Post by: jimjom on December 09, 2004, 01:51:00 AM
I know (spam alart!11) this is garbage.
But I'm despressed and needed a laugh.
Do we really need all these installers? I'm still using Ldot's 1.7.5 happily.
The noobs are gonna be even more confused now.
STOP THE MADNESS!!
Post by: total_ass on December 09, 2004, 01:57:00 AM
but to be honest it is gonna just cause more confusion amongst people, as well as new problems.
ltools was all that was needed, look now we have
an abandoned (someone correct me) ltools
ricetools
waffletools
SIN
Spaceboys Installer.
I think we gotta stop now!
Post by: big ben bullet on December 09, 2004, 02:23:00 AM
in think it's a good thing people are trying to make new installers, however... as i already said in the waffletools post... documentation!
document every single step; the location of every script file; post the sources (if no legal issues) and a folder structure...
combine efforts! don't reinvent the wheel, try to improve existing stuff, or create a new one from scratch and keep working on/improving that one with a few people...
maybe we should create a new package development thread
Post by: jimjom on December 09, 2004, 02:30:00 AM
Post by: jcupp114 on December 09, 2004, 08:03:00 AM
Dont be confused. READ! first of all things READ!
Now, if your not into reading, is there anyone that wants to put together a big memory card installer for the scene. One which is packed full of goodies and goodness. Proven to all UDE, UDE2, and UXE... with dashboards, apps, skins, preconfigured, all this which can be selected by the user. Then be done!
Angerwound has helped guide me a bit to add to a ude package which comes in at 11megs and counting as I learn more coding. Thank you angerwound.
Any takers.
Take care and again if your new to the site, READ, READ, READ.
Jcupp114
Post by: jcupp114 on December 09, 2004, 10:09:00 AM
Good stuff. I will try to go with the 64meg installer and see how far I get. PM you if needed. Awesome idea.
AD stick usb flash drives from pingtec work great! Cheap too.
jcupp114
Post by: jimjom on December 09, 2004, 10:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (wafflezone @ Dec 9 2004, 04:52 PM) |
| LTools, doesn't install the package I like, and also doesn't have any quick scripts to restore backups of modded and unmodded states. I also don't like how critical files are saved on the E drive. I've been making it for a long time, and I thought it might be useful to others. It's especially handy for those who want to play on xbox live. I'm sorry for spending my time helping others? |
No, no no.
I appreciate the work that goes into ANY package... as long as it gives the due credit and works properly without fucking my box up (like uninstalling M$dash).
If it's a good package, props. Keep it up. I am just overwhelmed by the amount of new packages coming out. There must be order to the chaos!
Post by: jimjom on December 09, 2004, 11:12:00 AM
BUT I WOULD REALLY like to see an installer with a choice of several dashes.
especially unleashx....the choice of evox or unleashx would be so sexy.
Post by: jcupp114 on December 09, 2004, 11:21:00 AM
I would love to see your version up on the scene. boot cd would be awesome for the softmod community.
Need to see what the mods think of it....
Take care
Jcupp114
Post by: bartender_dmb on December 09, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
Definitely sounds like a good idea for people such as me that are lazy when it comes to installing softmods. Everytime i come home for the holidays seems like my cousin have someone that wants there box modded. So an automated system like slayerz would help a lot.
Post by: total_ass on December 09, 2004, 01:36:00 PM
what if nkpatcher was built into the gamesave exploit. this would disable R-O-E and allow disc swapping.
Post by: DaddyJ on December 09, 2004, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: total_ass on December 09, 2004, 01:44:00 PM
for example if you build a gamesave exploit with a dash, with nkpatcher set up as a menu option. then simply load nkpatcher, this patches the kernel in memory then insert cd.
boot process
gamesave exploit -------> dash -----> select disc swap option (really nkpatcher booter) ------> nkpatcher loads -----> loads another xbe included with "insert disc screen" ----> insert cd -----> loads xbe off disc
and bam!
this is just a guess though but you get the idea
Post by: rossmac on December 09, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: total_ass on December 09, 2004, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: chimpanzee on December 09, 2004, 02:32:00 PM
And for loading retail games from DVD, the retail BIOS would immediately set ROE on based on the XBE flag and after this point, no one can disable it.
Post by: FBF on December 09, 2004, 02:44:00 PM
We do only need Itools. If Itools1.8 was finished and released it would be a very comprehensive installer.
It seems that most of Itools1.8 is finished already as there are working build for Mechassualt and modified builds for the other two games. It seems it just needs to be realeased...
Post by: jimjom on December 09, 2004, 03:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (FBF @ Dec 9 2004, 11:47 PM) |
| Back on topic: We do only need Itools. If Itools1.8 was finished and released it would be a very comprehensive installer. It seems that most of Itools1.8 is finished already as there are working build for Mechassualt and modified builds for the other two games. It seems it just needs to be realeased... |
Can't wait for that.
DIE JIMTOOLS DIE!!
Post by: Spaceboy727 on December 09, 2004, 03:33:00 PM
you also have to ask if all of the people listed (excluding the SIN installer, its removed from xbins now) make their own installers, and everyone ACTUALLY finishes them, theres gonna be one thats gonna be better, and that one is gonna end up being the one for newbs, and if theres two or more actually good installers...that opens up options for newbs and anyone else who wants to use an installer...
Post by: Spaceboy727 on December 09, 2004, 03:35:00 PM
Post by: BlackWar on December 09, 2004, 04:24:00 PM
Post by: Spaceboy727 on December 09, 2004, 04:30:00 PM
Post by: BlackWar on December 09, 2004, 04:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spaceboy727 @ Dec 9 2004, 06:33 PM) |
| yeah but do you know how many newbs put slayers in their softmodded xbox's and try to format the harddrive or some such nonsense? an iso w/ up-to-date installs designed for a softmod would be optimal |
thank you Spaceboy727, that is what I was tring to get accross
Post by: Spaceboy727 on December 09, 2004, 04:34:00 PM
Post by: Spaceboy727 on December 09, 2004, 04:35:00 PM
Post by: DaddyJ on December 09, 2004, 04:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spaceboy727 @ Dec 9 2004, 07:37 PM) |
| but the thing is about the 1.6's blackwar, .... linux cant run on the video chips |
Is this but a driver, or some other issue with the chip?
Post by: DaddyJ on December 09, 2004, 05:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (BlackWar @ Dec 9 2004, 08:22 PM) |
| unless the file was included pre-patched........ |
Thats a no-no
Post by: BlackWar on December 09, 2004, 05:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (DaddyJ @ Dec 9 2004, 06:51 PM) |
| Is this but a driver, or some other issue with the chip? |
well, here is the thing, most think that it cant run on 1.6, but it can, its just that the screen is corupted. it still exicutes and runs, you just cant see what the hell its doing.
Post by: BlackWar on December 09, 2004, 05:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spaceboy727 @ Dec 9 2004, 06:37 PM) |
| but the thing is about the 1.6's blackwar, any good installer for uxe or ude is gonna have to use linux for the patching of the xbe, unless of course the almighty creators would be nice enough to make ppf patches for the xbox dash ...lol... and thats why it happens, linux cant run on the video chips |
isnt there a way to create your own? like what a person used to do with the psx isos?
Post by: Spaceboy727 on December 09, 2004, 06:15:00 PM
also about linux uhhh...i know that it actually runs on the1.6, i guess i should have worded that better
Post by: BlackWar on December 09, 2004, 07:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (Spaceboy727 @ Dec 9 2004, 08:18 PM) |
| well idont know if theres a way to get the ppf out of the exe's they have already, im sure there is, anyone know?? also about linux uhhh...i know that it actually runs on the1.6, i guess i should have worded that better |
lol, you and me spaceboy.... I think I said earlier in this post that it didnt run also....
sry bt tht
Post by: BlackWar on December 10, 2004, 07:10:00 AM
Post by: Spaceboy727 on December 10, 2004, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: Spaceboy727 on December 10, 2004, 08:00:00 AM
(if you do i would love it if i could have a copy..heehee)
also the program for the ppfs could be run at the end of the install after everything else is done (the scripting can execute a program) and the way the app works is it has a config file sort of like a batch file that tells it what to do when its ran so that part is automated already....i think it would work pretty well
Post by: BlackWar on December 10, 2004, 08:25:00 AM
as for the bert-ernie fonts, airnt those no big deal? I mean, those are not really copyrighted by ms, so to have those in the iso should not be an issue (yes, the fonts are hacked versons of the fonts, but then again, some memcard installers contain them, not?). and if it is a huge deal, then I will attempt to make a ppf file that will patch the origional fonts, thus preventing any legal issues.
also, the reason why I am thinking about including the dash files in the iso is just in case a noob either forgets to ftp the folder (or zip file), or just deletes it, this way they still have a way to get their xbox back up and running. the files that are in question are the msdash (and supporting folder with files), xodash folder (and contents) and the fonts folder (all would be unmodified).
and if I still am unable to include the origional dash files (I still dont see the harm because they would be completely untouched, 100% official MS files, and thier sole purpose on the CD is for recovering purposes only. This can be highly debated, because you are able to make a backup of your HD using legal cloning tools (like norton ghost), and your HD contains copyrighted contents from MS, and there are no re-percussions of using that, are there?.....well, if you gave this iso away, then yes, its a form of piracy, but these files are what every xbox contains, just a diff version is all, so its not really piracy then is it? because they already paid for the xbox, and the files where already there, and they would have obtained the newer verson anyway via live update),
anyway, if the dash files cannot be included, then I will add a disclaimer to evox that if they do not ftp the files, or if they delete them to make room, then I am not liable for their own stupidy, and if they disagree to the disclaimer, then it will just shut down the xbox, not modifing a damn thing (you may think this sounds impossable to do, but you got to think outside of the xbox.....er, box).