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[readmore]

I too am a fan of digital downloads. The great thing about them (and any parent out there can attest to it) is they don't get scratched. Not only that, a purchase using a system like Xbox Live guarantees you will have access to the movie even in the event of a Hard Drive crash.

I have a friend that has a 500GB external drive filled with HD movies (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) he plays through the Xbox360. Plug it into the USB and you're ready to go. And he can take ALL his movies with him if he travels or visits a friend! How great is that?

I can get an 8Gig movie downloaded in about 2 hours. With bandwidth speeds ever increasing it won't be long before everything you watch on TV will be streamed to your TV or media device via "internet".

I say good riddance to both formats.

[jaynigs]

QUOTE(readmore @ Jan 3 2008, 07:30 PM)

I too am a fan of digital downloads. The great thing about them (and any parent out there can attest to it) is they don't get scratched. Not only that, a purchase using a system like Xbox Live guarantees you will have access to the movie even in the event of a Hard Drive crash.

I have a friend that has a 500GB external drive filled with HD movies (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray) he plays through the Xbox360. Plug it into the USB and you're ready to go. And he can take ALL his movies with him if he travels or visits a friend! How great is that?

I can get an 8Gig movie downloaded in about 2 hours. With bandwidth speeds ever increasing it won't be long before everything you watch on TV will be streamed to your TV or media device via "internet".

I say good riddance to both formats.

Digital downloads will only win when everyone can download at warp speed, ( ie quicker than they can go buy it from a store ) as technology advances, so does the disc capacaties etc, downloading will always be too slow! much quicker to nip to the store and grab the disc and the packaging that a lot of people love to own!

Your there with your wife/gf whatever and you want to watch a movie! do you wait an hour or 2 for it to download? or do you just jump in the car and go to blockbuster?

Not only that, but i currently do not see any money savings by using digital downloads! microsoft are trying to kill the idea off by sheer greed!

I LAUGHED when i saw the price for a 24 hour movie license on xbox live! they must think people are mugs!

They can try and disguise the real cost with the silly microsoft points system, but doesn't take a genius to do the maths!

Dump the points crap! and let people pay with real currency!

This post has been edited by jaynigs: Jan 3 2008, 08:44 PM

[the_nerdy]

[quote name='h3xagram' date='Jan 3 2008, 12:53 PM' post='4189489']
You're either making things up out of thin air or you have inaccurate information. No one said that current players can't play HD-51 discs. I would like to see an article that states this as fact.

Umm yes they have, they have had to tweak the laser a little bit to get the third layer to read, so standard HD DVD players right now are not going to do it.

[the_nerdy]

[quote name='h3xagram' date='Jan 3 2008, 12:53 PM' post='4189489']
You're either making things up out of thin air or you have inaccurate information. No one said that current players can't play HD-51 discs. I would like to see an article that states this as fact.



Here ya go buddy,  I can't find a site that states this information anymore,  but it is in the comments of other people talking about it.

Posted by ivid on Monday 10 September 2007 21:04
Size is CRITICAL and this is great news. 30 GB is not enough.

I am a broadcast professional with a very discriminating eye for detail and image quality. HD DVD is beautiful but it is not free of compression artifacts (same for blu-ray) and anyone who can notice them will. It is MPEG4 after all... Having 50 GB to store larger/ less compressed video will definately help this, particularily for longer running films.
Maybe improving the MPEG4 / VC-1 encoding software & imroving the optimization for compression artifcats would help too like it did in the DVD industry, but increased size is still a better solution IMO.

I would expect a firmware update to allow these new discs to be read by current-gen players. 45 GB 3-layer discs were talked about before the 1st HD DVD player was released last year so the idea of being able to focus the laser for a 3rd layer was thought about and speculated to be possible by F/W updates. Speculated... lets cross our fingers and hope it becomes a reality.
I can't see them making 51 GB movie discs if they won't play in early adopters and Xbox 360 HD DVD players.

Here is the link

http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/DVD-Forum-app...D-DVD-disc.html

Please do research and stay up to date with the progress they made.   They are still testing it and are stumped for a reason.

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jan 3 2008, 11:00 AM)

In the end it will come down to one simple fact. NO DISNEY, PIXAR MOVIE WILL EVER BE ON HD-DVD. Thats it folks it will never happen. And nobody is going to back a format that will never be able to play their kids movies.

i don't know that i agree with that. if bluray wins, all the the HD-DVD exclusive supporters will support it. if HD-DVD wins, all the bluray exclusive companies will support it, including pixar/sony/everyone else. the exclusivity is only while there are two options.

[warmaster_670]

QUOTE(tabsaid @ Jan 3 2008, 02:05 PM)

Surprised no ones mentioned BD+.  Blu-ray made alot of enemies with that one.  They are a bunch of DRM wh0res over at camp blu-ray and I'm shocked anyone in the internet community, especially users at XS supports them.

welcome to the world of buisness, everything is full of drm

[iceman72]

There is such a problem with the whole BR,HD, Digital download war. If they were all on the same level playing ground people would have a good choice. Here are my feelings that are all based on fact.

#1 HD players are much much cheaper than BR players.
#2 BR movies are much much cheaper than HHD movies.
#3 Digital Downloads will never win the war. Collectors like to be able to look at a movie over and over and have something tangible to show for it. 24 hours to view it just sucks. I hate that some times i may pause a movie and cant come back to it the until the next day and wham the movie stops if I don't complete it with in the alloted time frame.
#4 BR has more selection out there of movies.
#5 To the average consumer both BR and HD look the same.

So after it's all said and done I picked HD. It seems like the happy medium. But it bothers me that the movies are high as hell. Damn two movies cost me $60+ bucks. If they want me to buy movies like I buy DVD movies. They need to at least get them down in the twenties like BR. I really think if HD dropped the prices of the movies and picked up Disney they would win. I just refuse even at $299 - $399 to buy a PS3 just for the BR player. That clearly tells me that Sony would rather force its system on me than give me a player at a good price. I am sure if they could sell a new PS3 for $300 - $400 bucks they could easily sell a BR player for $150 - $250. So until that happens the average consumer won't even look at BR. The average consumer will buy DVD before they even consider digital downloads. Those suck all around in my opinion.

[readmore]

QUOTE(jaynigs @ Jan 3 2008, 08:39 PM)

Digital downloads will only win when everyone can download at warp speed, ( ie quicker than they can go buy it from a store ) as technology advances, so does the disc capacaties etc, downloading will always be too slow! much quicker to nip to the store and grab the disc and the packaging that a lot of people love to own!

Your there with your wife/gf whatever and you want to watch a movie! do you wait an hour or 2 for it to download? or do you just jump in the car and go to blockbuster?

Not only that, but i currently do not see any money savings by using digital downloads! microsoft are trying to kill the idea off by sheer greed!

I LAUGHED when i saw the price for a 24 hour movie license on xbox live! they must think people are mugs!

They can try and disguise the real cost with the silly microsoft points system, but doesn't take a genius to do the maths!

Dump the points crap! and let people pay with real currency!

I think you will still be able to go to a video store and grab a movie/video. However it won't be in a DVD or other optical disc format. You'll either plug in your high capacity USB hub into a kiosk and zap it to your drive or purchase it on its own flash memory drive. The future is not in optical discs. Just like we went from magnetic tape to optical disc, there will be a medium change in the VERY near future.

[tabsaid]

QUOTE(warmaster_670 @ Jan 3 2008, 04:30 PM)

welcome to the world of buisness, everything is full of drm

This is changing, the average consumer finally caught on.  Even itunes is going drm free.  BD+ is a clear step backwards.

This post has been edited by tabsaid: Jan 3 2008, 11:25 PM

[feflicker]

HD-DVD is clearly the winner. It's a shame that Blu-Ray has so much backing... I don't think the war will last long, because soon there will be dual format players that are affordable. In the meantime only a/v enthusiasts are buying this crap anyway...

[prplehz]

What a hoser Sony fan boy!  Blu Ray isn't even finalized and he thinks this should be the format winner? What a douche bag.  It is gonna suck when Blu Ray 2.0 comes out and everone with a non upgradable player has to buy a new  Blu Ray player just to use the 2.0 features.  That ought to win over all those Blu Ray customers all right...  It seems to me the only advantage for Blu Ray is the amount of data it can hold.  Big deal if a Blu Ray disk holds a ton of data. You don't need that much data space for a movie.  And if the Blu Ray disks don't work properly what is the point of them holding any data at all?   LONG LIVE HDDVD, LMAO!!!

This post has been edited by prplehz: Jan 4 2008, 12:29 AM

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Dopotoa @ Jan 3 2008, 03:50 PM)

Betamax / VHS.

Do people know why VHS won this war?
Basically due to the fact there was more porn on VHS then betamax!

Obviously you don't know why, because you just repeated internet here say. VHS won because the major rental companies backed it ans stocked more films on VHS than Beta.

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HD-DVD is clearly the winner.

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[0794]

QUOTE(readmore @ Jan 3 2008, 04:17 PM)

I think you will still be able to go to a video store and grab a movie/video. However it won't be in a DVD or other optical disc format. You'll either plug in your high capacity USB hub into a kiosk and zap it to your drive or purchase it on its own flash memory drive. The future is not in optical discs. Just like we went from magnetic tape to optical disc, there will be a medium change in the VERY near future.

agreed, although optical will be around for a while, i can easily see it's demise in favor of other distribution methods coming...just like the music CD...remember those?  now there are tons of methods to purchase music that don't involve the CD...movies are similar just larger data files...and technology is catching up in both storage and distribution...

QUOTE(feflicker @ Jan 3 2008, 04:38 PM)

HD-DVD is clearly the winner. It's a shame that Blu-Ray has so much backing... I don't think the war will last long, because soon there will be dual format players that are affordable. In the meantime only a/v enthusiasts are buying this crap anyway...

exactly, except that i am not sure that there really is anything close to a "clear winner" right now.  HD on optical discs is nice, but very expensive for both players and media and thus the adoption rate for the masses is still very low for a technology that has been around for a while...

[prplehz]

I thought betamax died because the tapes were only an hour long. What good is that to the movie industry?  Heck it was dead before it was born, lol..

[spamenigma]

'Serenity' clearly the best film ever is HD-DVD only! the war is already won! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This post has been edited by spamenigma: Jan 4 2008, 03:36 AM