Post by: Corn-O-lio on August 22, 2003, 09:09:00 PM
Post by: CraiZEAH on August 22, 2003, 09:20:00 PM
so you can just use UltraXLE's new version like a plugin, who knows
Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on August 22, 2003, 09:41:00 PM
PJ-64x is in development still. Be patient, because the wait will be worth it.
As for UltraXLE and PJ-64X merging, I don't think that will ever happen. They are two different emulators, and UltraXLE doesn't really use a plugin from what I understand...
In addition to those, 1964 is in development!, which I look forward to seeing in the future.
-Bender
Post by: oDD_ on August 22, 2003, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on August 22, 2003, 10:17:00 PM
-Bender
Post by: Large Dopant white on August 22, 2003, 10:35:00 PM
EDIT: In case it wasn't obvious, I was speaking more of PJ64X than UltraXLE, but the same opinion applies to both in different quantities. Would you want to work on an emulator when you know the other guy got a couple grand for his work, and you'll get nothing?
Post by: oDD_ on August 22, 2003, 11:28:00 PM
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| Now that the contest is over, I don't have any faith in an update. I mean, if you just earned a cool $2500 from coding an emulator, and there's absolutely no reward for an update, would you do it? |
No faith? Well maybe you should go to church.
Why would you update it? Because to some people there are more important things than money.
It took ~6 weeks to port Pj64. During that time the Pj64 author could have been at work earning a LOT more than sitting at home working Pj64. Yet he gave a lot of the money away to the original author(s) of pj64 and the video plugin AND bought a debug xbox kit so he can increase his productivity and investigate new programming techniques for the xbox, all for who? Yes YOU! After all that he didnt get much at all.
Also if after all this time you're still bitter about the money then you really need to grow up and take a good look at yourself.
| QUOTE |
| EDIT: In case it wasn't obvious, I was speaking more of PJ64X than UltraXLE, but the same opinion applies to both in different quantities. Would you want to work on an emulator when you know the other guy got a couple grand for his work, and you'll get nothing? |
Because I do it for the love of programming. I get a kick out of seeing my hard work working as I envisioned. I also enjoy seeing it being used by others and the enjoyment they get from it.
As a final note, both of us are working on something big and I know you'll like it. But for now, be paitent and stop posting stupid posts like the one you just posted.
Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on August 22, 2003, 11:34:00 PM
). The people who put money into the contest did so to recieve an emulator which they craved for. And we're lucky the programmers share their hard work with the scene.There is no reason to doubt that PJ-64X is getting updated, because in time - our long awaited update will come.
-Bender
EDIT: It took me so long to type this up, oDD beat me
Also, I took out the third paragraph.. it was rediculous speculation.
Post by: Likklebaer on August 23, 2003, 12:24:00 AM
Dunno about UltraHLE... but if I was in a particularly negative mood I would say that it too would never have existed had it not been for the contest. No contest - no releases. That's the way it is until somebody proves otherwise.
IMO 1964 will be the future of N64 emulation on the Xbox.
Post by: Large Dopant white on August 23, 2003, 12:34:00 AM
)You cannot tell me sincerely that twenty-five hundred dollars isn't an incentive. That's more than what most programmers (or about 40% of the US population) make in the span of a month, so I do not find it very incomprehensible that those with the skills would take a months or so vacation to work on it (Really rough estimate, but it's around 40K a year salary to make about $2500 in a month... again, alot of people fall under this range, and porting an emulator is far less stressful than, say, listening to your boss bitch because you didn't meet a deadline).
I'm not saying the emulator isn't good. For what it is, and on the hardware it performs, it's great and quite the achievement. All I'm saying is that a legal XDK would've been more productive, as many more programmers would have flocked to the scene had there been a legal alternative to the licenced XDK. Although this is a tired argument for the subject at hand, look at the DC scene and tell me that having a legal development kit didn't have a positive effect.
Post by: kvajnto on August 23, 2003, 03:35:00 AM
Large Dopant white:
You are obviously doing some of that white powder, as you are NOT understanding what's happening here.
oDD said it before, but I'll say it again as you clearly didn't get it. The money that the author of PJ64-X was rewarded was partly given to the developers of the original code and he also bought a debug xbox (if you don't know what a debug xbox is used for, then please ask). $2500 isn't that much to begin with, but after theses expenses my bet is that there wasn't much left.
And wait. You think that development of UltraXLE will be halted as someone else won the competition? UltraXLE was released AFTER the competition. Think about it. Also, even AFTER oDD said that he and the author of PJ64-X will continue their work (in a joint venture, I presume), you STILL don't belivie him? I mean, wtf?
One month is not a long time. Two months is not very long either. Even if one developer got $2500 that doesn't mean he can quit his day-job and start coding for us all the time. Or is that what you belive?
Likklebaer:
You obviously have no clue what you are talking about either. The only reason people would think that 1964 is being ported by anyone is becuase oDD handed us that information. You believed him then, why not all the other times he has spoken about N64-emlation?
oDD: Love your work. =)
Post by: Keito-Kun on August 23, 2003, 05:00:00 AM
Take your time, don't release too fast.
N64 emulation is hard, you should just
sit down and relax if you get tired coding
Everybody should be able to wait.
Post by: anti-pop on August 23, 2003, 06:08:00 AM
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| No contest - no releases. That's the way it is until somebody proves otherwise. |
Congrats for posting one the supidest thing ever posted here.
It amaze me how some people are STILL bitching about the contest.... you people need to move on with your lives. seriously.
We don't care whether you're doubting this or that, we don't care how you would have handeled a contest (want an open XDK contest ? sure, nice idea... then why don't you do it yourself instead of bitching ?).
Can't you people just be grateful for what you have, look forward to the upcoming releases and support coders and developers instead of being vocal asses ?
Thank you
Post by: Heet on August 23, 2003, 06:33:00 AM
Post by: Iriez on August 23, 2003, 08:46:00 AM
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| However, I do not see my opinion as immature, only realistic. |
So tell me exactly again how ignoring every truth im telling you in regards to PJ64-X, and oDD himself coming on here and saying exactly how it is....is 'only realistic' ?
Try utterly pestimistic. You are nothing but a annoying antagonist who has no insight whatsoever into the matter.
Post by: Large Dopant white on August 23, 2003, 08:49:00 AM
Well, then, to wit, my naive young peers: you can all continue to believe in the fallacy that the scene is a 'brotherhood' and people will do things out of the goodness of their hearts. I, for one, actually live in the real world, and know that things will never be that simple ever again, now that money has been introduced- ever seen what happens when a friendly competition when money becomes involved? Apparently not.
EDIT: Iriez? Last I checked, you simply insulted and flamed anyone who disagreed with you. I am definately backing out of this before you turn this into another flamewar of yours, and I advise others with my view to do the same.
Post by: Iriez on August 23, 2003, 08:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Aug 23 2003, 10:49 AM) |
| Look, it's clear that most of you are not thinking about the subject very hard |
Look, its clear you have absolutly nothing positive, constructive, or even logical to say, so why dont you go read elsewhere?
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| you can all continue to believe in the fallacy that the scene is a 'brotherhood' and people will do things out of the goodness of their hearts. |
I certianlly will, and while im sitting here with private builds playing all my favorite large roms, you can sit in the corner of your mothers house and mutter negative remarks to the wall.
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| I, for one, actually live in the real world, and know that things will never be that simple ever again, now that money has been introduced |
And the answer is........WRONNNNNNG
Once again, you prove that you only hear what you want to hear. You neglect every single thing oDD and myself has said in regards to progress.
I hate to tell you, but your 'real world' is just your private little fallacy, breed through obvious denial and negativity.
Post by: Likklebaer on August 23, 2003, 09:26:00 AM
Then PJ64-X is released and immediately shows signs of a 'rushed job', and to top it all the author wanted to remain effectively anonymous, it wasn't hard to jump to conclusions.
I also refuse to believe that Ultra-HLE being released in the same week was simply a coincidence. It was clearly originally intended for the competition even if it wasn't entered for whatever reason. That's not to disparage the emulator in any way, just some (if not all) of the motivation behind it.
Though I agree, on the basis of your hints and tidbits Iriez, the future of N64 emulation on the Xbox is starting to look a lot brighter now, you can't blame people for being pessimistic that anything positive was going to come of the whole thing. I just hope that nothing like that ever happens again since all it does is create pessimists.
Post by: cainedna on August 23, 2003, 10:20:00 AM
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| Well, then, to wit, my naive young peers: you can all continue to believe in the fallacy that the scene is a 'brotherhood' and people will do things out of the goodness of their hearts. |
Large White Dophant, if the emu scene had dried up since April, with the remaining authors sitting on their thumbs until someone starts a fund for them, you might have a platform to be standing on.
The fact is a majority of us haven't paid cent one for any of these emulator ports. I certainly feel like I use them enough to want to reward the authors in gratitude, but the fact is that none of them ask for it. Xport, Lantus, and so many of these authors have given us these pieces of software.
I doubt you donated to the contest, and if you did, it wasn't all that much, so the fact remains that this software was free. You can believe that Iriez and everyone else deeply involved the scene is lying to you about new and updated N64 emus for the Xbox, but you have no reason to be on this high horse.
And for the record, most used stores sell N64's for less than many of it's games, if you really can't wait to play Mario Tennis.
Post by: Iriez on August 23, 2003, 10:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (Likklebaer @ Aug 23 2003, 11:26 AM) |
| Then PJ64-X is released and immediately shows signs of a 'rushed job', and to top it all the author wanted to remain effectively anonymous, it wasn't hard to jump to conclusions. |
To jump to conclusions is one thing. To deny what was said, and to say that it is really the opposite is another.
It was said right off the bat that development would continue as it did, regardless of what the contest entailed.
| QUOTE |
| I also refuse to believe that Ultra-HLE being released in the same week was simply a coincidence. It was clearly originally intended for the competition even if it wasn't entered for whatever reason. |
oDD has stated many times exactly why he ported UltraXLE. It had absolutly nothing to do with the contest. If you wish to call him a liar, you can do so, but i will call you a fool.
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| you can't blame people for being pessimistic that anything positive was going to come of the whole thing. |
After i have gone out of my way so many times to say that development was progressing very well, even including details? Yes, i most certianlly can blame people for being pessimistic that 'anything positive' was going to come out of it.
Infact, it was idiots like Large Dopant White that made me stop giving updates. I have alot of good news to spread, but i would rather wait and let the emu talk for itself when its ready for another public introduction.
Post by: Bender_Unit_1 on August 23, 2003, 11:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Aug 23 2003, 05:49 PM) |
| I am definately backing out of this before you turn this into another flamewar of yours, and I advise others with my view to do the same. |
That makes me concerned that he still doesn't understand the truth yet...
-Bender
Post by: Foe-hammer on August 23, 2003, 02:53:00 PM
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| Did you donate White? Im just wondering how someone can argue points about a contest that they didnt contribute toward. |
Well said. All complainers need to just shut their pie holes. The emu developers do not owe you NOTHING, especially to those who didn't contribute.
EDIT: Quote didn't show up the first time.
Post by: x999x on August 23, 2003, 05:31:00 PM
Post by: the_casanova on August 23, 2003, 05:32:00 PM
and you say that money need to be donated to gett emus...
Xport said him self hi dident whant any money att all
it a hoby they gott my broder is a pc coder
and hi dose it for fun dont gett any moeny att all just for fun...
this hole scene pc xbox ps2 movie is build on shareing
i men there will be another n64 emu just let it take its time it whont gett here faster by being a bitch all the time...
if you relly whant to play n64 just gett a pc emu until the new xbox n64 emu is released...
and the ones released for xbox is pretty damn good!!!!
sorry for my weard port i am relly tierd there is probely a lot of spelling issues anyway take care