Post by: snnowwy on October 29, 2005, 09:25:00 AM
I know this is probably a total noob question but then again I am a total noob.
Firstly, let me apologise if this has been handled elsewhere.
I have carried out extensive searches on this subject but can only find advice on problems that happen after Mame-X and Kawa-X load.
My problem is that they dont load at all.
I know how irritating it is to troubleshoot a problem with no info (I work on a helpdesk) so here is all that I can tell ya.
PROBLEM:
Certain apps just refuse to load. I just get returned to the dash. I got them all from xbins (I hope mentioning this is OK, I saw a tutorial on xbins here so I assume it is, if not feel free to edit it out or say the usual places)
These apps are:
Kawa-X
Mame-X
MameoX
FBXXX (doesn't even show up on the menu of any dash)
X-Commander
BACKGROUND:
I recently modded my XBOX and a mates XBOX. Each has a Xenium Ice chip.
I have tried various different BIOSs
While Mame-X works fine on my XBOX, it refuses to load on my mates.
The reverse is true for Kawa-X, it loads on his but not mine.
I have tried using another Dashboard (so far Ive tried EvolutionX, UnleashX and MXM. Im downloading Avalaunch as I type) and Im having the same prolem.
OBSERVATIONS:
IGR is turned off but if this were the cause then neither XBOX should work as they have the same ini files.
I doubt the files that I got are corrupt as each has worked at some point, just not on both XBOXes.
Both boxes are version 1.4 made only 6 weeks apart but do have different hardware. Again I am assuming that this isnt the problem as if they were that temperamental then it would be difficult to get even Official games to work across the board.
PLEA:
Can anyone help me out?
I am in danger of pulling all my hair out and Im very vain so I dont want to do that.
:)
Post by: Chron Johnson on October 29, 2005, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: snnowwy on November 01, 2005, 02:14:00 PM
Id thought of deleting the save games but I wasnt sure how to go about it. Didnt realise that it could be done from the MS-Dash.
Ill try that as soon as I get a chance.
Regarding MAME(d)OX and FBA-XXX, Ive got both and neither load for me.
FBA-XXX doesnt even show up on the dashs auto list.
I havent had a chance to manually link to its xbe tho.
Cheers for the advice on these 2, the problem with trying to do your research first is that you end up reading old info.
Another question:
I have a heap of roms for mame but I collected them ages ago. Is there a risk of them not running on the latest versions of MAME(d)OX and FBA-XXX if theyre based on the most recent mame core?
I know something like this is a problem with updated versions of the neogeo bios.
Would this apply to game roms too?
Also, what are the latest versions of MAME(d)OX and FBA-XXX?
Do they use virtual memory so I can run the bigger games?
Jeez, you let me ask one question and see what happens?
Thanks for you patience and help though.
Ill let ya know how I get on.
S.
Post by: Thraxen on November 01, 2005, 02:53:00 PM
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I have a heap of roms for mame but I collected them ages ago. Is there a risk of them not running on the latest versions of MAME(d)OX and FBA-XXX if theyre based on the most recent mame core?
Depends on how old. The latest versions of MAMEoX are based primarily on MAME 0.84. I'm not really sure what version FBAXXX is based on or is closest to, but it includes and can generate its own DAT files that you can use to check the ROM with a program like Romcenter.
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Also, what are the latest versions of MAME(d)OX and FBA-XXX?
Do they use virtual memory so I can run the bigger games?
Do they use virtual memory so I can run the bigger games?
MAMEdOX v1.1 (or 1.5 with the new front end posted here.. but ROM set is the same).
MAMEoX 128 Plus! v20051002
FBAXXX 8/26/05
FBAXXX Pro based on the 8/26/05 version
And, yes, they all use virtual memory.
Post by: Chron Johnson on November 01, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: BritneysPAIRS on November 01, 2005, 06:26:00 PM
MAMEdOX 1.5 is not a skin! (although I updated it abit which needed doing to added in new features and removed outdated clutter) its the front end program. Im in the process of finishing it and ill release a full package soon in 2 forms (1 with new games drivers and one with same game drivers so all games will work as they did but with an improved game selector).
MAMEoX 1.1 or with 1.5 front end upgrade both use 0.84 rom sets, and KAWAKs 1.52 Neo Geo games, plus Progear, supper trio and new games after 0.84 with latest verions. Cheers
This post has been edited by BritneysPAIRS: Nov 2 2005, 02:29 AM
Post by: Chron Johnson on November 01, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
Edit: just included the tdata info because I find it can be handy to be able to see the directories you're trying to link to while you point to them.
Post by: BritneysPAIRS on November 01, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
Samsho5sp has corrected sound, many files have updated so will need new dats :(.
Nothing worth mentioning runs. It has radien 2 driver etc but it doesnt load, outrun turbo wont load proplery, gforce runs at 2 frames a sec. So id recommend keeping same dats and wait for xbox 360 to hopefully be able to run latest core.
Post by: snnowwy on November 02, 2005, 09:52:00 AM
thanks for all the replies.
I have deleted all the savegame data from the MS Dash and this hasn't helped.
Could it be something about the MS Dash that isn't doing this fully?
Are there any other ways to do this?
Also, they don't work with Avalaunch either.
This would suggest that it's not the dash, but the application.
However, if that were the case then how can I get them running on one machine and not another?
QUOTE
It sounds like if you're using a dashboard that requires manual linking to find its programs then we might be dealing with a dashboard problem, at least in the case of FBA-XXX not showing up.
It doesnt require manual linking, I was just trying this out to see if it would help. I get the same result (i.e. nothing) whether I use manual or dash automated linking.
As far as FBA-XXX is concerned, that might be a corrupt installation cause I have never seen it work.
Anyone got a link to their homepage? I assume asking for emulators (but not roms) is OK?
While I'm at it, anyone got the link to the MAME(d)OX homepage (or anywehre else I can download it) I keep getting site under construction pages when I google it.
Regarding changing the rom location in the ini file:
I'm putting the roms in the default directories until I get the emulators up and running.
But even if they can't find any roms, they should still start up right?
It's not just Mame and Kawa that don't load so replacing them with better emulators wouldn't help me solve the original problem.
I hate letting something like this beat me.
Could there be anything else that I'm missing?
S.
Post by: TMaul on November 02, 2005, 10:55:00 AM
It might be a network problem. I've seen problems with file corruption caused by shitty or broken network cables on more than one occasion.
It might also be worth trying a different ftp client on your PC, just in case its screwing up the required data directories. While we are on the subject of directories, are you 100% sure that the xbes + datafiles are being copied to a directory thats being checked by your dashboard? I know that aceftp and sometimes cuteftp get confused with where you actually want the files to be copied, and this would explain why fbaxxx is not showing up.
Like you suggested, it might be worth re-downloading the emulators from somewhere else, just in case the copies you have are not complete or corrupt for some reason. I know that fbaxxx doesnt like it when the datafiles (i.e. fonts and skin) are missing. Linking to xbes is against forum rules but they are out there if you do some searching.
This post has been edited by TMaul: Nov 2 2005, 06:57 PM
Post by: Thraxen on November 02, 2005, 11:12:00 AM
Of course, assuming you did it correctly, the manual linking should have worked if you linked to the fbax.xbe file, but I thought I would ask just in case.
This post has been edited by Thraxen: Nov 2 2005, 07:13 PM
Post by: snnowwy on November 02, 2005, 01:23:00 PM
QUOTE
It might be a network problem. I've seen problems with file corruption caused by shitty or broken network cables on more than one occasion.
Same cable used to upload to both X-BOXes
QUOTE
It might also be worth trying a different ftp client on your PC, just in case its screwing up the required data directories.
I use the Xenium samba server and make the directories myself.
Both Mame and Kawa are being picked up by the dash, they attempt to load and bomb out.
I set the link manually as a test to see if that had something to do with it.
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Quick question... is the XBE file for your FBAXXX actually named "default.xbe"? I ask because the most recent version of FBAXXX came with the XBE file named "fbax.xbe" and you had to rename it.
I think youre onto something there. I only set the manual link for Mame and Kawa, havent gotten round to doing it for FBA-XXX yet.
I cant remember what the executable extracted as.
Do the dashes only look for default.xbe
Post by: Thraxen on November 02, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
QUOTE(snnowwy @ Nov 2 2005, 04:34 PM)
I think youre onto something there. I only set the manual link for Mame and Kawa, havent gotten round to doing it for FBA-XXX yet.
I cant remember what the executable extracted as.
Do the dashes only look for default.xbe
I cant remember what the executable extracted as.
Do the dashes only look for default.xbe
By default, yes. Some dashes, like UnleashX, have a setting where you can tell it to list all XBEs that it finds, but by default they just list the default.xbe files they find since those are the main launch files for basically every XBox app.
This post has been edited by Thraxen: Nov 3 2005, 12:45 AM
Post by: Chron Johnson on November 02, 2005, 06:05:00 PM
Post by: Thraxen on November 02, 2005, 07:35:00 PM
QUOTE(Chron Johnson @ Nov 2 2005, 09:16 PM)
It will also help if you reinstall the entire application from a fresh package when removing the savegame data...it sounds like you don't know where these things are found? Reading up on the tried and true method at http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/xbins.php will do you good.
The problem in this situation is that Xbins does not have the most recent version of FBAXXX.
Post by: Chron Johnson on November 02, 2005, 09:56:00 PM
If you get MAMEOX .84b3 while you're there, maybe getting it booted properly will shed light on your MAME-X problem. It's almost identical to MAMEdOX 1.1 but with support for slightly fewer ROMs...so I hope it helps get some good arcade emulation working on your system.
Post by: snnowwy on November 07, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
I got the latest version of FBA-XXX, extracted it, Renamed the xbe to default.xbe and copied it to:
E:\games\FBA-XXX
Its still not recognised by MXM. It refuses to list it in the games menu at all.
Evolution-X picks it up but the menu item was red and I couldnt select it.
Prior to this I deleted every non-retail game save on the system using the MS Dash.
I didnt bother putting any roms in the FBA-XXX roms folder but this shouldnt matter should it?
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
If there are any of the various Dashboard dev teams out there, could you offer any explanation as to what part of the application load process could case it to fail?
Its happening to several apps in a very similar way so this leads me to believe that theres something stopping them loading.
Hoping for a reply,
S.
Post by: BritneysPAIRS on November 07, 2005, 03:07:00 PM
Post by: Chron Johnson on November 07, 2005, 06:58:00 PM
This sounds like a BIOS problem of some sort? Some inability of the XBox to recognize certain XBEs as executable? How's the system modded? Have you tried any more respected dashboards? Avalaunch/UnleashX/XBMC/etc?
Post by: BritneysPAIRS on November 07, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
Please tell me if you delete app from folder does it go away in evolution X menu?
if it does default.xbe is wrong as it would not show up as red if it was valid. Even if it locked up later, that would be an issue with some other file in the program.
Post by: snnowwy on November 09, 2005, 02:52:00 AM
Cheers for all the help and advice given so far.
So now I have FBA-XXX running.
Some of the big beatem ups (Xmen vs Marvel etc) are running fine but I cant play my favorites like Liquid Kidz, Newzeland Story and Bubble Bobble.
They don't even show up on the roms list.
What gives?
Post by: Thraxen on November 09, 2005, 08:17:00 AM
QUOTE
So now I have FBA-XXX running.
Some of the big beatem ups (Xmen vs Marvel etc) are running fine but I cant play my favorites like Liquid Kidz, Newzeland Story and Bubble Bobble.
They don't even show up on the roms list.
What gives?
Some of the big beatem ups (Xmen vs Marvel etc) are running fine but I cant play my favorites like Liquid Kidz, Newzeland Story and Bubble Bobble.
They don't even show up on the roms list.
What gives?
I don't think those games are supported in FBAXXX. Try MAMEoX.
Post by: Chron Johnson on November 09, 2005, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: snnowwy on November 10, 2005, 02:54:00 AM