Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 01:23:00 PM
Leaking the emu is a slap in the face to oDD and all those involved, if the author wanted to make a public release, he would have done so. I think many will remember what happened the last time an n64 emu was leaked; hopefully history will not repeat itself.
Discussion will be permitted, without discussing where to get the emu of course
This post has been edited by heinrich on Jan 2 2004, 07:28 AM
Post by: Iriez on January 01, 2004, 08:09:00 PM
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| Session Start (Iriez:CLuis): Thu Jan 01 19:06:52 2004 [19:06] CLuis: hey [19:06] CLuis: its CLuis [19:06] Iriez: sup man [19:07] CLuis: u needed me? [19:07] Iriez: yes i did [19:07] CLuis: hmm wut did i do now? lol [19:08] Iriez: Sun Dec 28 23:38:09 2003 29 pool-141-151-17-27.phil.east.verizon.net 2724104 /site/private/xboxdevelopers/Surreal?64?RC2.rar b _ o r CLuis ftp 0 * [19:08] Iriez: Who else did you give that file to? [19:08] CLuis: just me and a friend i wanted to see wut it was [19:09] Iriez: Find out what your friend did with it. [19:09] Iriez: That was a N64 emulator thats been in the works for 6 months [19:09] CLuis: y? did it get leaked? [19:09] Iriez: we were || ready for a public release [19:09] Iriez: it got leaked last night [19:10] CLuis: so its not gonna be released? [19:10] CLuis: damn it plays games so well too [19:10] Iriez: yes, well you dont *ever* take something that doesnt belong to you. [19:10] Iriez: that was a private directory [19:10] Iriez: you had no right to snoop into others directories and download files [19:10] CLuis: oh i didnt know [19:10] Iriez: you abused your privledges...severly [19:11] Iriez: and i need you to find out *exactly* what your friend did with it [19:11] CLuis: lemme ask him [19:11] Iriez: ok. [19:14] CLuis: CLuis says: did DaRebel leak it? -={TS}=-PwN (WaLKa) says: yes -={TS}=-PwN (WaLKa) says: he put it on the halomods server [19:14] CLuis: theres ur answer [19:14] CLuis: sorry about that [19:17] Iriez: You are now perm banned from any xbins services. [19:17] CLuis: wut?!?! [19:17] Iriez: Yes. [19:17] CLuis: come on i didnt know [19:18] Iriez: This is what happens when you steal someone elses work, and give it to your friends [19:18] Iriez: This isnt some joke [19:18] Iriez: This isnt some childish whim [19:18] Iriez: this is 6 months of fucking work [19:18] Iriez: leaked. [19:18] CLuis: i didnt know [19:18] Iriez: You remember daedalus? [19:18] Iriez: The development permantly stopped [19:18] Iriez: because of this same exact scenario [19:18] CLuis: damn [19:18] Iriez: PRAY the dev's feel like i do. [19:19] Iriez: or this will never progress. [19:19] Iriez: who is darebel? [19:19] Iriez: and who is pwn walka? [19:19] CLuis: #halomods channel [19:19] Iriez: oh what server? [19:20] CLuis: (Link: http://www.halomods.com)www.halomods.com [19:20] CLuis: thats the server [19:20] CLuis: u gonnna go on there [19:20] Iriez: yes. [19:21] Iriez: is darebel your friend? [19:22] Iriez: or is he your friends friend? [19:22] CLuis: friend [19:26] CLuis: so y r u in that channel anyways? [19:29] CLuis: so i cant even goto #xbins on EFNet and get a temp account everytime i need something? [19:29] Iriez: Nope. [19:29] CLuis: Y NOT? [19:29] Iriez: Why is it so hard for you to understand? You disgraced hardworking developers [19:29] Iriez: im personally insulted [19:30] Iriez: you abused your privledges in the worst way [19:30] CLuis: iretch shoulda never gave u access [19:30] CLuis: FUCKER! [19:30] Iriez: iretch? [19:30] Iriez: I've always ran the servers [19:30] Iriez: i gave iretch access buddy. [19:30] CLuis: FUCK YOU and ur DEVS [19:31] CLuis: i can get on xbins with other PC's [19:31] CLuis: u cant ban all my IP's [19:31] Iriez: sorry, i dont own them. You mean the xbox scene's dev's? [19:31] Iriez: i cant [19:31] Iriez: Your right. [19:31] Iriez: Its not meant to be a permant brick wall [19:31] Iriez: its meant to be a inconvienence [19:31] Iriez: anyone can get around a ban [19:31] CLuis: ill just change my IP [19:31] Iriez: thats your punishment for turning your back on hardworking people [19:31] CLuis: i didnt fucking know [19:31] Iriez: yea, well what if i banned your whole subnet? = ) [19:32] Iriez: well well...lets see what ip's you got here over hte past few months. [19:32] CLuis: theres always friends accross the street [19:32] Iriez: on the same isp = ) [19:32] CLuis: no [19:32] CLuis: i got DSL [19:32] Iriez: its cool [19:32] Iriez: i'll ban your block. [19:32] Iriez: the library? [19:32] CLuis: u cant do that [19:32] Iriez: ok, i'll ban your city. [19:32] CLuis: go ahead [19:32] Iriez: then whatcha gonna do leaker? [19:32] Iriez: drive to the next country ? [19:32] CLuis: i hope someone crashes ur servers [19:33] CLuis: not everything is secure [19:33] Iriez: luckily ours is. [19:33] CLuis: wut if i leak all the other shit i got off of there? [19:33] Iriez: theres nothing else to leak buddy = ) [19:33] Iriez: its all public. [19:33] Iriez: you only got one thing that was private tough guy [19:34] Iriez: Your a disgrace to developers [19:34] Iriez: Quit while your down. [19:34] CLuis: i aint down [19:34] CLuis: shit fuck u [19:34] Iriez: LOL [19:34] CLuis: wut have u developed? [19:34] CLuis: NOTHING! [19:35] Iriez: Oh [19:35] Iriez: You mean the entire hub of hte homebrew scene? [19:35] Iriez: yea, your right [19:35] CLuis: wow easy [19:35] Iriez: glftpd source mods that arnt public? [19:35] Iriez: yea, k [19:35] CLuis: i mean SOFTWARE! [19:35] Iriez: Go ahead... (Link: www.glftpd.com)www.glftpd.com [19:35] Iriez: go do what we did [19:35] Iriez: see how well you do it = ) [19:35] Iriez: oh whats that [19:35] Iriez: dsl ? [19:35] Iriez: how about OC3 ? [19:35] CLuis: FUCK you [19:36] Iriez: whats thats ... we served 730GB in decemeber alone? [19:36] Iriez: do that on your dsl tough guy [19:36] CLuis: wow [19:36] Iriez: anyways [19:36] Iriez: this was quite fun [19:36] Iriez: thanks for freshing my night ...leaker [19:36] CLuis: sure ir was Session Close (CLuis): Thu Jan 01 19:39:03 2004 |
He is the dev of halo map patcher/ halo xbe hacker. He had a account on xbins, and access to some private directories. Normally such directories are restricted to specific groups, but unfortunately i missed a single letter in a conf, which made the dir visable to CLuis. If there are fingers to point, one can definitly be pointed at me.
CLuis is [email protected] (obtained the file)
DaRebel is [email protected] (got the file from CLuis and put it on halomods.com server)
Gave it to a certian 'kestal' on irc, whom gave it to 'morfious' to post on the usenet newsgroup.
Well, thats the start and the end to that story.
changed SN's -heinrich
This post has been edited by heinrich on Jan 2 2004, 07:37 AM
Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 08:22:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Gave it to a certian 'kestal' on irc |
Who uses the nick 'Valdek' here on the forums.
Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 09:21:00 PM
Do not ask where to find the emu of course.
You can read what transpired above.
I'll start off by saying, wtf?
As for the feelings of the person who I feel is most responsible for leak (see previous post), here is what he has to say.
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| I highly doubt that history applies here. If people stop working on a project, they didn't want it to succeed badly enough. If oDD were to completely and permanently stop development on the new emulator, that would go against everything he's said in the past. We all want to help each other out, that's why we're here. And when Xbox modding and building apps are all illegal anyways, the priorities and moralities involved are usually distorted somewhat. If you were in #removed, that means you download things from there, I see no other reason for you to be there. This means you download games, apps, and other illegal things. You could deny it, but I'm sure lots of people do it and don't want to admit to it. But, I don't think it matters if you do or do not. When a game is released ahead of time, before a public release is scheduled (such as, Kill Switch, which was released a month ahead of time), everyone is happy for it. Yet, the "hard-working devs" of that project are being "slapped in the face". Yet, it pleases so many people. Anyways, if oDD wanted to give back to the community, which he obviously does as he's making the emulator, he wouldn't stop development now. I don't really see the point in holding back the release date when he could've released the RC2 himself. If he had released it, instead of someone leaking it, this would've been full of praise for him, it's a very good release. And I do believe oDD has done some EXCELLENT work, I wasn't lying about that. The emulator is great. Maybe the one who leaked it was just trying to speed things up and give back to the community? Everyone wanted it, he or she simply gave it to them. My point here is that everyone had good intentions with what they were doing. And in the Xbox Scene, saying some things against is blatant hypocrisy. (Especially when you were in #removed, a channel dedicated to releasing commercial games to the public, some ahead of time) |
I think his logic is somewhat flawed, mainly because:
1) Unlike commercial game devs, homebrew devs are not being paid for their hard work
2) Being in an IRC channel means nothing, if anyone really wants to know, I was in the channel waiting for a certain xbox related software release
Post by: MIGHTYone on January 01, 2004, 10:08:00 PM
Post by: JSanford on January 01, 2004, 09:32:00 PM
I have waited on chiming in on this but I can't stand it any longer...
Not to throw water on all of your expectations but I don't honestly see how this new EMU could live up all of the hype it's been given. I for one have to say of what I have heard it is basically a new interface with the option of using 1964, PJ64 and UltraHLE. Of those 3 options with all the ROMs floating around out there, still only a mediocre percentage of Roms are considerably playable at this point! N64 Emulation on an XBOX will NEVER be at the same standard as SNES...
Just seems to me like we've been responsible for making this thing larger than it could ever be. We've had people basically equate this new EMU with the cure to cancer.... sigh..
If it's released great. If it is not, then thanks to the guys for giving it a shot. I just hate to see things come down to the mess we've witnessed over the last several weeks....
Now to get off my soapbox. Thanks for listening.
Post by: MIGHTYone on January 01, 2004, 09:37:00 PM
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| I have waited on chiming in on this but I can't stand it any longer... Not to throw water on all of your expectations but I don't honestly see how this new EMU could live up all of the hype it's been given. I for one have to say of what I have heard it is basically a new interface with the option of using 1964, PJ64 and UltraHLE. Of those 3 options with all the ROMs floating around out there, still only a mediocre percentage of Roms are considerably playable at this point! N64 Emulation on an XBOX will NEVER be at the same standard as SNES... Just seems to me like we've been responsible for making this thing larger than it could ever be. We've had people basically equate this new EMU with the cure to cancer.... sigh.. If it's released great. If it is not, then thanks to the guys for giving it a shot. I just hate to see things come down to the mess we've witnessed over the last several weeks.... Now to get off my soapbox. Thanks for listening. |
Youve posted the exact same thing in "..::the New N64 Emu::.. " a while ago. And to be honest, the whole tone of ur post is quite negative...
Post by: jizzlobber on January 01, 2004, 11:38:00 PM
now we all fear this leak may ruin things.
we would like to know how oDD feels (besides pissed off) and what can we expect from this emu now?
Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 09:39:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| (Just wanna restate a previous set of statements I made.) |
Post by: Ridley on January 01, 2004, 11:39:00 PM
Post by: ncc1701p on January 01, 2004, 09:41:00 PM
So I guess this is my question:
Why are people burning to have a good working n64 emulator. What is it about the n64 that really makes posts and reads n64-related so high
On a side note: I think what happened sucks ballz. I just hope it doesnt get ruined for the rest of the population. Having something u've worked on for months stolen really stinks. Its happened to me in the work place so I understand how mad/sad oDD must feel.
Post by: Rileq on January 01, 2004, 11:41:00 PM
EDIT: That's a good point.... how many GOOD N64 games were there? I can only think of a handful.....
This post has been edited by Rileq on Jan 2 2004, 07:44 AM
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 01, 2004, 11:42:00 PM
As for whats going to happen with this emu time will tell us. OdD has benn working on this emu now for a good 6 months even tho he couldnot keep his promise for a christmas release his excuse was good enough & i along with other people were happy to wait afew more weeks for a final release considering we waited 6 months. Now to the person that leaked it i am dissapointed First of all you betrayed the trust of iriez. Tho i cant say much about my trust on there i notified all my actions to iriez the day i broke something. Iriez along with many other ppl have put alot of time & hard work to keep the xbox scene pumping. I cannot figure out why you couldnot wait afew more days / weeks for a final release its not your emulator to decide when 2 release or not to.
I am not using this emulator nor have i tried it I will be waiting for an official release from OdD then i will use it.
Some people dont understand how hard it is to code something like this considering the lack of recourses & power the xbox has. Its not as simple as chaging afew lines of code around or as i have seen some newbies try to do rename an exe to a xbe. This take long hours of sitting down on a computer coding thousounds of lines of code.
I along with the other mods on xbox-scene & xbins will appriciate it if no one posts any links to the where abouts of this emulator & posts that do will be removed.
NO REQUEST NO HELP NO COMPATIBILITY LISTS CONSIDER THIS AS YOUR FIRST AND FINAL WARNING.
TO OdD and secret coders you have my full support with this emu & i hope you dont give up on all this hard work you have put into it.
This post has been edited by HoRnEyDvL on Jan 2 2004, 07:43 AM
Post by: tom_g05 on January 01, 2004, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: JSanford on January 01, 2004, 11:43:00 PM
Post by: PolarPyro on January 01, 2004, 09:43:00 PM
Post by: Rileq on January 01, 2004, 09:47:00 PM
I saw a thread once about someone integrating a DC into the Xbox...anyone know where that is?
Post by: Valdek on January 01, 2004, 09:48:00 PM
My overall point here is that you're hyping this leak WAY too much. Everyone wanted the release, that's for certain. Someone just gave them all what they wanted. And if it was going to be released that day anyways (as you said in a PM to me, Iriez), then it was probably the same version or only minor changes. So what's the big deal? Someone just sped up the process. It's not like it's giving any of you a bad name, here. The emulator is a VERY good release and I applaud your efforts on it and your efforts to continually better the community. You may think that I prove this statement wrong myself, but sometimes you have to choose a lesser evil.
As for the previous PMs, I'm thinking about putting them up on my webspace for everyone to see, since you left out LOTS of information and discussion regarding the subject.
Post by: da_shiznit on January 01, 2004, 09:53:00 PM
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| I'm telling you, all I need is a DC Emu and decent PSX compatibility and I'll never need another system for a good 20 years. I saw a thread once about someone integrating a DC into the Xbox...anyone know where that is? |
wtf?
sorry but i dont see what this has to do with anything?lol (excuse my french )
Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 09:54:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| As for the leaker...... booooooooooooooooooooo! Can we DoS him or something? |
Well, the problem is, it was 'mistakes' all along. As Iriez said..
| QUOTE |
| Normally such directories are restricted to specific groups, but unfortunately i missed a single letter in a conf, which made the dir visable to CLuis. If there are fingers to point, one can definitly be pointed at me. |
While this is indeed a mistake, I have an account on the FTP, along with the xbins staff and most homebrew devs. From the standpoint of running that FTP, if someone is given an account, then they should be able to be trusted not to abuse what they are given access too. CLuis was not the only one who downloaded the emu, its just he made the severe mistake of sharing it with a buddy (DaRebel), who did the same to another (kestal/Valdek), who the asked morfious to post it. IMO, while all of the above people are somewhat to blame, I feel that most falls on kestal/Valdek because he INTENDED to share it with thousands of people. Iriez is human, he made an error, CLuis made the mistake of abusing his privs on an FTP server and sharing what he had access to.
Fingers can be pointed all day long, and with the exception of Iriez, everyone will defend what they did.
Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 09:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (Cap'nStonedMonkey @ Jan 2 2004, 02:49 AM) | ||
wasnt there a contest that raised thousands of dollars for this emu |
*was*
That contest is over, and the author(s) were paid.
Post by: Rileq on January 01, 2004, 09:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (da_shiznit @ Jan 1 2004, 10:53 PM) | ||
wtf? sorry but i dont see what this has to do with anything?lol (excuse my french ) |
I'm just trying to joke a bit, that's all. Everyone's a bit uptight about all this......
Hey OdD, if you're reading these posts, congrats on some great work. Please don't let all this have any affect on current and future projects.
BTW, has OdD responded to this publicly yet?
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 01, 2004, 10:04:00 PM
Afew post some 1 said that it was good 2 release and sees nothing wrong with a leak & cant see why it will kill the emu. I didnot say it will defenently kill the emu but looking back @ other emus Deadalusx64 was leaked & then died out. Its not all iriez fault but i think its probably everyones fault that did download it from the directory on xbins. With this said i kind of find this as my fault as well tho i didnot do anything wrong so if your about 2 blame iriez Just blame it on me but take this into consideration. Iriez has helped 10000's of newbies by setting up a ftp server that serves gigs of files daily.
Post by: SniperKilla on January 01, 2004, 10:05:00 PM
but people need to stop banning and closing threads over it.. it has happened no matter by how much accicdent.. it is out there now and it has been posted to the newsgroups..
nothing that anyone does can change that, so i suggest moving into the future and stop living in the past.
Post by: CrazyPale on January 01, 2004, 10:09:00 PM
U MOMS
Post by: Gotetsu on January 01, 2004, 10:09:00 PM
|.-I dont think this version is beta... its extremly nicely done and it runs perfect with all my games...
2.-Iriez... dont worry, we are humans.
3.-oDD... please be intelligent, ignore this people and continue this extremely magnificent well done emu.
Lets forget this, and continue with our lives...
Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 10:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (SniperKilla @ Jan 2 2004, 03:05 AM) |
| it is an unfortunate thing that has happened.... but people need to stop banning and closing threads over it.. it has happened no matter by how much accicdent.. it is out there now and it has been posted to the newsgroups.. nothing that anyone does can change that, so i suggest moving into the future and stop living in the past. |
The only accounts that have been banned over this are ones who spammed links to download the emu. And obviously, no one is closing any threads now
Post by: Foe-hammer on January 01, 2004, 10:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (Valdek @ Jan 2 2004, 07:48 AM) |
| Someone just gave them all what they wanted. And if it was going to be released that day anyways (as you said in a PM to me, Iriez), then it was probably the same version or only minor changes. So what's the big deal? Someone just sped up the process. |
It's not your place to release the emulator, dumbass. You didn't do any of the developing. So, if it was already going to be released the same day as you leaked it, as you stated, why the hell leak it then?? Seams to me you just wanted to be a prick, and gain some recognition for something you had nothing to do with; in programming the emu, that is.
Pathetic!
Post by: Valdek on January 01, 2004, 10:15:00 PM
I didn't know the emulator was going to be released THAT DAY, I just found out a little while ago when Iriez PM'd me.
And I'm undecided whether to post the original PMs that heinrich "forgot" to post, pending a reply from Iriez.
Post by: CaicedoLuis on January 01, 2004, 10:16:00 PM
Nuff' Said. Period
Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 10:17:00 PM
EDIT:
pm1
pm2
pm3
Post by: havocaose on January 01, 2004, 10:20:00 PM
and the whole " file not found **CRAZIE IS A BITCH**" was kinda funny
Post by: Foe-hammer on January 01, 2004, 10:26:00 PM
| QUOTE (j0ey @ Jan 2 2004, 08:21 AM) |
| Omg it plays C0nker!!!!1 mad props to oDD... |
First of all, STFU!
And second, People, have some respect for the developers and wait for them to officially release it before you unthankfully use it.
Post by: alf on January 01, 2004, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: tom_g05 on January 01, 2004, 10:30:00 PM
Quote
And second, People, have some respect for the developers and wait for them to officially release it before you unthankfully use it.
Post by: Gotetsu on January 01, 2004, 10:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (Foe-hammer @ Jan 2 2004, 08:26 AM) | ||
First of all, STFU! And second, People, have some respect for the developers and wait for them to officially release it before you unthankfully use it. |
say that to the 10000000 persons who are downloading it via a well known p2p app...
Post by: CrazyPale on January 01, 2004, 10:32:00 PM
Post by: j0ey on January 01, 2004, 10:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (Foe-hammer @ Jan 2 2004, 08:26 AM) |
| First of all, STFU! |
1)whoa who pissed in your corn flakes jr?
2)no need to drop STFU-Bombs...
3)stop acting like your oDD's older brother....
4)
Post by: Iriez on January 01, 2004, 10:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (CaicedoLuis @ Jan 2 2004, 01:16 AM) |
| We are all to blame.. even Iriez for giving me acces to that directory in the first place. |
I never gave anyone access.
As i specifically told you, and everyone else, a simple typo in our ftpd conf ( i left one letter out, after i've done this dozen's of times without a hitch) made it so that people with normal accounts could see what would normally be invisible.
I certianlly did not intentionally give *anyone* access to something that was strictly private.
The bottom line is you dont go snooping in your neighbor's house simply because its unlocked. Downloading another person's unheard of private project and sharing it with your friends is the same concept. Its simply, totally, completely without any misunderstanding, inappropriate, immature, disrespectful and flat down wrong.
Releasing something that is not yours is also wrong. (especially when this something has been contributed by hard working developers on their own free time for 6...fucking...months).
I am to blame for my simple typo. While i am at fault for my mistake, my intentions are, and always have been, in the right place. I didnt share this emu' with all of my buddies and put it up on my halomods.com server.
On a more positive note, i've heard alot of good feedback from the emu, despite the fact that it was leaked.
Yes, it was a RC 2 release. Valdick here claim that "wah i didnt know it was going to be released soon" but you know what? ITS RC 2 BUDDY. You dont know what that means? You didnt see the multiple posts from me in the past 3 days urging how close the release was? Christ it couldnt have been more crystal clear to you. I'll have no sympathy for you. Your liberal robin hood values dont apply here. This ALREADY IS a free society here, and we dont need morons claiming they are doing good by giving what was already ready to be given for free.
Regardless of what idiotic thoughts may run through your head, YOU ARE NOT HELPING A GODDAMN THING. You are doing nothing but *hurting* this scene by directly insulting the people that *make this scene what it is*. developers.
Post by: Iriez on January 01, 2004, 10:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (CraiZE @ Jan 2 2004, 01:33 AM) |
| And i thank iriez for collecting all those covers, even if its all you could do, im happy you've done it, and thanks to lantus for working on the plugins. Keep on working on it odd, and PJ64 devs  |
*shakes head*
I knew you were arrogantly dense, but i never imagined you were that clueless.
Guess i cant expect much out of a bitch though.
Post by: Foe-hammer on January 01, 2004, 10:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Gotetsu @ Jan 2 2004, 08:32 AM) | ||||
say that to the 10000000 persons who are downloading it via a well known p2p app... |
Ok
Post by: Gotetsu on January 01, 2004, 10:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Iriez @ Jan 2 2004, 08:41 AM) |
| Guess i cant expect much out of a bitch though. |
Word
Post by: CaicedoLuis on January 01, 2004, 10:46:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I certianlly did not intentionally give *anyone* access to something that was strictly private. The bottom line is you dont go snooping in your neighbor's house simply because its unlocked. |
I didn't intentionally leak this emu! so why r u giving me all the blame? And don't think of it as a neighbors house becuase it was my account and i had access. If a neighbor gave me access to his house then i would go in. And i didn't know about the typo until after the emu was leaked
| QUOTE |
| As i specifically told you, and everyone else, a simple typo in our ftpd conf ( i left one letter out, after i've done this dozen's of times without a hitch) made it so that people with normal accounts could see what would normally be invisible. |
You made a simple typo and i made a simple mistake of sharing the file.
In the End everyone was pleased with the emu. Hopefully the developer would see that and say hey my work is good and continue!
Post by: Morien on January 01, 2004, 10:49:00 PM
Is this version going to be properly released still? Or is the leak going to be available on Xbins?
Morien
Post by: Iriez on January 01, 2004, 10:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Jan 2 2004, 01:47 AM) |
| Now iriez shut the fuck up ot share the ms dash and kernel srcs to make the scene going faster than ever. If u don't do so never say again u serve the scene, cause by keeping that for your friend you're blocking evolution for the whole scene. |
*makes little hand ducky figure*
rabble rabble rabble.
Ease off the booze rabble boy.
Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 10:50:00 PM
Post by: CrazyPale on January 01, 2004, 10:51:00 PM
All u damn moms
Post by: tom_g05 on January 01, 2004, 10:52:00 PM
Post by: CaicedoLuis on January 01, 2004, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: Valdek on January 01, 2004, 10:55:00 PM
I'm not going to release the other PMs yet (there were more than heinrich posted) because Iriez doesn't think they're neccesary (and I can respect that).
Now, as this topic is getting bombarded by racists and morons, how about we try to get over this. It was a little bit of everyone's fault. And as iriez himself has said, there IS a positive response to the emu. It's not really as big of a deal as you profess it to be. Can't we just get over it? There's nothing we can do about it anyways, right?
Post by: Gotetsu on January 01, 2004, 10:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (CaicedoLuis @ Jan 2 2004, 08:54 AM) |
| i didnt even know there was an emu in development. i was too busy paying asttention to Halo Hacking |
AH there!!!
You have your excuse... i guess we can all go to bed now :S
Post by: AkumAPRIME on January 01, 2004, 10:57:00 PM
ehb
Please don't be too offended by all the BS. SOme of us have been waiting semi-patiently. Don't let them mind fuck you or anything. Just give us a werd so we know what to thin/do/etc. I am a mindless EMU eating sheep!
ehb
Post by: CaicedoLuis on January 01, 2004, 10:58:00 PM
and seriously i didnt even know about the new emu
Post by: heinrich on January 01, 2004, 10:59:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I'm not going to release the other PMs yet (there were more than heinrich posted) because Iriez doesn't think they're neccesary (and I can respect that). |
I posted all the PMs I sent to you, I don't know what is so special about them though...
Post by: Iriez on January 01, 2004, 11:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Jan 2 2004, 01:54 AM) |
| Iriez tell us why you keep it for your friends then ? to make the scene slow ? to bring fame to your friend once they are able to compile stuff ? |
What friends?
Are you trying to claim your my friend? = ) Any friends i have that are able to 'compile stuff' can research themselves quite fine thank you.
I repeat, lay off the booze ramble boy.
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 01, 2004, 11:00:00 PM
. Yes this emu is getting some good responces since we cant do anything about this release iriez do u think we shpould start a thread that will help odD nail some bugs out for the final release maybe something like a compatibility list or something like that. NOW no 1 start making up threads this is mearly a suggestion to iriez to see what he thinks.
Post by: tom_g05 on January 01, 2004, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on January 01, 2004, 11:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (HoRnEyDvL @ Jan 2 2004, 02:00 AM) |
| well said iriez . Yes this emu is getting some good responces since we cant do anything about this release iriez do u think we shpould start a thread that will help odD nail some bugs out for the final release maybe something like a compatibility list or something like that. NOW no 1 start making up threads this is mearly a suggestion to iriez to see what he thinks. |
No, most definitly not.
I had already planned ( a week ago mind you) to start a suggestions/bugs thread the instant the emu was released.
But whats that you say? Oh yes, the emu hasnt been released!
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 01, 2004, 11:05:00 PM
Post by: Valdek on January 01, 2004, 11:06:00 PM
Anyways, I agree with HoRnEyDvL here.
Post by: AkumAPRIME on January 01, 2004, 11:09:00 PM
ehb
Post by: love_tropicana on January 01, 2004, 11:09:00 PM
Oh so all in all.... It's a shame but please don't be so aggressive about it, it just messes up the scene further. Kids will be kids and we should watch their misstakes and tell them how much they suck and stuff (And, before i get jumped... No, English isn't my native language... deal with it)
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 01, 2004, 11:10:00 PM
Post by: Rileq on January 01, 2004, 11:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (HoRnEyDvL @ Jan 2 2004, 12:05 AM) |
| Ok iriez cool no worries. Any ways some 1 post something intresting stop the flaming. |
Did you know the human head weighs eight pounds?
*stunned silence and "wtf?" looks from X-S members*
Thank you! I'll be here all week!
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 01, 2004, 11:13:00 PM
Post by: CaicedoLuis on January 01, 2004, 11:15:00 PM
/me waits......
Post by: Sir Auros on January 01, 2004, 11:19:00 PM
I'll wait around for the official release, but the way people are talking, the emu sounds pretty good...now if only I could get fuckin' Xsnes9x to work...
Post by: NeoCverA on January 01, 2004, 11:21:00 PM
Ive been in and out of a lot of FTPS man and you dont dig through 3 directories by accident.
first one is somewhat boring..........next one (private)---oh shizzy must be some good stuff
next one /xboxdevelopers........unless your used to sending stuff here or you post stuff int his directory, you surely knew it wasnt for you (but hey you broke past the PRIVATE directory -----COOL! (sarcasm)
finally among all the files that floated about in that final directory, for some reason this one (Surreal?64?RC2.rar) caught your eye and you had to pass it on to a buddy to try out.
there has to be dozens of new files in and out of that ftp daily but for some reason that file was the one to get....... c'mon.
Yea its all said and done and over, blah blah..........but at least admit you knew exactly wtf you were doing.
your mistake wasnt just being cool with one of your bros and you know it man.
Iriez: a lot of people have brought up a question as to what ODD thinks of all this.......youve defended a lot comments made toward you but this has yet to be addressed. Obviously your not his spokesman and Odd knows whats going on........theres hundreds possibly thousands of people though that have nothing to do with all this but are definately concerned about the future of this emulator. Having such a following incurs some responsibility in these situations and i think the responsible thing would be to address these concerns or at least share your thoughts (odd) on all this.
Post by: Rileq on January 01, 2004, 11:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (Sir Auros @ Jan 2 2004, 12:19 AM) |
| Well, I doubt oDD would just drop the project because of the leak. Yeah, it is kind of an insult, but at the same time, it would be the height of immaturity for him to just drop it entirely and refuse to let it have its official release just because it was leaked. I'll wait around for the official release, but the way people are talking, the emu sounds pretty good...now if only I could get fuckin' Xsnes9x to work... |
How are you having trouble? It's fairly straightforward.
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 01, 2004, 11:32:00 PM
Post by: Sir Auros on January 01, 2004, 11:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Rileq @ Jan 2 2004, 04:21 AM) |
| How are you having trouble? It's fairly straightforward. |
Offtopic - Just won't work on my Xbox anymore no matter what I do and I didn't get good performance out of it before either.
Ontopic - oDD has really won my respect as a programmer by actually treating those with no programming skills with respect instead of holding his over them and becoming an asshole porter, so this really is pretty shitty that someone did this to him.
EDIT - For the love of motherfuckin' god people! If you you mean "you are" it's fucking "you're," not "your," get it right.
Post by: NeoCverA on January 01, 2004, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: Morien on January 01, 2004, 11:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (love_tropicana @ Jan 2 2004, 09:09 AM) |
| It was an accident, a stupid one but still an accident. |
The point is though, that it was an accident that it got leaked. But I can see NO way of justifying the leaker (sorry can't remember the name and cbf going back a few pages to find out) going into folders named 'Private' and downloading the contents and giving them to someone else.
Post by: UnhappyKlown3 on January 02, 2004, 12:18:00 AM
Anyways...
KITTAY!
Ok... that said, I would like to... KITTAY!
Mkay, anyways. This whole entire leak sucks (yes, I know you know it sucks). THere wont be that release excitement that should be trueley experienced. The devs wont get that feeling of satisfaction as they throw a piece of bread into a box of hungry children (metaphorically speaking).
Something that should have been nothing but happiness turned into a 6 page thread with racist Mexican remarks and Jokk slurring his conspiracy theory........ forget it, I suck at long good posts.
Kittay!
Post by: dreamss on January 02, 2004, 12:28:00 AM
| QUOTE |
privpath <path> <flag/-user/=group> Here you define who will get access to certain directories. Users that do not match any flags/groups/usernames will not see the directory. |
Post by: desertboy on January 02, 2004, 12:36:00 AM
It's simply a matter of respect!
Respect for oDD, the anon coder & Iriez (for his contribution to the scene) if you don't have respect you have nothing you might as well take that last fiver out your grandparents heating money to spend on solvents. Me I'm not going to download the emulator until the official release what a few more days (Or weeks even). oDD isn't going to stop developing the emu and Iriez isn't going to stop putting stuff on xbins but I Iriez is going to be on the ball and oDD is probably going to be pissed.
I've played around with .99 and it works beautifully but you need to spend quite a lot of time playing with options to get the games running well so I suspect it will take some time to get the emulator running well on the majority of games. Rice 5.2.0 plugin rocks not quite as good as glide64 but I think the future's bright for N64 emulation but we just got to wait a bit longer.
Post by: TomisH on January 02, 2004, 01:07:00 AM
A word of respect goes to all the porters. Iriez - Congratulations as for being the Head Mod. Keep up the good work. And trust no one!
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 02, 2004, 01:14:00 AM
Post by: oDD_ on January 02, 2004, 01:51:00 AM
G'Night
Post by: tom_g05 on January 02, 2004, 02:04:00 AM
. Well I aint downloading it until its officially released. oohh yeah btw oDD how'd you come up with the name surreal? I'd really like to know.
Post by: chilin_dude on January 02, 2004, 02:04:00 AM
Iriez: At least you admitted you made a very simple mistake (I know loads of people wouldn't have any idea how to secure a ftp fully properly.) And this makes you the bigger man for it.
The Leakers: You have admitted you all had a hand in leaking the emu, this at least shows some sense. However as someone said not far up, you don't go through three directories and grab just 1 file... i would like to see the ftp log to see about a few things.
oDD: Thankyou for continuing the work on this, i am sure I and many other people will not download the emu as if anything it could be a dissapointment and i know if i dl'd I would be dissapointed in myself!
Lantus: You sly dog! That was the big surprise then! So you're the other 'mysterious' dev of this emu!
Also the name surreal 64: Nice choice!
Post by: devlkore on January 02, 2004, 02:07:00 AM
I'm a bit pissed off that this has happened, since everyone (including) me, wants this emulator, and most of us were willing to wait for it and it would've been brilliant, it would've been like the second coming off Kawa-X (remember how alive the message board was when that was released?).
Now, since oDD is away, we don't even know if he knows, I guess he doe, but what if he comes back from holiday (or whatever) and sees the mess? How's that gonna make him feel and if he doesn't continue developing then we're all screwed because someone decided to download STufF in a directory called "private" and give it to their friends.
CLuis, don't act like you were innocent or you only made a mistake, when a folder is called "private" that means you shouldn't even be looking at the contents unless you know for a fact that you should. Then downloading STufF from there, well, to be honest, I think a lot of people would in that situation, y'know, just to have a sneak peek, I think this is still wrong, but it doesn't necessarily hurt anyone. But to then share the private STufF with anyone else is just taking the piss.
LA!
That's what I think.
BYEEEEE!!
Post by: oDD_ on January 02, 2004, 02:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (tom_g05 @ Jan 2 2004, 12:04 PM) |
| oohh yeah btw oDD how'd you come up with the name surreal? I'd really like to know. |
Not sure. lantus, Iriez and myself just went through numerous words and Surreal 64 sounded great.
From dictionary.com:
sur·re·al
adj.
Having an oddly dreamlike quality.
(Plus it has my name in the meaning for it
)
Post by: tom_g05 on January 02, 2004, 02:33:00 AM
Post by: Shadowland on January 02, 2004, 02:36:00 AM
That is all...
/me - continues to wait patiently and eagerly, for the official...Surreal64 release
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 02, 2004, 02:39:00 AM
Post by: tom_g05 on January 02, 2004, 02:42:00 AM
or even this word idiosyncratic 64 lolz, dictionary.com is a mad site this might actually help increase my vocabulary.
Post by: shorty on January 02, 2004, 03:06:00 AM
Good luck with everything and forget the "pricks"
Laters.... happy new year to all, shorty.....
Post by: johnmiceter on January 02, 2004, 03:41:00 AM
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 02, 2004, 03:58:00 AM
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 04:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (dreamss @ Jan 2 2004, 03:28 AM) | ||
| i think this shows how able iriez is as a GLFTPD admin, also the kind of security they got for devs, sad... he said he missed a single letter which i think its bullshit, and left the dir unprotected he needs to read the glftpd.docs a few times
|
Yea, and i think someone like yourself needs a little advice himself.
Dont open your mouth unless you want to stick your own foot in it.
| QUOTE |
| privpath /site/private/xboxdeveloper =STAFF =xboxdevelopers |
was how i had my conf.
Excuse me that i missed a goddamn letter in a typo. I've been working with glftpd for years buddy, i know how to protect a dir. Werent you the moron that was begging people to get xbins's DDOS'd because i was mean to your whore of a friend CraiZE? Gee i wonder who brough it to your attention = )
Damn script kiddies.
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 04:39:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| [00:17] <Iriez> Me and oDD decided on the name of your guys emu ..its going to be Sureal64, now i dont want to hear any bitching and moaning about it either, your gonna take it and like it you little slut [00:19] <Iriez> Surreal64 [00:19] <Iriez> SuparLantusStar64-4X [00:21] <Iriez> oDD says: [00:21] <Iriez> i think i know what he'll choose [00:21] <Iriez> Iriez says: [00:21] <Iriez> SuperImAGaybo64-X ? [01:02] <lantus> Surreal64 sounds cool |
I cant find the conversation between me and odd, but i threw it out one day (it was in september) and it stuck. I of course, spelled it wrong (sureal64), but thats ok =p
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 02, 2004, 04:39:00 AM
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 04:42:00 AM
Post by: Trunks on January 02, 2004, 04:48:00 AM
Just wanted to Say thanks thanks to oDD and (PJ64 dev) for all there hard work,
Waiting patiently for a public release.
Post by: zeroprobe on January 02, 2004, 04:53:00 AM
shit happens, its not THAT important jeez
Post by: HoRnEyDvL on January 02, 2004, 04:58:00 AM
Man im bored & its 2am & its fucken boiling hot i need a life im a fucken net junkie.......
Post by: DuDeR MaN on January 02, 2004, 05:06:00 AM
I won't lie... I was one of the few who were on the board during the 5 minutes of people spamming links to the emulator. So being afraid that it may not be released I downloaded it for safe keeping in a way. Doesn't matter much cause I can't use it since my xbox is waiting for it's chip upgrade and currently has no chip running in it. And even if my box could run it, I don't know if my conscience could handle it.... ok maybe I would have snuck a peak but thats all. But looking at the files and seeing what this emulator is through the ini's and graphic files, it's looking damn good. Much more than I could have ever expected. And don't worry, the files I got are going to no one andf won't even be used (assuming that the real release will come before my xbox is chipped again). Sorry I downloaded it but I guess I got selfish.
*DO NOT PM ME ASKING FOR A LINK TO THE FILES OR FOR ME TO SEND YOU THE FILES, IF I GET ANY PM REGARDING THIS I WILL REPORT YOU TO A MOD.
Post by: Bob Newhart on January 02, 2004, 05:36:00 AM
Post by: Jagosix on January 02, 2004, 05:42:00 AM
, Well... All i can say is ... Irez u da man . Remember keep your friends close & enemies even closer ..er in your case further away from your projects. U can learn something from everybody
.Post by: Ces2k3 on January 02, 2004, 06:07:00 AM
Post by: Thraxen on January 02, 2004, 06:20:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| If it is still using the older code of 1964, PJ64 & UltraHLE, I do not begin to comprehend that vmm and etc are going to make that much of a change to the status of N64 emulation on the XBox. If the new 1964 code is going to be implemented, I would rather wait longer to give the Dev time to incorporate that into his first public release than have the older code which is somewhat antiquated from the start. |
oDD stated in his comments about this situation that they are indeed getting ready to incorporate the new code. I think adding the new code for the official public release has been the plan all along, but then this whole mess happened.
Post by: TomisH on January 02, 2004, 06:25:00 AM
Give kids toys to play and they will forget about the whole damn world surrounding them
JSanford - you think it's old? So what?
You won't buy a new car just because they gave you old tires, will you? You're still going to use it! And be happy that YOU HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE.
Some people still don't have a car y'know.
PS. Use your imagination reading this post.
Post by: Ed_209 on January 02, 2004, 06:43:00 AM
Post by: -x- on January 02, 2004, 06:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (TomisH @ Jan 2 2004, 04:25 PM) |
| I would give the old code to keep people's mouths shut. And have time to port .99. Give kids toys to play and they will forget about the whole damn world surrounding them JSanford - you think it's old? So what? You won't buy a new car just because they gave you old tires, will you? You're still going to use it! And be happy that YOU HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE. Some people still don't have a car y'know. PS. Use your imagination reading this post. |
What if they gave you a stolen car?
Post by: JSanford on January 02, 2004, 06:44:00 AM
oDD works like crazy to have this release out in a day or two. People flock to download it. People have hyped this EMU beyond belief, but after downloading it and using it find that even though it's well put together the same problems are still evident because of the "older" code. People post thousands of questions why it won't do everything they just thought it should do. Dev finally gets tired of the lack of appreciation, then voila no more updates to Surreal64.
This is a predictable result when looking back at the way the EMU scene has unfolded in the past.
Post by: Beelzebud on January 02, 2004, 06:57:00 AM
And in any case. It doesn't matter. You are making points about a LEAKED emu. This is not the version the officially released so you really can't comment on anything to do with compatability or when they should release. Officially they haven't released it yet.
Be realistic here.
Post by: MaDHat on January 02, 2004, 06:59:00 AM
As much as it sucks that it was leaked.. you're all hypocrites.
First off, you're stealign n64 games to play on the emulator. You all complain about 6 months of work down the drain. The developers of those games worked just as hard to make their n64 games too. Nobody seems to care about that.
Not to mention all the xbox games you probably have.. I guess the developers don't deserve any respect and you should all steal their games too.
And don't use the argument that they get paid for their work. Thats a cop out excuse.
I'm not saying that I don't use roms as well, but I'm also not on here bitching about an emulator that was leaked and how everyone shouldn't use it because it wasn't 'officially' released. I realized it sucks to have 6 months of work stolen from you, but tough shit.. he steals games too, so he deserves it.
Thank you for your time.
Post by: MiL0 on January 02, 2004, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: JSanford on January 02, 2004, 07:09:00 AM
Post by: -x- on January 02, 2004, 07:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 04:59 PM) |
| Ok, this is ridiculous. As much as it sucks that it was leaked.. you're all hypocrites. First off, you're stealign n64 games to play on the emulator. You all complain about 6 months of work down the drain. The developers of those games worked just as hard to make their n64 games too. Nobody seems to care about that. Not to mention all the xbox games you probably have.. I guess the developers don't deserve any respect and you should all steal their games too. And don't use the argument that they get paid for their work. Thats a cop out excuse. I'm not saying that I don't use roms as well, but I'm also not on here bitching about an emulator that was leaked and how everyone shouldn't use it because it wasn't 'officially' released. I realized it sucks to have 6 months of work stolen from you, but tough shit.. he steals games too, so he deserves it. Thank you for your time. |
Differnt cultures have differnt customs an ddiffent ponit of views of morality. The scene has a sense of morality within itself. People who are secular see having sex outside of marrige as normal thing while a religious person sees it as a sin. If you are going to be part of a scene then you obey the laws of it.
You can go smoke pot in some countries, but if you come to the USA you can go to jail. Pot equals Ok in some countries, but evil in the US.
You can buy a gun in the US easily because Americans are pro gun but if you have a gun in Europe you are frowned upon.
It all depends on what rules you abide and where you are at.
While at Xbox scene or in Xbox emulation in general you do not screw over the authors that make the Emu's that is the law and it is frowned upon. So get it over it.
BTW I have 30 N64 carts so I have supported the compnaies that make it thank you very much. Many people here have them as well and just want to play the games at 640x480 on there TV's without th euse of a PC.
Post by: SuRF3R on January 02, 2004, 07:17:00 AM
| QUOTE |
Quote from a post by CaisedoLuis And don't think of it as a neighbors house becuase it was my account and i had access. If a neighbor gave me access to his house then i would go in. |
Does that mean that if i give you the key of my house that you will TAKE anything i got in my house?
And then spread the stuff?
Post by: SniperKilla on January 02, 2004, 07:19:00 AM
| QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 03:59 PM) |
| Ok, this is ridiculous. As much as it sucks that it was leaked.. you're all hypocrites. First off, you're stealign n64 games to play on the emulator. You all complain about 6 months of work down the drain. The developers of those games worked just as hard to make their n64 games too. Nobody seems to care about that. Not to mention all the xbox games you probably have.. I guess the developers don't deserve any respect and you should all steal their games too. And don't use the argument that they get paid for their work. Thats a cop out excuse. I'm not saying that I don't use roms as well, but I'm also not on here bitching about an emulator that was leaked and how everyone shouldn't use it because it wasn't 'officially' released. I realized it sucks to have 6 months of work stolen from you, but tough shit.. he steals games too, so he deserves it. Thank you for your time. |
1 big difference here...
n64 game devs and xbox game devs are getting paied millions.
Post by: MaDHat on January 02, 2004, 07:25:00 AM
I'm really sure developers of struggling software companies are getting paid millions.
Besides, it's not about money, it's a moral issue.
If I walk into a huge record store, and steal a cd, does that make it better than stealing from a mom and pop music store? Stealing is stealing, period. It doesnt matter how much it's worth, or how much the person will lose.
Post by: -x- on January 02, 2004, 07:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 05:21 PM) |
| Oh please. You can't 'screw over' the developers of emulators, but you CAN do it to people who make the games in the first place, without which there would be no emulators, or 'scene'? Theres no 'scene law', theres morals.. and when it comes to the emulation scene, nobody has any. If we did, we wouldn't be playing ANY roms that we don't own the cartridge of. So when an emulator gets leaked, don't get all bitchy, because you really have no say. If the creator of the emulator didn't steal ANY games, then you may have a valid point. But really.. what are the chances of that. Now he knows how other developers feel. Thank you, again, for your time. |
So my question is why are you here then? Did you come all this way and register to educate people on moral values?
You sort of missed my point. Yes having roms are ilegal, does that mean that people at X-S.com do not have the right to complain when they feel somthing is wrong?
They have all the right to do so even if they have ilegal roms.
Post by: Vegeta on January 02, 2004, 07:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 05:25 PM) |
| Besides, it's not about money, it's a moral issue. |
So it's ok to steal from somene who steals AND it's a moral issue?
Post by: da_shiznit on January 02, 2004, 07:30:00 AM
Post by: -x- on January 02, 2004, 07:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (MaDHat @ Jan 2 2004, 05:31 PM) |
| This thread is going to go to like 500 posts if I don't shutup, so I'll stop now. |
No hard feelings.
Post by: OutComputeU_123 on January 02, 2004, 07:39:00 AM
Without volunteering tmi, I've had it occur. It does suck.
And without saying, condolences to the devs. They can/will get over it, and Im also certain this will provide them/all/everyone with a learning experience, albeit a slight and soon to be forgotten one by the masses.
Ironic are the people whos only involvement with surreal will be when theyre playing it, for you to be grief stricken by a leak, and respond as if a great blow to humanity has been struck, Get your mind right.
I find it pointless to cry about being bitten, when youre playing with a snake for a hoola-hoop. For aged viewers of these boards, I believe we/they understand the nature of the beast here. Personally... I was expecting this to happen.
Clandestine Hacking/Programming, you name it.... has always existed with, came from if you will, a spirit of "bucking the system" (read : NOT LEAKING OTHER PEOPLES HACKING/CRACKING, im not endorsing or supporting THIS leak. heh)
Needless is the dissertation on morality and ethics involved though. Regardless of moral views held inbetween it all, thats how it came to be. From bucking the system. Not respect, not props, and not profit, those things came much later when those that bucked the system, got hired by it.
A leak of it, to me, only goes to prove a few things, That people are STILL assholes, that nearly 20 years later the spirit of clandestine hacking hasnt changed much, in one form or another, and people are still leaking shit that is supposed to be secret.
Yawn. There ARE no secrets. Not in this business.
I wont even get into the rigamarole of trusting other people aside from yourself with intellectual property heh.
Make what you will of the leak. Bad. Good? But remember its of no true benefit to yourself if youre boycotting an unofficial release by not using it. Really.
If its available, use it You have the option. Self denial for morality's sake is better left to religions not science.
And if youre using it, be a true pimp and paypal Odd, another true pimp, some lunch money.
I would.
Post by: Vegeta on January 02, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
Your just an idiot trying to get people pissed and get alittle attention. Njoy your 2 mins of fame.
Post by: SuRF3R on January 02, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
Post by: TomisH on January 02, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
The point was... Ah, damn it! - That is not important right now.
Waiting for Surreal and nothing else matters.
Whatever you post, there will be people questioning it, asking, arguing, flaming, misunderstanding, requesting ... *[add whatever you want here]... or trying to prove you're wrong.
Human kind...
Post by: desertboy on January 02, 2004, 07:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (JSanford @ Jan 2 2004, 05:09 PM) |
| Why is it so hard for some to understand that the limitations I am speaking of are inherently found in the 3 PC emulators this new EMU is ported from. This is not the Dev's fault, he is working very hard to give us this "first" all-in-one type EMU. Being realistic means giving credit where it's due but also staying within the bounds of what this EMU is truly capable of. I am not making this statement based on seeing the new emu because I am not one who got the "leaked" version, but merely I am attempting to state what I feel is a safe prediction based on what this EMU is being ported from, as well as what its being ported to. |
Have you ever used Pj64 or 1964 on the pc, you'll know that less than 10% of games are unplayable and probably over 60% are close to perfect with a little fiddling.
I feel you have simply assumed that the problems with pj64-x were there in the pc version and ram was it's only issue. I didn't try a single game in the xbox version that I had not already tried with rice's plugin I knew what to expect which most people hadn't. A lot of games that worked fine or ok in the pc version just refused to load. I suspect a lot of the time testing was to eliminate a lot of these incompatibilties between pc & xbox.
If you doubt the quality of present day N64 emulation pop on down to emutalk.com and open your eyes.
This is more of technical interest I bought a 64 shortly after the 1st pj64-x came out and haven't really looked back.
Post by: WaRnINg| on January 02, 2004, 08:21:00 AM
Post by: Gotetsu on January 02, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (JaXbox @ Jan 2 2004, 12:20 PM) |
| wtf as far as I remember a certain link was posted by you on #xbins-chat (while some of us were having a nice game of trivia, I might add) to a crappy d/l site with the leaked emu in question And you're saying that we need to forget about this, while you and tons of other ppl are spreading this leak? It only takes 1 link to spoil it all, m8 |
wtf?
i only gave the link to this thread :S
Post by: Likklebaer on January 02, 2004, 08:43:00 AM
The long saga of lameness continues...
But don't forget that this leaked emu is bound to use the old obsolete 1964 core. The official release will be worlds better thanks to the 0.9.9 core and Rice's new plug-in. You'd have to be pretty desperate to want to use this unfinished prototype.
It'll be interesting to see what the devs have to say. But until then I think everything that can be said has been said and this topic is getting pretty boring.
BTW, I don't know who came up with 'Surreal64' but it's an awful name. How about something a little more practical and less pretentious?
Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on January 02, 2004, 09:03:00 AM
-Bender
Post by: Reaper527 on January 02, 2004, 09:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (Bender_Unit_1 @ Jan 2 2004, 07:03 PM) |
| Don't believe that screenshot, it's bullshit. |
yup, it's pure photoshop. the real thing says special thanks : Iriez i think.
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 09:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Jan 2 2004, 11:43 AM) |
| BTW, I don't know who came up with 'Surreal64' but it's an awful name. How about something a little more practical and less pretentious? |
I did, and i've found everyone (including me and the dev's) quite like it, thank you very much.
| QUOTE |
| Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified. |
How is the name Surreal64 being pretentious, may i ask ? What does 'Surreal' have to do with arrogance, or bigotry ? Its a abstract name.
Coming on this thread and complaining about something that has long held its name, without hope of changing it, demanding a different name however, i would say is just *SLIGHTLY* pretentious.
...women
Post by: GLiTcH on January 02, 2004, 09:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (Call_of_Duty @ Jan 2 2004, 06:56 PM) |
Now this is odd  . |
you're just adding more wood to the fire
Post by: Reaper527 on January 02, 2004, 09:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Jan 2 2004, 06:43 PM) |
| BTW, I don't know who came up with 'Surreal64' but it's an awful name. How about something a little more practical and less pretentious? |
write your own then you can name it, and apparently you didn't read the whole thread because oDD made a post saying himself, lantus, and iriez where discussing possible names and that one sounded good then he gave a dictionary.com definition of surreal. i forget which page it was on but i found the post by clicking odd's profile and searching for posts.
Post by: GLiTcH on January 02, 2004, 09:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (Iriez @ Jan 2 2004, 07:28 PM) | ||
I did, and i've found everyone (including me and the dev's) quite like it, thank you very much. |
If you dont want it to show up on ur emulation list as Surreal64 .. just use xberenamer and S.T.F.U.
Post by: gamemaster14 on January 02, 2004, 09:34:00 AM
Post by: Sir Auros on January 02, 2004, 09:35:00 AM
Post by: Zero on January 02, 2004, 09:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (oDD_ @ Jan 2 2004, 10:51 AM) |
| Ok this is what I have to say on the matter. I am annoyed that it was leaked, not for my own sake, but for yours. You wanted and expected a quality product so the emulator was in its final stages of testing where nearly every known rom was being playtested for compatibility, speed and memory settings were being adjusted so that games wouldnt run out of memory and comments written for each game. In the end its only you guys that were robbed, not myself or lantus. Surreal64 will be officially released sometime over the next couple days when we feel its ready for the general public. The sources will be released on http://surreal64.sourceforge.net and binaries in the usual places. Development will continue as usual, in mine and lantus's spare time, and the porting of 1964 0.99 will hopefully begin soon. What can you do now to help? Dont download or spread the leak on IRC/P2P networks and help the mods out by not posting any bullshit on the forums regarding this release. As for who's to blame, Iriez shouldnt have anything to do with it. This man works his butt off (in his spare time like the rest of us) for the scene and has supported Surreal and every other project all the way, the last thing he'd want to see or cause is a leak. Running and securing a network is no easy task. Running one used by millions of people around the world is an insane task and knowing who to trust regarding access and giving/setting the right permissions is even harder. So thanks goes to Iriez for everything you've done for us and dont listen to these ignorant fools. Also thanks to everyone who everyone whos supported us during development and continue to do so. I'll see you all in a couple of days. [evil]Big fuck yous go out to CLuis, DaRebel, Kestal, Morfious and anyone who spreads this file, hope you have a great new year.[/evil] (I felt I was entitled to that) G'Night |
For the several blind people that missed it on page 7.
Post by: WilliamDecker on January 02, 2004, 09:43:00 AM
As for the leaking...who really cares...if I was the dev I'd be like "shit that sucks...oh well...back to coding!".
The general feedback on the emu has been quite good, so if anything the dev should be proud of it. It's probably the most complete emulator out there!
Post by: drunker on January 02, 2004, 10:01:00 AM
Post by: CrazyPale on January 02, 2004, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on January 02, 2004, 10:36:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Surreal64 will be officially released sometime over the next couple days when we feel its ready for the general public. The sources will be released on http://surreal64.sourceforge.net and binaries in the usual places. Development will continue as usual, in mine and lantus's spare time, and the porting of 1964 0.99 will hopefully begin soon. |
Post by: desertboy on January 02, 2004, 10:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (Call_of_Duty @ Jan 2 2004, 06:56 PM) |
| Now this is odd . |
That's pretty funny, not exactly tasteful but I'm sure Iriez see's the funny side.
Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on January 02, 2004, 11:25:00 AM
-Bender
EDIT: and I said "like I thought" because I have not downloaded this emulator, because I do not support it in any way. I'll wait those few days for the official release.
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 11:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Jan 2 2004, 01:58 PM) |
| Iriez : thanks you for gathering all those lovely covers, and cmon give the MS Dashboard sources to SniperKilla (it's his birthday ) |
Are you STILL rambling?
Why must you force me to put your foot in your mouth?
Wait, let me get this straight. You are IC Jokko, as in from Evolution-X? .....
...
......
Sources? Why dont you ask your own crew? What the hell do you think they build their kernel's off of, linux? You think they dont have those sources?
Why are you pestering someone who doesnt even develop over something that your crew has ?
Go beg your own crew for highly extreamily sensitive and illegal MS sources.
God some people are dense.
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 11:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (desertboy @ Jan 2 2004, 01:40 PM) |
| That's pretty funny, not exactly tasteful but I'm sure Iriez see's the funny side. |
Quite funny to be honest. It actually gave me a good laugh.
Theres only a very few handful of people that would do that. All have some type of personal agression against me, and even though they are taking something completely untrue and out of context and using it against me, they somehow think they scored a point.
One day i would like to write a book... i think i'll call it..
Persona of MORON
...yes.
Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on January 02, 2004, 11:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Jan 2 2004, 09:34 PM) |
| looks complex for an ini, no ? n/m |
I guess that just proves I haven't downloaded it otherwise I'd have looked instead of making an ass of myself
. hmm... hex editor then? Still, values are changeable.
-Bender
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 12:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Jan 2 2004, 02:55 PM) |
| Huh I'm evox ? great news ... |
your WITH evox.
| QUOTE |
| we're talking about ms dash srcs and you tell me evox got it.... you must not be serious here And no, no one will believe you when you say evolutionx got kernel srcs... you prolly don't know how they build their bioses. |
I 'prolly' dont know? Uh, how else do you build a kernel....with hoopie joopie peanut butter? I dont know what type of idiocy you are pulling, but it fools no one. You think its some big secret that people like evox and xecuter have those sources and build their kernel's off of it? Christ what do you think they do, hex it? LOL.
| QUOTE |
| You don't get the point, i'm not a coder and i don't want those srcs for myself but for every homebrew authors on this scene. |
No, YOU dont get the point. Im no coder, and i have no such secret things to give to anyone. Your rambling to a emu forum moderator about giving super secret sources to the public, when YOUR OWN crew has them. Why on *earth* are you babbling to me?
| QUOTE |
| Each time you say you serve the scene, it makes some people to laught. |
Each time you type a sentence, it makes people laugh = ) Im starting to think jokk and dmb are merging into a single entity.
| QUOTE |
| Sharing those sources woud be serving the scene, but keeping it for cpx is pointless |
I *think* you are trying to imply here that im a part of CPX, and that i gave them sources?
....I've got a serious question for you, and i would appreciate a straight forward answer.
Where on earth do you get your information from? Do you just ramble this shit in a drunken stupor or is someone feeding you xbox scene conspiracy theories? lol = )
| QUOTE |
| ask Gcue what he will be able to do with those srcs |
Why dont you ask your own crew's coders instead?
If you wish to ramble any further, you can PM me. Any such further idiocy will be deleted.
Post by: the_casanova on January 02, 2004, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: XJericRK on January 02, 2004, 12:37:00 PM
no fast ftp
no homebrew files
no nothing
Post by: Jacklenut on January 02, 2004, 12:42:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 12:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (the_casanova @ Jan 2 2004, 03:36 PM) |
| fuck yes that is some good news they proised crismas but they dídent deliver so this is what happen and irez you scured up fagot not the halo map guy so fuck you and your mother fucking moma and i am gona help sharin this shit ass n64 emu |
My first book entitled...
Persona of a MORON
Guest starring...
the_casanova !!!
Im thinking about making my sig a list of star's of my new book.
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 12:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 2 2004, 03:49 PM) |
| Iriez - I'm probably not reading the posts carefully enough but do you, or do you not have the source code to the MS Dash? If you do then why not share it with the MS Dash hacking people like Gcue? Surely they have as much (or as little) right to have it as you do? Not trying to be a dick, but I don't see why there is all this politics and arguing - surely it's in everyone's interests to try and help each other? |
I've got a question for you...
If you had inside sources at MS and stole their code (their most valuable asset i might add) and leaked it on the internet and publically announced it.
Just what do you think would happen to you?
Mind you this question has nothing to do with what i do or dont have. I dont have jack shit. As i've said many times, im not a dev. I look at source and i think about egyptians. I do my part in this scene, and i'll have nothing of something of such a high calibur. You think im crazy?
You guys need to think before you speak up. This is getting quite out of hand here.
and YES, you are NOT reading my posts carefully enough.
Post by: yaazz on January 02, 2004, 01:01:00 PM
EDIT: whats all this about Lantus? is he the mystery coder?
Post by: TomisH on January 02, 2004, 01:06:00 PM
Or maybe that is your second book?
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 01:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 2 2004, 04:01 PM) |
| ok, I understand you don't want to say on a public forum that you have something that you say is MS's "most valuable asset" but that shouldn't stop you from sharing the source that you may or may not have to other people in private. |
Why should anyone have any sources?
People cant do their own work? Look at nexgen...MXM....avalaunch...evox...unleashx. They all have the same exact tools MS used to build that dashboard.
Why is it such a big deal? Why should anyone risk..their job..their family...and THEIR LIFE for something someone could make themselves.
Perhaps you people dont understand the consequences of dealing with such matters? Were talking 95% of the world running windows. The LARGEST corperation in THE WORLD. How do you think they handle someone stealing their most valuable assest.
You would have to be a real moron to leak that. You gotta be crazy to even think about touching it in the first place.
Post by: Methius on January 02, 2004, 01:15:00 PM
srry.....
Post by: SuRF3R on January 02, 2004, 01:29:00 PM
)but hey, shit happens, leaking stuff isn't funny, it's bad
we all should be happy that they will continue on the emu and not
drop it like it has happend before with DaedalusX
Lets all have a HAPPY new year and stop bitching at each other
Post by: cool_guy on January 02, 2004, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: Large Dopant white on January 02, 2004, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: cool_guy on January 02, 2004, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: tom_g05 on January 02, 2004, 01:40:00 PM
HOW COULD YOU..I'm very disappointed I thought you would have been one of the more "mature" ones and waited for the official release.
Post by: Ridley on January 02, 2004, 01:41:00 PM
Post by: Large Dopant white on January 02, 2004, 01:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Jan 2 2004, 11:40 PM) |
| Thats obvious the ms dash hack developement won't go faster and higher with those srcs.... At least that seems to be what iriez think. |
I don't know if ANYONE has the MS Dash sources... they're kind of useless, nowadays, as even the (ever-so-slightly outdated) EvoX dash does what MS Dash can do, at least the important stuff.
Post by: asher on January 02, 2004, 01:47:00 PM
damn...
this is crazy.
Post by: MiL0 on January 02, 2004, 01:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Jan 2 2004, 11:46 PM) |
| they're kind of useless, nowadays, as even the (ever-so-slightly outdated) EvoX dash does what MS Dash can do, at least the important stuff. |
The sources are important because it will drastically help with adding an FTP server to the MS Dash hack among many other things.
Post by: Gillian_Seed on January 02, 2004, 02:03:00 PM
I just wanted to thank you for handling the situation like you did. Kudos for your pledge to continue work on the emulator even when you get disrespected by the leakers.
Post by: Thraxen on January 02, 2004, 02:17:00 PM
Hope they all have fun with their non-final version... I doubt most will have a clue.
Post by: lettuce on January 02, 2004, 02:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ridley @ Jan 2 2004, 11:41 PM) |
| This topic is just one big angst-fest. |
Yeah i think it should be closed, whats needed to be said, has been said, and much, much, more!!!
Post by: Large Dopant white on January 02, 2004, 02:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 2 2004, 11:52 PM) | ||
The sources are important because it will drastically help with adding an FTP server to the MS Dash hack among many other things. |
Uh, why hack a dash and possibly cause instability when any able programmer could code in a feature they want in one of the open-source Dashes, like MXM? Unless you don't follow the common caveat that hacking is generally an unstable process....
Post by: XJericRK on January 02, 2004, 02:37:00 PM
Post by: djoye on January 02, 2004, 02:57:00 PM
I hope the authors don't quit! I'm so sorry about it REALLY SORRY! Can I suck their penises so they don't get sad and quit!? I would be willing to pay to suck their penises!What can us cock sucking group of whiners do to make the authors happy?
Post by: funkydude101 on January 02, 2004, 02:58:00 PM
but check ***********
this was released today:
Surreal64 *LEAKED* Xbox N64 Emulator
Post by: SHiZNO on January 02, 2004, 03:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (djoye @ Jan 2 2004, 11:57 PM) |
| OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WAS LEAKED!@# I'M SO SORRY I REALLY HATE WHAT HAPPENED!@# I hope the authors don't quit! I'm so sorry about it REALLY SORRY! Can I suck their penises so they don't get sad and quit!? I would be willing to pay to suck their penises! What can us cock sucking group of whiners do to make the authors happy? |
you better be a female...
Post by: Large Dopant white on January 02, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 3 2004, 01:05 AM) | ||||||
Check the MS Dash Hacking forum for why - people want to add ftp capability to the hacked MS Dash because it looks a hell of a lot better than all the other dash's. Hacking doesn't necessarily make it any more or less stable - please have a look through that forum before you write anything else. |
Hacking generally does lead to instability, as you're hacking (see? key word there) 'features' and tricks in instead of doing it properly (i.e. obtaining the source code and programming whatever function you want), hence the use of the key word. The very word "hacking" in such a context implies instability somewhere down the road. I do read the MS Hacking forum, and while it is fairly stable (you're kinda just modifying scripts, as far as I can see), that doesn't make it anywhere near as stable as actual coding time and a recompile (assuming you don't code functions in that snarf a huge chunk of RAM or do a buffer overload or some crazy shit like that). Again, all that effort dumped in to learn a 'script language' of sorts and to actually implement a feature when one could simply teach themselves to program in C/C++ and contribute to an open-source homebrew dash like MXM or XDashOS. On a personal level, I find it rather lazy that you're more willing to hack a commercially developed program rather than further the homebrew scene (the references to a specific person are ment to be generalized in that last sentence).
Post by: oDD_ on January 02, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (SHiZNO @ Jan 3 2004, 01:05 AM) | ||
you better be a female... |
I hope so also
Post by: Heet on January 02, 2004, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: tom_g05 on January 02, 2004, 04:16:00 PM
Post by: Lukenatme on January 02, 2004, 05:16:00 PM
Have a cold one on me! 
Post by: MiL0 on January 02, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Jan 3 2004, 01:15 AM) | ||||||||
Hacking generally does lead to instability, as you're hacking (see? key word there) 'features' and tricks in instead of doing it properly (i.e. obtaining the source code and programming whatever function you want), hence the use of the key word. The very word "hacking" in such a context implies instability somewhere down the road. I do read the MS Hacking forum, and while it is fairly stable (you're kinda just modifying scripts, as far as I can see), that doesn't make it anywhere near as stable as actual coding time and a recompile (assuming you don't code functions in that snarf a huge chunk of RAM or do a buffer overload or some crazy shit like that). Again, all that effort dumped in to learn a 'script language' of sorts and to actually implement a feature when one could simply teach themselves to program in C/C++ and contribute to an open-source homebrew dash like MXM or XDashOS. On a personal level, I find it rather lazy that you're more willing to hack a commercially developed program rather than further the homebrew scene (the references to a specific person are ment to be generalized in that last sentence). |
This all may be well & true, but are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't like to see the original MS Dash up to the same level of funtionality as say Evolution-X? Surely if we had the original source then there would be no need for 'hacking' since we can add ftp code to the source code and recompile, thereby negating your stability worries.
Besides, I don't think they're hacking the actual MS Dash 'engine' but merely the ini script files to add extra menus, much in the way that you would edit evox.ini. I've greatly over simplified the process because I know a LOT of work went into getting MS Dash hacking up to where it is now but I'm just trying to say that there stability isn't as much of a problem in this case.
Post by: Large Dopant white on January 02, 2004, 05:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (MiL0 @ Jan 3 2004, 03:33 AM) |
| This all may be well & true, but are you trying to tell me that you wouldn't like to see the original MS Dash up to the same level of funtionality as say Evolution-X? Surely if we had the original source then there would be no need for 'hacking' since we can add ftp code to the source code and recompile, thereby negating your stability worries. Besides, I don't think they're hacking the actual MS Dash 'engine' but merely the ini script files to add extra menus, much in the way that you would edit evox.ini. I've greatly over simplified the process because I know a LOT of work went into getting MS Dash hacking up to where it is now but I'm just trying to say that there stability isn't as much of a problem in this case. |
As stated, I realize that they're basically using a scripting language (you call it an INI) to 'hack' the MS dash. What I'm saying is that the amount of effort dumped into learning this scripting language to do the hacks could be redirected towards learning rudimentary (or intermedient) C/C++ programming so more effort could be put into a homebrew program that may well reach beyond the official dash, asthetically and functionally, quicker if there was more effort put towards it (again, I use MXM as an example).
I misinterpreted what you said before- you made it sound like the sourcecode would be useful in figuring out how to hack the offical dash further, not actually add some code to it. For that, I apoligize and agree that'd be great. I still say the effort would be better spent on a homebrew dash, since this is supposed to be a homebrew scene, but that's a matter of personal opinion.
Anyway, I've lead this topic far astray, and the main subject has been discussed and resolved in its own matter. Feel free to PM me if you want to continue the discussion, but I'm leaving this topic to wither away.
Post by: wongtong2g on January 02, 2004, 05:49:00 PM
Iriez, though i initially thought you were sorta nazi-ish after the whole hackawa deal, i really do have unimaginable respect for how much you do
despite my intense appreciation for lantus & odd, i cant bash on cluis or darebel because i did use some of their halomods and did enjoy and appreciate em. they should be shameful for this, but i hope this doesnt cause a rift or conflict that hurts halo customization either (esp. w/ halo2 comin out soon) - i hope everyone can get over this after their official n64 release, just dont want this scene turning into the ps2 one
i still think closing this thread or even deleting it would be the best possible option, it'll shut everyone up for a couple days followed by lots of joy
Post by: wongtong2g on January 02, 2004, 06:05:00 PM
Post by: faceless on January 02, 2004, 06:41:00 PM
<CLuis> yea i didnt even release it intentionally
<CLuis> they think i released it on purpose but now that i really got to know Iriez im hapy that it got leaked
CLuis is [email protected] * Luis Caicedo
Post by: allyourbasekris on January 02, 2004, 06:51:00 PM
And you're all sitting there next to your xbox, watching it run a <64 meg rom and typing how you're all going to wait for the official release :-P
Of course I may be wrong..
Incidentally you guys really do get angry on these boards, try to think how you'd deal with stuff in real life. Big breaths and inner serenity.
Post by: wongtong2g on January 02, 2004, 06:55:00 PM
Post by: Iriez on January 02, 2004, 06:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Jan 2 2004, 05:32 PM) |
| Uh, why hack a dash and possibly cause instability when any able programmer could code in a feature they want in one of the open-source Dashes, like MXM? Unless you don't follow the common caveat that hacking is generally an unstable process.... |
Most of the MS dash 'hacks' are not really hacks. They are just xip editing/inserting code to do extra things.
Its pretty cool stuff. Besides, others are working on a plugin system for the dash, and it will get done eventually.
Post by: Zero on January 02, 2004, 07:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (wongtong2g @ Jan 3 2004, 03:55 AM) |
| dawg this does roll into *real life* - were not gonna be playing n64 in our imagination |
Post by: N++ on January 02, 2004, 07:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (DPawlik349 @ Jan 3 2004, 05:20 AM) |
| It's not like these guys are making things that are going to be put out wide spread for people to buy and them to rake in lots of money on it. You leak information and stuff that is actually worth a lot not some group of people just making things for fun and doing it for their true jobs where they make an actual living. |
Wow.
Tell me you did not just suggest that developers like oDD deserve more respect than people who develop games/other software products. If you did mean that, you are a fucking idiot. I'm not trying to say oDD doesn't deserve any respect for what he has done, because he does deserve respect, just as much respect as game/software developers.
Just because people work for a company and make games that are sold to the general population does not mean they don't deserve respect. Most game developers live for what they do, the work hard for the fans, and they spend hours upon hours dedicating personal time to a project. I don't know where you think you get off saying that game/software developers deserve less respect than homebrew developers, but you're very fucking wrong about it.
And just for the record, game developers don't rake in tons and tons of cash, a good chunk of the money you pay for a game goes to publishers and royalty fees, just like the record industry. Please use your brain before you decide to have a seizure on your keyboard again.
N++
Post by: faceless on January 02, 2004, 08:05:00 PM
Kasedo was [email protected] * Luis Caicedo
Kasedo using irc.efnet.pl Fri Jan 2 23:02:18 2004
End of WHOWAS
CLuis was [email protected] * Luis Caicedo
CLuis using irc.efnet.pl Fri Jan 2 23:04:59 2004
CLuis was [email protected] * Luis Caicedo
CLuis using irc.efnet.pl Fri Jan 2 23:00:48 2004
CLuis was [email protected] * Luis Caicedo
CLuis using irc.daxnet.no Fri Jan 2 22:44:05 2004
End of WHOWAS
Post by: CaicedoLuis on January 02, 2004, 08:13:00 PM
Post by: Sir Auros on January 02, 2004, 08:36:00 PM
oDD's work is reportedly good, but stealing from paid developers is just as bad as stealing from him.
Post by: Krill123 on January 03, 2004, 01:15:00 AM
If anybody ever deserved to get kicked, it's this guy.
Post by: Methius on January 03, 2004, 01:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (tom_g05 @ Jan 2 2004, 11:40 PM) |
| Methius!!!! HOW COULD YOU..I'm very disappointed I thought you would have been one of the more "mature" ones and waited for the official release. |
, yeah I know.... My defence in this matter is:
1- I wanted to be honest that I too tried the leaked emu, cuz I know some have dled it too
2- Wanted to thank Odd and the rest of the devs for there hard work, which in the current state is already blowing me away..
(I wont go against the rules and state which it runs and which it doesn't, although a certain 64mb game does run...well)
3- Wanted to thank Odd and the rest of the devs so they notice that not evry one is just dling the emu and not giving them their proper respect and gving all the notice to that *$&## leaker
Odd & devs.... I thank you from the bottom of my heart, THIS is what I thought of n64 emulation since the first time I heard of it, I thank you for your 6 months of hard work, enduring all the flames, and not losing yourself against that leaker... (Hell know, I would have)
You did more than great, more than superb.... Thank you..
Post by: HSDEMONZ on January 03, 2004, 02:00:00 AM
Idiots go home. You don't have an inalienable right to source. You don't have an inalienable right to the program.
People posting links to the leaked file.. as posting links to any XDK produced file.. will find themselves banned.