Post by: italianiceag on April 25, 2006, 11:43:00 PM
basically what your really asking for here is the downsides to a softmod, since everyone knows the downside to a hard mod (not many besides $$ and installation)
downsides to a hardmod:
-costs $$
-you have to open your xbox and interact with the motherboard (see: more risk).
-cannot get onto xbl with some mods.
downsides to softmod:
-harder to upgrade HDD (not too difficult).
-i consider dual booting annoying.
-hot swapping is more aggravating than solderless install, or even some of the newer solder jobs.
i think that about sums it up??
EDIT: just wondering, is your username a reference to an array? lol
Post by: rocky5 on April 26, 2006, 01:59:00 AM
QUOTE(italianiceag @ Apr 26 2006, 05:50 AM) 
you've been here for like 3 years now, just read the forums, this isnt anything that deserves its own topic by anymeans.
basically what your really asking for here is the downsides to a softmod, since everyone knows the downside to a hard mod (not many besides $$ and installation)
downsides to a hardmod:
-costs $$
-you have to open your xbox and interact with the motherboard (see: more risk).
-cannot get onto xbl with some mods.
downsides to softmod:
-harder to upgrade HDD (not too difficult).
-i consider dual booting annoying.
-hot swapping is more aggravating than solderless install, or even some of the newer solder jobs.
i think that about sums it up??
EDIT: just wondering, is your username a reference to an array? lol
softmodding is easy to do just download Krayzie Ndure Installer and put the save on the xbox and thats it install it you cant go wrong with Krayzie Ndure Installer also the upsides to softmod's are
1. Can play xbox live
2. Upgrade HDD easy (xboxhdm_v1.9 need eeprom backup Krayzies installer will make one well evox)
3. Virtual drive (Play xiso's on your xbox)
4. Dual boot can be turnt off
5. Supports all xbox's
6. Works with all games (some chips dont)
downside to softmod there are well there are only 1 or 2
1. cant have custom intro change xbox logo on start up
2. Have to use xboxhdm_v1.9 to upgrade HDD
now personally i love the softmod chips nah.
and also if you gub your xbox then you will be fine krayzies installer can fix it all from the xbox.
Post by: krayzie on April 26, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
QUOTE(italianiceag @ Apr 26 2006, 07:50 AM)
downsides to softmod:
-i consider dual booting annoying.
-hot swapping is more aggravating than solderless install, or even some of the newer solder jobs.
i think that about sums it up??
-dualbooting is offcourse optional so how can that be a downside?
-hotswapping is also optional so no downside either
Now for the real downsides apart for the hd upgrade thing:
No changing of bootlogo
No booting of unlocked hd's
More difficult to restore when bootfiles are changed
Post by: italianiceag on April 26, 2006, 11:37:00 AM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Apr 26 2006, 05:38 PM)
-hotswapping is also optional so no downside either
It's not entirely optional. If you have no means to get the game save on your xbox, you have to hotswap. Not everyone has a friend that can get a modified game save on their memory card, and if you go the other routes (ex. megaxkey, action replay) those means cost money.
So, yes if your lucky enough to know someone with a modified save that can put it on their memory card, then yes, there is no downside. If however, your the only xbox hacker you know and dont have any of the means, then no there is a downside to softmodding - and that's hotswapping.
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dualbooting is offcourse optional so how can that be a downside?
Same with this story. Under certain circumstances you don't have to dual boot (ex. not caring about xbl), but under other circumstances it's required. So, again, it IS a downside in many circumstances (in my opinion, I just don't like it, I doubt many others care).
Calling something optional when its REQUIRED for certain features that people expect is certainly not "optional."
A firewall is "optional," but I bet everyone here is running one and would want one with all their computers.
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No changing of bootlogo
Well. I think we're really stretching for "downsides" aren't we?? lol
BTW - I've never performed a gamesave softmod, so I misrepresented any features, feel free to acknowledge them. And the reason I didn't do the gamesave mod, was because I had no means to put the saves onto my memory card
and I wasn't about to pay to do that one shot deal. (Especially when I already have a hardmod available if I didn't want to hotswap -- which I wanted to do just out of interest)
Post by: krayzie on April 26, 2006, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: italianiceag on April 26, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
QUOTE(krayzie @ Apr 26 2006, 07:00 PM)
They do NOT apply to ALL softmods. Listing downfalls are meant to apply to all of them. If we start listing downfalls for every option that is available or every circumstance we can come by we could make the list like ten pages long.
Who made the rules on what downfalls are? You?
Okay, how about this. In differentiating your softmod from kingroach's version, the additional downfall for yours is:
-having to know someone with a modified xbox and memory card, or having to pay for something like megaxkey to transfer your own modified game save over.
Conversely, for kingroach:
-having to hotswap.
And for the record, there is NO WAY you can call dual booting "optional" for the person that wants to play on live. Period. That's like saying an engine in a car is "optional," you can still go if you push it down a hill in neutral.
Don't be bias, and I'm not flaming with you either if it sounds like it, just having a friendly debate, I respect you, just don't understand why you're spinning things. Fact is, the "downsides" are dependent on WHICH method he uses, and you're trying to lump all the softmods together and note only the downsides that all of the major ones have; which isn't a fair description. Don't be so imperialistic about the meaning of a word.
Post by: rocky5 on April 26, 2006, 02:05:00 PM
so softmod is the better solution.
Post by: italianiceag on April 26, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
QUOTE(rocky5 @ Apr 26 2006, 09:12 PM)
The easyst way is to softmod it cost you more for the chip than 007 and a memcard chip £40 or so might be more 007 game and memcard £20 max.
so softmod is the better solution.
as opposed to the free hotswap.
Post by: DaddyJ on April 26, 2006, 02:40:00 PM
free and easier than hotswapping.....
the only real downside of softmodding in my opinion, is the locking of hard drives, and thats only because no one seems to backup there eeprom.
Post by: italianiceag on April 26, 2006, 03:00:00 PM
QUOTE(DaddyJ @ Apr 26 2006, 09:47 PM)
if you have a memory card, and dont have a means to copy the hack, you have to remember that the memory card is nothing more than a usb device, and can by hooked to the pc, to get the gamesave on.
free and easier than hotswapping.....
the only real downside of softmodding in my opinion, is the locking of hard drives, and thats only because no one seems to backup there eeprom.
and italianiceag, for being a previous memeber, you sure are a a$$... sure your old account didnt get banned....
DaddyJ i PMed you, I'm not starting a public flame fest.
and btw, its not as simple as magically plugging your memory card into your pc usb drive man and YOU know that.
everyone needs to get off their soapbox.
Post by: cerealkillajme on April 26, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
QUOTE(italianiceag @ Apr 26 2006, 08:54 PM)
And for the record, there is NO WAY you can call dual booting "optional" for the person that wants to play on live. Period. That's like saying an engine in a car is "optional," you can still go if you push it down a hill in neutral.
You must not know much about softmods considering you can get on Live by coldbooting only. You don't need to have a dualboot for Live.
Post by: italianiceag on April 26, 2006, 03:15:00 PM
QUOTE(cerealkillajme @ Apr 26 2006, 10:19 PM)
You must not know much about softmods considering you can get on Live by coldbooting only. You don't need to have a dualboot for Live.
well, i asked people to correct me if I'm wrong and you did, thank you sir.
and, i'm not new to softmods, I simply have more than 1 xbox and dont bother playing on xbl with my softmodded box.
Post by: DaddyJ on April 26, 2006, 03:25:00 PM
Post by: italianiceag on April 26, 2006, 03:38:00 PM
QUOTE(DaddyJ @ Apr 26 2006, 10:32 PM)
remind me to not reply to these types of threads anymore
we can both agree on that for sure.
(thanks for bein cool in our PMs man)
Post by: DaddyJ on April 26, 2006, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: italianiceag on April 26, 2006, 09:05:00 PM
QUOTE(UchihaZephyr @ Apr 27 2006, 03:24 AM)
Most of these downsides are installation issues. But what are the feature downsides?
I already have Krayzie's ndure 1.1 installed with a 200 gig hard drive, dual boot for Live, and XBMC as the dash. What can a hardmod do that my box can't?
Uh, just small things, like integrated FTP, the boot screen nonsense, and other crap.
Feature set wise, there's not much distinction between the two at this point.
Post by: krayzie on April 26, 2006, 10:43:00 PM
Post by: joseph420 on April 26, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: torne on April 27, 2006, 04:37:00 AM
Every game I own works perfectly from the HDD under the softmod, and I've not seen anyone reporting problems with specific games before.
Post by: italianiceag on April 27, 2006, 08:24:00 AM
Post by: krayzie on April 27, 2006, 08:38:00 AM