Post by: FoxRacR17 on June 29, 2004, 08:11:00 PM
Post by: HaloprO on July 01, 2004, 12:50:00 AM
Post by: triggernum5 on July 01, 2004, 08:51:00 AM
Another nice feature would be something like keyboardserver.exe (I think) from the Bochs emulator. This allowed you to use your PC's keyboard over the network really simply.
Post by: chilin_dude on July 01, 2004, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: xMonoxide187x on January 19, 2003, 09:21:00 PM
The project is set to feature an On-Screen Keyboard, AIM compatibility through the AOL Oscar servers, and the ability to run on an Xbox console standalone, with no other things required.
Our project is in the very early stages, as we are just planning and stuff, but we've run across a problem, we don't think the two of us is going to be enough to deliver a good project within a reasonable amount of time. We're looking for NO MORE THAN 2 people with Xbox Programming Knowledge, the will to do this, enough free time to get some development done and the skill needed to complete and execute what is planned here.
Full position details can be discussed with me over AIM (xMonoxide187x), MSN Messenger ([email protected]) or Email ([email protected]).
We are looking to start developing in the Alpha stages in the upcoming weeks, and are currently waiting for the submission to Sourceforge.net to be released. This project will be licensed under the GPL and source will be released to the public VIA our upcoming Sourceforge.net website. (But the binaries dont have to be released
)Once again, anyone interested can contact me at the above locations. Thanks for any support you can give.
Post by: gainpresence on January 19, 2003, 09:40:00 PM
Also, you can already do this with XB Linux. But it'd be pretty cool as a standalone thing I guess.
I'm useless at programming (I am learning, though). So I can't help you
Post by: budtron on January 19, 2003, 09:43:00 PM
Post by: xMonoxide187x on January 19, 2003, 09:44:00 PM
Advantages over xbox-linux with GAIM
No Confusing Setup.
No taking forever to load.
No having to Shut Down or Halt, just turn off the console or hit the on screen power button
On screen keyboard
Thats...about it.
Post by: budtron on January 19, 2003, 11:16:00 PM
But first, obviously, we need to get XIM out
Post by: budtron on January 20, 2003, 02:09:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on January 20, 2003, 02:31:00 PM
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Post by: BenJeremy on January 20, 2003, 02:34:00 PM
It certainly won't fly as a resident application (that is, you won't be able to get IMs during game play, since only BIOS-based code can possibly run in the background of an Xbox app), but the Dashboard would be the ideal location for this.
The more people start considering these types of apps, the more I think we need a dashboard that's extensible in some fashion. XBMP apparently now has code to support DLLs, so maybe it's time to look at that and implement an interface...
Post by: xMonoxide187x on January 20, 2003, 02:39:00 PM
What I'm thinking is the simplest way to do this, since the xbox doesnt support any kind of Window, would be that the side where the IM between me and Budtron would be the IM area, and any IM would go there. When you get an IM, the name on the buddy list would flash, and you click on it to get the persons IM up in place of the other ones. So in essence, all IM windows will be Open, but they just wont show up all at one time, and you can switch between them by clicking the persons name on your buddy list.
Help is still wanted guys. 2 spots left for coders. Could consider opening more if a group of people wants to join with eachother.
Post by: telo{+} on January 20, 2003, 05:38:00 PM
this is prolly one of the worst idea's i've heard. On screen keyboards suck, and I can think of a million different apps that would take prioity over this one.... How many people have usb keyboards plugged into their xbox AND have a broadband connection always on, AND want to sit infront of there tv and get messages... ?? not many
You sound like confident programers, please take on a task better suited to the scene
Post by: xMonoxide187x on January 20, 2003, 06:07:00 PM
By the way, this is just the beginning, we plan to have a full release in the future (depending how this goes over) called the XIE, Xbox Internet Environment, which will include E-mail, Internet Browsing and the XIM client, integrated into one through a Tabbing system.
A few people seem to think this isnt a bad idea. I know it isnt the greatest thing thats going to be completly useful to the scene, but the main stuff is covered. I have no idea where to start for developing an Emu, and Homebrew Games are kinda lame. Porting is a tedious project, and this adds a new function to the xbox. Also, this is open source, licensed under GPL, so if someone wants to implement the code for this into something else, its readily availible.
The only place the scene is lacking more then the others is the Apps department, except for a few more feature-rich BIOS's, but no one on the team has the ability to do a project like that.
Like I said before, if you have an idea for something better, feel free to email//AIM me and I'll take it into consideration.
Edit -- And if you would have read through the posts, you'd know its going to have support for real keyboards.
Post by: dankydoo on January 21, 2003, 02:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (xMonoxide187x @ Jan 21 2003, 01:07 AM) |
| Telo, If you want to give me an idea for a better project, go ahead. By the way, this is just the beginning, we plan to have a full release in the future (depending how this goes over) called the XIE, Xbox Internet Environment, which will include E-mail, Internet Browsing and the XIM client, integrated into one through a Tabbing system. A few people seem to think this isnt a bad idea. I know it isnt the greatest thing thats going to be completly useful to the scene, but the main stuff is covered. I have no idea where to start for developing an Emu, and Homebrew Games are kinda lame. Porting is a tedious project, and this adds a new function to the xbox. Also, this is open source, licensed under GPL, so if someone wants to implement the code for this into something else, its readily availible. The only place the scene is lacking more then the others is the Apps department, except for a few more feature-rich BIOS's, but no one on the team has the ability to do a project like that. Like I said before, if you have an idea for something better, feel free to email//AIM me and I'll take it into consideration. Edit -- And if you would have read through the posts, you'd know its going to have support for real keyboards. |
It sounds like an interesting project, but that's about it.....interesting maybe not as useful as something else. It just sucks that there are tried and true programs like this already available on the xbox, yes that's right.....LINUX.....give it a whirl.
Post by: dankydoo on January 21, 2003, 02:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (telo{+} @ Jan 21 2003, 12:38 AM) |
| bottom please! this is prolly one of the worst idea's i've heard. On screen keyboards suck, and I can think of a million different apps that would take prioity over this one.... How many people have usb keyboards plugged into their xbox AND have a broadband connection always on, AND want to sit infront of there tv and get messages... ?? not many You sound like confident programers, please take on a task better suited to the scene |
You my friend are an ass. Leave pepole do want they want. You are not contributing anything but negativity. So please stop trolling.
Post by: socrates on January 21, 2003, 03:49:00 PM
And as a matter of fact i would love it if someone could make me a beta tester as i have never beta tested anything before.
Post by: xMonoxide187x on January 21, 2003, 06:53:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| It sounds like an interesting project, but that's about it.....interesting maybe not as useful as something else. It just sucks that there are tried and true programs like this already available on the xbox, yes that's right.....LINUX.....give it a whirl. |
Linux takes a long time to boot up, requires a shutdown or Halt command and is a confusing install for Linux newbies, while XIM doesnt have any of those problems. I admit at the XIM stage it wont be useful, but integrated into the full XIE Internet Environment (If you havn't read the other posts, its going to include Web Browsing and e-mail), could be pretty good stuff, epecially as Open Source projects.
And believe me, I've given Linux many whirls, and it isn't the same. This will be standalone, requiring mere megs of hard disk space, while the smallest Linux install (Debian) requires 256mb Swap and the main filesystem, depending on how much space you allocated to that, is still going to be much higher then XIM, or the full XIE in the future.
Socrates, if you're truely interested in Alpha//Beta Testing, contact me, I'd be glad to add you to that area of the team.
Post by: socrates on January 21, 2003, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on January 21, 2003, 09:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (quasy @ Jan 21 2003, 08:22 PM) |
| i think a stand alone web browser would be extremely cool... i recall that the xtender mod chip team had a web browser in the works but then they just quit the scene.. pitty. no offense to anyone of you guys. xim sounds like a wonderful idea, however i feel that a web browser would be much more useful to the scene.. surfing with only part of the screen with eds live debian distro kinda blows. good luck with xim! |
Yes...but the initial project is XiM...we hope to implement a Web Browser after this release :-)
and if u gotta problem...deal w/ it!! lol
/me gives the crazy eye -->
hehe
Post by: xMonoxide187x on January 21, 2003, 09:38:00 PM
XiM: Open Source IM Client for the Retail Xbox System.
The Present: XiM as full featured standalone instant messenging client, for AIM, and IRC.
Extra Goal: XiM with MSN and possible Yahoo support.
The Future: XiD as the "Xbox Internet Environment", including integrated full XiM client, Web Browser, and E-Mail Client.
Extra Goal: XiD with IRC Support.
The extra goals would be a "Version 2.0" if you will. If all goes well with XiM, this is the project plan. If people hate it, give us bad feedback (besides saying "This should be an e-mail/web client, and include *insert IM client of your choice* Support. Thats why it sucks!") and the scene essentially doesn't like the job done or the end-product, the development may stop with XiM or be passed on.
Either way, this won't stop as a beta, a full featured version WILL be released.
So if any of the future goals interest you, support the XiM project.
Thank you,
XiM Team.
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on January 21, 2003, 10:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (Nailed @ Jan 21 2003, 09:22 PM) | ||
I hate to say it, but I agree! I see very little use for a stand-alone instant messanger. On the other hand, a web browser would be SO much more value added. I love browsing XBox-Scene from XBox-Linux but I dislike waiting for it to start. Seriously, your efforts are much better spent on numerous other projects than a messenger. I also think you're taking on a project larger than you might be able to handle since most IM specs are closed-source (Trillian took a long time before it was stable and Cerulean Studios is full-blown company). Again, an simple web browser app would be much better and could offer very limited chat via a webpage interface. But don't let me be a kill-joy... it's your project... not mine. |
OK...everyone listen..the project is wut it is...you will not change that...if you're not happy w/ it...dont bitch...if we can pull this off...it'll be great and Im sure both of you will use it! Cheers!
Post by: Nailed on January 21, 2003, 10:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (CaliSurfer008 @ Jan 22 2003, 05:27 AM) | ||||
OK...everyone listen..the project is wut it is...you will not change that...if you're not happy w/ it...dont bitch...if we can pull this off...it'll be great and Im sure both of you will use it! Cheers! |
I wasn't bitching.. only offering advice from one developer to another. Learn to accept (or throw-out) advice as you get it and you'll go far in the world.. but don't nay-say it.
Personally, I pretty sure I won't use it since I have a wireless handheld I use for quick messaging. But the code you write for this project would probably be helpful in other projects (such as a dashboard as someone else mentioned).
Best of luck.
Post by: nmajin on January 22, 2003, 01:34:00 AM
Post by: exstazi on January 22, 2003, 03:51:00 AM
Post by: Dirkbox on January 22, 2003, 05:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (dankydoo @ Jan 21 2003, 09:30 PM) |
| It just sucks that there are tried and true programs like this already available on the xbox, yes that's right.....LINUX.....give it a whirl. |
Having installed Linux (ed CD 7) on to my xbox I would say that this is not an option.
Why well resloution on my TV, I can't see jack & at the time was told that nothing could really be done about it.
So have things changed? if not then to me this is a good idea.
Although I thought some one was working on an IRC client, which to me would be much better.
Post by: woo on January 22, 2003, 07:22:00 AM
Wouldn't ICQ be a far more worthy option? For one, it's a much better client (IMHO) and has the ability of SMS. There are a few open source ICQ projects out there already. Maybe one of these might make a good reference point?..
Just a quick thought.
AOLIM is a nice idea, but AOL.. bahh humbug.. it makes me ill, just thinking about it.
Post by: Bob Marley on January 22, 2003, 09:03:00 AM
Is it possible?
It would spread...
BM
Post by: woo on January 22, 2003, 10:22:00 AM
) to try first for a client that already has a lot of the donkey work done, i.e. source code available of a PC clone. Porting must be a lot easier than trying to understand the protocols and creating your own client from scratch. If that's AOLIM then fair enough, but I'd star with whatever is easiest first and if that's another client and not AOLIM, then so be it. I always believe that making progress quickly helps you to stick with a project. I do see problems with the whole "virtual keyboard" thing. chat can be quite time consuming and cumbersome as it is. A virtual keyboard would be a horrible experience. Personally, I believe a virtual keyboard and support for a USB keyboard would be the best option. Not everyone has a USB keyboard, but the more software (linux aside) that supports it, then more people will invest.
telo{+}, had an interesting arguement, but I think flawed. Many XBOX owners have their XBOX connected to a broadband connection 24/7. All that I know do, because they have xDSL/cable and have their XBOX networked for XBMP/XBconnect/General FTP. etc.. Also, the more people that build apps with USB keyboard support (my hope is to see more emulators using this function) then the more people will invest in one. Right now, if you don't use Linux, there are few reasons to invest, but this would be one worthy. As for people that want to sit in front of their TV to send messages. Possibly it's more to show off than anything else, but I can see people using it, especially as the project grows (fingers crossed)..
Thanks for your effort guys.. new apps are definately appreciated
I serioulsy hope you intend on sticking with it and not abandoning it but ICQ would be sooooo much better lolPost by: xMonoxide187x on January 22, 2003, 08:25:00 PM
For those who want to know, it was a disagreement with some information he posted earlier, but this should hopefully be resolved in the future. He made promises we didn't want to make public, until we had the know-how to make sure it will work.
Post by: coolnick07 on January 22, 2003, 08:31:00 PM
Post by: jwdeff on January 23, 2003, 12:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (xMonoxide187x @ Jan 23 2003, 04:25 AM) |
| Note: CaliSurfer is officially off the team as of 9:00PM Central time, January 22nd 2003. He left on bad terms, so I don't know if he wants any sort of revenge. Any information given by him from now on should be deemed void, until verified by the xbox team. Thank you, and I'm sorry for any confusion this may cause. For those who want to know, it was a disagreement with some information he posted earlier, but this should hopefully be resolved in the future. He made promises we didn't want to make public, until we had the know-how to make sure it will work. |
You are not "the xbox team".
You are also not making a ground breaking new project.
No one cares about the date and time in which CaliSurfer was removed from the project.
You and "the xbox team" aren't going to be held accountable for CaliSurfer's "promises".
This project is a good opportunity for you two kids to learn to program. But do it on your own time, do it yourself, and don't go begging people for praise because you decided you might do it.
Suggestion to make the project more useful: make it small enough to fit in the bios. A lot of people have 512k+ bioses, that extra 256k is (probably) big enough for a very basic AIM client using TOC.
Post by: jwdeff on January 23, 2003, 12:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (woo @ Jan 22 2003, 03:22 PM) |
| I skipped reading half the mumbo jumbo, so excuse me if things have already been said lol.. Wouldn't ICQ be a far more worthy option? For one, it's a much better client (IMHO) and has the ability of SMS. There are a few open source ICQ projects out there already. Maybe one of these might make a good reference point?.. Just a quick thought. AOLIM is a nice idea, but AOL.. bahh humbug.. it makes me ill, just thinking about it. |
ICQ is AOL too.
AIM will soon support SMS, FYI.
http://www.wirelessa...s20030103.shtml
Post by: Nailed on January 23, 2003, 06:27:00 AM
Post by: jwdeff on January 23, 2003, 11:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (Nailed @ Jan 23 2003, 03:27 PM) |
| But AOL doesn't support sending messages to any offline user... which is my favorite feature. |
Good point, i forgot about that.
Maybe one day email and instant messenging will be one in the same. What's the difference, besides the high latency of SMTP and the way the messages are displayed?
Post by: Nailed on January 23, 2003, 12:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (jwdeff @ Jan 23 2003, 07:42 PM) | ||
Good point, i forgot about that. Maybe one day email and instant messenging will be one in the same. What's the difference, besides the high latency of SMTP and the way the messages are displayed? |
From a functional PoV, not a whole lot. But from a technical PoV, there are considerable differences. That does bring up a good question... is SMTP getting outdated?
Post by: BenJeremy on January 23, 2003, 12:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Nailed @ Jan 23 2003, 04:39 PM) | ||||
From a functional PoV, not a whole lot. But from a technical PoV, there are considerable differences. That does bring up a good question... is SMTP getting outdated? |
I dunno.... but I think ftp is outdated.
That's why a Dashboard Edition® of MXM will offer CRC checking Xbox-to-Xbox transfers.
(of course, ftp client and server will still be in there as well)
Post by: xMonoxide187x on January 23, 2003, 02:55:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| QUOTE (xMonoxide187x @ Jan 23 2003, 04:25 AM) Note: CaliSurfer is officially off the team as of 9:00PM Central time, January 22nd 2003. He left on bad terms, so I don't know if he wants any sort of revenge. Any information given by him from now on should be deemed void, until verified by the xbox team. Thank you, and I'm sorry for any confusion this may cause. For those who want to know, it was a disagreement with some information he posted earlier, but this should hopefully be resolved in the future. He made promises we didn't want to make public, until we had the know-how to make sure it will work. You are not "the xbox team". You are also not making a ground breaking new project. No one cares about the date and time in which CaliSurfer was removed from the project. You and "the xbox team" aren't going to be held accountable for CaliSurfer's "promises". This project is a good opportunity for you two kids to learn to program. But do it on your own time, do it yourself, and don't go begging people for praise because you decided you might do it. Suggestion to make the project more useful: make it small enough to fit in the bios. A lot of people have 512k+ bioses, that extra 256k is (probably) big enough for a very basic AIM client using TOC. |
It was a typo, I was very tired at the time, I meant the XIM team.
I never said this was groundbreaking.
It may have made a difference if he wanted to do bad to the team, but I'm glad hes still going to support the project.
We might.
I never begged for praise, I could care less if anyone used it.
If you want to do a BIOS that supports that kind of thing, which I don't think is even possible, then you go ahead and make that, and I'd be glad to give you a stripped down version of the XIM source.
Post by: eXentric on January 23, 2003, 08:31:00 PM
Is it possible to run a (pardon my French here) TSR on the XBOX? It is my understanding that the IGR in evoxdash is software-based (my understanding could be wrong). If so, could someone with the SDK figure out how to initialize the Live voice hardware and initialize a channel between two boxes?
Two problems however:
1. If there is no TSR support, this is futile.
2. The bandwidth required to play system link games is already intense. Adding voice may push it over the edge.
This may not work for XBConnect, but it could pave the way for at least a portion of a Live network clone.
Any thoughts?
Post by: xboxpartslover on January 26, 2003, 01:52:00 PM
Post by: Baner on December 23, 2004, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: The_Truth on December 23, 2004, 10:57:00 PM
and if you were really feeling froggy.. you could also add a download manager, that downloads files through a file split system
Post by: chilin_dude on December 24, 2004, 04:22:00 AM
QUOTE(Baner @ Dec 23 2004, 08:27 PM)
Can't this be done using Python script in XBMC?
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Post by: Carsten on December 24, 2004, 06:25:00 PM
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(via email [email protected] or IM via msn messenger )
Regards,
Carsten
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Post by: Bravo on March 11, 2003, 11:01:00 AM
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You don't "need" xbox live to chat, you need a headset running into the headset controler jack. you can communicat thought Voice games over Xbconnect, so there's no reson why you couldn't set up voice communication in Evox. But I think Xbconnect is working on a stand alone version for the xbox that would have voice communication.
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Post by: EriCCire on March 11, 2003, 12:18:00 PM
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make an Xbox web Browser!
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Post by: dazdastardly on March 11, 2003, 03:07:00 PM
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somebody mentioned tabs earlier to go to different aspects of this program. i.e E-mail, web. IM etc... if that was the case could u make it so anyone could make a new Plugin to use with it, sort of like a big xbox internet tool kit? (i.e if i wanted say an IRC scipt, then i'd be able to make one and release it that would fit comfortably as one of the tabs)
thats my thoughts, good luck
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Post by: AnimeCommander on March 11, 2003, 09:11:00 PM
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I like the idea. I'm just confussed on a few things; How will it connect? Will it need a PC internet connection? I don't want to have to have my PC near my Xbox all the time. So, connection is my big thing. Which makes the project even bigger, since you'll need to supply a connection setup to please me.
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Post by: HeLiuM on March 12, 2003, 06:30:00 PM
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get a router and run wires?
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Post by: AnimeCommander on March 12, 2003, 07:25:00 PM
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Then it wouldn't be standalone. That and I can't (and I'm sure not everyoone else can) afford to just run more wires and still have the damn PC running.
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Post by: xMonoxide187x on March 13, 2003, 04:01:00 PM
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You don't need your PC on for a router to work...
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Post by: JayDee on July 27, 2005, 02:50:00 AM
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XBMC is on sourceforge, but to compile it you need vs .net and the XDK. The sourec is 100% legal, but you need to understand that the compiled binaries are not.
There are tons of opensource im clients that they could use code from, port and by the nature of opensource, the GPL, post on sf.
The project seams dead, nothing since december untill now, but do not draw conclutions that have no subtance in reality when it comes to it being legal or not...
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Post by: VanDal PiR8 on July 27, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
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sorry for bumping this topic, but dam, id like to see this actually work. it kinda makes the xbox into a laptop, without all the complications of programming it urself. cant wait to here a word from the makers.
Post by: Carsten on December 24, 2004, 06:25:00 PM
(via email [email protected] or IM via msn messenger )Regards,
Carsten
Post by: ItchySword on December 30, 2004, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: Bravo on March 11, 2003, 11:01:00 AM
Post by: EriCCire on March 11, 2003, 12:18:00 PM
Post by: dazdastardly on March 11, 2003, 03:07:00 PM
thats my thoughts, good luck
Post by: AnimeCommander on March 11, 2003, 09:11:00 PM
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Post by: xMonoxide187x on March 13, 2003, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: VanDal PiR8 on July 27, 2005, 12:22:00 AM
Post by: JayDee on July 27, 2005, 02:50:00 AM
There are tons of opensource im clients that they could use code from, port and by the nature of opensource, the GPL, post on sf.
The project seams dead, nothing since december untill now, but do not draw conclutions that have no subtance in reality when it comes to it being legal or not...
Post by: VanDal PiR8 on July 27, 2005, 01:17:00 PM