Post by: HeLiuM on June 20, 2003, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: Carsten on June 20, 2003, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: Heet on June 20, 2003, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: XDelusion on June 20, 2003, 09:03:00 AM
Post by: guile on June 20, 2003, 09:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (HeLiuM @ Jun 20 2003, 05:35 PM) |
| its a different kind of audience. but i agree, xbox games are too focused on looks. brute force.. sure it looks good, but the gameplay absolutely sucks.. it's so monotonous.. |
I SO agree with you on that. I refuse to play that game. Imo, it TOTALLY sucks!!
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Post by: guile on June 20, 2003, 09:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (Heet @ Jun 20 2003, 05:47 PM) |
| Im gonna buy one too. I would never pay 50$ a game (i always wait for them to drop if i buy) but since the cube is droppin in price and so are its games...its a no brainer that it is worth the 100$. |
Well, as far as the price of games, I was never paying no $50 either;) Almost EVERY game I got was had for less then $20
shipped. Know where????....EBAY!! As far as Zelda looking like ass?? Umm...I don't think so. I think it looks amazing in fact.
Mech- There are still a few other really good games. I think Wave Race, Resident Evil and Res Zero, Starfox Adventures, Eternal Dakness, Animal Crossing (cute, but EXCELLENT)and Pikman to name a few. The funny thing is, I can't really think of
that many good Xbox games, can you? The ONLY game I have really been playing the crap out of and having much fun is
Burnout 2. I also thought Hulk was ok, but now I'm starting to re-think my opinion on it. Btw- both of those are cross platform games.
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Post by: Heet on June 20, 2003, 10:07:00 AM
1. 007: Nightfire
2. Apex
3. ATV Racing
4. BalderÂ’s Gate
5. Blood Rayne
6. BMX XXX
7. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
8. Burnout 2
9. Collin Mcray Rally 3
10. Conflict Desert Storm
11. Crimson Sea
12. Dead To Rights
13. Dead or Alive 3
14. DOA Xtreme Volleyball
15. Dragonslair 3D
16. Fatal Frame
17. FIFA Soccer 2003
18. Ghost Recon
19. Halo
20. Hitman 2
21. Indiana Jones
22. Jedi Knight 2
23. Jet Set Radio Future
24. Largo Winch
25. Mech Assault
26. Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
27. Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
28. Morrowind
29. Mortal Kombat
30. MotoGP
31. Moto GP2
32. NBA Street Vol.2
33. Outlaw Golf
34. Panzer Dragoon
35. Project Gotham Racing
36. Pro Race Driver
37. Rallysport Racing
38. Sega GT 2K2
39. Serious Sam
40. Shadow of Memories
41. Silent Hill 2
42. Soul Calibur 2
43. Splashdown
44. Splintercell
45. SSX Tricky
46. State of Emergency
47. The Thing
48. The Sims
49. Tiger Woods Golf
50. Tao Feng
51. Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4
52. Two Towers
53. Transworld Snowboarding
54. Transworld Surf
55. UFC Tapout 2
56. Unreal Championship
57. Vexx
58. V-Rally 3
59. Wolfenstein
60. Yager
Post by: Sweetleef on June 20, 2003, 10:16:00 AM
Personally, I don't think you have to be down on one system to enjoy another. All The systems have something playable about them as well as limitations. And no disrespect but if you take away Nintendo's Zelda, Metroid, & Super Mario, your left with the world smallest toilet (shitter)
. And before everyone assumes that those games are all that (Yes they are very good but): Metroid has great colors, atmosphere, but is lacking truely great graphical rendering. The lack of graphical detail will in no doubt be excused by nintendo owners, but the display in Animal crossing for example is bleeding like an avulging limb. I know what your thinking "Check your tv dued"..."black and white whent out with pong"..."try the vertical hold"...hahaha that is funny stuff but If you look, you can see a lot of seems and the colors don't pop like Nintendo probably wanted. As for mario and zelda they can only be lacking graphically. Bright happy colors for mario do not camoflague it for me. Look close (Yes I have these games) Can you imagine what they would look like on the xbox? Playstation graphics are more fluid than xbox at times. That's just it though...what's next? So there are more rpg's on the ps2, that doesn't make them great games. Not to say they're not good. I don't have PS2 so I can't comment on a game by game basis. Just trying to be honest. But if Grand Theft Auto and Vice City are coming to xbox that will steal some of the PS2 thunder.
Now the xbox is amazing in it's own right. Unfortunately, the full potential isn't realized without a m0dch1p. Halo in all it's grace was chopping like a flight on pan am. Sure some games are lacking, but there are also a bunch of great games as well as sleepers. Project Gotham Racing is fun as hell. A lot of the sports games (even Tony Hawk) end up on all consoles. And I think this is another strong point for Xbox. Anyway I will stand on the highest mountain and shout out what a great hardware this is for the money. A built in nic, and harddrive...hmm. It's understandable why the hackers targeted this system with much more aggresion than the others.
In conclusion and shit, all this talk is just a big menstrual masturbation session. Who the fuck cares about a bunch of blinking lights when your dealing with a death in the family, unemployment, and/or illness. In ten years there is a 25% chance that one of todays modern consoles will be in a landfill under your home. There are more important things in life. Don't be a victim of advertising. Perspection.
Post by: abhorrent on June 20, 2003, 10:24:00 AM
I'm tempted to get the Gamecube just to get the GBA adapter cause I don't really like playing games on the road (what the hell for, I'm the driver all the time!), and it's the last place where 2D reigns supreme. However, I do support paying 50 dollars for a game. If it is that good, it deserves my money. After all, it costs to make these games, not just for the physical medium (CD or DVD) in which it comes in.
Post by: guile on June 20, 2003, 10:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (Sweetleef @ Jun 20 2003, 07:16 PM) |
| Personally, I don't think you have to be down on one system to enjoy another. All The systems have something playable about them as well as limitations. And no disrespect but if you take away Nintendo's Zelda, Metroid, & Super Mario, your left with the world smallest toilet (shitter). |
WOW! What a contradiction. I was never down on Xbox, it friggin rules. I was talking about fun games. There are quite a few good games on Gamecube vs Xbox is all I'm saying. I already mentioned at least 10 REALLY good Gamecube only games. As much as I love the Xbox, I STILL can't think of 10 (Xbox only) REALLY good games.
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Post by: XDelusion on June 20, 2003, 10:58:00 AM
Halo
007 Agent Under Fire
007 Night Fire
Blood Omen 2
Dead Or Alive 3
Dr. Muto
Dragon's Lair 3D
Indiana Jones
Dark Forces III: Jedi Knight 2
Mech Assault
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Quake II (he he)
Red Faction II (after you play it a while)
Robotech Battlecry
Serious Sam (1 and 2)
Silent Hill 2
Spy Hunter
Jet Set Radio
The Thing
Tiem Splitters 2
Tony Hawk (pick one)
Turok (mildly graphical) Evolution
Unreal Championship (and I am so sick of DM)
Vexx
Wolfenstien (I mock the Sony version)
Wreckless (usually hate racing, but this is kool)
Enter The Matrix
Buffy (if only she would shut the fuck out though, I hate her, but this is fun)
That which will rock:
Fable (screw the elder scrolls)
Starwars: Kinght Of The Old Republic
DOOM III
Half-Life 2
Unreal II (sounds like it is on its way)
Dark Forces IV: Jedi Knight 3
Soul Reaver 3 (or what ever it is called)
Halo 2
Deus Ex 2
That which is for the shallow minded in order:
5. All football games. There only needs to be 3 Football games EVER. They are are on-line compatable, but... The 1st one has to have bad controls so everyone has at least one to bitch about and wish they did not buy (serves them right for owning 8 different football games), One which plays really well, but lets you break the rules like mad, and one that plays really well, but conforms to the real rules a bit too much. That said, we already have at least 10 thousand football games that fit the description, so no more need to be made, spend your time porting over updating and porting over PC classics such as Half-Life, Dark Forces II, Jedi Knight, Unreal, Gundam Chronicls, Sin, Undying, ect.
4. All strictly Death Match games aside of Unreal Champ. (Come on, we are putting things on DVD now, you got room for a single player story "Quake III cough cough".
3. Every other game that plays like Blood Rayne.
2. Blood Rayne (fun for a while, but just like Wolverine, Hulk and all those other 3rd Person games where you hack and slash, only here you hack, slash, look at boobs, listen to her talk like a teenage run away, then hack and slash some more. Gay!!!
1. Batman Dark Tomarrow (Oh my GAWD, I won't even go into the camera angles let alone the controls and gfx. Oh my, this one is just fucked up man.
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And on another note:
The definition of a PS2 by XDelusion.
An over priced crippled Dreamcast with shitty DVD playback.
Thankx you thank you thank you.
Post by: Vegeta on June 20, 2003, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: Sweetleef on June 20, 2003, 11:34:00 AM
"...I already mentioned at least 10 REALLY good Gamecube only games. As much as I love the Xbox, I STILL can't think of 10 (Xbox only) REALLY good games."
Halo II counts for 7 games just because it will rock.
Well I guess it depends on what your looking for. Of course I could say well you sure as hell can't put linux on gamecube...but then again maybe that's what I'm looking for. And we all know that is not "gaming". Both, however, could easily change as systems mature. Guess that's part of the ride. As for having 10 xbox only games, maybe there are only 5...so what, that doesn't make the gamecube better because 10>5. That's illogical. The gamecube is graphically inferior to the X (considered by many), which would allow some one to argue that quality is better than quantity. This same "limitation", by the way, doesn't make gamecube worse. It's all perception. I'm left to believe that your attempt at defining what is better is part of your nature. I will not take offense to it but I have to say it sounds like you speak troll. And these things are nebulous. Either way enjoy your gaming.Post by: Ken_D on June 20, 2003, 11:44:00 AM
Post by: Sweetleef on June 20, 2003, 11:48:00 AM
DEATH FROM ABOVE!!! NINJA ATTACK!!! Well I guess that will be his last post
.Anyone that says that this game is not GREAT is watching too much TV. Yes, that must be it. Using comercial influence to rate games is ridiculous. Lowen na you have no honor! Your dead body will be slapped and your bald head will be rubbed with CHA CHA CHA CHIA! seeds. Then your burnt ashes will be packed into a duck hunt cart as a reminder for future offenders.
Post by: cerbero on June 20, 2003, 11:53:00 AM
The Spawn game coming out this winter looks like a complete rip-off of Devil May Cry, so I hope they rip it well
Post by: Lowen Na on June 20, 2003, 11:55:00 AM
Have ever seen any comercials that said that game was bad?
And I am not bald
Post by: {{909}} on June 20, 2003, 12:03:00 PM
. 4 player bomberman is the best thing ever!I have actually sold a few xboxs to people simply for the reason it plays divx, one guy emailed me last week to see if the machine i sold him could actually play backup games, he thought it was an added bonus!
Post by: Sweetleef on June 20, 2003, 12:10:00 PM
)Yeah it plays better if you have a drivers liscence. And whats up with your space bar?
j/k"I whish we had Devil May Cry on the Xbox. Now THAT'S a fun game The Spawn game coming out this winter looks like a complete rip-off of Devil May Cry, so I hope they rip it well"
That's hillarious
Post by: Mechazilla on June 20, 2003, 12:12:00 PM
Post by: Enkak on June 20, 2003, 12:27:00 PM
Post by: Lowen Na on June 20, 2003, 12:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mechazilla @ Jun 20 2003, 09:12 PM) |
| Then sony after years of using cheap parts to make their consoles, will be crippled, and xbox will reign supreme. Then sony will leave the videogame industry to persue other things. The M$ monopoly case will finally be settled, and Atari will come back yet again to start the next cycle... |
HAHAHAHAHAHA
*wipes tears from eyes*
oh... oh...
HAHAHAHAHAHHAA
Atari is not coming back to make hardware as the only thing left of them is the name, and it is just used by a software publisher.
M$'s is biggest enemy in the gaming market is them selves. They are going to continue to try and strong arm their way in to the market, which is going to continue to alienate developers and publishers alike (like EA, for example). M$ seems to think that flooding the market with the XBOX at a loss is going to make the XBOX2 sell better. Gamers are finicky. We will turn on something quick for little reason. Look at how Atari lost to Nintendo in one system. Nintendo lost to Sony in one system. It only takes one system to make or brake a console manufacter. MS seems to think that they can take over the market then do what ever they want. Nintendo had that aditude at one time. All it did was make developers jump to other, newer platforms. Luckily, Nintendo was learned some things from their past, or they would be finished by now.
Sony doesn't make "cheap hardware" The earlier PS2 had a design flaw that caused some of them to stop reading DVDs after a while. But it's not like I haven't heard of Xbox's harddrive's failing or power supplies going out. Sony has the best game selection out there out off all three systems. The only thing that they have going agenst them is that the PS2 is getting old and the games do not look as good as the newer systems. But you have to remember Graphics != Good Games
The only think you said that I agree with, is that I DO think that if nintendo does not retake the market with their next system in 2005, then they will go the way of Sega.
Post by: Mechazilla on June 20, 2003, 01:07:00 PM
Post by: kram on June 20, 2003, 01:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| And yes I've had 2 systems die on my after the warranty. My v2 laser died, v4 laser also died. |
And what have you been doing to it? Throwing it out a window? I've had my PS2 since 2000 and it's doing just fine. Take care of your stuff and you'll find it lasts a lot longer.
Post by: Lowen Na on June 20, 2003, 01:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mechazilla @ Jun 20 2003, 10:07 PM) |
| Uhm check out BBC sometime they reported on sony's use of cheap parts to manufacture the ps2. They use cheap parts because they know people will buy a ps2 no matter what. Sony even stated that their consoles were only made to last until the warranty expired. And yes I've had 2 systems die on my after the warranty. My v2 laser died, v4 laser also died. |
Show me were sony has said that they design the systems to only last as long as the warranty.
I am sure that it happened like this at the SCE development lab:
Gai Yamada: "I have gotten the laser unit to fail at 120 days sir"
Touji Wantabe: "Not good enough. We have to get it to fail at 90 days, or we won't be making hardware that will seal our doom as a console manufacter effectivily enough"
BTW: your BBC link is timing out for me, but I can only assume that that it is some list of consumer complants about failing PS2. Just do a search fo Xbox Dirty Disc Error and you should find the same thing with M$. I don't think Thompson was choosen for the DVD drive becuase they are know for making great hardware. I don't think that the PS2 is built any cheaper* than any other console out there including the Xbox.
*cheaper meaning with low quality parts.
Post by: [FrEEzEr] on June 20, 2003, 01:57:00 PM
and the sega pack; JSRF is fun). I can download every game now but the xbox games just don't appeal to me.The reason why the gc isn't the number 2 (or 1) console is the bad image: It's kiddie (playability means kiddy to a lot of people
), but it is a really great console.O well in the end it's all about the taste of the consumer....
Post by: guile on June 20, 2003, 02:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mechazilla @ Jun 20 2003, 09:12 PM) |
| Your only hyped about your cube because it is a new system, it get dry soon enough. Nintendo has no fucking games coming out this year except for maio kart which already is shaping up to look like shit. Star Fox, the hud was disgusting and the death match was bland. Anyway Nintendo will soon go the way of the greatest a mightiest of them all...SEGA. And it will go multiplatform. Then sony after years of using cheap parts to make their consoles, will be crippled, and xbox will reign supreme. Then sony will leave the videogame industry to persue other things. The M$ monopoly case will finally be settled, and Atari will come back yet again to start the next cycle... |
Mech- I'm not hyped because the gamecube is new to me. It's just that playing some of these games really reminds me why
I like playing games. This is not an Xbox is better then Gamecube thread. I also never said Xbox didn't have fun games, just
not too many. I have gotten into SO many different Xbox games only to get bored and quit playing them. Fatal Frame, Indiana Jones, Hulk (Looks nice, but the game sux let's face it), Splinter Cell and yes, EVEN Halo!!! The ONLY game that
really turned me on enough to really finish was Medal of Honor:Frontline. THAT was a really fun game for me. I am also luvin
Burnout 2. Not to say there are a lot of crappy games for the Xbox, because there are quite a few good games.
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Post by: jAckKnife on June 20, 2003, 02:52:00 PM
Post by: SSSSSmokey on June 20, 2003, 03:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (Sweetleef @ Jun 20 2003, 07:16 PM) |
| take away Nintendo's Zelda, Metroid, & Super Mario, your left with the world smallest toilet (shitter) |
Take away Halo, and you've got the world's biggest...
Seriously, if you take away a consoles best games, obviously you will only have mediocre to crappy left.
Post by: Telemachus on June 20, 2003, 03:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (kINGJESTEr @ Jun 21 2003, 12:02 AM) |
My biggest disappointment with xbox is the fact that there aren't many RPG games. Other than that it's dope!  |
Amen to that. Where are the RPG's? Baldar, and that's about it...
UNTIL NOW! Zelda 64 rocks!
MUHAHAHAHA!
I somehow skipped the whole N64 phase, so this is like a new Christmas present in the last few weeks with these emus. Imagine when these things are complete!
Whoever added Jet Set Radio Futre to the best games list is a moron. That game reaks!
BOTTOM LINE: IF YOU ARE GOIN TO OWN 1 SYSTEM ONLY...
XBOX!
Plays my S/(X)VCD's, DVD's, divX, every system up to Dreamcast, and NOW ZELDA AND PS1!
Sure, there is no FFX, or mario sunshine, but I sure am happy with it.
Post by: jAckKnife on June 20, 2003, 04:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (Telemachus @ Jun 21 2003, 12:29 AM) |
Plays my S/(X)VCD's, DVD's, divX, every system up to Dreamcast, and NOW ZELDA AND PS1! |
Sega Saturn emulator?!? WHERE?!? I NEED IT!!!!
Post by: bLaCKcOmB on June 20, 2003, 05:54:00 PM
M$ game a good choice in purchasing Rare, because their games are awesome..
Post by: poiygon on June 20, 2003, 07:45:00 PM
Don't get me wrong, there are great games on other systems. Most of them, however, don't have that same replay/fun value that Nintendo puts into their games. The only thing that I would've like to seen with the GC is an integrated optical-out for better sound.
Post by: insertjokehere on June 21, 2003, 02:04:00 AM
About the BBC Watchdog thing (It isnt really relevant to the title of this thread but it was mentioned anyway) . Well, Watchdog is a consumer affairs programme on BBC1 at prime time. When my PS2 broke about a year ago, and all my friends ones broke around the same time (we all got ours about the same time and they were all the same model) I went to the BBC watchdog and emailed them about it, and after a while I got an email back saying that they had a number of mails about the early PS2 models. Anyway they want ed to do an interview for TV and I went on YAY!!! Anyway, the EARLY PS2 models were shie for a lot of people (not all) and I have gone off Sony ever since, because they refused to give repairs as it was JUST out of warranty, Sony have put me off as a company. I am not saying that a PS2 is bad just that this has put me off SONY and I just cant like all the regurgetated Pap that comes out of a lot of sony games.
That said the Ps2 has some corkers, as does the Cube and Box. I can't say that there are many American games that really interest me (apart from Indy). JSRF and Sega games have allways been a love of mine, the Style and care put into these games is far more absorbing that, what many FPS developers think "How many Exbplosions can we put in here". Nintendo also produce some really cracking games. The Xbox doesnt really have as many origional games as I would like, we need some ideas developers! I am not saing that Halo and Co are not Great games, it is just I would choose another Sega arcade game ay day.
Post by: XDelusion on June 21, 2003, 04:21:00 AM
...no NOT AT ALL. If that were so, then we would have one of the best RPG's on any console. Rather we have another Gauntlet clone that barrows upon the D&D rules system. nothing more sadly to say.
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From what I understand Atari (not the original company by this time already) was offered the Famicom at one point in time. I should have more details on that soon, in the mean time I can tell you this. The Atari 7800 was a finished product two years before the Nintendo released State Side. But the Tramiel's (the familily who fucked up the Atari name) did not want to release it for some reason or another, which gave Nintendo the chance to put the NES on the market, making it America's 1st 8-Bit gaming machine, and the 7800 the second, and at that dated 8-bit console. What a lot of people do not know though is that the team behind the original Amiga computer (makers of the 3DO minus Jay Miner who died by the time of the 3DO) made and designed the Atari 8-Bit computer. Atari had hired this team to design an advanced video game system for them, which would have totally blown away the NES, and SNES before either exsisted, but as fate would have it Commodore who had lots of money do to there success with the C64 swooped down and offered more money to Amiga if they would turn there video game project into a computer, which later released as the Amiga 1000. So, if things would have been different and 2nd Generation Atari not had there heads up there asses as they always did, Atari would have been the name behind some of your best childhood memories, or retro fetush depending upon your age.
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Sony before releasing the Sony 2 promised triple the polys of the Dreamcast, improved graphics on classic Sony 1 games, and a lot of other crap that fell through, and continues to fall through. See aside of using crap ass parts to save money because they know dumb shit, tech ignorant, jump on the fucking band wagon American consumers are going to buy there crap anyhow. They also released there $300 piece of crap with only 4Mb video RAM, with no compressio what so ever! Compare that to the Sega Dreamcast's 8Mb Video RAM and Compression on top and what do you get!?!?!?
2 systems who equal in poly count per second, and a Dreamcast who can render sharper images, and more unique and less reused texture and poly based worlds, despite Sony's lies about how great there Streaming from DVD technology may be, and how it allows them to keep up with the XBOX, ha ha ha. Of course M$ lied to and they are asses, they do have the better technology of the 4 consoles, well the Dreamcast does prolly retain the cleanest display of them all, but aside of that.
As for the ONLY reason the Game Cube is not doing...
...3rd party support. 3rd Parties make or break a system, that is why Sony stays on top because Capcom, Konami, and a lot of other companies who I used to worship and am beginning to hate are only releasing there best on the aging PS2, and saving there experimental bull shit for the XBOX and cube. :/
It is all about conspiracy, who is paying who behind who's back while getting a hand job at the same time. Somehow these companies HAVE to be payed off somewhere to do this, something has to compensate for all the sales lost if they were to port these classic to all 3 consoles. They would not lose money, they would make money, so somewhere they are getting payed off.
Post by: Spike Spiegel on June 21, 2003, 05:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (Carsten @ Jun 20 2003, 05:41 PM) |
| Hows the new Zelda....i heard it looks like a$$ but plays sweet? |
It looks good and is good, too. Looks... are subjective. I thought the new art style was fantastic.
Spike
Post by: fakesky on June 21, 2003, 08:59:00 AM
Mario Kart
Mario Golf
Mario Tennis
Wario World
Pikmin 2
1080 Avalance
F-Zero X
Mario Party 5
Star Fox 2
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil Online
Sonic Heroes
Tony Hawk Underground(comming for other consoles as well)
Even further we can expect a new Mario game, a new Metroid, and perhaps a new Zelda.
I dont really care about console wars, as I play all games I like on xbox(which was basically thps4 + death to rights, at least for now)
and play all the good games on gamecube..
ps2 got thrown away, much like the xbox would have without the "extra capabilities",
as I just got bored with all the games..
All I know is that gamecube has at LEAST 10 more great games to give within the next year or so, + the already existant 10+ good games, such as..
Mario Sunshine
Resident Evil: Remake
Resident Evil Zero
Star Fox Adventures
Zelda: Wind Waker
Pikmin
Metroid
Luigi's Mansion
Wave Race
Mario Party 4
Super Monkey Ball 1+2
etc
SO why bother fighting? Anyone who's seriously interested in good games should aquire all consoles that has games which you concider of such..
Its just childish to mock a machina you dont have while praising the one you do have
Post by: HeLiuM on June 21, 2003, 10:09:00 AM
you've dissapointed me sega). their sports games are cool too, but the only sports games i like is hockey and maybe football.if u ask me, the best thing gamecube has going for it is the zelda OOT port (the one with wind waker, which sucks imo) and sonic adventure 2. maybe metroid 3d, but i hate that controller so much i could never play a FPS with it
Post by: Mechazilla on June 21, 2003, 10:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (fakesky @ Jun 21 2003, 04:59 PM) |
| umm.. quite a couple of cool games will surface this year.. Mario Kart Mario Golf Mario Tennis Wario World Pikmin 2 1080 Avalance F-Zero X Mario Party 5 Star Fox 2 Resident Evil 4 Resident Evil Online Sonic Heroes Tony Hawk Underground(comming for other consoles as well) Even further we can expect a new Mario game, a new Metroid, and perhaps a new Zelda. |
First your list is wrong.
Resident Evil Online is not coming out on Gamecube it is PS2 only. Second Sonic Heroes is Multi Platform, and will obviously be the best on XBOX, as with all multi console games (with the exception of NFS). Resident Evil 4 is also Multiplatform. Please read up on before you post it.
Post by: XDelusion on June 21, 2003, 02:27:00 PM
Post by: Mechazilla on June 21, 2003, 06:14:00 PM
Post by: Lowen Na on June 21, 2003, 06:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mechazilla @ Jun 22 2003, 03:14 AM) |
| Your right the GC controller is a god send, try playing TS2 sometime with it. |
I love the way it is shapped and how it fits in my hands, but I think that the button layout on the GC controller is the stupidest thing ever.
Post by: HeLiuM on June 21, 2003, 06:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (kram @ Jun 21 2003, 11:41 PM) | ||
Just incase anybody decides that PS2 graphics are horrible or whatever: Please look at Gran Turismo 4.
What?! I'd rather play multiplatform games on a system with good controlers (PS2 and GC) personally. And please don't say that the Xbox version is going to look better because I'm sure developers are going to make the game look the same for every console and if there was a difference I'm sure we would not be able to see it because it would be so minor. |
whats wrong with xbox controllers? dont give me the "they're too big" bit, i have big hands and they fit perfectly. ive always liked the weird shaped controllers (n64 and DC), never could stand the playstation style ones (which gc takes after).
Post by: et00l on June 21, 2003, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: lucas on June 21, 2003, 08:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (kram @ Jun 22 2003, 09:41 AM) |
| What?! I'd rather play multiplatform games on a system with good controlers (PS2 and GC) personally. |
yeah, apart from it feeling like its cheaply made, the buttons being laid out all irregularly and the z button being in the dumbest position possible, gc controllers are great! ill admit ms has fucked up on both controllers with the positioning of the black and white buttons, but apart from that the controller-s is perfect
Post by: HeLiuM on June 21, 2003, 10:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (lucas @ Jun 22 2003, 05:31 AM) | ||
yeah, apart from it feeling like its cheaply made, the buttons being laid out all irregularly and the z button being in the dumbest position possible, gc controllers are great! ill admit ms has fucked up on both controllers with the positioning of the black and white buttons, but apart from that the controller-s is perfect |
only problem i have with controller-s is where the start and select buttons r :/ can never find them
Post by: phamtasm on June 22, 2003, 12:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (XDelusion @ Jun 21 2003, 05:27 PM) |
| So nobody owns a Dreamcast!?!? |
I have a DC! Its awesome! too bad games are kinda rare now....I shouldve gotten all of those capcom games!
Post by: d7onr8 on June 22, 2003, 12:19:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| In conclusion and shit, all this talk is just a big menstrual masturbation session. Who the fuck cares about a bunch of blinking lights when your dealing with a death in the family, unemployment, and/or illness. In ten years there is a 25% chance that one of todays modern consoles will be in a landfill under your home. There are more important things in life. Don't be a victim of advertising. Perspection |
Just as Sweetleef said above. I totally agree with you man. All of this stuff is great fun, but when the real world kicks in a negative way, all of this is trivial. Respect.
Post by: hoss288 on June 22, 2003, 02:10:00 AM
Post by: XDelusion on June 22, 2003, 02:25:00 AM
...well this is just a hobby you see, I don't live and breathe , and I definatly don't follow advertising hype, I follow technology, thus the XBOX has became an extension of my hobbies to escapse some of real lifes less finer points such as loosing your best friend, and spiritual adviser to cancer.
Kram: It is not so much the GFX of the PS2, but how far it can be pushed, and the fact that it is over priced and over hyped for what it "really" is.
Post by: Mage on June 22, 2003, 09:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (XDelusion @ Jun 22 2003, 03:25 AM) |
| Kram: It is not so much the GFX of the PS2, but how far it can be pushed, and the fact that it is over priced and over hyped for what it "really" is. |
What is it "really" then?
I think you just read some website and said 'hm ok this sounds good.'
So some real research before you think the ps2 from a technological standpoint has major issues.
Oh yeah, with regards to your idea that 4MB vram is a real problem for the ps2, well if you understood the arch you'd realize it really isn't a problem.
This isn't a PC so don't think in terms of PCs, even though you can do that with the xbox, that has never been the case with other gaming consoles.
Post by: desertboy on June 22, 2003, 09:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (Mage @ Jun 22 2003, 06:29 PM) | ||
What is it "really" then? I think you just read some website and said 'hm ok this sounds good.' So some real research before you think the ps2 from a technological standpoint has major issues. Oh yeah, with regards to your idea that 4MB vram is a real problem for the ps2, well if you understood the arch you'd realize it really isn't a problem. This isn't a PC so don't think in terms of PCs, even though you can do that with the xbox, that has never been the case with other gaming consoles. |
Unreliable and looking long in the tooth is what it really is but it does have some beautiful games and if I hadn't bought my box for media player I'd have bought a PS2.
Post by: Lowen Na on June 22, 2003, 10:00:00 AM
| QUOTE (HeLiuM @ Jun 22 2003, 06:55 PM) |
| ps2 also has some of the worst games i've ever seen. they have a larger production base, but xbox has bungie and rare, and as long as segas keeps making SOMETHING for xbox, it'll always have the advantage in my mind |
Ok... Bungie has done Halo and will do Halo 2, and Rare hasn't done anything yet.
Thats a hell of a line up you got there.
Post by: HeLiuM on June 22, 2003, 10:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jun 22 2003, 07:00 PM) | ||
Ok... Bungie has done Halo and will do Halo 2, and Rare hasn't done anything yet. Thats a hell of a line up you got there. |
only reason sony has any chance of success is squaresoft and rockstar
you think crash bandicoot woulda sold all those consoles?
and just because they haven't made anything yet doesnt mean they wont make anything..
and if your going to talk about how few great games xbox has, how could u not mention splinter cell and DOA3. it beats MK4 if ya ask me, tooo slow for my tastes
Post by: bombzhome on June 22, 2003, 12:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (guile @ Jun 20 2003, 12:24 PM) |
| Playing some of these N64 games got me hungry for fun. People will trash the Gamecube and PS2 all day long but I think a lot of them are missing something. Just playing Mario and Zelda, you forget what video games were/are all about, FUN! There are too many Xbox games that are missing that. I have well over 100 Xbox games and I probably play 5, maybe. Just hook up the Gamecube and play Mario Sunshine, Zelda, Rouge Squadron 2 (the way a REAL Star Wars game is supposed to be) and Metroid, and you will see what I mean. Xbox might have a lot over the other consoles but it missing the fun factor BIG time. g |
ur such an Ed why would u buyy a GayCube its for little 8 year old kids... and SUper Mario SUNSHINE is not impressive..i personally like Super Mario 64 MORE...GameCube games just dont cut it...they spoiled it with EVERY game that was origianlly on the N64...Super Smash for gamecube sux (rocked on N64) and same with mario and zelda...they were good on the N64 and now GAYCUBE spoiled it...im just saying...the price of gamecube ($150) add like $100 more and build urself a nice computer...
Post by: chilin_dude on June 22, 2003, 12:56:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ace25 @ Jun 22 2003, 09:44 PM) | ||
and I still think Mario or Zelda beat every game on that list hands down. You listed some good Xbox games, but nothing even comparable to Zelda.. and you have also listed A LOT of SHIT games .. plus.. Cross platform and PC port games do not count. The ONLY game you listed that I feel is worth anything is Buffy, and I am unsure if that one is cross platform or not.. ALL First Person Shooters SUCK on consoles without mouse/kb support. Yes, EVEN the beloved Halo.. Spend 5 mins playing some MoH:Spearhead on a PC and tell me that MoH on Xbox is even 1/2 the game it is on the PC. |
Bullshit... IMHO opion Halo and Project Gotham are better than any Gamecube game (ok maybe not supermonkey ball) because i hat RPGs such as zelda!
Post by: boo_se on June 22, 2003, 02:22:00 PM
Post by: kram on June 22, 2003, 03:04:00 PM
If you're looking for a lot of really, really good games you're gonna want to get a PS2.
If you're looking really, really, really good games (but the number of games come in short supply) you're gonna want to get a GameCube.
If you want good games and emulation, the only thing you can do is get all 3 systems.
Post by: bombzhome on June 22, 2003, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: solman989 on June 22, 2003, 03:29:00 PM
Post by: kram on June 22, 2003, 07:02:00 PM
Post by: XDelusion on June 22, 2003, 08:11:00 PM
Back to PS2... ok I'll believe in the hype when I see it. I am not trying to be one sided here just because I FUCKING HATE Sony, cause I HATE Microsloth just ass much, the PC world was great, or I should say Amiga was great and multi-tasking and doing multimedia just fine before Microsloth came around with there crappy Mac OS clone which was crappy during the days of Amiga as well. The thing is that almost everyone I know went out and bought a PS2 because they were excited about having built in DVD, and enhancing there PSONE games, this and that. And EVERY one of them (I kid you not) has had to take at least 1 or 2 of those systems back to the store because of faulty DVD, and if not that they have had to send there system back to Sony to be fixed because it either stopped turning on, or now only reads some discs but not others. Infact my weed sponcer just picked up Wolfenstein (which they had to cut down to work on the PS2 BTW), and his system will not read it, and now it is reading less and less of his games every day. He had tried cleaning the laser eye, but to no avail, so now he has to send it to Sony. My nephew is also now in this same situation where his Sony suddenly no longer turns on, just out of the blue, he takes good care of his system, then one day.... nothing. I am aware that not every XBOX is perfect either, but I can not say I have met but 2 XBOX owners who told me he had to send his in to get fixed or what not. That is in comparison to A LOT of PS2 owners I have talked to.
Bottom line though, you guys are 100% correct, it is all in the games really, and the PS2 really can pull of some kick ass gfx no doubt. But they did lie, they are over priced, and the Dreamcast can come damn near everything the PS2 can do, just give it a DVD to store more data if you wanna pull off Grand Turismo. Another thing is you take the Genesis and compare it to the SNES, yes they were both 16-bit, and aside of color palette they were equal in terms of GFX, but the SNES had mode 7, and many other Amgia demo like features that the Genesis did not, which ment the SNES could take games to a new level that did not rely on GFX to make that impact, but rather how the GFX could be manipulated. yes, of course the Genesis later found a way to emulate Mode 7, and multi-layered levels and what not, but not at the expence of system resources which took away from the rest of the game.
With the PS2 and XBOX there is the same situation. PS2 IS limited with 4MB video ram with no compression, and how you can assume that there is some magical way not to be effected by that I don't know and have yet to see. This has definatly had an impact on Poly count otherwise there would be no reason for the XBOX ports of Wolfensteind Splinter Cell, Run Like Hell, Silent Hill 2, ect ect ect to be better with more game features, more polys, sharper picture, special lighting ticks that only NVIDIA supplies atm. Ect. Plus you only pay one freaking bill for you on-line play, rather than paying multiple bills. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and you can't make a PS2 do things that its hardware was not designed to do. You might be able to pull off a few cheap imitations yet, but at the expence of more resources which the PS2 can not sacrifice.
Some day I may well buy one though, when they are about at the price of a Dreamcast and a generic DVD players, say $100 bucks? They are worth that much at least considering there is half the RAM of XBOX, no Hard Drive, crap ass DVD, (at least the CPU is good) ect. I mean come on now, if someone offered you a PC with:
400 Mhz CPU, 32 MB RAM, off Brand DVD and a 8 GB Hard Drive for $300
V.S. a
800 Mhz CPu, 64MB RAM, name brand DVD, and a 20GB hard drive for $300 which would you buy?
That is how I think when I buy consoles. Sorry but that is me. And yes the whole XBOX Dev sceen really makes things even more awsome!
Post by: pSyCo on June 22, 2003, 11:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
That which does rock: Halo 007 Agent Under Fire 007 Night Fire Blood Omen 2 Dead Or Alive 3 Dr. Muto Dragon's Lair 3D Indiana Jones Dark Forces III: Jedi Knight 2 Mech Assault Panzer Dragoon Orta Quake II (he he) Red Faction II (after you play it a while) Robotech Battlecry Serious Sam (1 and 2) Silent Hill 2 Spy Hunter Jet Set Radio The Thing Tiem Splitters 2 Tony Hawk (pick one) Turok (mildly graphical) Evolution Unreal Championship (and I am so sick of DM) Vexx Wolfenstien (I mock the Sony version) Wreckless (usually hate racing, but this is kool) Enter The Matrix Buffy (if only she would shut the fuck out though, I hate her, but this is fun) |
I don't know wtf your talking about .. a few of those games are freakin horrible...
007 Agent Under Fire ..sucks (i own it, bought it for the savegame exploit)
Dragon's Lair 3D ...sucks (i love the game, but it could have been done SOOOO much better!)
I have a feeling Nightfire isn't any beter then AUF... but yeah, alot of those games mentioned aren't exclusive either....
Don't get me wrong, i love my xbox ... i only have about 4-5 games for mine at the moment (Splinter Cell, Amped, Halo, 007: AUF, Air Force Delta Storm).. and i ownly own 3 GC games (Bloody Roar, Zelda, Metroid)... the games are comparable.. i mean, these games can't really be compared.. but still, the consoles are both great ... get over it.
Post by: room88 on June 22, 2003, 11:36:00 PM
It's all good
Post by: bombzhome on June 23, 2003, 07:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (kram @ Jun 22 2003, 11:02 PM) |
| Also, if you wanna see a complete idiot look at bombzhome because this whole topic is basically offtopic! lol |
umm i dont think u wanna talk cuz look under ur name...is says "X-S Newbie" get outta here with that B|TCH cuz ur a n00b and u aint know jack squat!
Post by: guile on June 23, 2003, 07:55:00 AM
| QUOTE (bombzhome @ Jun 23 2003, 04:03 PM) | ||
umm i dont think u wanna talk cuz look under ur name...is says "X-S Newbie" get outta here with that B|TCH cuz ur a n00b and u aint know jack squat! |
I think he was basing his opinion of you (and it is correct I might add) on your two post's within this thread. This is
an EMULATION forum within Xbox-Scene. That means that other talk of systems is ok here. Got it? Good. As far as your comments on the "Gaycube" (as you called it), did you ever even PLAY a Gamecube game? Let's put it this way, if I could only own one system, it would be an Xbox no doubt. But since this is a free country, I got a Gamecube too.
Peace
g
Post by: inty on June 23, 2003, 07:56:00 AM
the xbox scene is great and the emulators and media players on xbox are so good.
a few people here mentioned ps2 was a dreamcast with a dvd.
the dreamcast was running M$ os. and half these emulators and things you could get on dreamcast. if anything a dreamcast with a dvd. its the xbox
gamecubes worth owning just to marvel at its size.
you can use an xbox for your gamecube to sit on.
i think the games on gamecube are fun too.
and if no one else has noticed theres alot of GC rips floating around at the moment. i can only hope it gets the chance that xbox got with homebrew utilities and modchips.
snes was king. then ps1. now ps2 sells 30,million to xboxes 5 million. even if these people are buying 3 ps2's each because of the laser wearing out there still selling twice as many as xbox.
someone said nintendo is going to die like sega did.
the no.1 selling console is gameboy. never forget that.
i think the games on ps2 run at a high framerate. gotham and segaGT arent anywhere near as smooth or as playable as gran turismo. vice city and FFX are great games too. so please give the old giant a break.
to the guy that said dreamcast could do gran turismo if it had dvd. so wrong. do i need to mention gt4 being the highlight of e3 console games?
xbox rules but its big and heavy and if it falls it can harm small children (says so in the manual)
buy a gamecube because it cute and fun
buy a ps2 because its smooth and fast arcade style games.
buy an xbox because it has divx , awesome dvd playback and halo (and of course emus)
there all good
Post by: guile on June 23, 2003, 08:05:00 AM
| QUOTE (inty @ Jun 23 2003, 04:56 PM) |
| buy a gamecube because it cute and fun buy a ps2 because its smooth and fast arcade style games. buy an xbox because it has divx , awesome dvd playback and halo (and of course emus) there all good |
I agree...to a point. I am still not a fan of the Ps2. I won't trash it though. As much as I LOVE/LOVED my Dreamcast, I do not
think it could match the Ps2 even with a DVD player. I just feel most cross platform games will be better on Xbox the Ps2
anyways, so why should I own a Ps2? For Vice City? It is one of the best games for sure, but there is not enough of an
attraction for me to own a Ps2. And I did own one, but got bored and sold it. So I have played quite a few Ps2 games. I
would like a Tekken game on Xbox though:(
g
Post by: inty on June 23, 2003, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: Lowen Na on June 23, 2003, 08:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (inty @ Jun 23 2003, 04:56 PM) |
| the dreamcast was running M$ os. |
No it was not. The logo on the front of the DC said "Windows CE compatible" NOT
"Powered by Windows CE"
The DC did not load windows CE every time you turn it on. I was capible of running Windows CE if a game was writen to on it, but I do not think many games did.
Post by: inty on June 23, 2003, 09:14:00 AM
Post by: XDelusion on June 23, 2003, 09:37:00 AM
Who ever said get over it abou the Gamecube...
...I have NO problems with the Gamecube man, it is a great system, not quite an XBOX due to the lack of hard drive, real DVD, and NVIDIA, but I definatly intend to own one sooner or later, cash is just kinda short right now, it is just PS2 that makes me sick to my stomache.
Post by: HeLiuM on June 23, 2003, 09:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jun 23 2003, 05:47 PM) | ||
No it was not. The logo on the front of the DC said "Windows CE compatible" NOT "Powered by Windows CE" The DC did not load windows CE every time you turn it on. I was capible of running Windows CE if a game was writen to on it, but I do not think many games did. |
it did use the core of windows CE. half-life was written in it for dc, it was dropped before they made it for dc only
Post by: bombzhome on June 23, 2003, 06:51:00 PM
Post by: HeLiuM on June 23, 2003, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: inty on June 23, 2003, 10:38:00 PM