Post by: Jagosix on November 10, 2003, 02:20:00 PM
P.S.DP - means Direct Port (of a game)
u can learn something from everybody
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Post by: Beelzebud on November 10, 2003, 04:41:00 PM
This isn't a warez website, or forum. And there are many people in the xbox community that aren't warez monkeys.
Would you like it if all of the programmers left this scene because the warez kiddiez ran everyone off?
When will people like you get it through your head that what you are talking about is WAREZ and that this website doesn't cater to idiots looking for ways to warez games.
No one is even trying to tell you not to be a lame ass warez monkey. What we're saying is that this forum isn't the place for warez, and the more morons we have talking about warez subjects here, the more people like Mr. K, Lantus, and Xport, take notice and give up on the scene.
It doesn't look good to newcomers when they come to this site and all they see are children begging for free, pirated games.
Post by: Likklebaer on November 10, 2003, 05:33:00 PM
As for being a software pirate (or pirette perhaps in my case
). I pirate games 'cos I can, whether it be 10 years old or 10 days old, there's no difference. And there are more than enough ppl who don't possess the intelligence to do so to keep the software companies in business for many years to come.Not that I personally would care if the games industry died tomorrow, all the new games I've played seem to suck. Perhaps a little less revenue would knock things back to basics when games were about gameplay rather than fancy FMV.
Not a popular view of things I'm sure, but if it isn't a legal issue (since all of our rom collections are technically illegal) then it's a moral one, and morality is subjective...
Post by: Jagosix on November 11, 2003, 04:07:00 AM
, I'm just making a FACT of what will happen, not promoting warez. So lantus, everygame that u have u own a legit copy of it ? ya... sure u do. u can learn something from everybody.
P.S. - I'm not a moron. Y , b-cause i stated a FACT of whats going 2 happen?
Post by: Large Dopant white on November 11, 2003, 04:22:00 AM
Warez doesn't make coders leave the scene (the XDK is pirated, for Christ's sake), the lack of a legal XDK does. It's funny to hear all this rhetoric against piracy when, in technicality, all the emulators, apps, and homebrew software developed so far are just as much intellectual theft as copying a game for free.
[/Broken Record]
EDIT: One point to concede upon... it doesn't cost as much money to the gaming industry to develop with the leaked XDK as it does to rip a game.
Post by: Dahak on November 11, 2003, 07:03:00 AM
Post by: Zyyke on November 11, 2003, 07:14:00 AM
in this forum, does anything else than piss people off.
The fact is that Mr.K asked people to respect his wishes that Kawa-X did not support newer games, or AT LEAST (as I've understood it), blatantly flaunt the fact that they have found work-arounds to all and everybody on this forum! That some choose to ignore this is unfortunate for everyone, as we have seen.
My point is that emulation's main goal (in my opinion) is not to promote pirated games, but make old(er) games available for people to play again without the original hardware. What "warez-pirate" in his right mind would use time and effort on getting and playing old
Intellivision/NES/Lucasart games, if not for nostalgic reasons.
Unfortunatly a lot of people see emulation as a means of getting new games from currently sold consoles playable on their machine/console. This is evident by the massive amounts of PS2/XBOX/GC emulator requests.
I do not expect people to agree with me, mainly because I believe than there on this subject will be as many opinions as there is people. Therefore we will never have constructive discussions, or reach any form of conclusion, and the thread (an those like it) are pointless.
The best we can hope for is to agree to disagree, and move requests for hacks and the like, to another forum? And please bring back the pinned topic to inform any new user of this forum who does not know the function of the search button!!
That's it for my 2 cents.
-z-
Post by: Iriez on November 11, 2003, 02:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Nov 11 2003, 07:22 AM) |
| EDIT: One point to concede upon... it doesn't cost as much money to the gaming industry to develop with the leaked XDK as it does to rip a game. |
Not "as much". It costs *nothing*.
No one loses money because joe wants to download a XDK meant for developers to build a mame port. MS loses not a single cent. One could argue that joe's mame port motivated more people to purchase a xbox and enevitiably software, which would end up *making* MS money.
You might wonder why they dont crack down on the homebrew scene?
Post by: Iriez on November 11, 2003, 02:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (lantus @ Nov 10 2003, 05:45 PM) |
| you're a moron |
you are a iiiddiiiot, ha haha ha ha ha ha ha haaah ha haaaah.
= )
Post by: Iriez on November 11, 2003, 02:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (Jagosix @ Nov 11 2003, 07:07 AM) |
| P.S. - I'm not a moron. |
| QUOTE |
| everygame Y , b-cause u r trying 2 systems r floating every1 it'll b up there r gonna b some sooner r later |
I would say its debatable.
| QUOTE |
| Ever heard the saying if u can't beat them join them?. |
Yea, i can just see MS now...
"Well, we have a installed user base of about 95% of the world, making billions of dollars each year. But damn those pirates just wont go away. Well guys, i guess we need to give away our software for free now."
| QUOTE |
| But with it comming out on the ps2 , it'll happen a whole lot easier with a modded ps2. Just rent, rip play it. Now whose the bad guy on that 1? |
YOU are the bad guy. Along with anyone else who does that.
If your not a moron, then you need to display so by comprehending a simple point.
Warez is warez.
Post by: Zyyke on November 11, 2003, 11:18:00 PM
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Post by: elvato on November 12, 2003, 12:57:00 AM
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Post by: desertboy on November 21, 2003, 02:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Nov 11 2003, 03:33 AM) |
| I can't believe all the fuss that's being made over yet another run-of-the-mill fighting game... there are already a dozen games just like it that run on the Xbox. As for being a software pirate (or pirette perhaps in my case ). I pirate games 'cos I can, whether it be 10 years old or 10 days old, there's no difference. And there are more than enough ppl who don't possess the intelligence to do so to keep the software companies in business for many years to come.Not that I personally would care if the games industry died tomorrow, all the new games I've played seem to suck. Perhaps a little less revenue would knock things back to basics when games were about gameplay rather than fancy FMV. Not a popular view of things I'm sure, but if it isn't a legal issue (since all of our rom collections are technically illegal) then it's a moral one, and morality is subjective... |
This is just semantics, although the law is unable to differentiate between pirating something 10 days old and 10 years old. Doesn't mean you're not, it's quite simple we all know that when we play an old game on an emulator we are very unlikely to buy the game and even if we did the original developers would get nothing for it (If you have to buy it 2nd hand). Most people only play games they used to own on emulators anyways so they've already paid they're dues (Unless they pirated it the first time). Of course if you were selling warez the law would take into account loss of earning which would be zero for a game no longer available.
They're is a moral distinction any reasonably intelligent human being can make, you can justify it to yourself however you want but we all know deep downs warez are wrong. I'm not saying I've never pirated anything but at the same time every really good game I've ever played (For the home market) I've owned on one format or another. Maybe my viewpoint is influenced because I've several friends who work in the games industry and it's not all rolling in cash.
All because you have no respect foor tthe law (Which is understandable) doesn't mean you shouldn't respect the people who programmed them.
I admit the industry is stagnant at the mo but they're have been classics for the xbox Soul Calibur 2 comes to mind i think Sega are gods though and I still play my DC more than I play Xbox games. (4 player Power Stone 2)
Post by: nanpanman on November 21, 2003, 09:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (Jagosix @ Nov 11 2003, 12:20 AM) |
P.S.DP - means Direct Port (of a game) u can learn something from everybody :). |
Oh really? I thought it stood for "Deep Penetration", which is exactly what you seem to be asking for.
(sorry about this lame joke, but somebody just had to make it ;) )
Post by: Jinkazama on November 21, 2003, 10:57:00 AM
And WE are bad for wanting to play the game on the Xbox? Hell with that. When it's all figured out, I'll have it both ways.
I'd same most of the ROM only guys are posting right HERE on THIS forum, not so much at a place like www.neo-geo.com
And there's a LOT of people HERE using Kawa-X roms with no ownership or intention of ownership, so as far as I'm concerned, poeple can stop pretending to be righteous.
Post by: buuZERO on November 22, 2003, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: Chux on November 22, 2003, 09:34:00 PM