Post by: DaddyJ on January 05, 2005, 06:59:00 AM
QUOTE(joshm78)
1. I JUST/ONLY want to play xbox/backup games and DVD's without the dongle. Will both a modchip and softmod allow me to do this?
Yep
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2. Do both modchip and softmod allow me to "cold boot" backup games?
Modchip will, softmod wont, also depends on the xbox dvd reader.
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3. If I have an xbox live game, will the softmod get me banned? Can you turn the softmod off?
it will if its enabled while you're on live.
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4. Anyone use the spiderchip? Id like to know if a modchip would allow me to play backup games without adding a dashboard like evox or something. Can you just boot them without having a dash installed?
Never used a spiderchip
Post by: jsrlepage on January 05, 2005, 07:55:00 AM
Post by: avatar1 on January 05, 2005, 08:11:00 AM
QUOTE(BlackWar @ Jan 5 2005, 04:34 PM)
btw, daddyj, you can cold boot a backup with a softmod....at least it will appear so. if you put a backup in the dvd drive, shut down the xbox, and reboot, the xbox will try to read the disk but realize its not a pressed disk (hence the long pause during bootup, then it will startup the dash, and if the dash is set to automaticly launch the game, it will kick right into the game, not even having to see the dash in some cases. that is what it did for me at least when I tried cold booting the slayers disk for the fun of it (I was using the evox dash at the time when I did this).
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: BlackWar on January 05, 2005, 08:23:00 AM
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it could be. mine currently is using the edu2 (ntsc 1.6 xbox), and I only tried it once, so maybe it can cold boot a backup to begin with.
but, that kinda confuses me a bit, how can it cold boot a backup disk? doesnt the xbox look at the dvd drive first, then to the HD? If this is true, does this mean the the xbox will look at the dvd, see that its not a pressed disk, load the HD files (hacked fonts), and then look back into the dvd, then to the dash?!?!?
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: avatar1 on January 05, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
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Post by: BlackWar on January 05, 2005, 08:23:00 AM
but, that kinda confuses me a bit, how can it cold boot a backup disk? doesnt the xbox look at the dvd drive first, then to the HD? If this is true, does this mean the the xbox will look at the dvd, see that its not a pressed disk, load the HD files (hacked fonts), and then look back into the dvd, then to the dash?!?!?
Post by: avatar1 on January 05, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
QUOTE(BlackWar @ Jan 5 2005, 04:54 PM)
but, that kinda confuses me a bit, how can it cold boot a backup disk? doesnt the xbox look at the dvd drive first, then to the HD? If this is true, does this mean the the xbox will look at the dvd, see that its not a pressed disk, load the HD files (hacked fonts), and then look back into the dvd, then to the dash?!?!?
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: joshm78 on January 05, 2005, 08:44:00 AM
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So two more that have popped up since this was posted:
1. how do you turn off a softmod?
2. Do you need to do this EACH TIME you want to play a game? Are all changes lost when you reboot?
PLUS...do the DVD's need to be dual layer when backing up or will DVD5's work?
Ive got a new XBOX, 5838 kernel and 5960(i think? maybe 5969?) dash, and I want to give it a try.
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: PedrosPad on January 05, 2005, 08:45:00 AM
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Depends on the boot order in your BFM BIOS, or your NKPatcher configuration, but basicially, yes, that is exactly what and how it happens.
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: PedrosPad on January 05, 2005, 08:59:00 AM
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If you boot off an original XBOX Game, the softmod is not active. This used to be enough to allow play on XBOX!Live, however there are now doubts about this. If the XBL marriage theory is correct (and there are no disk scans), then this may still be the case.
GameSavs exist (ltools) to allow softmods to be installed, and completely uninstalled at will.
See first answer.
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: total_ass on January 05, 2005, 09:05:00 AM
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yes the only one that comes to mind is rallisport challenge 2. all others can be shrunk down to fit, or in metal gear solid 2's case, spread across two disks.
backups appear to cold boot, technically they do not, but there is no noticeable difference as the newer bios loaders, and nkpatcher i believe, are very fast in booting. a dash is not truly needed to boot games, but its good to have one anyway. if you want you can setup the shadow drive and just use the ms dash as your main dashboard.
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: PedrosPad on January 05, 2005, 11:43:00 AM
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They do
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: total_ass on January 05, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
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well when scanning what is loaded in the memory, they detect the bios on the modchips. so they are both technically the same thing you are talking about.
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: DaddyJ on January 05, 2005, 03:35:00 PM
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btw, daddyj, you can cold boot a backup with a softmod....
I shoulda been a little more clear, I was speaking in a direct boot manner.
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Title: Modchip Vs Exploit?
Post by: BlackWar on January 05, 2005, 04:49:00 PM
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Post by: joshm78 on January 05, 2005, 08:44:00 AM
1. how do you turn off a softmod?
2. Do you need to do this EACH TIME you want to play a game? Are all changes lost when you reboot?
PLUS...do the DVD's need to be dual layer when backing up or will DVD5's work?
Ive got a new XBOX, 5838 kernel and 5960(i think? maybe 5969?) dash, and I want to give it a try.
Post by: PedrosPad on January 05, 2005, 08:45:00 AM
QUOTE(BlackWar @ Jan 5 2005, 04:54 PM)
but, that kinda confuses me a bit, how can it cold boot a backup disk? doesnt the xbox look at the dvd drive first, then to the HD? If this is true, does this mean the the xbox will look at the dvd, see that its not a pressed disk, load the HD files (hacked fonts), and then look back into the dvd, then to the dash?!?!?
Depends on the boot order in your BFM BIOS, or your NKPatcher configuration, but basicially, yes, that is exactly what and how it happens.
Post by: PedrosPad on January 05, 2005, 08:59:00 AM
QUOTE(joshm78 @ Jan 5 2005, 05:15 PM)
So two more that have popped up since this was posted:
1. how do you turn off a softmod?
1. how do you turn off a softmod?
If you boot off an original XBOX Game, the softmod is not active. This used to be enough to allow play on XBOX!Live, however there are now doubts about this. If the XBL marriage theory is correct (and there are no disk scans), then this may still be the case.
GameSavs exist (ltools) to allow softmods to be installed, and completely uninstalled at will.
QUOTE(joshm78 @ Jan 5 2005, 05:15 PM)
2. Do you need to do this EACH TIME you want to play a game? Are all changes lost when you reboot?
See first answer.
QUOTE(joshm78 @ Jan 5 2005, 05:15 PM)
PLUS...do the DVD's need to be dual layer when backing up or will DVD5's work?
Bar a handfull of games, most backups of XBOX games fit on single layer DVD5s. For some of those that don't, patches exist to remove unimportant long video cut-scenes, etc. to make them fit. See here. Very few (2?) can't be made to fit.
Post by: total_ass on January 05, 2005, 09:05:00 AM
backups appear to cold boot, technically they do not, but there is no noticeable difference as the newer bios loaders, and nkpatcher i believe, are very fast in booting. a dash is not truly needed to boot games, but its good to have one anyway. if you want you can setup the shadow drive and just use the ms dash as your main dashboard.
Post by: PedrosPad on January 05, 2005, 11:43:00 AM
QUOTE(BlackWar @ Jan 5 2005, 06:11 PM)
I know that they do a hardware scan for modchips, but I cant recall if they do a scan of what is loaded into memory.
They do
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Post by: total_ass on January 05, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: DaddyJ on January 05, 2005, 03:35:00 PM
QUOTE(BlackWar)
btw, daddyj, you can cold boot a backup with a softmod....
I shoulda been a little more clear, I was speaking in a direct boot manner.
Post by: BlackWar on January 05, 2005, 04:49:00 PM