Post by: pcween on January 07, 2004, 11:57:00 AM
Is it possible to integrate this in surreal64? Can we do this on our own?
Post by: Iriez on January 07, 2004, 12:03:00 PM
Lantus keeps in touch and is well aware of the changes to his plugin. He will integrate it as soon as he gets ahold of the source.
And on another note - Thats the plugin, not the source.
Post by: pcween on January 07, 2004, 12:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (Iriez @ Jan 7 2004, 10:03 PM) |
| Hush hush. Lantus keeps in touch and is well aware of the changes to his plugin. He will integrate it as soon as he gets ahold of the source. |
that's good news.
i originally intended to ask if it is possible for us users to update the plugin ourselves (by simply changing the DLL and INI for example), but i guess the plugin is embedded in the xbe-file and there is no "windows plugin-wrapper" included.
Post by: Iriez on January 07, 2004, 12:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (pcween @ Jan 7 2004, 03:19 PM) |
| i originally intended to ask if it is possible for us users to update the plugin ourselves (by simply changing the DLL and INI for example), but i guess the plugin is embedded in the xbe-file and there is no "windows plugin-wrapper" included. |
Correct.
the lib's in the xbe's have to be statically linked. It cant be utilized by dynamic link libraries like in windows (with the exception of XBMP and audio)
Post by: heinrich on January 07, 2004, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: desertboy on January 07, 2004, 02:47:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Changes over 5.2.0: - Improved 2-stage combiner with manually configurated combiner settings. It is working not bad on my GF2 MX400 with the latest driver. You don't have to downgrade your driver in order to use TNT combiner for you TNT, GF2 MX cards any more. This combiner should also work fine on other older video cards. - The manually configurated combiner settings also helps 3-stage, 4-stage and high-end combiners. (If you still have combiner problems, try the 2-stage combiner) Fixes: - Conker, almost - Dr. Mario - Super Bowling: the splitted screen problem - Zelda: Japanese character problem - N64 frame buffer setting: with emulator Getting better: - Mario Tennis player shadow for non-TNT combiners - Many games are getting much less combiner problems: Zeldas, Goldeneye, PD, Mario Tennis, Conker, Kirby, JFG Tooie, Paper Mario, RR64, Castlevania 1/2, DOUBUTSUNOMORI DKR, F-Zero, ROCKETROBOTONWHEELS, POKEMONs, MULTI RACING, KING HILL 64, Grand Prix, HSV ADVENTURE RACING G.A.S.P, GAUNTLET LEGENDS |
This is a shot of conkers on the pc using 1964 & rice 5.3.0
It's best if you all leave Rice in peace rather than badgering him with PM's.
Post by: Zero on January 07, 2004, 02:56:00 PM
Post by: desertboy on January 07, 2004, 03:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (Zero @ Jan 8 2004, 12:56 AM) |
| Hmm I tried Conker's Bad Fur Day (U) [!] with 1964 0.9.9 and Rice 5.3.0 and still get the horrible texture problems. |
Did you mess with the settings or did you just try with standard settings, Rice's plugin is very nice but it takes some love & care to get the best out of it which makes this emu all the more impressive. Grab rice 5.1.0d and see how games run with standard settings then look at surreal64 and you'll see how well they've got rice's plugin running. I often find I can get similar resluts to Rice but it takes me a while any maybe a quick visit to an N64 emu forum.
I suspect .99 and 5.3.0 may sort out 50% of issues people are having with this emulator (Excluding naivity).
Edit: Just tried conkers bad fur day and it has no missing texture problems here, latest detonator drivers and a fx5200 default settings
Post by: desertboy on January 07, 2004, 04:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (lantus @ Jan 8 2004, 02:11 AM) | ||
rice uses a low end GF MX card..i suggest you disable Hardware Transform and Lighting |
Standard options for rice 5.3.0 is software T&L maybe he's using an ATI, I believe some people have had luck using 3danalyse and setting software T&L.
Post by: Zero on January 07, 2004, 06:33:00 PM
Post by: XDelusion on January 07, 2004, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Ces2k3 on January 07, 2004, 07:00:00 PM
Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on January 07, 2004, 08:02:00 PM
-Bender
Post by: XDelusion on January 07, 2004, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: sil247 on January 07, 2004, 09:29:00 PM
Thanks oDD and Lantus Also big thanks to the original authors
Post by: Zero on January 07, 2004, 09:35:00 PM
Edit: Nevermind found it on zophar.net
Post by: desertboy on January 08, 2004, 02:31:00 AM
Another taster of rice's new plugin (Well it's 5.2.0 but it didn't work with my fx5200 then 5.3.0 it works fine, this screenshot is from 1964 took by Rice himself)
Post by: Iriez on January 08, 2004, 05:20:00 AM
Post by: andreab on January 08, 2004, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: Likklebaer on January 08, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
Post by: mamajo on January 08, 2004, 10:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Jan 8 2004, 03:31 PM) |
| Well, I finally got around to trying 1964 0.9.9 and this new plugin and wow! The difference on my slower-than-an-xbox PC between this and 0.8.5+Rice 5.1.0 in terms of graphics, speed, and compatibility is amazing. I was going to try out Surreal tomorrow but I don't think I'll bother now. To avoid inevitable disappointment I'm just going to wait until these new sources are implemented. I think it's safe to say that this is going to make those other two cores pretty redundant before long. So tear up those compatibility lists and look forward to great things in the future! |
This girl takes being a Non-Conformist to the next level!
Post by: Dahak on January 08, 2004, 11:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (lantus @ Jan 8 2004, 05:52 AM) |
| did someone port Doom for microwave ovens or something? =p |
Yes. Unfortunately, you need a 750 watt or higher oven though to get full frames. Alas my poor 500w artifact from the '80s won't cut it.
Post by: Iriez on January 08, 2004, 11:09:00 AM
Changes between it and 5.3.0 ..
- Reported GUI problem fix
- Improved OGL 1.2/1.3 combiner. (Still not good enough yet)
- Bettle Adv. Racing texture fix
- All-Star Baseball games field texture problem fix
- All-Star Baseball menu text
- More manual combiner setting for Zelda and Pokemon 2
- Source code is cleaned for release
Rice mentioned that this will probably be the last release for a while. So it looks like after the latest 1964 src is added (if odd/lantus can even get ahold of it) and rice's latest, that there wont be any emulation related enhancments for quite a long time.
Post by: lantus on January 08, 2004, 12:43:00 PM
ive just started porting 5.3.1 over, it could take days or weeks to get done...so please dont expect a new version out in a few days
Post by: Lightsier on January 08, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
*cracks whip*
*has drums in background*
DUM!
DUM!
DUM!
DUM!
DUM!
DUM!
Post by: Iriez on January 08, 2004, 12:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (Call_of_Duty @ Jan 8 2004, 02:39 PM) |
| RiceDaedalus531src.rar (405746 bytes) Maybe we could see a surreal update with the 5.3.1 implemented within the next few days, or do they feel the need to wait till the 1964 0.9.9 source is out? |
It took 6 months to get the first release out.
Dont expect another release in days time. Perhaps people understand now why it took so long...it wasnt a rush job. It was well worth the wait.
No need to rush a essential part of the emulators.
Post by: XDelusion on January 08, 2004, 01:51:00 PM
Dahak: I finally got JDOOM to compile under Turbo Basic, it will infact now run on low end ovens with little or no skips in the frame rate, and that's running full screen on the LCD panel!!!
Post by: Dahak on January 08, 2004, 02:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (XDelusion @ Jan 8 2004, 11:51 PM) |
| Dahak: I finally got JDOOM to compile under Turbo Basic, it will infact now run on low end ovens with little or no skips in the frame rate, and that's running full screen on the LCD panel!!! |
Damn, thanks for the beta! Now I can really feel the heat from those fireballs! Make sure you put that radiation warning label on the final release.
Post by: XDelusion on January 08, 2004, 02:23:00 PM
PuddyTay: Surreal 64 is amazing even as it is. I don't see how you can say that it is not a major advancement over what we had early last year, infact it is a major jump in comparison with many of the PC based N64 emus. Once the core and Plug In is updated, I think the XBOX will have the best port out there!
6 months... well ya they have been working on other projects too, I.E. Quake for instance, which I am VERY greatful to be able to play MODS and all on my XBOX.
Post by: skabio on January 08, 2004, 02:42:00 PM
Post by: lantus on January 08, 2004, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: Likklebaer on January 08, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
All those that were so eager for this emu have their beta to play with. So for heavens sake, please do not release anything else until the new core is available.
Post by: XDelusion on January 08, 2004, 05:12:00 PM
I mean really, I prefer to sit awkwardly in a stiff chair in front of a desk all day, rather than the comfort of my couch or bed.
Post by: EcL|PsE on January 08, 2004, 05:27:00 PM
now we have v1.0
it is a ginormous step ahead of its predecesors.
leave it be till the latest rice and latest 1964 can be used and make that version 2.0.
that would be the final version i usspect for a long time.
ight
cya
Post by: XDAWG on January 08, 2004, 05:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (puddytay @ Jan 9 2004, 12:02 AM) |
| Not to be hasty at all but when you say this wasnt a rush job I dont understand why it took so long. I really doubt you took all 6 months working on this. I would presume more like a month or less of actual hard work. This emulator isnt that good by any means. It is a good step up but it isnt anywhere near what I would consider pretty good. The way you guys were talking I was thinking weeks ago this was going to be a near perfect emulator and was really hyped but as of now I'm let down still not being able to play my favorite games. I do applaud all your guys efforts. But most of the games I want to play have major texture problems such as mario tennis, golf, conker, f-zero etc... This is not a polished emulator by any means. I understand there isnt much you could do about this considering you didnt actually make the pc emulators nor make the plug ins, so you did the best with what you had to work with. I really hope this doesnt take you another 6 months to implement these 2 things in, well I guess there are a few more problems such as sound messing up some games, controller config not working etc... I would presume if I knew what I was working with I could do it all in a weeks time. I could be wrong, the code could be alot more difficult. Just take into consideration that none of us know how to do any of this and it wouldnt be possible without you this is why I we all would appreciate a upgrade in a timely manner. I'm not saying do it now. But it would be nice to see all of this incorporated into a new version when ever you get spare time. |
Man what an ungreatful asshole!!!!!
Post by: EcL|PsE on January 08, 2004, 05:55:00 PM
Post by: skabio on January 08, 2004, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Trunks on January 08, 2004, 08:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (puddytay @ Jan 9 2004, 12:02 AM) |
| Not to be hasty at all but when you say this wasnt a rush job I dont understand why it took so long. I really doubt you took all 6 months working on this. I would presume more like a month or less of actual hard work. This emulator isnt that good by any means. It is a good step up but it isnt anywhere near what I would consider pretty good. The way you guys were talking I was thinking weeks ago this was going to be a near perfect emulator and was really hyped but as of now I'm let down still not being able to play my favorite games. I do applaud all your guys efforts. But most of the games I want to play have major texture problems such as mario tennis, golf, conker, f-zero etc... This is not a polished emulator by any means. I understand there isnt much you could do about this considering you didnt actually make the pc emulators nor make the plug ins, so you did the best with what you had to work with. I really hope this doesnt take you another 6 months to implement these 2 things in, well I guess there are a few more problems such as sound messing up some games, controller config not working etc... I would presume if I knew what I was working with I could do it all in a weeks time. I could be wrong, the code could be alot more difficult. Just take into consideration that none of us know how to do any of this and it wouldnt be possible without you this is why I we all would appreciate a upgrade in a timely manner. I'm not saying do it now. But it would be nice to see all of this incorporated into a new version when ever you get spare time. |
Code your own Emulator or STFU.
Post by: lantus on January 08, 2004, 08:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (notserbamma @ Jan 9 2004, 04:21 AM) |
| So um, Lantus and company.....do yall just overlook lame-o comments from folks like pootie tang or whatever his name was? Something like that would make me want to stop releasing ports publicly. |
nah i just ignore most of it..ive been in the game too long to let tards get to me ( i dont just mean Xbox devving - also real life work as well)
Post by: Beelzebud on January 08, 2004, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on January 08, 2004, 10:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Jan 8 2004, 06:15 PM) |
| All those that were so eager for this emu have their beta to play with. So for heavens sake, please do not release anything else until the new core is available. |
Why?
You seem to have this holier-than-you attitude. If you like 1964 0.9.9 then stick to playing it and let lantus and oDD make decisions on their own projects.
The new Rice looks amazing.
k thx.
Post by: Likklebaer on January 09, 2004, 08:26:00 AM
Post by: Iriez on January 09, 2004, 09:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Jan 9 2004, 11:26 AM) |
| I am 'holier-than-you'. The sooner ppl realise this the better a place the world will become... |
har har.
| QUOTE |
| And BTW, this guy that everyone is flaming, why exactly is he an asshole?? So he doesn't think this emulator is the greatest thing on the face of the earth... I don't see that that makes him any more of an idiot than ppl who do. |
Well...lets see...
| QUOTE |
| I really doubt you took all 6 months working on this. |
Undermining the amount of work put into it. Yea, lantus and oDD just had their thumbs stuck up their ass the entire time, they didnt really feel like working on the project. It was coded last week.
| QUOTE |
| This emulator isnt that good by any means. |
Making a retarded statement which is obviously bred through ignorance.
Anyone who understands the current state of emulation on the N64 knows that Surreal is not perfect, but it is very advanced for N64 emulation on the xbox. Its not a matter of opinion at this point, its a matter of facts. Yes, there are bugs. Of course there are bugs. The bugs that are due to lantus and oDD's coding side will be fixed, and the bugs that are due to the lack of features within the core/plugins will stay the same until the core/plugin is updated.
| QUOTE |
| The way you guys were talking I was thinking weeks ago this was going to be a near perfect emulator |
He is obviously a moron by this comment. How many times do you think i have stated that N64 emulation is far from perfect, and the xbox port can only meet the standards of current PC N64 emulation? I must have stated it atleast 30 times...literally... if not more. I have repeated it over and over again, just so fools like this dont get a false impression. If thats what you call 'hype' then you should read a dictionary.
| QUOTE |
| I do applaud all your guys efforts. |
If he applaud's it by saying its 'not good' and that lantus and odd 'didnt work on it long at all' and that he is 'let down', then i think he needs to redefine 'applaud'.
| QUOTE |
| But most of the games I want to play have major texture problems such as mario tennis, golf, conker, f-zero etc... This is not a polished emulator by any means. |
He points out "known issues" with rices plugin....whats the point of even saying it? If you know what your going to get, how on earth can you complain? You cannot polish what is not yours. Lantus did a very large amount of work on Rice's plugin, making it xbox friendly, and resolving small issues, but he's not about to tackle quadruple combiner issues with N64 native code in a few months, from code thats not even his thats been in the works for years.
| QUOTE |
| I would presume if I knew what I was working with I could do it all in a weeks time |
This is the best line of the whole paragraph. This guy is claiming he codes? I hope his coding is better than his social skills.
| QUOTE |
| So he doesn't think this emulator is the greatest thing on the face of the earth... I don't see that that makes him any more of an idiot than ppl who do. |
I dont know if he is a idiot or not, but he sure doesnt know how to work public relations. The english language is a fine and complex thing, and the better you can manipulate it to apply towards our culture, the more respect i will have for you.
Post by: Likklebaer on January 09, 2004, 09:36:00 AM
| QUOTE |
I dont know if he is a idiot or not, but he sure doesnt know how to work public relations. The english language is a fine and complex thing, and the better you can manipulate it to apply towards our culture, the more respect i will have for you. |
Heehee, personally I'd much rather ppl manipulated the language towards speaking their mind. I'm sickened on a daily basis by folks who censor themselves with a PC attitude just because they don't want to 'rock the boat'.
Public relations? Ha!- if that's your culture you can keep it.
Post by: Dahak on January 09, 2004, 09:40:00 AM
Post by: Iriez on January 09, 2004, 10:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Jan 9 2004, 12:36 PM) |
| Heehee, personally I'd much rather ppl manipulated the language towards speaking their mind. I'm sickened on a daily basis by folks who censor themselves with a PC attitude just because they don't want to 'rock the boat'. Public relations? Ha!- if that's your culture you can keep it. |
Thank you for redefining my point.
No one will take your mind seriously unless you can speak it properly. When it comes to the internet, it becomes typing, not speaking, and the way you phrase things is key to whether the user at the other end is offended, disgruntled, or enlightened.
hehehehehe prsonly ppl who typ lik this i dnt tak seriusly.
It looks like a giddy 8 year old japanese kid got ahold of mommies laptop.
If you have not noticed, i rock the boat. I speak my mind, but i also pay attention to the reaction caused by my words. Anyone who treads in a dark cave screaming OMGGGG THARRESSSS BEARSSS IN HERE is going to get their head bitten off.
The most important factor of deciding on how PC you should be, is deciding whether the effect that you have on <insert person group place or thing>, and how much you care about <object>.
When i asked Azimer if he would be kind enough to loan his audio sources to the project, do you think i approached him treading very lightly, or do you think i said HAY AZI, U THINK U COULD GIMMIE YOUR SOURCES SO WE KAN HAVE GOOD AUDIO N STUFF ON THE XBOX? THAT WOULD ROCK DUDE.
Only fools .....
Post by: XDelusion on January 09, 2004, 11:09:00 AM
Seriously though, I find it extremely amazing HOW UTTERLY serious some of these arguments seem to get, and over what!?!? Absolutly nothing. It is just a game machine people, it's just software, it's just your fucking ego, who cares!?!!? There are DEFINATLY MUCH finer points in life than who likes what emu, and prefers what settings over what, ect.
For those in here who argue for fun, I completely uderstand, it is enjoyable to come in here and act like an idiot, but those of you who take all this to heart really need to check your head and realize who you are and what you are doing RIGHT NOW, you've become a mindless sheep, hunched over your keyboard typing away with NO PURPOSE. You'll die alone!
As for rocking the boat, and speaking your mind and not conforming and all that jazz.
Well if you wanna do it the RIGHT way, you will take some time to learn more about "our" history, get a good feel for it, gain and understanding of what we were striving for, the motivation behind it, and where it brought us and why.
Study the Wise Men who were like Chaos within our "civiliations", fought agianst the real wrongs of the world, not with force, fist and fear, but with Wisdom and Truth.
Take Gandhi for example, if you're looking for a good break from the Emu sceen and want a really inspiring tale, and don't have time to read books all day, then CHECK OUT THIS MOVIE. There is Ali, The Last Temptation Of Christ, Scarface, Malcom X (the later years),ect. You will find hero's and interesting stories in places you never dreamed! And then maybe you will find yourself a little more mature, and a little more reasonable, and may at last have an idea of what is really worth standing for.
I personally feel better sending nasty letters every so often to crooked companies like Tommy and Nike who employee child labor in sweat shops, rather than by sending nasty letters to my fellow brothers and sisters of the XBOX-scene.
Just my opinion, I'm a horny fool
Oh yes another thing, being good with words, and speaking your mind proves you neither as a smart or non-conforming person, it just proves that you are good with words and like to use them.
Post by: Zyyke on January 09, 2004, 11:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (XDelusion @ Jan 9 2004, 09:09 PM) |
| I'm a horny fool |
Finally something I can relate to
Post by: feflicker on January 09, 2004, 12:04:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Anyone who understands the current state of emulation on the N64 knows that Surreal is not perfect, but it is very advanced for N64 emulation on the xbox. Its not a matter of opinion at this point, its a matter of facts. Yes, there are bugs. Of course there are bugs. The bugs that are due to lantus and oDD's coding side will be fixed, and the bugs that are due to the lack of features within the core/plugins will stay the same until the core/plugin is updated. |
EXACTLY. I have been emulating the N64 for about (2) years now on my PC, and I will go as far to say that Surrreal64 for the Xbox is a step ABOVE what PC emulation provides. Why? Because PC's are so different from house to house, it is almost impossible to have this level of compatability... And this is version 1.0! Unbelievable...
I don't see how people can bash the "porter" of an emulator, for the port not supporting what the original application didn't even support... That is insane. That is why it is called "porting", and not "writing".
One more thing, even if I waited the last 6 months for this release (and I did wait, eagerly!), and it really did only take Lantus and oDD a week to port, I am still very grateful. No one forced their hand, they did this for the xbox community and it is certainly more than anyone else has done for N64 emulation on the xbox (countless times more)
Iriez, oDD, Lantus, continue ignoring the haters. People out there appreciate this release
Post by: Mr. Chips on January 09, 2004, 12:30:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Thank you for redefining my point. No one will take your mind seriously unless you can speak it properly. When it comes to the internet, it becomes typing, not speaking, and the way you phrase things is key to whether the user at the other end is offended, disgruntled, or enlightened. hehehehehe prsonly ppl who typ lik this i dnt tak seriusly. |
Iriez, I agree 100%. I'm with ya there. Likklebaer, everyone hates you! BLOW ME HARD !
Post by: XDelusion on January 09, 2004, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on January 09, 2004, 01:40:00 PM
I say if you want to participate in something more worthy than arguing over internet boards, dont watch a movie... read a book. I would read a long book over a movie anyday.
Book = hundreds of hours of enjoyment with a much deeper touch.
Movie = 2 hours of enjoyment forgotten the next day.
Post by: XDelusion on January 09, 2004, 01:51:00 PM
Books are by FAR the best way to experience a story, next to actually being there yourself of course. Unfortunatly we live in a rather programtic TV/Showbiz generation, and I don't think too many people are left out there who have the patience to read and expand there mind, rather they prefer little insight into the character's mind in exchange for hot women, fast cars, and big explosions, oh and lets not forget product placement from all your favorite cheese ball rock groups.
My little spew is nothing personal either, I hate you all!
Post by: Likklebaer on January 09, 2004, 03:16:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Likklebaer, everyone hates you! |
Heehee, if only it were that simple.
| QUOTE |
| So yes, she may be ravishingly beautiful and always right, but you still have to love her. |
Why thankies XDel! How gentlemanly of you
| QUOTE |
| Mind you, i dont mean to bash (thats to you likkle), just more or less share my opinion. |
Iriez, you're easily the most fun to argue with.
Oh and I know this is petty but I just couldn't resist...
| QUOTE |
| hehehehehe prsonly ppl who typ lik this i dnt tak seriusly |
I've seen more than a few Iriez posts ending with "k thnx" have I not???... We're all guilty of this sometimes. Minor abbreviation is most often a sign of laziness or indifference rather than a poor command of the language. So don't be too hard on those folks...
Post by: XDelusion on January 09, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
Post by: Mr. Chips on January 10, 2004, 08:53:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Hey don't mention it, only the best for my woman! |
So what, do you guys cyber now?
Post by: chilin_dude on January 10, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
I read 2 500+ books a week normally... You got any favourite authors? Dean Koontz is my favourite and i have read most of his released (even under different names) as i like the tension and action!
Post by: XDelusion on January 10, 2004, 10:15:00 AM
I am looking foward to reading the new Dark Tower from King, it'll be the 1st new King Book I'll prolly ever finish as I typically only like the old stuff from him (he's gone soft).
Post by: chilin_dude on January 10, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (XDelusion @ Jan 10 2004, 08:15 PM) |
| I personally like Cliver Barker (until recently) Ann Rice, Starwars novels (even though Lucas totally contradicted them now), and of course non-fiction. I am looking foward to reading the new Dark Tower from King, it'll be the 1st new King Book I'll prolly ever finish as I typically only like the old stuff from him (he's gone soft). |
What sorts of things are they about?
I tend to go more for pschological thrillers... so that is what i would describe Dean Koontz's books as in case you were interested. ( With some sci-fi in some books.)
Post by: Likklebaer on January 10, 2004, 10:46:00 AM
I've also read alot of Anne Rice (under various names). And I much prefer her bondage-themed books to those rather dull vampire novels.
Post by: Iriez on January 10, 2004, 10:52:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Oh and I know this is petty but I just couldn't resist... |
| QUOTE |
| hehehehehe prsonly ppl who typ lik this i dnt tak seriusly |
| QUOTE |
| I've seen more than a few Iriez posts ending with "k thnx" have I not???... We're all guilty of this sometimes. Minor abbreviation is most often a sign of laziness or indifference rather than a poor command of the language. So don't be too hard on those folks... |
Incase you didnt catch it, i say "k thx" as a sarcastic smartass reply, making fun of people who are like that. Its also the same reason i ramble in grammatically incorrect sentences in caps.
Post by: Iriez on January 10, 2004, 11:07:00 AM
| QUOTE (XDelusion @ Jan 10 2004, 01:15 PM) |
| I am looking foward to reading the new Dark Tower from King, it'll be the 1st new King Book I'll prolly ever finish as I typically only like the old stuff from him (he's gone soft). |
I am also. It will be the only king book i've read once i finish it.
I've heard alot of good things about the series, so im waiting for it to be finished before i read it. Im not getting myself into another WOT saga unless its finished.
Myself, im a fantasy geek. I like david eddings, raymond feist and robert jordan to name the tops.
I of course enjoyed tolkien, though would not put him on the top of the list. Unlike likkle (and in agreeance with the rest of the world) the LOTR movie was absolutly fantastic, and return of the king was literally the best movie i've seen in my life.
| QUOTE |
| and I also liked Tolkien before they made those crappy movies |
I also cant help but to comment that this is a incredibly ignorant statement. Tolkien died years ago, what on earth does he, or the quality of his books, have to do with the movie? They were written during world war ONE for christs sake.
I DONT LIKE APPLES BECAUSE THEY MADE APPLEJUICE AND IT TASTES BAD. APPLES SUX
Post by: XDelusion on January 10, 2004, 12:08:00 PM
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As for Clive Barker. He to me is what Stephen King only dreamed of being, though for some reason King will always be more remembered. Recently Clive Barker has been writing these odd littel stories about gay guys, which I've never touched. It was hard enough to read through some of the stuff in The Great And Secret Show let alone a whole book about it!
Barker started off doing small films for school, and after that began working on plays, and soon after short stories. The short stories are in a collection called: The Books Of Blood and there are a total of 6 of them, though here in the states the books of blood 4-6 are under a different name or packed in with other novels.
The 1st books opens with the line: We are all books of blood, where ever we are opened, we are red.
-- Clive Barker.
The stories are HIGHLY influenced by the writing of H.P. Lovecraft who wrote in the 20's and 30's and is responsible for all modern horror. Basically the premise of the stories has to do with haunted houses, canabalistic sub-human races who live under the city, new and interesting twists on urban legends (Candy Man), there is one about a detective (same one from Lord Of Illusions) who is hired to protect a womans' husbands corpse from some sort of evil that will attempt to come and steal his soul from it or some shit (been a while). Ect. You would just have to read them, they are hard to describe. They all end up having to do with people loosing the flesh, or there mind, or both, and if not that, then seeking to become a god or something to that effect. Clive Barker is highly influenced by Biblical stories, as well as Fantasy and Lovecraftian Horror. There is a constant theme of the "flesh" where he states that the flesh is illusion, and suffering, and mortal, and that redemption comes from loosing the flesh...
...literally.
Or he may take it another way, and seduce the characters in the story with the pleasures of the flesh, which are not only sexual, but also VERY VERY sadistic, such as self mutalation and the like.
You'd just have to check him out.
His later stuff, is a bit different, it focusses not so much on the Horror side of things, as it does on the Fantasy. Weave World and Imagica are two prime examples of this side of his writing style:
http://www.greenmanr....clive.omni.htm
http://www.greenmanr...etimesthree.htm
He's reall hard to eplain I hope this gives you some sort of idea.
Non-Fiction authors that interest me are of course:
William S Burroughs: Naked Lunch (fiction), Junky, The Soft Machine
Aldous Huxley: Brave New World, The Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell.
Friedrich Nietzsche: Beyond Good And Evil, Thus Spake Zarathustra (fiction)
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi: Autobiography
George Harrison: I Me Mine
Ben H. Bagdikian: The media monopoly
Neil Postman: Amusing Ourselves To Death
You get the picture..
..I'm one of "them".
As for movies not being able to carry the same weight of a book...
... you should watch some David Cronenburg movies some time...
The Lord Of The Rings movies were great by the way, not toally my cup of tea, but very VERY well done I must say! I only hope that Peter Jackson now takes all this money that he has made from that, and will probably make from his upcoming re-make of King Kong and dump it back into classic horror, and bring all that back. What am I talking about?
Look here, I'm a child hood fan of his b-rate films.
http://tbhl.theoneri...ilms/index.html
Both him and Sam Raimi are going good for themselves, I just hope they NEVER loose there roots like so many do.
Post by: Likklebaer on January 10, 2004, 02:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (Iriez @ Jan 10 2004, 09:07 PM) |
| Unlike likkle (and in agreeance with the rest of the world) the LOTR movie was absolutly fantastic, and return of the king was literally the best movie i've seen in my life. |
While ROTK was the better of the 3. If it's the best movie you've ever seen then you seriously need to see some more movies. Are you seriously suggesting that this popcorn movie is better than Lawrence of Arabia, better than The Godfather, better than Dawn of the Dead?
The main problem with the LOTR movies is the horribly poor portrayal of the characters by almost all concerned. Could Viggo Mortensen look more bored to be there? Elijah Wood can't seem to manage to convey any of his character's pain and so just ends up looking bewildered all the time. And the less said about Hugo Weaving and Liv Tyler the better.
The only notable exceptions were Christopher Lee (inexcusably absent from ROTK) who is in top hammer-horror form. And Ian Holm who was nothing short of excellent as Bilbo.
And why is it they feel the need to leave out sizeable chunks of the story in exchange for additional pointless overblown action sequences? (stupid fight with cave-troll in Fellowship, Warg-writhe battle in Towers etc.)
These films aren't terrible they just rely too much on the strength of their source material to cover up the fact that no one in Hollywood has any idea anymore of how to make a good movie.
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| I also cant help but to comment that this is a incredibly ignorant statement. Tolkien died years ago, what on earth does he, or the quality of his books, have to do with the movie? They were written during world war ONE for christs sake. |
I agree I didn't make this clear enough. The reason I'm put off Tolkien right now is that whenever you mention that you like his work to people they automatically assume you're either talking about the movies or you're only reading him because you've seen the movies. I'll regain my old love for Middle Earth once all the hype has died down and the popcorn crowd have some new adaptation/remake/sequel to rave about.
Post by: mamajo on January 10, 2004, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: Likklebaer on January 10, 2004, 04:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (lantus @ Jan 11 2004, 01:16 AM) |
| and Likkle, i loved the Godfather Part 1...but i thought part 2 was even better |
Absolutely. Part 1 was excellent, Part 2 was a masterpiece.
Part 3?... what Part 3??
Post by: XDelusion on January 10, 2004, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: Likklebaer on January 10, 2004, 05:24:00 PM
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| 1 you brought up Dawn Of The Dead, which to me, is one of the best movies ever (in its uncut format) |
It took me ages to find the full director's cut of DOTD on DVD in its original 1.66:1 theatrical aspect ratio. I finally managed to get a danish 2-disc set which also contains Dario Argento's cut of the movie and Document of the Dead.
Post by: XDelusion on January 10, 2004, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: DuDeR MaN on January 10, 2004, 07:00:00 PM
my meaningless, pathetic thoughts:
books = good
movies = good
arguments = fun/funny
using words wisely = involves to much thought and key strokes
Conclusion:
Don't mess with Iriez.. he'll destroy ya.
Post by: Iriez on January 10, 2004, 07:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Jan 10 2004, 05:50 PM) | ||
While ROTK was the better of the 3. If it's the best movie you've ever seen then you seriously need to see some more movies. Are you seriously suggesting that this popcorn movie is better than Lawrence of Arabia, better than The Godfather, better than Dawn of the Dead? |
I have never seen lawrence of arabia or dawn of the dead, and quite frankly i found the godfather to be boring. The second seemed to be better, and i wouldnt dream of seeing the third.
The reason i think ROTK was the best movie ever is because it touched me on a emotional level that movies normally do not. This is because LOTR was the first fantasy epic i read. I cried in happiness when Sorontur flew to pickup frodo and sam off of the mountain at the end. It touched me very much, and the movie accomplished the same on many fronts. I completely understand why everyone can say it wasnt the best movie. The fact is that you did not read the books, or could not get into the books. Now that i have read many many more books, i can critisize tolkien's writing style, but very very fortunately, i read it first before i had much of a opinion. This left me open to really feel the book, without critisizing his writing or something else that was small. LOTR is on the bottom of my 'favorite books' list now, but to me it was the best book i ever read when i read it, and i can never get rid of the emotional feeling it gave me. It will forever be there, and it will forever touch me. How can you get anymore sad than giving up eternal life for the man you love? Its such a beautiful book/movie on so many fronts.
I will pickup lawrence of arabia sometime, it seems very interesting.
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| I agree I didn't make this clear enough. The reason I'm put off Tolkien right now is that whenever you mention that you like his work to people they automatically assume you're either talking about the movies or you're only reading him because you've seen the movies. I'll regain my old love for Middle Earth once all the hype has died down and the popcorn crowd have some new adaptation/remake/sequel to rave about. |
Yes, very true.
Though LOTR was very memorable to me, i would have to say my favorite story was from one of the lost tales books tolkien wrote. It might have been in the silmarillion aswell. It was the story of beren and tinuvel <sp?> where he and tinuvel goes into melkor's lair and steals one of the silmarillion's off his crown, and gets his hand bitten off by the beast, and The dog (i forgot his name...huang?) fights the beast to the death.
That was a really good story.
Post by: XDelusion on January 10, 2004, 08:09:00 PM
Post by: Likklebaer on January 11, 2004, 03:02:00 AM
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| Though LOTR was very memorable to me, i would have to say my favorite story was from one of the lost tales books tolkien wrote. It might have been in the silmarillion aswell. It was the story of beren and tinuvel <sp?> where he and tinuvel goes into melkor's lair and steals one of the silmarillion's off his crown, and gets his hand bitten off by the beast, and The dog (i forgot his name...huang?) fights the beast to the death. That was a really good story. |
That story was told in both the Silmarillion and the Book of Lost Tales. I think I preferred the Lost Tales version since it focussed on the characters more internally. The Silmarillion (quite intentionally due to its writing style) concentrated on the events themselves.
I look forward to seeing the extended version of ROTK as I found both the other two to be superior to their theatrical counterparts. Plus I found it criminal that they omitted two key scenes from the original story. The face-off between Gandalf and Saruman at Isengard and the face-off between Gandalf and the Witch King at the Gates of Minas Tirith. Since both of these scenes are dialogue-only with no action to speak of, I guess they figured it would test the attention span of the average american movie-goer.
Other issues they could address (but won't); why does it take Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol longer to climb that bloody cliff at the beginning than it takes to climb mount doom at the end? Why does Shelob just look like a giant tarantula (she's supposed to be far more evil and repulsive looking than that) and also change size depending on the width of the tunnel she's trying to fit down? Why does Minas Morgul look like some kind of funky nightclub? And (not really related to ROTK) after all those elves and men that had fought and died to get to this point, as if Elrond wouldn't have just pushed Isildur into the volcano at the beginning of Fellowship. Rather than save the world from inevitable darkness, he just lets him walk out with the ring!
Ah well, I guess it's a compliment to the movie that I consider it worth dissecting. Most modern movies I've forgotten before I'm even home from the cinema.
Post by: Dante_Ali on January 11, 2004, 03:25:00 AM
Lawrence of Arabia is what you would call one of the few true adventure films of the last century. It was made in 1962 but it has aged well - moreso than any other David Lean flick with the exception of Bridge On The River Kwai perhaps. It is deservedly regarded as one of the best films ever.
IMDB
Dawn of The Dead on the other hand is a zombie flick from 1978 with lots of blood and guts and a layer of social commentary somewhere in between. It is actually the second in a trilogy of zombie flicks (the first being Night Of The Living Dead) which kickstarted the whole zombie craze (it's safe to assume that without George Romero's movies there would have never been a Resident Evil) Day of The Dead SHOULD have been better than the second one but because of budget restrictions Romero had to scale down his vision for the third film and thus it ended up being the worst of the trilogy (but certainly the most thought-provoking)
A remake of Dawn of The Dead will be released in 2004 (not by the original director and without any of the original cast).
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Post by: XDelusion on January 11, 2004, 11:59:00 AM
As for Day Of The Dead, I DO NOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME understand what it not to be liked about this film, aside of the fact that they cut the script down BIG time, and took it from an X rating to a R rating. Yes it would have been great to have a super long, underground Zombie film from the master of the undead, but as he states in the interviews on the CD, he had no money, and had to make a desicion which I'm sure was not what he wanted either, nobody wants that!
Regardless, I'm sure you can track down a copy of the script on-line and read what was supposed to happen, which I plan to do.
As for what is left of the film, well Dawn is still my favorite of all time, but Day was still a GREAT film that I find no faults with. I both loved and hated the characters' the acting was on top, there was zombie aligators (can't beat that), it had the Romeroish high tention that you would expect, not to mention that Insestual father from The Crazies was back taking the role fo Dr. Frankenstein, what more can you ask for!??!
As for the Night Of The Living Dead remake from Tom Savini and Romero's sister, I TOTALLY LOVED more so than the original, I think if George had a direct hand (and he did have a small hand in this) that he would have done it exactly the same. Who ever says this film is dumb needs there head checked!
As for Part 4....
...the script has been written, some music has been composed for it, and they are waiting to start shooting, all according to Tom Savini.
Post by: guile on January 11, 2004, 12:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Jan 11 2004, 12:50 AM) |
| [/QUOTE]Elijah Wood can't seem to manage to convey any of his character's pain and so just ends up looking bewildered all the time. [/QUOTE] |
As much as I LOVED ROTK (and I REALLY did) I think
Likkle sums it up perfectly. Especially with regards
to Elijah. Very emotional movie. I was not the only
one crying in the theater. Maybe the only 6"5 guy
though
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Post by: lantus on January 11, 2004, 12:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (guile @ Jan 11 2004, 09:22 PM) | ||
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i dont know - i loved Part 1, especially Michael's transformation. And Brando was amazing. Its a fantastic movie.
But #2 took the points for me. To this day i watch it more than #1. I cant really put my finger on what makes it better.
Post by: guile on January 11, 2004, 12:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (lantus @ Jan 11 2004, 10:40 PM) | ||||
i dont know - i loved Part 1, especially Michael's transformation. And Brando was amazing. Its a fantastic movie. But #2 took the points for me. To this day i watch it more than #1. I cant really put my finger on what makes it better. |
I'm guessing it was Deniro. There was something so subtle about his performance. He
really played young Vito with so much conviction. One of the most honest performances
of his career imo.
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Post by: Drewus on January 11, 2004, 01:22:00 PM
How many people felt incredibly sorry for Fredo when he was eventually capped at the end? You saw how weak and clumsy he was through the first and second movies and felt so sorry for him because he was such an innocent character. He was killed fishing for christs sake, wearing his fishing hat and jacket.
Then there was the interest in seeing how Don Vito rose to become such an important figure. You started to realise how such a normal person can become so incredibly powerful when they are feared by everyone, and also the corruption it causes to their own self beliefs and morals(as is also evident in the third movie with Michael).
And there was also the collapse of Michaels marriage.
I just think the second movie was alot more emotional and interesting. You learnt the characters alot better, and it was alot more interesting to just see the progression in their personalities since the first movie.
Not to mention seeing the flashbacks to when Vito was a kid was a nice change of pace from the normal stuff.
Post by: XDelusion on January 11, 2004, 01:31:00 PM
So to the God Father fans, what did you all think of Scarface?
The chainsaw sceen was tasty!
Post by: LESTAT on January 11, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
and to the chap who said he liked clive barker and Anne Rice - bout time someone else saw the light. how do you like my life's story ?and clive barker is a mental freak, omfg if you havent read his books grab one of his "Books of Blood" you will understand what happens when you write a book when your tripping on acid and shrooms. dude is wierd.
Post by: XDelusion on January 11, 2004, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: Likklebaer on January 11, 2004, 03:26:00 PM
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| there was zombie aligators (can't beat that) |
Are you sure they were supposed to be zombie alligators? I just presumed they were regular alligators that just came to live on the streets due to the complete lack of people and abundance of free meat.
Post by: XDelusion on January 11, 2004, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: EcL|PsE on January 12, 2004, 05:39:00 PM
Post by: XDelusion on January 12, 2004, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: EcL|PsE on January 12, 2004, 06:14:00 PM
i suggest u read em all.
i have read em all lots
if u look at it, there are so many christian links,
like Edmunds betrayal = Judas
Aslan comes back to life = Jesus' Ressurection
in book 5 they go to 7 islands looking for his dads friends (Caspians) - represents to the 7 deadly sins or sumthing, i cant remember them all, but there are LOADsssss
book 4 may be my fave man, how dcan u leave off at it.
tho they are all GREAT
cya
Post by: XDelusion on January 12, 2004, 06:51:00 PM
...all the connections it makes to phylosophies, and scriptures outside of it, before and far away from that culture. Jesus HAD to be a traveling man!
TRUST me, I'll get back to the books, I'm not sure why I stopped in the first place, it definatly was not pre-planned.
Post by: EcL|PsE on January 12, 2004, 07:20:00 PM
i like it too.
seeing i have read all the books a lot, i downloaded the audio books and it is too good to be true, its so fresh and new, such a chaneg from reading em.
i listen to em everynight before i go to bed.
peace
Post by: Likklebaer on January 13, 2004, 12:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (XDelusion @ Jan 13 2004, 04:09 AM) |
| Lick Me: here is another thought: If the Gator's were not Undead, then you'd think that the undead would be eating them. Therefore they HAVE to be! Live flesh is live flesh, human or not. |
Fine, you try biting into an alligator and see what happens to you.
Post by: XDelusion on January 13, 2004, 10:57:00 PM