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Matthew 28 "19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." |
That's funny that you guys are the only ones that do that....
Because actually right now I'm living in South Dallas, helping the poor and drug addicted and telling them about Jesus Christ. Guess what, i actually preached a sermon last night, and I talked to a guy afterwords who wants to get baptized.
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That was from the New International Version. The one we use is called "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures" the only difference in mine from that is "to the conclusion of the system of things". |
Only in this verse. But if the difference between this verse and the one in the NIV is that different, how different must the whole BIBLE be???
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So you speak Greek. I mean you must right? You arent just going by what your Bible says? |
That's funny, because one of the missionaries on my team took Greek as a major......Oh, and he speaks German.....
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I AM is not a name! |
It's not?
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What god said to Moses after he ask what to say to the sons of Israel if they ask his name: 14At this God said to Moses: "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE." And he added: "This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, 'I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to you.' That was from the translation I use at home. |
And this is exactly what Christ said. He said, before Abraham was born, "I AM".
If he said anything less than this, the Jews wouldn't accuse him of blasphemy and attempt to stone him.....
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(Je·ho´vah) [the causative form, the imperfect state, of the Heb. verb ha·wah´ (become); meaning "He Causes to Become"].
The personal name of God. (Isa 42:8; 54:5) Though Scripturally designated by such descriptive titles as "God," "Sovereign Lord," "Creator," "Father," "the Almighty," and "the Most High," his personality and attributes-who and what he is-are fully summed up and expressed only in this personal name.-Ps 83:18.
Correct Pronunciation of the Divine Name. "Jehovah" is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although "Yahweh" is favored by most Hebrew scholars. The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present the name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek te·tra-, meaning "four," and gram´ma, "letter"). These four letters (written from right to left) are ? and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH). |
Yes, but what is incorrect about this, is in translation from Hebrew, there are no vowels. Jehovah is not Hebrew. YHWH is an accurate translation, but Jehovah is a mistranslation that originally comes from German.
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So the translation Yahweh or the English pronunciation Jehovah literly means: "He Causes to Become" or "I am the one who brings into being" Not "I AM". That is part of a sentance or and introduction " Hi I am Mitch". |
"I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE"
this is the same thing as "I AM". We are argueing about translations. These can all be translated differently, but what it comes down to is Jesus calling himself God and not just a son. Again, I repeat, if Jesus had said anything less, he would not have been accused of blasphemy and almost stoned.
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Plus what about the scripures that said Jesus was the son of God like: After Jesus was baptized at Matthew 3:17 "Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: 'This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.'"
Or John 3:16: For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. 18 He that exercises faith in him is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God. 19 |
I don't doubt nor disagree that the Bible calls Jesus, God's son. But he is not literally God's son. It's the only way we can understand it in reference to God being a father.
In the same vein that you are using,
"For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." - John 5:18
This verse right here has Jesus calling himself Son, but implying that he was God. Straight from the Bible....
Not only this, but Jesus's actions such as forgiving sins, healing, etc....were thought to the Jews of the day as things that only God could do.
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But you being a "jesusphreak" all ready knew that right? |
Nice cheapshot. :/
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So for you sake, I'd really do some study on Jehovah's Witnesses and what we (i.e. I) believe and what Christianity based on the Bible really believes.
You can do that here: http://www.watchtowe...=article_03.htm |
I really am not interested. I know what the Bible teaches. According to the Bible, it is the Word of God. That's all I need to know. I don't need the Watchtower to tell me how I must interpret or see the Bible...
I take instruction, but I am not obligated to follow any group's interpretation.
BTW, something to chew on:
Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy, and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to.
Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.
In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" -- "So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?...This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian Witnesses...Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a prophet' of God. It is another thing to prove it." The Watchtower, 4/1/72, p. 197. (See Deut. 18:21)
1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 4, page 621.
1899 "...the battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." The Time Is at Hand, page 101 (1908 edition).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873." The Time Is at Hand, page ii, (forward).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." Millions Now Living Will Never Die, page 89.
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914." The Watchtower 9/1/22, page 262.
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." The Watchtower, page 106 4/1/23.
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year." The Watchtower, 1/1/25, page. 3.
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work." The Watchtower, Sept, 1925 page 262.
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything." The Watchtower, page 232.
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time...and they also learned to quit fixing dates." Vindication, page 338.
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon." The Watchtower, 9/15/41, page 288.
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an end to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing?.. Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them." Awake, 10/8/68.
1968 "Why are you looking forward to 1975?" The Watchtower, 8/15/68, page 494.
If the organization so often in the past has been wrong, what keeps anything it says from being wrong?. Will what you are being taught now change also?