Post by: sili on February 12, 2006, 02:36:00 PM
[This thread has been updated from its original content to keep the list current and to add hints/explanations. If you're trying to get a game running, post your question here and i'm sure someone will try to help you]
XDSL is a very lightweight linux install. I recommend all testers try to get your game running under this, using either keo-keo's winex xdsl extension, or if you're feeling ballsy compiling from CVS. I ran into some dep issues I think when I tried to compile it 6 months or so ago, so I've been using gentoox (home, not pro, I work 6 days a week and actually want to use my xbox, compiling blows) with transgaming cedega (The demo version will work for 14 or so days with full function) and It seems to be pretty compatible.
Now before you post, if you've never done anything like this before, there are a few things you should know. No this won't run halflife2, running wine on your xbox will not grow your lost hair back, walk your. dog or do your dishes. There is no 3d support whatsoever...BUT...for years, there was a point in time back in the glory days when you did not need a dedicated videocard to run games. They would use software renderers and put the load on the cpu and other hardware. There were some excellent games such as duke3d(There's a port for this already, don't bother), Blood2, Tribes, Shogo-mad, etc... Check what you have laying around, and give it a try. I'd imagine from 2002 down would be a realistic area to look at.
Before you ask, the reason there is no red option (for not supported) is because I'm not qualified to make that decision. So you can know what the pretty colors I made are for (If they're hard on your eyes, let me know) here is a legend.
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Legend:
Gray - A gray area. This game has no actual compatibility issues (to the best of my knowledge), but a performance hit is taken and the game doesn't run as smooth as it should. Further work with creating a simple wine engine framework is needed, or another way to minimize overhead and increase overall performance. [/color]
Orange - This game had a somewhat serious problem under one or more distros. It could still possibly be playable (Worms for example runs into a problem creating a multiplayer game, but singleplayer works fine). Testing under another distro is needed to narrow down or resolve the problem.
Green - This game is confirmed working by more then 1 person. I may not have tried this out personally, but I'm fairly confident it should work fine, if I havent tried it myself. See the description of the game for more details on working configurations.
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Now on to the reason you're here
Diablo2 on Battle.net - Running (a little slow) under gentoox with transgamings cedega. Logs into battle.net fine using d2loader for v1.11b. I simply installed to the pc, installed nocd patch, verified it was working, and moved it over. deffinatly having some performance problems when there are enemies onscreen. I had this installed way back in the day and running fine back when xebian first started showing promise. The performance was much better, but unfortunatly my dvdrom drive is fubar and I havent looked into a way to cheat and install from HDD, since it isnt supported (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) XDSL would be the better alternative, but I get problems that I can't dedicate a full day to fix.
Starcraft - Look around on the forums for the thread, keo-keo posted a full tutorial I belive that detailed how to get it running. I don't have a copy, don't like RTS games, and will probably never install it...ever.
Worms Armeggedon(demo) - Runs fine with same setup as above, hangs when starting multiplayer game. Singleplayer runs great. I had some problems with this under xdsl with winex.
Worms World Party(demo) - Menu system works fine, crashes when game loads.
The 7th Guest - Playable under Dosxbox by Xport, but choppy while moving between rooms. Playing with frameskip and cycles fixes this to be almost bearable, but still is very noticable.
Age of Empires
Wine
640x480
ingame has frame rate issues, everything's too slow
Alpha Centauri Alien Crossfire (linux version)
Wine
800x600
Business Tycoon
Wine
800x600
Caeser 3
Wine
640x480
Civilization 2 Multiplayer Edition
640x480
cant start a new game, can only load a saved game (just start a new game on your pc then save it then ftp it over to your xbox and load it), runs smoothly
Divi Dead
Wine
640x480
Dune 2000
Cedega Engine 5.1
640x480
runs smoothly, scrolling a map ingame's slower than usual
Fallout
Wine
800x600
Fallout 2
Wine
800x600
Fatal Relations
Wine
640x480
Heroes of Might and Magic 3 (linux version)
Wine
800x600
Simcity 3000
Wine
640x480
runs smoothly, it takes 10-15 seconds to load the underground view (when selecting pipe or subway rail)
Stronghold
Wine
800x600
runs smoothly, scrolling a map ingame's abit slower than usual
Traffic Giant
Cedega 5.1
800x600
Warcraft 2 Battlenet Edition
Wine
640x480
havent tested battlenet online but it runs normal in campgains/single player mode with no issue
Xchange
Wine
640x480
I haven't had much luck getting cedega/wine/winexCVS running under xdsl ( I think it would help lots ), but having alot of problems getting anything to work. There is a previously made xdsl module of winex by Keo-Keo, but I havent had luck with it under xdsl either.
This post has been edited by sili: Feb 26 2006, 10:18 PM
Post by: sili on February 12, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: pdottz on February 12, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
care to give a little help on how you got those games to run? im thinking WINE? reason i ask is cause i'm planning on using a bare minimum xdsl to laucnh win/dos games through. like xmugen.
i think if more people did this we could have LOTS of freeware dos/win/linux games running without the extreme hassle of porting.
currently im trying to get gltron to run under WINE. ( im not knowledgeable enough to get it run in DSL let alone xDSL.
Post by: Chron Johnson on February 12, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
Post by: sili on February 14, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
Most games seem to run, but need to be installed to a pc hdd, apply a nocd patch, then move over to the xbox. I also don't have any problems running games right out of FATX partitions which means you dont have to put that 1.5GB game install inside your 4GB loopback ISO
cmon people, I want to hear what everyone else is doing on the win32 front, I know I cant be the only one
Post by: pdottz on February 15, 2006, 05:46:00 AM
it runs. in a window like it does on xp. but fullscreen can be achieved aswell.
here are my goals so people can help out with this.
can someone make a VERY bare xdsl for us? running X, vm, qjoypad and cedaga? ( maybe a vncserver with some of our default settings so we dont have to use the onscreen keyboard and can vnc into the xbox for testing and compilation purposes.
i already no how to script auto loading in xdsl. this means i can make xdsl autoload cedaga/wine and then have the initrd load wine with the paramater to load a .exe
Post by: guybird on February 15, 2006, 06:48:00 AM
Post by: potman09 on February 15, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
divi dead
dune 2000 (sometimes it freezes, be sure to save often)
sim city 3000 (sometimes it freezes, be sure to save often, im gonna try sim city unlimited linux version later, im sure it works tho, with no freezing issue)
warcraft 2 battlenet edition+expansion (sometimes it freezes, be sure to save often)
civilization 2 multiplayer edition (u can only load a saved game, u cant start a new game or it'll freeze)
caesar 3
xchange
fallout 1
fallout 2
heroes of might and magic 3 (linux version)
alpha centauri alien crossfire (linux version)
and of course starcraft brood war
all of these games has no framerate issue.
your display set config must be set to 800x600 to play all of these linux version games.
gonna post more working games info later.
can u guys give me a tutorial on what kind of cedaga i should get and how to run it in xdsl? i wanna play alot of pc games that doesnt work with wine, wine only has directx6 i guess, most of games i tried with wine said they need directx7 or above.
This post has been edited by potman09: Feb 16 2006, 12:22 AM
Post by: pdottz on February 15, 2006, 05:07:00 PM
Post by: sili on February 15, 2006, 07:11:00 PM
btw, cedega is not a free program, I know, it sucks. You can find copies if you look hard enough(at their website, there's a $5 monthly fee). It works great though, comes with a frontend called "Point-2-Play" which makes sure all the win32 installs go good, manages shortcuts for easy access, etc...
Post by: BanjoK on February 15, 2006, 09:02:00 PM
Post by: hargle on February 16, 2006, 07:53:00 AM
QUOTE(sili @ Feb 16 2006, 03:18 AM) 
Impressive list Potman, It's a shame I can't edit the first post to add them.
Sili,
Just a suggestion, but I think you should start a Wiki for this. THen anyone can edit it and add in their input, change colors, etc.
I have a few items up on www.seedwiki.com and it has worked out quite well so far.
Oh yeah, it's free too.
Post by: BanjoK on February 16, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
This post has been edited by BanjoK: Feb 16 2006, 10:18 PM
Post by: Chron Johnson on February 16, 2006, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: sili on February 16, 2006, 05:06:00 PM
I think we'll need a linux coder to give us some input with what direction would be best to head in...
Geek gods hear our prayer
This post has been edited by sili: Feb 17 2006, 01:06 AM
Post by: sili on February 17, 2006, 06:54:00 AM
Post by: guybird on February 17, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
I'm curious as to how most of you play these games; do you sit in front of your tv with a table/stand and your keyboard and mouse? Or have you gotten a wireless setup to allow for some couch gaming? I'm all for playing everything on the big screen/surround sound from my couch, but it seems to me most of these games would require sitting close to the tv with a keyboard and mouse just so you could read the text. Could someone enlighten me on exactly how you're playing these games?
Post by: sili on February 17, 2006, 08:45:00 AM
oh sweet goodnessIf you run it in something less then HD quality (regular 640x480 or 800x600) the text is very readable, when playing in 720p I cant read shit, but once its setup cedega(which i know not everyone will be able to use) makes it's menu very readable. Most games that I play are easy enough to read, although my screen goes fubar when I play them fullscreen so i run them in a window. For the most part everything works sweet, I just wish I had enough skills to code a frontend for wine that could be open source so people wouldnt have to use the command prompt, or cedega. Winex which is what cedega is based on is still free, you just have to compile it from CVS, I never have any luck getting it to compile, maybe someone with a little more skills wants to try to get an updated version compiled/running?
I'm glad to see there is an interest in this and that i'm not the only one that cares about this, hopefully we'll show there is a demand for it, and someone can code something that will make all of our lives easier
Post by: sili on February 17, 2006, 10:58:00 AM
QUOTE(guybird @ Feb 17 2006, 04:02 PM)
Man oh man, the xbox scene gets better every day. I'm the type of person who loves the openess of gaming on the PC, but I hate having to install/configure/patch pc games that I might play for a day or two until I move onto the next game.
I do that same exact shit, but I think I have more fun trying to get it running! I usually delete the stuff since my 300gb xbox hdd stays full
Post by: Keo-Keo on February 17, 2006, 09:46:00 PM
Wine was programmed and built to read windows API's and translate them in to linux.. Wine is 12 years old and is still in beta testing.. Trying to change all that code for the xbox .. Heh.. Good luck :-P.. Wine does no emulation like dos box where you are emulating an OS.. "Dos".. Since Wine Is Not an Emulater.. (pun's!) And since it's made to translate API's running natvitivly would be hard..
But i'm sure i could be wrong.. I know almost nothing about compiling source code for the xbox.. Just doesn't make sence.. Translating API's for a windows kernal to another windows kernal.. :-P
Post by: pdottz on February 18, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
also, i dont have an xb mouse, so i have to play via VNC on my pc and see how fast its running on my tv. (yes yes not very efficient)
a configurable qjoypad .dsl plugin would kick ass here.
for rcrhacky this is all thats needed.
xerver( only since wine needs it) and thats it. not even a window manager is needed.
so essentially this is the setup so far that i have.
xdsl boots. mounts wine.
then through the initrc i toss it a cmd line that tells wine to load rcrhacky.exe in /home/dsl (or wherever)
and thats it.
aside from the main issues there 1 more that i need help with.
rcrhacky is a standalone FLASH game. so when it loads it loads in a small window.
is there a way through initrc to tell wine or some to run rcrhacky in fullscreen?(it can be done using VIEW/FULLSCREEN in the game) but has to be done everything you play.
Post by: Keo-Keo on February 18, 2006, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: sili on February 21, 2006, 12:40:00 PM
Post by: sili on February 21, 2006, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: Potman on February 22, 2006, 02:58:00 PM
cedega seem to be same as wine (latest version) but wine's faster than cedega when starting a game in gentoox.
and dune 2000 doesnt work with wine in gentoox, but it works with cedega.
i'll post more working games info later, am downloading alot of games atm.
Post by: sili on February 22, 2006, 03:23:00 PM
Post by: Potman on February 22, 2006, 09:25:00 PM
Wine
640x480
ingame has frame rate issues, everything's too slow
Alpha Centauri Alien Crossfire (linux version)
Wine
800x600
Business Tycoon
Wine
800x600
Caeser 3
Wine
640x480
Civilization 2 Multiplayer Edition
640x480
cant start a new game, can only load a saved game (just start a new game on your pc then save it then ftp it over to your xbox and load it), runs smoothly
Divi Dead
Wine
640x480
Dune 2000
Cedega Engine 5.1
640x480
runs smoothly, scrolling a map ingame's slower than usual
Fallout
Wine
800x600
Fallout 2
Wine
800x600
Fatal Relations
Wine
640x480
Heroes of Might and Magic 3 (linux version)
Wine
800x600
Simcity 3000
Wine
640x480
runs smoothly, it takes 10-15 seconds to load the underground view (when selecting pipe or subway rail)
Stronghold
Wine
800x600
runs smoothly, scrolling a map ingame's abit slower than usual
Warcraft 2 Battlenet Edition
Wine
640x480
havent tested battlenet online but it runs normal in campgains/single player mode with no issue
Xchange
Wine
640x480
Post by: sili on February 23, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: BanjoK on February 24, 2006, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: Chron Johnson on February 24, 2006, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: Potman on February 25, 2006, 01:22:00 AM
Cedega 5.1
800x600
am trying to make age of wonder 2 work, hopefully i'll success (gotta find a properly nocd patch that works with xbox linux).
is there a way to config/remap second controller's key in gentoox so to be able to play any classic fps game or whatever that requires a keyboard (or keyboard/mouse combo) to play? i dont have a mouse/keyboard for xbox, that's why i list mostly tycoon/sim/hentai games, these genre can be used with a xbox controller only.
Post by: Chron Johnson on February 25, 2006, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: DingChavez on February 26, 2006, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: BanjoK on February 26, 2006, 08:49:00 AM
Post by: Chron Johnson on February 26, 2006, 12:11:00 PM
Post by: sili on February 26, 2006, 01:51:00 PM
QUOTE(BanjoK @ Feb 25 2006, 06:05 AM)
Are you going to test any more games yourself for this list sili?
Without a doubt
I'm a bit of an abandonware whore so I've got a quite a few oldies to go through, as well as some ones ive gotten working over the last year or so to get the exact settings I used. I had some really good luck using xebian and nicer performance then i've seen in gentoox, but AFAIK there is no way to install xebian straight off the hdd(someone please correct me ). I just moved last weekend so most of my shit is still boxed up. I havent found my wireless kb and mouse for the xbox yet, nor most of my discs. Hopefully this week I'll be able to finish unpacking all of this, and get some real classics playing.There are quite a few classics that run under dosbox(a little slow(7th guest, I have no mouth and I must scream, toonstruck,etc...)but somewhat playable) that i'd like to test in wine to see if they run smoother.
But to answer your question, yes. I eat, sleep and breathe this shit, I just wish I'd have made this thread a year ago, and I wouldnt have to backtrack through all the working stuff I have. Lots of classics...If anyone feels they dont have anything to test check out sites like www.theunderdogs.org and the like. They should keep you busy
Post by: Ron Mexico on February 26, 2006, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: BanjoK on February 27, 2006, 12:40:00 AM
http://www.linuxcomp...patibility.html
Post by: Potman on February 27, 2006, 01:43:00 PM
Wine
800x600
u can use this game's preference settings to set its' display to 640x480.
no long loading issue when selecting underground view (pipe or subway rails).
Tokimeki Check In!
Wine
640x480
Post by: Potman on February 27, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
Wine
800x600
u can use this game's preference settings to set its' display to 640x480.
abit slower than usual when scrolling ingame's map (turn off the animation setting for better speed).
it freezes sometime when zooming in, so be sure to save often.
no long loading issue when selecting underground view (pipe or subway rail).
will post more later.
Post by: SlyBeast on April 16, 2006, 12:08:00 AM
The Journeyman Project Turbo!
Sid Meier's Civilization II
Command & Conquer
Deadlock: Planetary Conquest
Mission Force: Cyberstorm
Has anyone tried any of these games? If so, what were the results? These are really all I'd be interested in playing so I'd like a little feedback before I dive into this thing.
Post by: snes on April 16, 2006, 02:42:00 AM
Post by: skyzerr33 on April 16, 2006, 05:24:00 AM
QUOTE(snes @ Apr 16 2006, 06:43 PM)
I need a tutorial how to install Sim City 3000 on my Xbox.I don't unterstand how it works
Post by: snes on April 16, 2006, 07:55:00 AM
QUOTE(skyzerr33 @ Apr 16 2006, 01:31 PM) 
Are you running any emulators on your xbox? do you have dosxbox?
yes i have emulators and dosxbox but Sim City 3000 is no Dos game
Post by: madmab on April 20, 2006, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: Potman on April 21, 2006, 06:43:00 PM
u can run windows games on xbox (only directx8 or under).
u need a xbox linux to run any windows games tho...
get xdsl (xbox damn small linux) for a start, install wine.dsl (it can only run directx7 or under games, the other xbox linux, gentoox, etc, can install wine/cedega that can run directx8 or under games), then run sim city 3000.
there's a sub forum "nios based on xbox" or something in software forum for infos on how to install xdsl, and how to install/use wine to run sim city 3000.
This post has been edited by Potman: Apr 22 2006, 01:47 AM
Post by: xb0x3mu on April 25, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
just have to learn linux to do so. its about time i did i recon.... thanks for making this possible folks.
Post by: Chron Johnson on April 25, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: Chron Johnson on May 11, 2006, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: guybird on September 03, 2010, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: ressurectionx on September 09, 2010, 09:10:00 AM
Madmab made the process of making controls much easier since you can now save a configuration and automatically load it for a new game. This works great for the Wolfenstein/Spear of Destiny/Blake Stone/Ken's Labyrinth games and the old SSI D&D games since you only have to make the configs once and load them up in the 'like' games.
For most things, I would think that using Linux is unnecessary, although I'm sure it can do some things that dosxbox can't do on the XBox. I'm very surprised on some of these games that work. I never thought I'd see The 7th Guest or Death Rally working on the XBox, but they're damn near perfect. Here's hoping we can get Phantasmagoria working soon.
Later,
~Rx
Post by: cheema201 on September 10, 2010, 10:02:00 AM
But there is absolutely no reason to use xdsl for dos. If anyone were to release a build it would have to be for windows games that run in xdsl. Like grim fandango, or starcraft (haven't tested full version yet, but demo plays through), also there is a great number of linux games which are worth a play..
The configuration of many games in linux can be painful to have working correctly, and I don't know if anyone would have the time or patience to put together a list of games that do not run anywhere else on the xbox but xdsl.