more from MS, I hardly care who wins the race I just want my experience to be the most user friendly, that is where MS wins and naturally because they are a software company. Here is hoping that for my PS4 I have a universal friends list, the ability to hook up my ipod and play any music I like, and for online service that is still free.

Anyhow all this is just my opinion, people's opinion differ and and so do there standard. Some guys are ok with an ok looking girl, and some guys will not have anything else but a bombshell.

 I am not sure why you mention the fact you are 25, like that prevents you from having friends. I am not sure either why you think you find friends living close via online play. If you are intimating that I am some 15 year old kid whose friends are all met online then you are so far wide of the mark it's untrue. If you check my profile you will see I am one of the oldest gits on here..
Your comments on the PSN, I will address as it seems to have bothered you.

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No universal friend list. This makes it though to play your friends through out different games. Ghost Recon 2 is a great example I have to play a game with an individual before I can add them as a friend.

 Don't you understand how the PS works ? Simply add your friends via their ID. You DON'T have to play a game against anyone before they can be added to your friends list. What you mean is it is not an identical method to the 360 so you are baffled by it.

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No cross game chat. My friends and I don’t have the same taste for games, but why can’t I talk to them as they have their own unique experience.

 Personally it doesn't appeal, but this is not coming until Firmware 2.4 in the summer.

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There are more, like that fact there is no private game setup for GT5 that is just dumb. Both services are great, but the fact is that it would be a lot easier for me if the PSN were more like live.

 I don't play GT5 but you are citing one game, but I can't comment accurately related to this game.
Your closing line says it all. It's not the same as using XBL. No it's not it is an alternative. Because you are familiar with XBL you seem unable to utilise the PSN to the best of it's current ability.
You are making another assumption that GTA4 the game on topic will be worse online on the PSN than XBL. I am betting there is no major difference in game.

[grim_d]

360 version and ive had very very little texture pop-in, in 10 or so playing hours ive noticed it once.  Also i find the loading times very acceptable, faster than the majority of games.

gears of war, cod4 etc are much much worse for it.

i reckon the launch 360's are faster  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by grim_d: Apr 30 2008, 11:17 AM

[d-range]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Apr 28 2008, 09:11 PM)

It's not an excuse for crappy online play. I didn't say the online play was crappy. As for you not being able to get a match on GH, I can't comment I don't have it, but every game I play online which is nearly every game I have, I have never, repeat never had a problem finding a team or opponent. Are you actually suggesting there will be no online players for GTA 4?? Surely not.
Your comment on integrated libraries means nothing to me. Care to expand on what is different between matching up in COD 4 on the PS3 and on the 360?? Don't you have a list of your friends on your PS3?
Stupid to have friends round for a gaming session??? Not convenient?? You must have a different definition of friends than me. My friends are people I socialise with, most live fairly close, I get on with them all so having them round for  a beer and a game is not inconvenient or stupid. You ought to try it. Why would I want to play them online if I could simply phone them and say fancy coming round for a game and a chat and a laugh. It's good to interact with humans face to face, seems a bit impersonal doing it via the console.
As for your comment about all the people who backed up games onto the Xbox only liking it because they are all pirates, you must be speaking for your own experience because I did it with my genuine games to save the disc and better still to save having to get the disc out every time.
Oh and if you are worried about your HDD so  much fit a 250GB. Personally I have 17 games for the PS3 and I don't need a bigger HDD yet, that includes loading patches for Pro Evo as well.

Chancer, I'm sorry to say but now you're making fanboyish comments. The only thing I said was that my online experience on my PS3 has always sucked compared to the 360, and that it is just plain ignorant to say proper friends lists are unnecessary 'because you can have friends over'. Your sarcastic 'you should try it yourself sometime' comment appears to confirm that. FWIW, I don't play games that much when I have friends over anyway (I'm over 25 and almost all my friends are, and most of them don't even like gaming).  I know for a fact that my brother plays online a lot, and he has 'friends' (yes he also has real-world friends, the 2 are not mutually exclusive you know) all over the world that he plays against. Fact is that being able to *easily* set up a game *for specific people* in *any game* that supports online is a big plus. That's what I meant with the 'integrated online libraries' on the 360: everything online is already covered by Microsoft, the developer just needs to create a nice GUI around it and be done with it. The PS3 apparently lacks this, seeing that the games I tried suck so much (admittedly: only GT5P, GHIII, Motorstorm), all work differently, have different feature sets or don't have online play at all.

I don't know what you are trying to say with your comments about my Xbox 1 and the fact that *you* used it for backing up your games and I supposedly used it for piracy. I don't want to get into this because first of all its offtopic and second of all you're more or less inviting comments that are against your own forum rules but let me keep it at this: yes 95% of the people with modded Xbox-es used it for piracy, period. That said: it doesn't even matter for this discussion because the only thing I said was that people will run out of PS3 HDD space soon and they will *not* be amused having to muck around with hard drives. Upgrading the HDD *and* keeping all your save data is not that easy for tech-illiterate people btw.

I'm not really sure why you're even trying to defend your point here, I think most people would agree that the 360 just has a much better online experience. Obviously you don't 'because COD4 works so well'. My experience is that games don't work, don't work well, updates are slow, large, fail a lot, every game has different online setups, some of them crappy, some of them too difficult, the whole system has less features than the 360, is more difficult to use ("there's a new update, go to settings->system settings->system update'??), not integrated with the XMB and so on and so forth... Next thing I know you'll be defending Nintendo for their great online experience...

You've most like already read the topic about GTA IV online issues on the PS3. I rest my case...

This post has been edited by d-range: Apr 30 2008, 01:50 PM

[PowderDay]

I'll go with the leet PC version WHEN it comes out (not IF!)
Patients is a virtue, good things come to those who wait!

[Chancer]

QUOTE(d-range @ Apr 30 2008, 01:43 PM)

. The PS3 apparently lacks this, seeing that the games I tried suck so much (admittedly: only GT5P, GHIII, Motorstorm), all work differently, have different feature sets or don't have online play at all.

Hardly a great standpoint to reinforce your point is it? 3 games?? (One of those a £19.99 prelude to the proper game GT5)

QUOTE(d-range @ Apr 30 2008, 01:43 PM)

 the only thing I said was that people will run out of PS3 HDD space soon and they will *not* be amused having to muck around with hard drives. Upgrading the HDD *and* keeping all your save data is not that easy for tech-illiterate people btw.

 Do me a favour it's in the instruction booklet and a 3 year old could do it.

QUOTE(d-range @ Apr 30 2008, 01:43 PM)

I'm not really sure why you're even trying to defend your point here, I think most people would agree that the 360 just has a much better online experience. Obviously you don't 'because COD4 works so well'. My experience is that games don't work, don't work well, updates are slow, large, fail a lot, every game has different online setups, some of them crappy, some of them too difficult, the whole system has less features than the 360, is more difficult to use ("there's a new update, go to settings->system settings->system update'??), not integrated with the XMB and so on and so forth... Next thing I know you'll be defending Nintendo for their great online experience...

You've most like already read the topic about GTA IV online issues on the PS3. I rest my case...

 You need to change your first line to most people on here (an Xbox based site). I defend it because your experience is way different to mine. How you can make the comment about every game having different online setups when you have only played 3, one of them a launch title is beyond me. fact is you can't justify this from  experience of 3 games. I have had no issues (other than with pro Evo 2008 which is a bag of shit on the PS3 and online is worse than offline.) Never had a slow update or a failure, or failed to find someone online to match/play with. Because you don't like the PSN or have had issues with it doesn't mean that is the defacto standard for the system or everyone's experience with it. If you look at either system there are issues that people will have  from both sides. The people who have had major downtime with both will speak out aginst them but it doesn't make the systems crap. The biggest voice should be the silent ones who don't post because they are sailing along with either online system without issues.
Oh and yes I have read the issues about GT4 online with the PS3 but as of yet not experienced them. I have no doubt there will be connection issues, just as there have been with XB live (and may still be again). I am also sure just as with XBL that these will get sorted out so don't quote the last line as if XBL has never gone down. If you think that you have severe memory loss.