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Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: tangomar on September 15, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
Hi,

would it be possible to port yabause to the XBOX?
There is a PSP port of it that is using dynarec cores for the SH-2 processors and I wonder if that would give any hope for the XBOX as well.

thanks
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: Darknior on September 16, 2010, 01:51:00 AM
Yes, i stand bye it too lol
I think it is possible ...
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: Pulsemasta on September 16, 2010, 02:31:00 AM
This is from Xports request thread regarding Cassini, another Saturn emulator

QUOTE
Cassini/Saturn - While technically the source is available for this Saturn emulator, it is primarily one (very) large assembly file which looks like it was created by simply running the GiriGiri EXE file through a disassembler. Porting x86 assembly to the XBox is not generally a problem, but in this case the code makes all sorts of calls to Windows GDI routines that are not implemented in the XBox SDK. This means that in order to port it, I'd have to implement those API calls myself or try to hand-edit the assembly file. Both of those tasks would be extremely tedious and therefore this project is not something that particularly interests me.


In that long post he never once said the Xbox couldnt handle the Saturn, or that it would run too slow or anything.... which means there may be hope. The only problem would be finding a coder who wants to port Yabause or other.

If the PSP can run it with 333MHz CPU and 32MB of RAM then I would hope the Xbox   tongue.gif

Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: butanebob on September 16, 2010, 08:24:00 PM
I highly doubt the xbox has enough cpu power to run a Saturn emulator. Don't hold your breath...
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: madmab on September 16, 2010, 11:42:00 PM
Well that does bring up a few questions...

How is the yaubuse performance on the PSP?
How is the compatibility in yaubuse?

I've seen dynamic cores really speed things up so you'd be surprised.. But the Saturn was like a mish mash of different processors.  Just think 32x times 5.. laugh.gif
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: Pulsemasta on September 17, 2010, 01:56:00 AM
QUOTE(butanebob @ Sep 17 2010, 03:24 AM) View Post

I highly doubt the xbox has enough cpu power to run a Saturn emulator. Don't hold your breath...


I wouldn't hold my breath on someone porting it, but the Xbox is more than capable of running at least some games as good or better than current ports

Xbox
Processor: Intel Pentium III 733 MHz  
RAM: 64 MB of DDR SDRAM @ 200 MHz
Graphics Processor: 233 MHz nVidia NV2A

Systems that have a Yabause port

Dreamcast
Processor: Hitachi SH4 RISC 200 MHz
Graphics Processor: 100 MHz PowerVR2 CLX2

PSP
Processor: MIPS R4000-based 333 MHz
RAM: 32 MB, or 64MB in the 2000, 3000, and PSPGo models.

Wii
Processor: IBM PowerPC 729 MHz
Graphics Processor: ATI Hollywood 243 MHz


I would say if there was an Xbox port it would be miles ahead of the Dreamcast port, and the PSP.... Wii might be the same

Food for thought  rolleyes.gif
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: hcf on September 17, 2010, 03:34:00 AM
Wow, it would be a dream!! The question asked for madmab is very important. Let's see if anyone can test Yabause in a PSP and tell us how it goes.

If it goes well in a PSP (or even in a Dreamcast) we can dream!! Having a new system emulated would be a great resurrection for the black box...
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: tangomar on September 17, 2010, 09:02:00 AM
QUOTE(madmab @ Sep 16 2010, 10:42 PM) View Post

Well that does bring up a few questions...

How is the yaubuse performance on the PSP?
How is the compatibility in yaubuse?

I've seen dynamic cores really speed things up so you'd be surprised.. But the Saturn was like a mish mash of different processors.  Just think 32x times 5.. laugh.gif


I can only find a few videos on youtube. Some run smooth, others are quite slow.
The other problem is that yabause hasn't had much activity lately (maybe dead).

The PSP porting author said that he designed the recompiler to be portable to other target architectures. He also has in mind some other possible optimizations since the actual SH2 compiler is in fact a Mips compiler instead. If you ask him kindly he might reply to performance/compatibility questions as well.

Another interesting point is that mame is currently developing a "universal dynamic recompiler". Don't know if it could be re-used for all the Saturn CPUs (at least SH2 and 68K).
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: cheema201 on September 18, 2010, 10:17:00 AM
hmmm... Sega Saturn or Sega Pico

Choose your destiny
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: dnyce1987 on September 20, 2010, 11:58:00 PM
SEGA SATURN ALL THE WAY!!! WOOT WOOT! We'll be patiently waiting no hurries wink.gif.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: hcf on September 21, 2010, 01:50:00 AM
Madmab, do you think that it would be usefull to test Yabause for Windows or Linux (or any other emulator for Windows or Linux!!) in a virtual machine made with VMWare or something similar, with similar performance to an Xbox? Maybe it is a more accurate test to see if something can be ported?

I say this because a PSP is less powerfull than a Xbox, so maybe testing Yabause in a PSP is not enough: if Yabause goes bad in a PSP, it does not mean that Xbox is not capable of doing it. Besides, I know that there are newer models named "PSP Slim" and "PSP Lite" with 64 MB RAM, but I don't know anyone who owns them.

The question about testing programs in a Virtual Machine to see whether a program can be ported or not, is valid for every program (not only Yabause). I am thinking about future emulators (Nintendo DS emulator for Xbox?) or programs (Flash players?)
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: jojones88 on September 22, 2010, 08:48:00 AM
There is no way it would be worth all the time put in coding to play the 1 or 2 games that could possibly be playable...
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: cheema201 on September 22, 2010, 09:50:00 PM
I am slightly in league with jojones88.. though that is only if compatibility would be unstable. I think it would definately be prudent to test yabause on a machine with similar specs to the xbox, to gauge some sort of idea as to the limits of compatibility.

Even then, if more than a handful of games were playable on the xbox then it would be yet another great addition to the scene. Many people think that the xbox is dead, but look at how much attention hyper eyes port of doom has brought! This may yet be the last emulator ported to the original xbox, who knows.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: hcf on September 23, 2010, 03:06:00 AM
The last emulator? Don't forget Sega Pico!!!  jester.gif

Speaking seriously... I like to think that there are lots of emulators still coming. For example an emulator of the PC-9801 maybe will be feasible in the future  smile.gif  

And even I have faith in having a Flash player in the future. I have seen recently some implementations of Flash based on Javascript (for example smokescreen). Maybe in the future the code can be ported from Javascript to C# and compiled for a Xbox. Who knows...

The Xbox is far from dead!!!  biggrin.gif
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: tangomar on September 23, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
XBOX emulation depends on the people interest. I agree that the Saturn might not add many titles to the one already available for PS1 and N64. Also Saturn was kind of a flop back in the days and a difficult machine to deal with.

But, what can be emulated anymore? Dreamcast and PS2 are out of reach IMO.

Long life to xbox1 emulation scene.

Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: Q3A-TaNK on September 29, 2010, 04:07:00 PM
What about these emulators?

Atari Jaguar (Virtual Jaguar)
NEC PC-FX (Mednafen)
ZiNC or psxMAME (PSX Based Arcade Board)
A better PSX Emulator if possible (PCSXbox is pretty frustating to setup and crashes quite abit and cant handle CDs nor Redbook Audio games too well)


Saturn to me would be possible but might not be worth it. Look at the Yabuse port for the Wii. SSF is the best Saturn emu to date IMO but still needs a hefty CPU/GPU combo to run efficiently. Also i dont think SSF is open source also. 3DO would be another system i like to see but once again FreeDO is the only emu and its not open source. FreeDO seems to be dead since 2004 with the updates.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: Xboxer64 on September 29, 2010, 09:30:00 PM
Any emulation work on the xbox would be great but.........

I would be happier if any energy that might be put towards the saturn be put towards improving n64 and ps1 emulation instead  smile.gif
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: guybird on October 01, 2010, 10:31:00 AM
Oh jeez, only 3 games on Saturn worth playing?  Not hardly, although there's a huge chunk that's covered by working psx ports, or arcade games that were far superior on Saturn playing even better in FBA.  So lets look at the games left that AREN'T available elsewhere:

Fighters Megamix/Fighting Vipers/Virtual Fighters - Probably the main reason to have the emu ported
Nights
Daytona Usa's - Eh nowadays, but still the Mario for the Saturn
Panzer Dragoon's
Sonic Jam - Yes this has seemingly been ported a 1000 times across different consoles, but apparently it has some features that aren't present in many of the current sonic collections
Sonic R
Virtua Cops
Virtua Racing
And last but not least, Space Hulk Vengeance Of The Blood Angels (Psx versions works, but all in game speech is garbeled  grr.gif the superior 3do version obviously has no emu to play it on, and although its rumored to exist, I can't find a Dos version to work with DosXbox)

So there you go, sure not 20+ games after you take out all the psx and FBA compatibile games that made the Saturn awesome, but still some good games.  I'm sure there's some good/obscure RPG's that purists could probably point out too.  While we're at it, lets look at some of the other non ported systems based on the # of good games they have:

Atari Jaguar

Aliens Vs Predator - That's it folks!  Good Night!  Seriously though that's pretty much it, and thanks to SirLemonHead, we have the vastly superior PC version to play now.

Dreamcast

Jeez, lets see here:
Soul Calibur
NFL/NBA 2K's
Sonic Adventures
Godzilla Generations (Jap only release, yes I loved it as it was one of the few games I had on my imported Jap only DC so sue me)
Fighting Vipers 2
Power Stones
Resident Evil Code Veronica
Typing Of The Dead
Virtua Cop
Virtua Fighter
A lot of CPS3 games (Jojo, SF3, CVS, etc) although we have emu for those
Lots of SNK Games
Once again, Psx/FBA compatible games really eat into its main attraction list

3DO

Captain Quazar
Jurassic Park Interactive
Plumber's Don't Wear Ties - Eh? Eh?  No takers?  Ok fine
Return Fire - Available for Psx but come on, made the 3do an awesome system
Star Wars Rebel Assualt - Probably looks much better than the Sega CD version
And finally Space Hulk!

So yeah, when it comes down to it, it would be great for completeness to have these systems running great, but really in order of total number of good games, it looks like Dreamcast, Saturn, 3do then Jaguar.  And the Dreamcast will never run on the xbox's specs, Saturn maybe, 3do Maybe, and Jaguar IS ported although it was a proof of concept and ran like shit according to Xport/Lantus/Whoever ported it (its been awhile).
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: dballs442 on October 01, 2010, 11:24:00 AM
QUOTE(guybird @ Oct 1 2010, 10:31 AM) View Post


Dreamcast

Jeez, lets see here:
Soul Calibur
NFL/NBA 2K's
Sonic Adventures
Godzilla Generations (Jap only release, yes I loved it as it was one of the few games I had on my imported Jap only DC so sue me)
Fighting Vipers 2
Power Stones
Resident Evil Code Veronica
Typing Of The Dead
Virtua Cop
Virtua Fighter
A lot of CPS3 games (Jojo, SF3, CVS, etc) although we have emu for those
Lots of SNK Games
Once again, Psx/FBA compatible games really eat into its main attraction list


dont forget virtual tennis. best tennis game ever! one of my all time favs too. and worms armogendon.

also Panzer Dragoon's is ported as a homebrew.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: guybird on October 01, 2010, 10:20:00 PM
Yes I realize that the newer AVP port (which is older than AVP2 and the latest & greatest PS3/360 version) isn't the same, but it was an attempt to gloss over the lack of a good # of games worth playing on the Jag.  Obviously AVP was THE reason to own a Jag, hands down, I still wish I had the cart to play on mine (one of these days I'll grab one from ebay).  Yes these old abandoned and for the most part universally ignored (not by anyone who actually owned one of them of course) have some great and rare games, but for the most part, it isn't a huge library that we're missing out on.  I'd of course be more than welcome to have ports for all of these systems, but once again, unfortunately its probably not gonna happen on the xbox.  On the other hand though, look at something like MS Dos, where we've had a decent port forever now, and very little attention is paid to it although it has a HUGE number of unique games available.  I mean me an Madmab have gotten to the point where we have 150+ games setup, and probably 90% are unique and available on no other console, and 10% are games where the dos version is vastly superior to the console ports.  I don't think that emulating any of these systems is gonna yield us a large game selection, and really is only going to cater to the handful of people that played that one game.  Really what kills it is the uniformity of the ports between the 3do/Psx/Saturn.  MOST of the time, there wasn't a huge difference between the systems, except mainly with Capcom Fighting games where the Saturn had the edge.  Otherwise we're probably better off trying other ways to "port" these games via DOS, or Psx versions, or even Linux versions of the emu's.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: IronOx81 on October 02, 2010, 05:38:00 AM
The problem with DOS is that gaming on the PC only became really popular with Windows 95... many console players of today have little to no experience with DOS-games.

I´m still waiting for my Xbox to arrive, as I bought it specifically for the awesome emulators. I am a bit concerned about DOS though, seeing that I never used DOS and I expect configuration and loading games might require more than the selection of a ROM file console emulators do. And I guess the fear of having to meddle with DOS commands is keeping other people from even trying.

What are some of the games you think are much superior to their console ports btw? I don´t know that many DOS-games beside the adventures that can be played via Scumm VM also and fps like Doom or Duke Nukem, but those got equal or improved console-ports in later years.


Overall, I am really thankful for the emulator-development for the Xbox. I love the Lynx for example, and as little regarded as the system is having a Lynx-emu is actually a main reason for my interest in the Xbox. It is great that even systems of little popularity did get emulation treatment on the Xbox so far.

In the same vain is my wish for a Jaguar emulator. I know that many people don´t care, but there is also the little hope that having a decent emulator available somewhere actually might attract a few people to try it out instead of just repeating the common phrases about how much it sucks. I believe many of these people never really played on the system, and one reason is the lack of any decent emulator even on PC. Eventhough the Jaguar´s software overall is below average, there are some gems to be played and I think it would be nice to have them more readily available.
And damn, I sold my Jaguar CD... but I´d love to play the beta of Black Ice/White Noise for example, a cyberpunk adventure that was really extremely promising.

But I do understand that it is probably just too much work for the few people who will actually use it. But that´s the destiny of the Xbox I guess; it is long out of stores now, and the difficulty to obtain both infos on homebrew (it´s just too much^^) and the problem of most stuff only being available via FTP won´t help attract many new users I´m afraid. sad.gif
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: guybird on October 02, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
The biggest problem for me was that I never could find any Jaguar games.  I bought both my 3do and my Jaguar at a pawn shop some time after '97 (after the systems were officially dead) and bought what games I could find there.  3do you could find games everywhere for, and sometimes get lucky and find a bin of 3do games for $5 apiece at EB games.  Jaguar games though, hell, I don't think I've every actually seen one in a box before, let alone finding a used copy somewhere.  In any case, buying one used got me AVP, and it was quite obvious it was THE game to own.  If you can even find one near your town, find an old school video game trading store, one that has retro consoles.  Look around and see what systems you can find games for.  Sure you'll see tons of Dreamcast, a handful of Saturn, tons and tons of old Atari 2600 and NES carts, but I bet no Jaguar games.  Maybe 1 or 2 3do games, probably not in a box but in a generic clear cd case.  Until there is a good port of a Jaguar emu, this mindset of Jaguar is crap will probably remain, because most people haven't played or even seen one, let alone played more than 1 or 2 games on it.

Back to Dos though.  For those not in the know, DOS was the old Microsoft OS before Windows, and was nothing but command line.  Being a PC and not a console, there were TONS and tons of games ported to it.  At the time, most popular games were ported to it alongside consoles, minus the obvious Mario & Sonic games (At first anyhow).  In wasn't until the later half of the 90's when Windows 95 came out that fewer games were being ported to it until it was discontinued around '98 I think.  So the games you have on DOS are very varied, there's a lot of very early games that were never ported to a console (Corridor 7, ComQmander Keen, original Duke Nukems), then you get into games that were on every system (Aladdin, Street Fighters, etc in the Genesis, SNES days), then you get into cd based games that were only available on 3do at first, but eventually made their way to the Playstation and Saturn once they were released (Gex, Return Fire, Battle Chess, the original Need For Speed), and then finally the final days when Windows had taken over there were a handful of awesome games (Blood, System Shock, C&C).  So there are literally 1,000's of games, and we've been using it to fill in the gaps of games never ported elsewhere, and in some cases where the pc version was much much better (Lemmings, Aladdin, XCOM, etc).  Here's a handful of games that are the "cream of the crop" so to speak:

Corridor 7 - Ran on the Wolf3d engine, very good doom/wolf game
Battle Chess series - I knew this from the 3do, but there's 4 games/styles in the series
Old MECC games - Most of the games we knew and loved from the Apple II days in school were ported to dos, so Oregon Trail, Word Munchers, and other similar educational games like Carmen Sandiego are all here
Blood - One of the best shooters of its time, still plays very well today
Elder Scrolls 1 & 2 - Pretty good games, but obviously not Morrowind/Oblivion level
Kings Quest series - Old RPG's
Leisure Suit Larry series
Might & Magic/AD&D series - Tons and tons of old RPG's here
Raptor Call of the Shadows - Great 1942/Strikers style shooter
Sim City's - Yes these have appeared on consoles here and there, but the DOS versions are much much better
Space Hulk - The original (not the 3do/Saturn/Psx version which was #2) wasn't ported to any console
Star Wars series - Tie Fighter, Dark Forces, etc
Ultima series
Wing Commander series
Warcraft 1 & 2
X-Com
System Shock - Bioshock predecessor
Command & Conquer

And yes the current DosXbox is a pain to configure, and unreliable, but Madmab has added so many new features to it, it won't even look the same anymore.  Once we finish tidying up what we have, we'll release our pack of preconfigured gamesmedia as an xtras pack, and hopefully, adding new games from that point on will be easier for people.  Phew!  Lots of typing!
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: Xboxer! on October 03, 2010, 07:58:00 AM
A port of Yabause emulator for  the xbox would not be bad but I think it would work sloooww... The PSX emulator does not work normal, idem Nintendo 64 emulator. But there is something I love to see, that's an Xbox port of ePSXe!!
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: hcf on October 04, 2010, 06:05:00 AM
Well, Sega Saturn had many other good games in every genre, that were not ported to other systems (at least, not ported to other systems that are emulated in Xbox). For example:

* Sega Rally Championship: a great racing game, only ported to Windows

* Sega Worldwide Soccer: a great soccer game, only ported to Windows and with a later version in Dreamcast

* Saturn Bomberman: probably the best multi-player bomberman ever made, but only available in Saturn

* Dragon Force: what a game of strategy!! Ported to Playstation 2

* Bust-a-move 3: this was ported to PSX, but it does not work properly in the PSX emulator (the music crashes)

And so on... So having a Saturn emulator would be very nice indeed (if possible)  smile.gif
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: jojones88 on October 05, 2010, 11:50:00 PM
Yabause Wii is only running around 5-15 fps.

Check out Castlevania SOTN running...

Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: cheema201 on October 07, 2010, 07:02:00 AM
QUOTE(IronOx81 @ Oct 3 2010, 10:59 AM) *

Aladdin? How was the DOS-version much better? The MD-version was quite excellent, hard to imagine how anything save a higher resolution could be better...especially controls.


Aladdin is one of my all time favourite games. Had it on genisis and always loved it... the feeling of playing it in DOS is amazing. The viewpoint is nice and close, the music is of amazing quality. The apple throw is different (I think it makes it a little harder, seems to be loopier, not so straight). And I think that most enemies take one more sword slash to defeat (I could be way off on that one, I am going from memory)

Basically DOS and amiga versions usually used better music files and stuff than their console counter parts (until psx and such came into the picture)

You will definately love the DOS.. Lets not forget Jazz Jackrabbit. A platform game, which incorporates speed with shooting.

DOS all the way.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: Clockface on November 25, 2010, 08:06:00 AM
Some other brilliant DOS games that never appeared anywhere else are:

Blood,
Shadow Warriors,
Carmageddon.

Well, Carmageddon did appear on other machines, but the ports were rubbish, and only the PC version is worth playing (but it's extremely good, though too easy) - I really wish we could play it on the XBox. Shadow Warrior's source code was released by 3D Realms, and thanks to a500 we have a great homebrew port for the XBox (the same with the fantastic Duke Nukem 3D) that even plays user mods, any first person shooter fan on the XBox should have the DN3D and SW ports permanently installed on their hard drives!

Also, Ive not played Alien vs, Predator on the Jaguar, but I have AvP 1 and 2 (PC) and the latest one (XBox 360), and of the three, the original one is by far the best, and the XBox port is great, though still needs some work. I'm still really hoping that SirLemonhead releases an update soon.

And yes, I do wish System Shock 2 was playable on the XBox. I loved the second one (PC), but don't like playing games on a PC.

I wish that FreeDOS had been ported to the XBox. It's open source, so probably could have been, so then maybe we'd be able to play DOS games at full speed, I don't know, instead of having to emulate DOS in DOSBox.

Some other brilliant DOS games that never appeared anywhere else are:

Blood,
Shadow Warriors,
Carmageddon.

Well, Carmageddon did appear on other machines, but the ports were rubbish, and only the PC version is worth playing (but it's extremely good, though too easy) - I really wish we could play it on the XBox. Shadow Warrior's source code was released by 3D Realms, and thanks to a500 we have a great homebrew port for the XBox (the same with the fantastic Duke Nukem 3D) that even plays user mods, any first person shooter fan on the XBox should have the DN3D and SW ports permanently installed on their hard drives!

Also, Ive not played Alien vs, Predator on the Jaguar, but I have AvP 1 and 2 (PC) and the latest one (XBox 360), and of the three, the original one is by far the best, and the XBox port is great, though still needs some work. I'm still really hoping that SirLemonhead releases an update soon.

And yes, I do wish System Shock 2 was playable on the XBox. I loved the second one (PC), but don't like playing games on a PC.

I wish that FreeDOS had been ported to the XBox. It's open source, so probably could have been, so then maybe we'd be able to play DOS games at full speed, I don't know, instead of having to emulate DOS in DOSBox.

Some other brilliant DOS games that never appeared anywhere else are:

Blood,
Shadow Warriors,
Carmageddon.

Well, Carmageddon did appear on other machines, but the ports were rubbish, and only the PC version is worth playing (but it's extremely good, though too easy) - I really wish we could play it on the XBox. Shadow Warrior's source code was released by 3D Realms, and thanks to a500 we have a great homebrew port for the XBox (the same with the fantastic Duke Nukem 3D) that even plays user mods, any first person shooter fan on the XBox should have the DN3D and SW ports permanently installed on their hard drives!

Also, Ive not played Alien vs, Predator on the Jaguar, but I have AvP 1 and 2 (PC) and the latest one (XBox 360), and of the three, the original one is by far the best, and the XBox port is great, though still needs some work. I'm still really hoping that SirLemonhead releases an update soon.

And yes, I do wish System Shock 2 was playable on the XBox. I loved the second one (PC), but don't like playing games on a PC.

I wish that FreeDOS had been ported to the XBox. It's open source, so probably could have been, so then maybe we'd be able to play DOS games at full speed, I don't know, instead of having to emulate DOS in DOSBox.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: BlueSlingShot on February 02, 2020, 06:17:00 PM
I believe Nes6502 responded to a Saturn emulator request in the past and he said it totally would not be worth it, due to hardware limitations it would only run at max like 15fps.

Unless you have a Trusty xbox with a cpu upgrade, I don't think this is worth the time and effort IMO.

We should try to improve on the current emus that need some tweaking like pcsxbox and some of the new madmab emus before jumping the gun and try to port over an entirely new system.

Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: robot3 on February 03, 2020, 12:23:00 PM
with all of this possible emu talk, let us not forget that a newer vextrex emu that supports sound would be great as well as someone creating a or adding it so Sega 32x cd games could be played
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: waal on February 03, 2020, 01:02:00 PM
I second that. A proper vectrex emu with overlay support would be fine.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: weinerschnitzel on February 03, 2020, 01:03:00 PM
I'm very sure you can play Sega 32x on NeoGenesis.

As for Saturn, it's been ported to PSP and Dreamcast which are lower end systems. I haven't seen any tests for it on a machine with near xbox specs, so someone would really have to try it out to be certain. It would be a shame if someone spent all the time porting this to find out it does in fact crawl on older machines.

Xport and Nes6502 have some input on this thread: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=563387

Thats about a 4 year old topic though, how far has Yabause come since then?

Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: VampX on November 26, 2010, 08:28:00 PM
QUOTE(weinerschnitzel @ Nov 26 2010, 10:03 PM) View Post

I'm very sure you can play Sega 32x on NeoGenesis.


He said 32X... CD! as in games that were released on CD but needed the 32X as well.

Didn't even know those weren't supported, shows you how little i emulate these days.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: robot3 on November 30, 2010, 12:39:00 PM
QUOTE(VampX @ Nov 27 2010, 04:28 AM) View Post

He said 32X... CD! as in games that were released on CD but needed the 32X as well.

Didn't even know those weren't supported, shows you how little i emulate these days.



yeah for whatever reason the 32x cd games were never supported on the xbox, not sure if it was from a system limitation or just no one tried to really have a go at it
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: freakdave on January 06, 2011, 05:59:00 PM
Any updates on this topic ?

I'm just curious  huh.gif
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: cbagy on January 07, 2011, 02:58:00 AM
Come now, let's move along, nothing to see here  tongue.gif
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: FrankMorris on January 07, 2011, 05:33:00 AM
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Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: weinerschnitzel on January 07, 2011, 11:15:00 AM
I saw a video I'm sure, but was it a hoax?
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Post by: freakdave on January 10, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
QUOTE(weinerschnitzel @ Jan 7 2011, 07:15 PM) View Post

I saw a video I'm sure, but was it a hoax?


Ok, after some search i finally found a video which might be the one you are talking about:

http://freakdave.xbo...m/YBX_BFEST.flv

I don't think it's a hoax, it looks pretty authentic to me  laugh.gif
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Post by: hcf on January 11, 2011, 06:11:00 AM
QUOTE(freakdave @ Jan 10 2011, 09:14 PM) View Post

Ok, after some search i finally found a video which might be the one you are talking about:

http://freakdave.xbo...m/YBX_BFEST.flv

I don't think it's a hoax, it looks pretty authentic to me  laugh.gif


 blink.gif
Where did you find that video?
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Post by: Xboxer! on January 12, 2011, 02:04:00 AM
seems real enough  ohmy.gif
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Post by: tangomar on January 14, 2011, 01:35:00 PM
It seems to good to be true.

If it is real, I wonder if it is using the dynarec core created for the PSP branch (only so far).
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Post by: OD420 on January 18, 2011, 06:50:00 PM
What about SSF? i thought work on the yabause emulator stopped long ago but i could be wrong as i was not a fan of it for playing shining force 3. and a saturn emulator on the black box that could only play sf3 and its other scenarios would be worth it let alone any other games that would work. im actually playing thru the game right now on my computer wishing i could lay in bed and play it on my black box
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Post by: freakdave on January 22, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
I think for SF3 it would be far too slow (i'm thinking of 3D here).
But you might wanna check out this youtube video, seems pretty real if you ask me love.gif

http://www.youtube.c...ature=topvideos

I must be dreaming...

Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: weinerschnitzel on January 22, 2011, 11:34:00 AM

Or you you have a very projective imagination
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Post by: freakdave on January 24, 2011, 01:34:00 AM
QUOTE(OD420 @ Jan 24 2011, 05:13 AM) View Post

as far as the video goes its only shows them play castlevania SOTN which can already be emulated very well with pcsxbox. so im not going to get too excited


You obviously haven't watched the full video  rolleyes.gif
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Post by: Mega Man (?) on January 24, 2011, 02:32:00 AM
Well i don't think any one here would want anyone else to get.... "too excited".... laugh.gif
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Post by: weinerschnitzel on January 24, 2011, 11:17:00 PM
QUOTE(OD420 @ Jan 24 2011, 08:57 PM) View Post

at the beginning of the vid when they are in xbmc the date shows jan i think of 2004(and they are connected to the internet so the time should correct). unless they have been working on it for the past seven years and are still not done(very unlikely) then i doubt this video will lead to anything other than wishful thinking.


Yep its a fake.  Its gotta be those assholes from 2004 with their time machines and their RSS feeds from the future...

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Post by: OD420 on January 25, 2011, 05:48:00 PM
QUOTE(weinerschnitzel @ Jan 25 2011, 01:17 AM) View Post

Yep its a fake.  Its gotta be those assholes from 2004 with their time machines and their RSS feeds from the future...



LOL, weinerschnitzel in which part of my post did i say the video was fake?  MadMab i understand that when xbox is unplugged it resets the time but when mine is connected to the internet the time is auto corrected so i assumed the date should be correct and the RSS feed does talk about Ipad and ITV so i must be somewhat recent. all i said was that "i doubt the video will lead to anything besides wishful thinking" (damn i hate repeating myself for ignorant people)bc the emulator appears to be working very poorly, especially in 3d game action. also i dont think it will lead anywhere bc i think that yabause is a poor emulator to begin with. if u have something to point out that i didnt see or didnt think of post it with some respect instead of being an ass
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Post by: YRUSirius on January 25, 2011, 07:41:00 PM
What about giving it some time? Or how about giving a helping hand? wink.gif

-YRUSirius
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Post by: madmab on February 03, 2020, 12:29:00 AM
QUOTE(OD420 @ Jan 25 2011, 07:48 PM) *

LOL, weinerschnitzel in which part of my post did i say the video was fake?  MadMab i understand that when xbox is unplugged it resets the time but when mine is connected to the internet the time is auto corrected so i assumed the date should be correct and the RSS feed does talk about Ipad and ITV so i must be somewhat recent. all i said was that "i doubt the video will lead to anything besides wishful thinking" (damn i hate repeating myself for ignorant people)bc the emulator appears to be working very poorly, especially in 3d game action. also i dont think it will lead anywhere bc i think that yabause is a poor emulator to begin with. if u have something to point out that i didnt see or didnt think of post it with some respect instead of being an ass
Well with assholes like you reacting like this it's surprised anybody would want to release anything for the xbox..   (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jester.gif)

Oh and yes I had no way of knowing you knew about the xbox resetting the date.

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe the person does not have his xbox hooked up to the net, or using a dash that sets the date off the net, or even has that option activated?

As for the SDK app launcher I'm not even sure if it defaults to setting the date off the net.  I run the SDK launcher alot and have numerous files in my "devkit" folders with incorrect dates.

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Post by: weinerschnitzel on January 26, 2011, 12:35:00 AM
Didn't mean for it to come off like that, sorry. I'm trying to troll a certain other person that makes such elaborate hoaxes that the Myth Busters have trouble testing for validity. Nothing at you OD420 wink.gif
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Post by: Mega Man (?) on January 26, 2011, 12:44:00 AM
I like weinerschnizel's signature banner...
Does any one else like his sig...?

come on people... its a great sig. biggrin.gif

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Post by: madmab on February 03, 2020, 12:46:00 AM
Ignore the comment about the SDK app launcher.. I was thinking of another yabause video floating around.
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Post by: cbagy on February 03, 2020, 12:30:00 PM
Well, i have been watching this thread for a while and while im a SEGA fan no doubt, i have to agree with some of the members comments. This could be a great hoax as video is easy to manipulate, however, if someone did record a different format of video game ie- PSX and pretended it was from a Saturn then they have done a fantastic job. I could go into detail but i can't be bothered. What i did find when i looked into the finer points of the video was the key frame intervals and how they are layed out ( a good indicator of edit points). What i found was that the keyframe intervals are seamless, not impossible to fake but a hell of a lot of work just for a laugh, so in my humble opinion i think this "could" be genuine.
Arguing and biting each others heads off in frustration isn't constructive at all, in fact if this video is a genuine take on someones early efforts at a port to xbox then great BUT.... what the dev doesn't want to see is people trying to shoot each other down with info from a Wiki they have just Googled (lot's of those experts about, some well established and respected names, i'll say no more) what we need to see is people with genuine interest in seeing a project like this gain wings and fly, which means, shut up and grow up.
In fact i suppose a project like this may never see the light of day on Xbox due to it's limited (but adequate till now) power, the PS3 offers more power for the modern emu fan.
Lets not argue about the f******g clock n date, lets see if this thing is real and encourage the dev with some positive attitude and help, damn xbox dev's are a bit thin on the ground, let's not scare off any new ones who want to join a small community.
While this thing (if genuine) probably will never run 100% on an xbox it still may have a life span that will cross over to the next generation of homebrew machines ie- PS3.
 Food for thought.
Well thats my 10 bobs worth (2 cents, 60 Euros, 20,000,000 yen, whatever)
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Post by: waal on January 26, 2011, 03:08:00 PM
Yeah guys I did this build and I can tell you that it's 100% genuine. gift.gif
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Post by: YRUSirius on January 26, 2011, 03:30:00 PM
I doubt that. tongue.gif

-YRUSirius
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Post by: cbagy on January 26, 2011, 04:15:00 PM
QUOTE(waal @ Jan 26 2011, 10:08 PM) View Post

Yeah guys I did this build and I can tell you that it's 100% genuine. gift.gif



"NO, I AM SPARTACUS"
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Post by: madmab on January 27, 2011, 01:15:00 AM
QUOTE(waal @ Jan 26 2011, 05:08 PM) View Post

Yeah guys I did this build and I can tell you that it's 100% genuine. gift.gif
We love you waal!

 jester.gif
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Post by: cheema201 on January 27, 2011, 09:37:00 AM
QUOTE(waal @ Jan 27 2011, 09:08 AM) View Post

Yeah guys I did this build and I can tell you that it's 100% genuine. gift.gif


Waal should you probly also leak a video of the ps2 emulator you've been working on wink.gif
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Post by: John McClane on January 28, 2011, 01:48:00 PM
would be nice to play nights on a Xbox. tongue.gif
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Post by: OD420 on February 06, 2011, 12:48:00 PM
glad to see this topic is still filled with such meaningful conversions.

@YRU  please let me kno where i can get my hands on some files to help out, i wanna see how far they have gotten and how i can help. so please send them over or pm me a link, i shattered my femur into 9 pieces in june so i have nothing better to do

@madmab  u must have taken my comment about posting like an ass personally and i didnt even mean to direct that towards u bc ur post directed toward me was 100% valid and was said respectfully, the ass was directed toward wiener not u. should have typed up my post a lil better. and if the xbox is not hooked up to the net then the RSS feed wont be visible.

@wiener no harm done man im not sensitive i just dont like being talked down to bc of other peoples posts when im just trying to add to the discussion.


I hope the video is recent and that yabause will be coming to the black box before the scene completely dies for the console that made everything possible in the modern gaming world. but the fact of the matter is that my xbox was originally modded back in june of 03 which is almost a decade ago. Yea, its been that long. As far as i know almost all work on the black box has stopped in favor of the next gen consoles where the limits of the machine are not yet seen. All i was ever questioning was how long has this video been floating around for and if this is truly creditable and is happening right now why is there so little info about it, few people who know about it, and no ask for help? no testers? no questions on past coding efforts to try and get over the obvious difficulty in emulating saturn? i mean my computer has difficulty emulating saturn

everything i say is open for discussion so please fire away
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Post by: Mega Man (?) on February 06, 2011, 01:56:00 PM
QUOTE(OD420 @ Feb 6 2011, 11:48 AM) View Post
the ass was directed toward wiener  

 laugh.gif
QUOTE(OD420 @ Feb 6 2011, 11:48 AM) View Post

 my xbox was originally modded back in june of 03 which is almost a decade ago.

You seem to have alot of things to say about things and you have had a modded box that long...
I am just wondering why you only have 19 post and only joined in 2009...? huh.gif

or have you just been leaching that long..? tongue.gif

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Post by: Mega Man (?) on February 07, 2011, 01:37:00 AM
Not "impossible"...

 tongue.gif
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Post by: cheema201 on February 07, 2011, 09:33:00 AM
hmmm maddog, seems like you found the goods there!

When are we going to see a beta release haha. Did the programmer leave an email? We should try get in touch! give it the madmab treatment haha.

Nice find.

Theres an earlier video aswell
http://emuconsoleexp...ear-future.html

But the date isn't fixed in that one haha... Obviously he is reading this thread!

I'm just gonna put this out there. Waal is testing the emulator for madmab. You slimy dogs!
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Post by: Xboxer! on February 07, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
I trust madmab. this has to be a hoax made by an asshole authentically  rolleyes.gif

Regards.-
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Post by: dnyce1987 on February 07, 2011, 12:01:00 PM
Haha that's funny how he made the next video with the correct date lmao.  Let's hope this picks up some speed because this will be a vast breakout if this sega saturn emu works well.  I hope an improvement to pcsxbox can be done or a more compatible emu can be ported to xbox now that surreal has been getting tweaked to optimal performance and sega saturn is a WIP...let's hope someone can step up and work on the psx emu smile.gif.  LONG LIVE XBOX EMULATION!
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Post by: tangomar on February 07, 2011, 12:15:00 PM
Well, if the emu coder is really reading here: "THANKS!!!. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK IT LOOKS FANTASTIC"

I hope he's willing to add the PSP-branch dynarec core (if not done already). That should give a decent boost to performances.

It looks very good to me.

And for PSX emulation, PCSX (PC version) is getting improved every day. Check their progress at emuforums.
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Post by: freakdave on February 07, 2011, 02:12:00 PM
QUOTE(madmab @ Feb 7 2011, 04:34 PM) View Post

Hmmm... what's this??

http://emuconsoleexp...ox-yabause.html

Guy even changed his date to a current date!  laugh.gif


Don't you think the time has come for you to finally let the cat out of the bag? I mean, things are getting pretty obvious now...  laugh.gif

Come on madmab, give us a release date already  biggrin.gif
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Post by: waal on February 07, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
Yeah. Well said.

We want a release date for dosXbox now. tongue.gif
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Post by: Mega Man (?) on February 07, 2011, 05:02:00 PM
We'll it looks like some of the guys at 1emu are smarter than all of you.
That's all I am gonna say. sleep.gif
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Post by: madmab on February 08, 2011, 07:09:00 AM
All I know is I heard from a little bird that the dynamic compiler in the PSP version is a bitch to compile.
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Post by: cbagy on February 08, 2011, 12:17:00 PM
Someone, somewhere, knows something.
Anyone actually got a copy ?
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Post by: pkbunghole on February 09, 2011, 02:06:00 AM
Well this is pretty promising!

cant wait to try this on my trusty box  muhaha.gif
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Post by: madmab on February 09, 2011, 07:08:00 AM
QUOTE(cbagy @ Feb 8 2011, 02:17 PM) View Post

Someone, somewhere, knows something.
Anyone actually got a copy ?
Yeah.. whoever has it.. cough it up!   pop.gif
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Post by: YRUSirius on February 09, 2011, 09:51:00 AM
Oh, the tension... the tension is killing me... tongue.gif

-YRUSirius
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Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on February 09, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
Albeit I remain skeptical, I am glad to see the interest.

Assuming it is real...
 I hope something comes of it, it would be fun to have.
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Post by: cheema201 on February 14, 2011, 07:24:00 PM
The suspense is terrible... I hope it'll last
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Post by: dnyce1987 on February 19, 2011, 04:43:00 PM
So does ne1 know wat the status is of yabause really is?
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Post by: Xboxer! on February 20, 2011, 01:30:00 AM
this is a lie, this is a hoax. The fat bastard has to be behind all this.

IPB Image

 tongue.gif
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Post by: dnyce1987 on February 20, 2011, 04:22:00 PM
I hope it's not a hoax...there are a lot of great games for sega saturn that I've heard about and would like to play them.  FAT BASTARD I KNEW IT! Funny pic.
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Post by: OD420 on February 21, 2011, 07:59:00 PM
the person who uploaded the video and says they r coding the emulator, username Emperor Coconut, says that they r going to try for a year to get everything working including 3d. They also stated that there is no official site or thread at this moment but the official thread will be at xbox-scene.com in the future. so by the end of september at the latest we should see something official. Hopefully they release whatever data they have because that is the beginnings of a working emulator even if the 3d doesnt work the 2d games looked to work good. the problem with the 3d might be with yabause coding itself and maybe another emulator's coding, like SSF or Cassini, can be added or modified to fix the 3d issues.

either way i want those files i dont care who wrote them or when it was written or anything. until then wait for the official thread to start here or search for the next video release.

if u really want a saturn emulator that bad its time to blow the dust of the notebooks, break out the text books and start coding. if u wanna see the best of saturn on the black box i believe ssf is the key to that whether or not its possible to port it is another thing and i guess nobody will know until i try

Be real, F the BS
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Post by: Xboxer! on February 21, 2011, 09:14:00 PM
blah blah blah.

fat bastard  rotfl.gif
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Post by: freakdave on February 22, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
QUOTE(OD420 @ Feb 22 2011, 03:59 AM) View Post

the person who uploaded the video and says they r coding the emulator, username Emperor Coconut, says that they r going to try for a year to get everything working including 3d. They also stated that there is no official site or thread at this moment but the official thread will be at xbox-scene.com in the future. so by the end of september at the latest we should see something official. Hopefully they release whatever data they have because that is the beginnings of a working emulator even if the 3d doesnt work the 2d games looked to work good. the problem with the 3d might be with yabause coding itself and maybe another emulator's coding, like SSF or Cassini, can be added or modified to fix the 3d issues.

either way i want those files i dont care who wrote them or when it was written or anything. until then wait for the official thread to start here or search for the next video release.

if u really want a saturn emulator that bad its time to blow the dust of the notebooks, break out the text books and start coding. if u wanna see the best of saturn on the black box i believe ssf is the key to that whether or not its possible to port it is another thing and i guess nobody will know until i try

Be real, F the BS


Well then what are you waiting for? Get to work!  laugh.gif
However i don't think you'll come very far with any Saturn emulator other than Yabause.
I might be wrong, but as far as i know Yabause is the only open source Saturn emu out there.
It would be cool to see at least the 2D part running in full speed. Let's hope the author (or whoever posted these videos) will keep us updated with even more footage  pop.gif
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Post by: Mega Man (?) on November 11, 2011, 01:58:00 AM
It's real!
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Post by: Andrew_Roy on November 11, 2011, 07:46:00 AM
QUOTE(Mega Man (?) @ Nov 11 2011, 04:58 AM) View Post

Ironically, and tragically, in fulfilling everyone's request, the emulator ceased to play the one game nes6502 wanted to play all along. - A.Roy (Top Gear III)

I can't believe you've kept this as your sig for 91 years. I can't believe the search function on this board has been broke for 97 years.
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: Pulsemasta on November 11, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
Yabause Ported

http://www.emuxtras....hp?f=183&t=1445


 biggrin.gif
Title: Yabause Porting?
Post by: Mega Man (?) on November 11, 2011, 12:51:00 PM
QUOTE(Andrew_Roy @ Nov 11 2011, 06:46 AM) View Post

I can't believe you've kept this as your sig for 91 years. I can't believe the search function on this board has been broke for 97 years.



lmao,
what can I say....?
You are a poetic comic! laugh.gif  biggrin.gif