Post by: dsmac73 on September 07, 2004, 08:20:00 AM
Post by: dsmac73 on September 07, 2004, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: Prican24 on September 07, 2004, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: scryed on September 15, 2004, 12:38:00 PM
Post by: duey2k on September 15, 2004, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: scryed on September 15, 2004, 02:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (dtupper @ Sep 15 2004, 09:29 PM) |
| And I think I would have to say that you are definitely incorrect that most gamers would rather use the xbox controller...unless you are young enough that the nes controller doesn't mean something to you... If the extra buttons are what you are after you can map them to button combinations on the nes pad that will give you full functionality... This current setup is great but I still can't wait till I can plug an atari paddle into my xbox, crack a beer, and play circus atari. |
If you read most of these posts, most people care about just being able to play the games, or they keep on asking when is the next Surreal comming out. Now you might want a feel of nostalgia, but if is that important and you wanted that, play the NES and atari that you own, which I own my own.
I hated the NES controller, and think if there was an older cotroller to be used it would be SNES controller because of feel and buttons. I don't want to have to press a special combination of buttons to get out of the game when all I have to do is press the right analogue. I truley like the s-controller. I prefer comfort over nostalgia.
In truth I feel that it would be more of hassle having multiple types of controllers for a system. I wouldn't want to have to keep switching out controllers to play different games. The ablity to have the amount of buttons on the xbox controller allows a player to switch from one program to the next without changing it out for something else. For a little while I'll play be playing Mike Tyson's Punchout, another I'll be play Street Fighter Alpha 3, then I will switch to Castlevania Symphony of the Night, and not to mention my normal xbox games and other emulators.
I don't speak for the gaming audience, and I didn't mean to, but playing a controller from almost 20 years ago just doesn't excite me much. The atari paddle, I understand that more then the NES controller, but still doesn't give me a feeling of want as well, but whatever floats your boat.
Post by: Prican24 on September 15, 2004, 03:11:00 PM
Post by: Prican24 on September 16, 2004, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: scryed on September 16, 2004, 10:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (dtupper @ Sep 16 2004, 05:51 PM) |
| if we just lived with what we have you'd wouldn't even be playing nes on your xbox... It's amazing the difference in enthusiam between this forum and the one on Arcade Controls for my mame machine... Must be the Gimme Generation issue... |
He never said you "HAD" to live with it, but by the fact that you would have to do so much for something so unimportant, it was more of a suggestion.
If you don't want to live with it, do the soldering work yourself.
"Gimme Generation"? There are a lot of different generations on this forum. Also the fact is that arcade forums treat things differently because a lot of them are purists. If you're in an emulation forum, why are you trying to be a purist? Thats like asking to be able to play Hendrix albums on a CD player. You get my drift? Emulation is made to bring the old in the era of now.
There is no generation involved in your argument, its the purists and emulators, and it seems you're stuck right in the middle of both groups. Thats your own right and opinion, but why speak of the opinions of the forum as if they are some comformity that has gone wrong?
Post by: dtupper on September 16, 2004, 11:53:00 AM
Dude,
I'm just trying to play games on my xbox with the controller they were created for...
It just seems that you only get posts from naysayers when you are looking for some creative input.
Can someone explain the HID difference? Or the difficulty in bringing the driver in Windows that allows the retropad to work over to the box?
Post by: AkumAPRIME on September 16, 2004, 12:35:00 PM
GL
ehb
Post by: Prican24 on September 16, 2004, 02:11:00 PM
if you want it so bad, do the work for yourself as most of us are happy with using xbox controller or using an adapter for other controller types.
Post by: Gus Man on September 16, 2004, 02:26:00 PM
There should be a pinned topic "HOW TO GET USB CONTROLLERS ON YOUR XBOX!!!"
Post by: scryed on September 16, 2004, 02:31:00 PM
Post by: dtupper on September 24, 2004, 06:28:00 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/...8133026733&rd=1
Big Money...No Whammies........STOP!
Post by: EGOvoruhk on September 24, 2004, 06:41:00 AM
Post by: Prican24 on September 24, 2004, 06:51:00 AM
this is something many ppl do to add other type of controllers to xbox (read the arcade topic thats on page 2 or 3).
if you have the skills to solder, you can pretty much do this yourself as its nothing more then hacking a xbox controller
Post by: hoppityhow on September 24, 2004, 08:53:00 AM
hmm, judging from the post above, i'd be interested in making an s controller that i could plug an NES or SNES pad into... maybe i'll make it ... only time will tell
Post by: Kean on September 24, 2004, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: Kean on September 24, 2004, 08:55:00 AM
Post by: dtupper on September 24, 2004, 09:24:00 AM
you would have to power the controller...should be easy enough...but then you just run wire from the contacts on the nes to the contacts on the xbox???
you cant uses the wires in the nes wire because they use strobing...
Looks like another long night of soldering:D
Post by: dtupper on September 24, 2004, 11:06:00 AM
one step closer
Post by: gonkle on September 24, 2004, 12:51:00 PM
its hell easier to solder than the M$ ones.
Post by: Kean on September 24, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
Genesis Controller mod
Post by: dtupper on September 24, 2004, 02:02:00 PM
I've already run to radio shack and purchased the necessary junk...
I'll post the pics tomorrow...
Post by: EGOvoruhk on September 24, 2004, 02:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (dtupper @ Sep 24 2004, 09:05 PM) |
| From what I've researched you could use a 9pin serial and it would be able to handle the atari Joystick, Nes controller, and SMS controller... I've already run to radio shack and purchased the necessary junk... I'll post the pics tomorrow... |
Make a tutorial too
I'm gonna have to jump on eBay and pick up two controllers of each system, heh, there goes my paycheck
Edit: Anyone know of any tutorials that allow for analog input so I can hack up my 64 controller?
Post by: dtupper on September 24, 2004, 03:07:00 PM
I was thinking that hacking an NES controller is not that bad since they are sold in tons of places for 2 bucks...so I was gonna use a 9 pin so that I wouldn't have to hack the atari, coleco, or master system controllers since they are not so easy to come across...but 9pins are not enough for Genesis or Snes...
A 15 pin VGA cable will allow for any controller to be used with the same xbox controller hack...but then you will have to hack the cord on all the controllers that you plan on using...
I'm thinking I'll stick with the 9pin for tonight...
Thanks for that tutorial Kean
Post by: Kean on September 24, 2004, 03:16:00 PM
Post by: Prican24 on September 24, 2004, 03:24:00 PM
Post by: gonkle on September 25, 2004, 05:43:00 AM
but maybe you can get some ideas from it.
Post by: Prican24 on September 25, 2004, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: dtupper on September 25, 2004, 09:35:00 PM
I just got knocked out by Tyson...USING THE NES GAMEPAD!!!
It works 100%...
You have to cut the chip out of the NES controller
You do not need a power line
I'll post a more complete post with hi-res pictures of the job tomorrow morning...
Thank you for all your help!!!!
Post by: dtupper on September 25, 2004, 10:15:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on September 25, 2004, 10:45:00 PM
Post by: Jagasian on September 26, 2004, 10:05:00 AM
So far the Xbox comes close, but it has weak support for NES game controllers.
Post by: gonkle on September 26, 2004, 11:48:00 AM
Post by: dtupper on September 26, 2004, 04:52:00 PM
Circuit tester...
Cut the cord put one end of the tester on pin one and then touch each wire till you get a circuit...
Here are some more shots...I'm too lazy to type the solder spots out...my cheat sheet is one of the pics...
Just solder one wire from the monitor/serial plug to the associated point (i.e. TP13)...
Enjoy...
Post by: hoppityhow on September 26, 2004, 05:49:00 PM
I'll be sure to post up pics of my hacked up SNES controllers when i get them from ebay and make them
Post by: dtupper on September 27, 2004, 09:47:00 AM
I may rip the other memory cart slot out and stick a 9 pin in also so I won't have to modify the atari joystick...
I have a genesis 6 button and an SNES laying around...I'll give them a shot soon...
Also some things I ran across...
I used an old huge xbox controller...The solder joints were way too small on the S... everyone seems to agree that after market controllers are the way to go but I didn't have one laying around...
I also disconnected the rumble motors...last thing I want is for those friggin things to rattle a solder loose...
well post the pix when you make it...
Post by: hoppityhow on September 27, 2004, 11:03:00 AM
Post by: dtupper on September 28, 2004, 09:44:00 AM
Post by: EGOvoruhk on October 20, 2004, 01:34:00 AM
Post by: Mr. Chips on October 20, 2004, 02:38:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Is there anyway an N64 controller can be done like this? |
not easily. The N64 Joystick, for example is analog. try finding a 30 wire shielded cable. (probably only the old parralel cord matches that desciption.)
Otherwise you could cannibalize a small xbox controller and try to fit it's guts into a N64 pad. That is impossible at best. Mostly becuase of the button placement.
Post by: Mr. Chips on October 20, 2004, 11:13:00 PM
If you look closely at the control stick, there is about 6-8 wires attached. They may either be useful, or useless. It doesn't seem likely that they do anything other than send data. If someone could find out how it relates to the xbox control stick, they could find out how many wires it would take.
I am willing to try this mod, and I definately will, however it seems hard to do.
P.S. For the buttons, triggers and ground, that is 15 wires.
A standard parralel port cable has 25 wires. So it would be A MUST for the control stick to be 10 wires or less.
It's possible to do, and I'm confident I might be the one to write a tutorial on it, depending on those analog joystick wires
Post by: BigGanja on October 21, 2004, 10:03:00 PM
works nice no problems
Post by: mrinsane on October 24, 2004, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: Mr. Chips on October 24, 2004, 05:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (mrinsane) |
| "bump" this topic shoiuld be pinned it helped me with alot of things and id like to see a tut for the nes pad i might write one as sonn as im doen with mine just need a crap xbox paddle now |
here is a great tutorial for hacking a NES controller to work with a DC controller, basically the same idea. It sure helped with my DC-in-a-NES-Mod (see sig.
) anyways, Mr. Insane, something very wierd and coincidental I thought I'd point out, I am listening to Radiohead's "I Am Citizen Insane" as I type
thought it was funny cosidering your name !
Post by: LukeWarm on October 27, 2004, 05:03:00 PM
Just wondering