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Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 06, 2003, 08:45:00 AM
Hello everybody... I have the original bert and ernie files on my xbox... sadly I left my xbox unplugged over the night! When I I got home the next from school I had turned on my xbox to see the evil clock loop!!! I have been reading on alot of things... I leave my xbox on every night to hope to find evox running when I wake up.. Sadly... No luck... Anyways I need to know if I am leaving my xbox on for nothing because it is dead worthless anmd I will never be able to use it again or is there still hope that evox will run? Dont forget im using the original bert and ernie...
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 06, 2003, 09:22:00 AM
oh yea forgot to say if ya can chat with me my msn messenger name is [email protected]  smile.gif
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 06, 2003, 09:47:00 AM
Woah there... I dont think any of my friends would appreciate me taking out there xbox's harddrive... I dont even wanna take a chance in destroying there xbox... So I was just wondering if eventually my xbox will load to evox even tho I have just the original file of bert and ernie?
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 06, 2003, 10:29:00 AM
I have tried pretty much all of these thing... Right now I'm just leaving my xbox for a long time hoping that I will see my evox screen running someday... And if you got it to load and you have the original bert and ernie files, some people say that they use a music cd, well I would like to know if this music cd is burnt/non-burnt and what cd exactly? I'm really worried about my poor xbox... I got this xbox from the very first day it came out... 11-15-01... I dont know if it was in 01 that it came out but... Well this isn't the point! The point is that I looking for idea's to make it load up to evox again!
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: Hajaz on September 06, 2003, 12:22:00 PM
yer, either that or instal a modchip so you can boot an evoxcd
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 06, 2003, 06:22:00 PM
NOOOOOOOO I didn't want it to come to this.... I never wanted to open my xbox! Just the thought of it is horrifying!!! But I guess its my only choice....I hope this is pretty safe and easy to do.... Some pls respond telling me that this is easy and safe.... I dont want to go and buy another xbox.... No soldering required right?!?! AHHHHHHHH.. I hope I can do this... sad.gif
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 06, 2003, 07:08:00 PM
I need some information on how to do this hot swapping cause I really want my xbox to work so some info on this would be the best!!!
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 06, 2003, 08:43:00 PM
ok... this is getting a little out of hand... now I have to mess with my PC!!! ok I think im just going to buy a new xbox (sad.. isn't it...) unless some1 has actually got there xbox to boot after using the ORIGINAL bert and ernie files....
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: peteo on September 07, 2003, 08:07:00 AM
LEave your Xbox on Phoneix/evox will load after an hour or two even with the Original font hack.
After that you must ftp in to your xbox and bring back the old font files so that the expolit does not load.  then when you boot up the Xbox dash will load and you can set  the time.
Of course you will have to use the 007/ or mech hacks to readload the Font hacks.
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: seanmartina on September 07, 2003, 10:17:00 AM
connect it to a home network whith clocksync software running on your pc, this will give the xbox the time and it will boot into evox, the xbox looks for the time on the network, when its booting and if it cant find it on the network it will loop, if you dont have a network connect to your pc using a croosover cable, and the pc connected to the internet, this is important the pc must be connected to the net so the clocksync software can get the correct time, on both methods
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 07, 2003, 06:39:00 PM
Woah! Does this really work? Im downloading it right now... Keep in mind that Im using the original bert and ernie.. Without a mod-chip...
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 07, 2003, 07:21:00 PM
I downloaded this clock sync.. Now what? Is there some special thing im supposed to do?
Im kinda confused!! AHHH.. Have u been stuck in the clock loop with the original bert and ernie? Maybe if u could PM me in msn messenger... my name is [email protected]
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: seanmartina on September 08, 2003, 06:51:00 PM
1 connect the xbox to your pc via a router or using a crossover cable,

2 make sure there is a connection to the internet on your network if you are using a router, or crossover cable

3. so your xbox is connected to the pc via a router or crossover cable and your computer is connected to the net, if your router supports it change the settings to get the correct time from network.

turn on xbox it will reboot after 2-3 times into evox, i have the clock loop at least 4 times a week and this works 100% of the time for me, including with the original fonts.

if you connect the xbox to a switch box on its on via a network cable this sometimes works, my friend uses that method

Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: Mordenkainen on September 08, 2003, 08:07:00 PM
seanmartina,
Well then I would say you have been VERY lucky!

gordita37,
This will not fix the clock loop. Just leave it, usually it will come out of the loop, but it may take days.

The clock loop kicks in BEFORE any software, other than the MSDash, loads. Because of this, even Evox's ability to sync to a time server won't solve the issue, as the loop occurs BEFORE Evox loads.

If you are dead set against doing what is known to work (the hotswap and removal of the font exploit) your only hope is to let it loop until it comes out.

If you didn't want to mess with your PC or open the XBox, you really should have gone with the audio exploit. Sure the fonts are more convienent, but the audio exploit is the only "safe" way other than a mod chip. I no longer use the font exploit, the clock loop issue is to easy to run up against.

Things to try:
1. Boot with a VERY scratched up audio CD in.
2. Plug and unplug the network cable while booting.
3. Play with the eject button while booting.
4. Combinations of the above.

Unfortunatly my experiance has been that these things will NOT work if you are using the original font exploit, as it doesn't even try to recover from the clock loop.

I would just buck up and do the hotswap... This way you can fix the problem, make a backup, and update to the latest bigfonts, or switch to the audio hack.

Oh and even if your friend let you "borrow" his HD, your XBox would refuse to boot with it. The HD's are unique to the XBox.

Morden.
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: seanmartina on September 09, 2003, 05:48:00 AM
well i dont think ive been lucky, i use that method all of the time, it loops and loops but once connected to the network it boots straighht into evox with the correct date and time, the exact time as on the computer, i use this all of the time as i usually switch of my xbox overnight as its not a problem to get out of the loop, i use a unex router connected via broadband, works 100% of the time, i think a lot of people have had success using this method, the xbox does check for the time via the lan, if it is not set, then just boots as normaly.

now out of about the 50 times i was in the loop this does it every time even at the start using the original fonts
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: Mordenkainen on September 09, 2003, 06:30:00 AM
The BIOS does not check the net for a time.

Evox, does...

But it is known that having a network cable plugged in sometimes pulls you out of the loop.

If you understand how NTP (Network Time Protocol) works you would see why. NTP doesn't use broadcasts, so the question is, how does the BIOS, or the MSDash (whatever you think is setting the time) know what IP to get the time from? It doesn't. But I am assuming that you have configured the IP of the machine running the NTP server in your Evox.ini. So what happens is:

1. Box loops.
2. It finally makes it into Evox.
3. Evox sets the time.

This gives the appearnce that the time got set and pulled it out of the loop. In reality, the net line being plugged in probably slowed the watchdog enough to get you up into Evox, then Evox set the time.

I looked into this quite a bit, and finaly decided to go with the audio exploit, but I am still trying to keep up with the internals of the font exploit, and with the way they work this can't do it alone.

Morden.
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: seanmartina on September 09, 2003, 10:01:00 AM
its a funny thing to try and understand, but if i let it loop it would loop for ever for days infact, but ive tested this, i let it loop and loop no joy, but the moment i plug in the network it works, straight away, now if i connected to the network without the broadband internet connection it will continue to loop but once this has been connected evox boots straight away, its strange i know but it works 100% of the time for me.

So in my understanding when the xbox boots it checks for the time on the xbox if it cant find it it tries the network if not present it asks for a users input, this is where the loop happens because of the fonts have taken over the operations of the dashboard to launch the evox dashboard, now its very strange that the moment its connected to the network it boots flawlesly but if it did not have the connection it would boot forever, its worth more investigation, because i have a solution that works for me so it should work for others.
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: gordita37 on September 09, 2003, 10:56:00 AM
smile.gif oh yea 1 more thing... since i already have a crossover cable then why would I need to buy a cat6 network cable? oh well... i'll buy the darn thing anyways... hopefully this thing can still get the time if im on dialup   unsure.gif
Title: Clock Loop Original Bert And Ernie!
Post by: seanmartina on September 15, 2003, 02:50:00 PM
im willing to do some test for this, just tell me what you want me to do, because i would love to get to the bottom of this, we have all valid points but i do suspect its something to do with evox and not ms dash, as i did some tests of my own, i changed to the audio exploit, just to check if the xbox asked for the time when left off for a number of hours, so i connected to network and internet connection , and switched on, but the msdash asked for the time, so it did not get the time from the network.