Post by: farbird on May 13, 2004, 12:07:00 AM
recently I have recopied the files from my PC to my xbox..
question : Using XBLive, will M$ be able to tell the files had changed by checking the timestamp/datestamp?
esp : MSDASH xodash etc etc??
Post by: kornkob69 on July 18, 2003, 09:50:00 AM
Post by: Rubadubcubb on July 18, 2003, 09:51:00 AM
Post by: harlekin on July 18, 2003, 09:59:00 AM
instead of tweaking the default bios, get to load each 3rd party bios you want to...
impressive.
Post by: kornkob69 on July 18, 2003, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: Quintass on July 18, 2003, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: swissdude99 on July 18, 2003, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: harlekin on July 18, 2003, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: fightclub on July 18, 2003, 10:08:00 AM
Post by: splash911 on July 18, 2003, 10:14:00 AM
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Post by: harlekin on July 18, 2003, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 10:19:00 AM
Boot the 4034.bin bios and use the complex 1.1 dash on any xbox ??
Able to read xbox games here i come!
Although now I need to find out what the hash is for the 4034 kernel
Wooger
This post has been edited by Wooger: Jul 18 2003, 05:23 PM
Post by: Rubadubcubb on July 18, 2003, 10:23:00 AM
Post by: swissdude99 on July 18, 2003, 09:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (kornkob69 @ Jul 18 2003, 06:14 PM) |
| anoyne get a hold of this and try it out yet? kinda wondering where to get it myself... hmm |
you can download it right from here.
they did not use the xdk 100% legal
http://dwl.xbox-scene.net/~xbox/xbox-scene/tools/bios/PhoenixBiosLoader.rar
Post by: harlekin on July 18, 2003, 10:28:00 AM
loading the a ms bios, to manipulate it?
what about loading the x2 4977 bios, (this phoenix loader supports this allready)?
this bios is a well known modchip bios, which enables you to load unsigned code, and evox, without even using a loader application.
Post by: (>Stormy<) on July 18, 2003, 10:01:00 AM
Here is the http://www.maxconsole.com/content_dwnl/180703192527Phoenix_Project.nfo
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 10:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (harlekin @ Jul 18 2003, 06:52 PM) |
| ? what the? loading the a ms bios, to manipulate it? what about loading the x2 4977 bios, (this phoenix loader supports this allready)? this bios is a well known modchip bios, which enables you to load unsigned code, and evox, without even using a loader application. |
You know.. thats a GREAT Idea... what the hell was I thinking...
Wooger
Post by: kahn2k on July 18, 2003, 10:02:00 AM
| QUOTE (Wooger @ Jul 18 2003, 06:43 PM) |
| If im reading this right ... this would be shweet... Boot the 4034.bin bios and use the complex 1.1 dash on any xbox ?? Able to read xbox games here i come! Although now I need to find out what the hash is for the 4034 kernel Wooger |
Why load 4034 retail bios when you can load a mod chip bios?
)
Post by: Dunny on July 18, 2003, 10:02:00 AM
| QUOTE |
You will need to provide your own bios and RC4 key as those are illegal to distribute without permission from MS. Currently working bioses: X2 4977 Boot From Media version (uses Debug RC4 key) Step 1 - Install files Install the included default.xbe, phoenix.raw, and boot.cfg file into the directory of your choice on your xbox, using any method you prefer (007 hack, dash hack, evox). Also install the bios you wish to load (only 1 works for now) into the same directory, and name it xboxrom.bin. Don't forget to sign the default.xbe for the boot method you are using. Step 2 - Edit boot.cfg Edit the RC4Key entry to be the appropriate RC4 key for the bios you are loading. If you specify the key to be all 0x00's, it will assume the 2BL is decrypted already in the rom you are providing. Also note that if you really want to rename your bios file, you can provide the name here with the Romfile parameter. Step 3 - Launch the application. Depending on your preference you may be launching the application via the dash hack, or the 007 hack, or the audio hack, or from any 3rd party dashboard. Just go ahead and launch our app! You will see our intro being rendered (don't worry, it will only display the full intro the first time you run it), and then you will find yourself in whatever dash the bios normally will launch. Note that if you are launching the application automatically from the dash hack, you will need to be careful as you could find yourself in an infinite loop if you are loading a bios which tries to boot the MS dashboard. The X2 4977 BFM bios looks for evoxdash.xbe, so as long as you have another dashboard named evoxdash.xbe, it will launch that one first. |
Post by: fatflock222 on July 18, 2003, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: jeks on July 18, 2003, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: DBZRacer on July 18, 2003, 10:05:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| ========= Usage ========= You will need to provide your own bios and RC4 key as those are illegal to distribute without permission from MS. Currently working bioses: X2 4977 Boot From Media version (uses Debug RC4 key) Step 1 - Install files Install the included default.xbe, phoenix.raw, and boot.cfg file into the directory of your choice on your xbox, using any method you prefer (007 hack, dash hack, evox). Also install the bios you wish to load (only 1 works for now) into the same directory, and name it xboxrom.bin. Don't forget to sign the default.xbe for the boot method you are using. Step 2 - Edit boot.cfg Edit the RC4Key entry to be the appropriate RC4 key for the bios you are loading. If you specify the key to be all 0x00's, it will assume the 2BL is decrypted already in the rom you are providing. Also note that if you really want to rename your bios file, you can provide the name here with the Romfile parameter. Step 3 - Launch the application. Depending on your preference you may be launching the application via the dash hack, or the 007 hack, or the audio hack, or from any 3rd party dashboard. Just go ahead and launch our app! You will see our intro being rendered (don't worry, it will only display the full intro the first time you run it), and then you will find yourself in whatever dash the bios normally will launch. Note that if you are launching the application automatically from the dash hack, you will need to be careful as you could find yourself in an infinite loop if you are loading a bios which tries to boot the MS dashboard. The X2 4977 BFM bios looks for evoxdash.xbe, so as long as you have another dashboard named evoxdash.xbe, it will launch that one first. |
Now let the How-To posts begin!
Post by: spIdeZ on July 18, 2003, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 09:59:00 AM
4977 is a "retail" BIOS (hacked, but hacked RETAIL) with NO RC4 - but the NFO claims it's a Debug BIOS with a Debug RC4.
What gives here?
The NFO should be clearer... from what I GATHER, they seem to abuse the term "debug BIOS" to mean any hacked BIOS when referring to what they can load. The use of the phrase "retail BIOS" may relate to unhacked BIOSes (maybe so some modders can use XBL without a switch to disable a mod chip?)
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 10:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (jeks @ Jul 18 2003, 06:57 PM) |
| anyway you CANT load retail bioses .. if I read the nfo correctly |
yes you can fewl.....
Its just saying be careful to not rename things or edit whatever files the xbox dashboard would need to boot.
Wooger
Post by: fatflock222 on July 18, 2003, 09:59:00 AM
Post by: swissdude99 on July 18, 2003, 10:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (harlekin @ Jul 18 2003, 06:52 PM) |
| ? what the? loading the a ms bios, to manipulate it? |
it´s no bios included, just the loader
Post by: DBZRacer on July 18, 2003, 10:02:00 AM
Post by: jeks on July 18, 2003, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: Rubadubcubb on July 18, 2003, 10:06:00 AM
Post by: Artifex on July 18, 2003, 10:06:00 AM
the BFM is key.
and yes, this is a debug bios.
and yes, it has all the fun patches you could ask for.
Support for other bioses coming soon.
Rc4 key? you're on your own.
--Artifex
Post by: Rubadubcubb on July 18, 2003, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: Lord Alderon on July 18, 2003, 10:18:00 AM
But I can't figure out WHAT the RC4 key is!
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 10:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 18 2003, 06:59 PM) |
| The NFO makes little sense though... 4977 is a "retail" BIOS (hacked, but hacked RETAIL) with NO RC4 - but the NFO claims it's a Debug BIOS with a Debug RC4. What gives here? The NFO should be clearer... from what I GATHER, they seem to abuse the term "debug BIOS" to mean any hacked BIOS when referring to what they can load. The use of the phrase "retail BIOS" may relate to unhacked BIOSes (maybe so some modders can use XBL without a switch to disable a mod chip?) |
the X2 4977 bios is based on a debug bios. The X2 4977 boot from media bios has been slightly patched and the 2bl is encrypted with the Debug RC4 key.
Stop distributing misinformation
Post by: Troed on July 18, 2003, 10:15:00 AM
*) It says it requires the bios to load to be signed with the debug key (fully understandable, although easily changed)
*) HOWEVER - it also says an RC4 key consisting of zeroes will work for bioses that aren't encrypted (which includes the bog standard XII bioses)
All in all I'm quite a bit impressed though, nice work.
Post by: jeks on July 18, 2003, 10:17:00 AM
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 10:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (Troed @ Jul 18 2003, 07:15 PM) |
| The only thing not clear in the nfo is: *) It says it requires the bios to load to be signed with the debug key (fully understandable, although easily changed) *) HOWEVER - it also says an RC4 key consisting of zeroes will work for bioses that aren't encrypted (which includes the bog standard XII bioses) All in all I'm quite a bit impressed though, nice work. |
It does say however that only the X2 4977 Boot from media bios is supported.
Perhaps they mean that if you packed your own version of the x2 4977 boot from media with a decrypted 2bl it would work if you specify all 0x00 for the rc4 key.
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 10:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (stealth @ Jul 18 2003, 02:14 PM) | ||
the X2 4977 bios is based on a debug bios. The X2 4977 boot from media bios has been slightly patched and the 2bl is encrypted with the Debug RC4 key. Stop distributing misinformation |
Well, I've never heard this.... if the 4977 BIOS is based on the Debug, why is it 256k and not handle the XDK?
The "BFM" has an RC4? Again.... the 'standard' 4977 doesn't have an RC4.
Post by: alfa_gta on July 18, 2003, 10:27:00 AM
x2_4977.rar
This bios is descrypted, or the standaard boot.cfg decrypts it, so you don't have to change the RC key..
just rename that bios to xboxrom.bin, sign the default.xbe with xbemdump -(whatever method)
And it'll boot
Post by: Rubadubcubb on July 18, 2003, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: alfa_gta on July 18, 2003, 10:29:00 AM
Post by: Lord Alderon on July 18, 2003, 10:23:00 AM
Post by: Rubadubcubb on July 18, 2003, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: Lord Alderon on July 18, 2003, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: XBLamer on July 18, 2003, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 10:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 18 2003, 07:20 PM) | ||||
Well, I've never heard this.... if the 4977 BIOS is based on the Debug, why is it 256k and not handle the XDK? The "BFM" has an RC4? Again.... the 'standard' 4977 doesn't have an RC4. |
It is based on the debug bios. I can only assume they mucked around with it a bit to get it to compress to smaller than 512k. The 2bl in the x2 4977 boot from media _IS_ encrypted with the debug rc4.
Post by: Rubadubcubb on July 18, 2003, 10:32:00 AM
hehe
Post by: netwerx on July 18, 2003, 10:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (kornkob69 @ Jul 18 2003, 06:14 PM) |
| anoyne get a hold of this and try it out yet? kinda wondering where to get it myself... hmm |
Pheonix Bios Loader
Post by: alfa_gta on July 18, 2003, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: Lord Alderon on July 18, 2003, 10:28:00 AM
Post by: DBZRacer on July 18, 2003, 10:30:00 AM
1. The dash hack that most everyone here loads up normally (I'll take bert & ernie as an example) will boot off the xbox hdd via default.xbe launching the Signed EvoX V1.8.3752 Dashboard.
2. From the bert&ernie evox menu, you would launch the "Phoenix Bios Loader" program (another default.xbe) which will start the app.
3. The app starts, and emulates booting up the xbox for the first time and loads the X2 4977 bios which in turn launches evoxdash.xbe (as if a modchip was installed)
4. From here, you have all the benefits of a modchip or flashed TSOP running the 4977 bios. Which means you can run any unsigned app, game, etc from the xbox hdd...
WOW! Now this is impressive!!!
Now that I think more about it, maybe I should have used the complex loader! to choose to boot the Phoenix Bios Loader....
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 10:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (stealth @ Jul 18 2003, 02:25 PM) | ||||||
It is based on the debug bios. I can only assume they mucked around with it a bit to get it to compress to smaller than 512k. The 2bl in the x2 4977 boot from media _IS_ encrypted with the debug rc4. |
Using the Debug BIOS'es 2BL doesn't mean it's based on the debug BIOS.
As I am starting to understand, the "BFM" version was created to emulate what the XDK's "BFM" Retail BIOSes do: load via the Debug BIOS'es "BFM" feature. I take it the RC4 key might have been required due to checking on the Debug BIOSes part, or using their 2BL loader.
Why, then, does Pheonix claim a BIOS will work with an unencrypted 2BL (Dual Boot)?
I'm telling you... it makes little sense to me.
Post by: (>Stormy<) on July 18, 2003, 10:37:00 AM
Post by: Lord Alderon on July 18, 2003, 10:32:00 AM
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 10:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (Lord Alderon @ Jul 18 2003, 07:32 PM) |
| FURTHER INFRACTIONS WILL LEAD TO BANNING. DO NOT POST RC4 KEYS ON XBOX-SCENE!!! |
HAHAHA DUMBA$$
Post by: Terayon on July 18, 2003, 10:43:00 AM
But instead of using complex at all...
Why not just sign the default.xbe from this Pheonix loader with the font switch, the use bert and ernie to boot the default.xbe from the pheonix loader, once it loads the bios you should just boot straight to evox since that's what most of the hacked bios's do.
I don't know anything about this RC4 stuff....will any of the hacked Bios's need an RC4 key? or do they all use the debug key?
Basically if you can get this loader working with any hacked bios you should have the following and it should work...
c:fontsbert and ernie here
c:bert and ernie here is needed
c:Default.xbe from pheonix loader sigend with the font switch and all the other needed files from phenix loader
c:evox.ini and evoxdash.xbe
then when bert and ernie take over on boot, the phenix loader is loaded which puts the bios into memory, from there it looks for evoxdash.xbe (cause that's what most bios's do_ and boots evox, you now have evox running with a full mod bios. everything should work like you had a chip.
But does anyone know this RC4 stuff? Do we need a key for hacked bios's?
Post by: bluetypewriter on July 18, 2003, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: Heet on July 18, 2003, 10:36:00 AM
omg
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 10:37:00 AM
when running this... is this a hox?
Wooger
Post by: tjfontaine on July 18, 2003, 10:47:00 AM
It works for me.
Make sure you sign the xbe for the exploit you're booting from.
Post by: Terayon on July 18, 2003, 10:40:00 AM
Did you sign the Pheonix loader defualt.xbe for the xploit you are using?
if not then it won't load.
It is not signed already.
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 10:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (tjfontaine @ Jul 18 2003, 07:40 PM) |
| I tried it. It works for me. Make sure you sign the xbe for the exploit you're booting from. |
Yea i signed it...
I get the Pheonix movie and then after its done i get the error loading...
It worked for you?
Wooger
Post by: DBZRacer on July 18, 2003, 10:48:00 AM
1. Bert&Ernie
2. Complex Loader! (set to autolaunch Phoenix Bios Loader)
3. Bios Loader runs and voila!
4. evoxdash.xbe just like any other mod chipped xbox.
Post by: tjfontaine on July 18, 2003, 10:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (DBZRacer @ Jul 18 2003, 07:41 PM) |
| Terayon: Yup that was my train of thought at the end too but was too lazy to change my post. So essentially boot sequence would go: 1. Bert&Ernie 2. Complex Loader! (set to autolaunch Phoenix Bios Loader) 3. Bios Loader runs and voila! 4. evoxdash.xbe just like any other mod chipped xbox. |
more like:
1 B&E
2 Phoenix Loader
3 Evox Dash
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 10:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 18 2003, 07:30 PM) |
| It is based on the debug bios. I can only assume they mucked around with it a bit to get it to compress to smaller than 512k. The 2bl in the x2 4977 boot from media _IS_ encrypted with the debug rc4. [/QUOTE] Using the Debug BIOS'es 2BL doesn't mean it's based on the debug BIOS. As I am starting to understand, the "BFM" version was created to emulate what the XDK's "BFM" Retail BIOSes do: load via the Debug BIOS'es "BFM" feature. I take it the RC4 key might have been required due to checking on the Debug BIOSes part, or using their 2BL loader. Why, then, does Pheonix claim a BIOS will work with an unencrypted 2BL (Dual Boot)? I'm telling you... it makes little sense to me. |
It is possible that you are right about the x2 4977 just being patched to do the shadow rom booting, however I've glanced at the diff between the 2 before and I don't believe it is enough to fully convert a retail to allow for that.
And if I'm correct, the .nfo doesn't say anywhere that any bios with a decrypted 2bl will work. It specifically says that only the X2 4977 BFM bios is. What they most likely mean is that if you were to decrypt the X24977 BFM 2bl and repackage the bios with the 2bl already decrypted, it would work.
That was probably to incite someone to build the rom that way so that people wouldn't have to scrounge around for the RC4key as it is much harder to find then the bioses themselves.
Post by: Lord Alderon on July 18, 2003, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: PheoniX_Project on July 18, 2003, 10:50:00 AM
i guess ive looked thru clearer glasses than some.
Cheers
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 10:57:00 AM
Quote from: stealth,Jul 18 2003, 02:44 PM
Quote from: BenJeremy,Jul 18 2003, 07:30 PMIt is based on the debug bios. I can only assume they mucked around with it a bit to get it to compress to smaller than 512k. The 2bl in the x2 4977 boot from media _IS_ encrypted with the debug rc4.
Using the Debug BIOS'es 2BL doesn't mean it's based on the debug BIOS.
As I am starting to understand, the "BFM" version was created to emulate what the XDK's "BFM" Retail BIOSes do: load via the Debug BIOS'es "BFM" feature. I take it the RC4 key might have been required due to checking on the Debug BIOSes part, or using their 2BL loader.
Why, then, does Pheonix claim a BIOS will work with an unencrypted 2BL (Dual Boot)?
I'm telling you... it makes little sense to me.
It is possible that you are right about the x2 4977 just being patched to do the shadow rom booting, however I've glanced at the diff between the 2 before and I don't believe it is enough to fully convert a retail to allow for that.
And if I'm correct, the .nfo doesn't say anywhere that any bios with a decrypted 2bl will work. It specifically says that only the X2 4977 BFM bios is. What they most likely mean is that if you were to decrypt the X24977 BFM 2bl and repackage the bios with the 2bl already decrypted, it would work.
That was probably to incite someone to build the rom that way so that people wouldn't have to scrounge around for the RC4key as it is much harder to find then the bioses themselves. [/QUOTE]
The "official" M$ "Boot From Media" BIOSes are, in fact, retail BIOSes.
This is why the NFO from Pheonix is a bit confusing.
What's require, probably, is special code to allow for a warm boot of the BIOS, with full initialization. Normally, initialization data is grabbed from the shadowed BIOS image, and much is left undone on a warm reboot... mixing with a new shadowed BIOS can screw up a system, since the data is no longer in the same spots. "BFM" must use special code to bypass this issue by doing something completely different.
I think at issue here is that the only compatible BIOSes are those set up for "Boot From Media" with the proper init code to restart with a new BIOS.
The 2BL must be the key to making a BIOS "BFM", hence the usage of the Debug 2BL.
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 10:57:00 AM
Post by: shinobi006 on July 18, 2003, 10:51:00 AM
Post by: Terayon on July 18, 2003, 10:51:00 AM
Post by: quaker2002 on July 18, 2003, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 11:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 18 2003, 07:50 PM) |
| The "official" M$ "Boot From Media" BIOSes are, in fact, retail BIOSes. This is why the NFO from Pheonix is a bit confusing. What's require, probably, is special code to allow for a warm boot of the BIOS, with full initialization. Normally, initialization data is grabbed from the shadowed BIOS image, and much is left undone on a warm reboot... mixing with a new shadowed BIOS can screw up a system, since the data is no longer in the same spots. "BFM" must use special code to bypass this issue by doing something completely different. I think at issue here is that the only compatible BIOSes are those set up for "Boot From Media" with the proper init code to restart with a new BIOS. The 2BL must be the key to making a BIOS "BFM", hence the usage of the Debug 2BL. |
Last time I checked, you can't find an official M$ boot from media bios in a retail box.
How are they retail then?
What do you think a debug bios is then? Oh wait, maybe a bios that MS distributes in debug xboxes. And shockingly, those debug bioses are the ones that support booting from media.
Post by: bergkampf on July 18, 2003, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: tjfontaine on July 18, 2003, 11:10:00 AM
make sure you have the bios you're trying to load be 1024k
repeat, if you want it to work the rom you are trying to load must be 1024k
see
http://www.maxconsol...ents&newsid=365
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 11:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (stealth @ Jul 18 2003, 02:54 PM) | ||
Last time I checked, you can't find an official M$ boot from media bios in a retail box. How are they retail then? What do you think a debug bios is then? Oh wait, maybe a bios that MS distributes in debug xboxes. And shockingly, those debug bioses are the ones that support booting from media. |
No, they are distribruted with the XDK.
"BFM" BIOSes are developer's tools for testing software using a pseudo-retail Xbox.
Post by: matt03 on July 18, 2003, 11:21:00 AM
EDIT (BJ): WHAT I REMOVED IS A REQUEST. YOU ARE WRONG IN YOUR OTHER STATEMENT.
Do not request "illegal" things here, either.
Post by: alfa_gta on July 18, 2003, 11:23:00 AM
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 11:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 18 2003, 08:13 PM) |
| No, they are distribruted with the XDK. "BFM" BIOSes are developer's tools for testing software using a pseudo-retail Xbox. |
The bioses that come in the debug ones are boot from media ones as well.
And yes obviously the ones that come with the XDK are debugs too. I still don't see why you consider those "retail". They are certainly not retail versions.
Post by: klime on July 18, 2003, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 12:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (klime @ Jul 18 2003, 03:49 PM) |
| Umm I don't really understand everything but I'll ask a question. What is the RC4 key and can I find it in my Xbox? And also, will this work with just evox and not using complex !loader with a 3944 kernal Xbox? |
Find the RC4 here
Ok, so that isn't what I said it was, at least you know have seen the X-S statement on it and other info on it. Seems the only way to get newbs to understand before they get banned.
Post by: klime on July 18, 2003, 12:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 18 2003, 08:04 PM) | ||
Find the RC4 http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act=ST&f=45&t=78827 Ok, so that isn't what I said it was, at least you know have seen the X-S statement on it and other info on it. Seems the only way to get newbs to understand before they get banned. |
Umm... I never asked anyone to post it. I just asked what it is and if I can get it from MY OWN xbox.
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 12:21:00 PM
You all know what that means
Wooger
Post by: PheoniX_Project on July 18, 2003, 12:23:00 PM
Nothings gunna stop this revolution called freedom of information
Cheers
Post by: IntestineMan on July 18, 2003, 12:25:00 PM
I am not complaining here... I just am curious as to the laws regarding this situation. Does the RC4 directly violate the DMCA, and all the other software does not?
Post by: Whatup1049 on July 18, 2003, 12:37:00 PM
You need to get a BFM (boot from media) X2 4977 bios. Then you need the RC4 key for it! Thats it simple as it gets guys.
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 18, 2003, 12:47:00 PM
It certainly sounds to be as good, to me. but then again, I'm a dumb shit.
what's the opinion now?
Post by: SkyFire360 on July 18, 2003, 12:48:00 PM
Good job Noil
Post by: rapcore on July 18, 2003, 12:45:00 PM
Post by: brandonopolis on July 18, 2003, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 12:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (klime @ Jul 18 2003, 04:11 PM) | ||||
Umm... I never asked anyone to post it. I just asked what it is and if I can get it from MY OWN xbox. |
Ummm.... if you did, I'd have done something different
I merely used your post as a springboard to inform others.
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 12:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (Noilegnave Siseneg Noen @ Jul 18 2003, 04:40 PM) |
| so what do the nay-sayers to software mods have to say about this one? Is this software mod as good as owning a modchip? It certainly sounds to be as good, to me. but then again, I'm a dumb shit. what's the opinion now? |
It's still far from perfect, and other issues haven't been resolved.
Close, but still no cigar.
Post by: oneeyedelf on July 18, 2003, 01:02:00 PM
Post by: SkyFire360 on July 18, 2003, 12:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (PheoniX_Project @ Jul 18 2003, 09:16 PM) |
| http://www.maxconsol...ents&newsid=366 Nothings gunna stop this revolution called freedom of information Cheers |
Be careful going into said irc channel... they can log all IPs going in there. If MS busts 'em for RC4 distribution, they can recover the IP logs.
Just a fair warning.
Post by: oneeyedelf on July 18, 2003, 12:59:00 PM
Post by: SkyFire360 on July 18, 2003, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 01:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 18 2003, 09:52 PM) |
| It's still far from perfect, and other issues haven't been resolved. Close, but still no cigar. |
What issues need to be resolved still?
From what I've heard, it works exactly the same as booting X2 4977 from a modchip
Post by: oneeyedelf on July 18, 2003, 01:10:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 01:15:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 01:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 18 2003, 05:15 PM) |
| is it legal for someone to post the filesize of the rc4 or even the filename? if so, list these |
There is no filesize or filename.
Get your RC4 information elsewhere, comprende?
Post by: oneeyedelf on July 18, 2003, 01:25:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 01:26:00 PM
however, thank you for not flaming me
Post by: PheoniX_Project on July 18, 2003, 01:21:00 PM
Now it will just take some dedication to blocking M$'s efforts to force updates upon people who we beleive have the freedom to choose if they want thse forced down theyre throats.
But as the source code is theyre for all to use and missuse and abuse the sky is now the limit to how far xbox development can go.
Just for example a modified nforce bios is now not out of the question to use your box as a PC.
Free-x was just the foot in the door now its up to you whether you want to tear the door and all the walls down
Best thing is its the cheapest damn cigar in town so thats where most of the punters head
BTW nasisX has declared these developments to truelly be in the 4th Dimension God Bless Him
Busy times ahead in redmond
Cheers
Post by: {later} on July 18, 2003, 01:24:00 PM
When I load up 007 for the second time I only see an phoenix image and after that again a black screen...
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 18, 2003, 01:32:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Just for example a modified nforce bios is now not out of the question to use your box as a PC. |
no shit?!!??!
Post by: Ridley on July 18, 2003, 01:45:00 PM
Post by: {later} on July 18, 2003, 02:33:00 PM
Post by: xboxwannabe on July 18, 2003, 02:30:00 PM
Post by: tutu on July 18, 2003, 02:40:00 PM
If only the audio exploit worked then this would be the best thing in conjuction with it, we would then have the option when to run the BIOS loader.
So when we don't need it, its not running thus -> Xbox Live compatibility
(I hope)
Post by: Artifex on July 18, 2003, 02:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (tutu @ Jul 18 2003, 11:33 PM) |
| this rocks!! If only the audio exploit worked then this would be the best thing in conjuction with it, Xbox Live compatibility (I hope) |
the audio exploit does work.
why would you say it doesnt?
--Artifex
Post by: tutu on July 18, 2003, 03:21:00 PM
it will only boot linux? and xbedump -audio doesn't seem to work (key isn't working?)
Post by: Jacob2003 on July 18, 2003, 03:22:00 PM
Thanks
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 03:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (tutu @ Jul 18 2003, 11:45 PM) |
| not according to every single post on here.... it will only boot linux? and xbedump -audio doesn't seem to work (key isn't working?) |
It will work fine with the audio exploit, it just needs to be signed correctly. And yeah, -audio doesn't work.
Post by: tutu on July 18, 2003, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: Ubergeek on July 18, 2003, 03:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (tutu @ Jul 18 2003, 11:33 PM) |
| Xbox Live compatibility (I hope) |
if you had an ounce of a clue as to how this shit worked - you ppl would stop gagging for an xbl exploit
it aint happening - forget it - get over it
go jerk off over some other shit
seriousley
Post by: DBZRacer on July 18, 2003, 03:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (tjfontaine @ Jul 18 2003, 11:44 AM) | ||
more like: 1 B&E 2 Phoenix Loader 3 Evox Dash |
So has anyone here been brave enuff yet to sign the Phoenix Bios Loader as their default startup and not use the Complex !Loader or the likes yet? Or is everyone still running this new Phoenix breakthrough as an experimental app?
Post by: Artifex on July 18, 2003, 03:41:00 PM
The rc4 key is unnecessary if one has a bios with an already decrypted 2bl.
How to go about making one:
Obtain an x2 4977 BFM rom image, 256k
Obtain the RC4 key
Unpack the x2 4977 BFM bios with xbtool
Insert the unpacked 2bl.img over the original 2bl in the rom image
This starts at offset 0x6200 (iirc)
Make the rom image 1024k using the age-old techniques
Upload to the usual sources for all to enjoy.
Then, noone will need to go trying to find the rc4 key.
To get the RC4 key without blatently breaking laws:
Obtain a bios that contains it in the 2bl, and has a decrypted 2bl.
(not sure which ones do, offhand. try evoxd6)
Open in a hexeditor.
Find the key... it's offset will vary, but it will start with the
magic letters W and B
All the bytes should add up to 0x063D, iirc
Also... to cover some other bases:
Using complex !loader with this is silly. The whole point of
complex !loader is to patch a stock bios at runtime. With this,
youre already running a patched bios, so there's no need. A good setup would
be to use bert & ernie to launch the Phoenix loader directly, which will in
turn load x2 4977 bfm, which will in turn launch evox.
A STEP-BY-STEP:
Install Bert&Ernie Font exploit as has been covered a million other times
Sign Phoenix Loader with the Font exploit key using xbedump. (also well covered)
Put RC4 key in config file, and copy to c:
copy phoenix.raw to c:
Copy signed .xbe to c:
put evoxdash.xbe on c:
rename x2 4977 bfm bios to xboxkrnl.bin and put on c:
Your box will now boot just as if it had a modchip. :-D
ENJOY!
btw... im extremely tired, so, correct me if any of this is wrong. :-)
--Artifex
This post has been edited by Artifex: Jul 18 2003, 11:02 PM
Post by: tutu on July 18, 2003, 03:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Jul 18 2003, 11:01 PM) | ||
if you had an ounce of a clue as to how this shit worked - you ppl would stop gagging for an xbl exploit it aint happening - forget it - get over it go jerk off over some other shit seriousley |
With all due respect with what you have done for the scene, I don't think you undertand what I mean in my post.
Yes I am a little excited, but who isn't?
I simply wan't to use the audio exploit so I can run the BIOS loader and then use XBMP + Emulators, when I choose.
This should mean I can continue to use my Xbox live with my Xbox live originalls, thank you very much.
This has got nothing to do with "xbl exploits".
Now grow up..
Back to topic please
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 03:52:00 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but to actually get an xbox to boot and have the original c drive "untouched" so you can still use xbl. Wouldnt it be a brighter idea to make the pheonix bios loader a game save exploit... load 007 boot the phoenix and load evox off say a cd. THen when you wanted to play xbl you could just simply reboot the xbox. Put your legal "legit" game in the tray and boot into the game. Choosing xbl and vwa-la? You dont have a messed with xbox drive content and you can play backups when you want?
Wooger
Keep in mind when I say boot evox off a cd i mean after the new bios loads it will go into the xboxdash. Simply put the evox cd in the tray and load it.
This post has been edited by Wooger: Jul 18 2003, 10:53 PM
Post by: kornkob69 on July 18, 2003, 03:55:00 PM
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 03:56:00 PM
Post by: kornkob69 on July 18, 2003, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on July 18, 2003, 03:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (tutu @ Jul 18 2003, 07:13 PM) | ||||
With all due respect with what you have done for the scene, I don't think you undertand what I mean in my post. Yes I am a little excited, but who isn't? I simply wan't to use the audio exploit so I can run the BIOS loader and then use XBMP + Emulators, when I choose. This should mean I can continue to use my Xbox live with my Xbox live originalls, thank you very much. This has got nothing to do with "xbl exploits". Now grow up.. Back to topic please |
Nonetheless, you'll never get XBL compatiblity without a different exploit.
XBL will detect anything you do that can exist on the hard drive, including a test to validate every data file on the system and correcting the xboxdash.xbe file.
I think I understand what YOU are asking for, and it's one of the "Close but no cigar" things I mentioned.
These exploits are getting better.... but still not mature. I'd give it an "early Alpha" rating.
Post by: mojojojo on July 18, 2003, 03:41:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| .....and load evox off say a cd |
maybye you could get a bios to point to the mem card partition and boot evoxdash from the mem card or the game saves dir in udata if there is a bios out now or tool that could do this. but yeah thats a good idea woog
Post by: Cain on July 18, 2003, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: ripcurl on July 18, 2003, 03:39:00 PM
the BTM x2 bios on xbins is 1024k....is it pre-made with RC4 shit done already??
Post by: DBZRacer on July 18, 2003, 03:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (Cain @ Jul 18 2003, 04:34 PM) |
| I'm just waiting for the Pheonix guys to put this into ernie, then it'll be pretty much perfect. |
With all these sesame exploit names, for some wierd reason, "Ernie ate Big Bird" popped into my head when I read your post. LOL
And as BenJeremy said up there, VERY VERY close but no cigar quite yet...
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: mojojojo on July 18, 2003, 03:41:00 PM
Post by: Mordenkainen on July 18, 2003, 03:46:00 PM
Do any of the BIOS tools support modifications to this bios? I would like to stop the flashing LED.
If not, does anyone know the offset and values to change that will stop this and I will patch it with a hex editor. Preferably for green.
Thanks
Morden.
Post by: Artifex on July 18, 2003, 03:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (Cain @ Jul 19 2003, 12:34 AM) |
| I'm just waiting for the Pheonix guys to put this into ernie, then it'll be pretty much perfect. |
this will not happen. it would be silly, and pointless, as ernie can just launch the Phoenix Loader directly!
--Artifex
Post by: Ridley on July 18, 2003, 03:55:00 PM
Just be grateful that you are able to play backups without a modchip.
geez!
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 18, 2003, 03:56:00 PM
one thing I've noticed is different...LED on front flashes red. No effect on anything, but is that normal for the phoenix stuff? I'd presume that it's normal behavior, since it all works...just curious.
*edit*
while I was writing this, somebody answered my own question a post or two before...never mind...
geez this thread is filling out fast
nsn
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 03:59:00 PM
it's still the same for me what was this exactly supposed to do that's different
Post by: Artifex on July 18, 2003, 04:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ Jul 19 2003, 12:46 AM) |
| This is working great! Do any of the BIOS tools support modifications to this bios? I would like to stop the flashing LED. If not, does anyone know the offset and values to change that will stop this and I will patch it with a hex editor. Preferably for green. Thanks Morden. |
Heh... this is the only (currently known) flat-out BUG with the loader. See, when the kernel is compleatly jacked up, murdered, cut into little peices, and thrown out the window in order to be replaced by another, better, more fun kernel in this method..... well, let's just say things can go wonky. The led flips out. This can be easily fixed, by writing to the pic, but needs to be done after the new bios is loaded.... which means, long after the loader does it's thing.
Sorry!
--Artifex
(Upon afterthought... bug is a bad word for it. "side-effect?")
Post by: Cain on July 18, 2003, 03:57:00 PM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Jul 18 2003, 11:48 PM) | ||
this will not happen. it would be silly, and pointless, as ernie can just launch the Phoenix Loader directly! --Artifex |
I can see the point, you on the other hand are being a little shortsighted.
If the kernel is replaced in the font file and the location of the dash is changed (to evoxdash.xbe or neXgen.xbe) without having to launch another xbe then the clock reset issue should become nothing but a horrible memory.
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ridley @ Jul 19 2003, 12:48 AM) |
| I wish ppl would stop trying to hack XBL, it's just going to be the last straw for M$. Just be grateful that you are able to play backups without a modchip. geez! |
I was refering to a way that wouldnt "scam" M$ XBL. You would still need the original games to play XBL. The save game exploit of pheonix would mearly let you play backups when you wanted and not have to modify your box saving all warranties.
Wooger
Post by: Artifex on July 18, 2003, 04:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (Cain @ Jul 19 2003, 12:57 AM) | ||||
I can see the point, you on the other hand are being a little shortsighted. If the kernel is replaced in the font file and the location of the dash is changed (to evoxdash.xbe or neXgen.xbe) without having to launch another xbe then the clock reset issue should become nothing but a horrible memory. |
no, the clock issue will still be there.
but, the clock issue is resolved, if you know where to get the newest bert&ernie. :-)
and i mean RESOLVED, not just a shoddy cmos workaround.
--Artifex
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 04:09:00 PM
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 19 2003, 01:02 AM) |
| wooger, you got it working, when you boot it up, do you get the original xbox intro,then a bird intro, then an evox screen, with the 3 different flashing colors LED? explain exactly what happens for you please |
I have yet to try to set the pheonix bios loader working as the base dash....
I was only able to get the XBox to boot the loader dash... and then execute the pheonix.. which in turn loaded the new bios and booted evox....
If you read the nfo file... the first time you boot the bios you will get the animation... then the evox bios will boot... the consecutive times you boot the bios you should only get the pheonix logo and then the evox will come up.
Wooger
Post by: bernienoel on July 18, 2003, 04:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Jul 19 2003, 12:01 AM) | ||
|
do you talk about the 'bert and ernie Reloaded '?
many ppl told that it was buggy ...
or is it a new version of the exploit not already released?
bernie
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (Wooger @ Jul 19 2003, 01:09 AM) | ||
I have yet to try to set the pheonix bios loader working as the base dash.... I was only able to get the XBox to boot the loader dash... and then execute the pheonix.. which in turn loaded the new bios and booted evox.... If you read the nfo file... the first time you boot the bios you will get the animation... then the evox bios will boot... the consecutive times you boot the bios you should only get the pheonix logo and then the evox will come up. Wooger |
Also note that after I got it booting the bios and evox... i had to goto work so I have yet to play with it
Wooger
Post by: Cain on July 18, 2003, 04:20:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| no, the clock issue will still be there. |
Not when my hacked MS dash is called neXgen.xbe
| QUOTE |
| but, the clock issue is resolved, if you know where to get the newest bert&ernie. :-) and i mean RESOLVED, not just a shoddy cmos workaround. |
I know where to get it (in fact i've already got them), but i'm not using it until i know how it works. And seing as no nfo was given, and the author is anonymous i'm not ready to try it yet.
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:20:00 PM
Wooger
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 04:21:00 PM
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (Cain @ Jul 19 2003, 01:13 AM) | ||||
Not when my hacked MS dash is called neXgen.xbe
I know where to get it (in fact i've already got them), but i'm not using it until i know how it works. And seing as no nfo was given, and the author is anonymous i'm not ready to try it yet. |
Are you refering to the experimental release of the bert and ernie?
This has been proven CRAP!
Wooger
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 19 2003, 01:14 AM) |
| thanks wooger for clearing that up for me, so now im able to change the led and what not,as if i have a modchip? |
I don't see why not... its technically a real "bios"... all tools that would work for a mod chip bios should work for this bios.
Wooger
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 04:24:00 PM
lol hows the controller
Post by: ripcurl on July 18, 2003, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 19 2003, 01:17 AM) |
| thanks again wooger, you're the man lol hows the controller |
Controllers awesome... though I think im going to do the "MadCat Mod" next. Im lucky enough to have gotten a mad cat and i want to be able to be at a buddies and transfer games to it simply by plugging in the memory card.
Though doing the controller also allows me now to plug a keyboard into my xbox for linux
Wooger
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (ripcurl @ Jul 19 2003, 01:18 AM) |
| whats happens when u try to access the ms dash after the exploit?? |
Edited or Un-Edited msdash?
Wooger
Post by: crimsonmask on July 18, 2003, 04:32:00 PM
]. And for those who have it working, whats your kernel?Thanks
Crimsonmask
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 04:32:00 PM
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 19 2003, 01:25 AM) |
| well, it works for me, after i did the renaming to .xft exploit,and repointing evox to the dash i resigned and hex edited |
Yea I was going to say im sure the hex edited dash should work fine.. but if you use the bert and ernie method to boot the pheonixbiosloader then the original xbox dash is going to yack...
Wooger
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 04:39:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 04:40:00 PM
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act=ST&f=45&t=78973
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 19 2003, 01:32 AM) |
| woohoo just noticed that it does fix the dvd problem |
Your refering to the "authentication issue" with the 4817 models?
Wooger
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: Wooger on July 18, 2003, 04:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 19 2003, 01:44 AM) |
| no, for some reason, it no longer clones my C drive on D when i FTP to it using flashFXP |
Same issue.... and you didnt check this first? TISK TISK TISK.....
Wooger
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: stealth on July 18, 2003, 05:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 19 2003, 12:29 AM) |
| Nonetheless, you'll never get XBL compatiblity without a different exploit. XBL will detect anything you do that can exist on the hard drive, including a test to validate every data file on the system and correcting the xboxdash.xbe file. I think I understand what YOU are asking for, and it's one of the "Close but no cigar" things I mentioned. These exploits are getting better.... but still not mature. I'd give it an "early Alpha" rating. |
Note that the fact that people can't use the audio hack to launch the Phoenix bios loader is strictly because the xbedump to sign with the audio key is broken. It has nothing to do with the Phoenix bios loader itself.
Post by: Lord Alderon on July 18, 2003, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: SkyFire360 on July 18, 2003, 05:40:00 PM
Hack Used: Phoenix Bios
Result: Success
w00t!
Fixes dvd authentication with 4817 too
Post by: oracle2 on July 18, 2003, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 06:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (oracle2 @ Jul 19 2003, 02:33 AM) |
| Okay...I've got a question. Is there any way to boot the Phoenix Loader using the 007aufsave hack? All on a memory card? That way I won't have to install anything on my hard drive and can only boot this when I want to and still boot original XBL titles? |
would be nice oracle2 someone should put all the files together in a package
except, you still have to put the save on your hard drive
Post by: oracle2 on July 18, 2003, 07:01:00 PM
Boot AUF -> Load game -> Boot Phoenix -> Boot EvoX -> Boot any unsigned app I want off of CDRW
It would be nice if I could get this working. I don't have two Xboxes and I play on XBL quite a bit.
Post by: Mordenkainen on July 18, 2003, 07:09:00 PM
1. Sign the Pheonix with the habib key.
2. replace the default.xbe in the save with this one.
3. put Evox in there as evoxdash.xbe with whatever config you need.
4. Put a bios file in the that trys to load the evoxdash.xbe in the save folder (Can this be done? I don't know if you can modify the bios in this way.)
This should do it, I think. the only tricky part is that BIOS mod.
Once again I ask, is there any way we can modify this BIOS's parameters? Any way we can get the BIOS utils to recognize it? It always comes up as "unknown" for me.
Morden.
Post by: oracle2 on July 18, 2003, 07:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ Jul 19 2003, 04:02 AM) |
| I don't see why not, though it would require a few changes... 1. Sign the Pheonix with the habib key. 2. replace the default.xbe in the save with this one. 3. put Evox in there as evoxdash.xbe with whatever config you need. 4. Put a bios file in the that trys to load the evoxdash.xbe in the save folder (Can this be done? I don't know if you can modify the bios in this way.) This should do it, I think. the only tricky part is that BIOS mod. Once again I ask, is there any way we can modify this BIOS's parameters? Any way we can get the BIOS utils to recognize it? It always comes up as "unknown" for me. Morden. |
Ah...that makes sense. I hadn't thought about #4. So I would have to put that on the C drive...bummer. Thanks for the answer.
Post by: underthebridge on July 18, 2003, 07:28:00 PM
For example, hold down black button when you turn on your xbox to bring up a menu that allows you to select bios (X2 or retail) to load.
Amazing work so far team Phoenix!
Post by: punkasscrab on July 18, 2003, 08:12:00 PM
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Once Phoenix succeeds in getting retail bioses to load, and once they implement something to switch between bioses on bootup, it would be simply PERFECT! You would basically have an on/off switch for xblive, just like a chip.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the retail bios check for a game in the drive and load it first. Failing to find a game it loads the dashboard.
So if you have a game in the drive before the dashboard loads then the bert/ernie fonts don't load nor does the chain of events that leads to a patched bios.
Playing with a retail game uses a full retall bios and can be used on live so I'd assume. A backup would require patched bios and get you banned.
So.....no switch needed. Just pop in a retail and play on live. Or boot it into dash and do as you please
Is my assumption correct ?
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: IHG on July 18, 2003, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: 4NIC8TOR on July 18, 2003, 08:32:00 PM
Post by: akula169 on July 18, 2003, 08:46:00 PM
What's so hard about locking a drive?
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: underthebridge on July 18, 2003, 09:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (punkasscrab @ Jul 19 2003, 05:05 AM) |
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the retail bios check for a game in the drive and load it first. Failing to find a game it loads the dashboard. So if you have a game in the drive before the dashboard loads then the bert/ernie fonts don't load nor does the chain of events that leads to a patched bios. Playing with a retail game uses a full retall bios and can be used on live so I'd assume. A backup would require patched bios and get you banned. So.....no switch needed. Just pop in a retail and play on live. Or boot it into dash and do as you please Is my assumption correct ? |
Here's the sequence:
1) Bert and Ernie tell the xbox to run the unsigned (font-hack signed) default.xbe.
2) This default.xbe of Phoenix then loads the X2 4977 bios.
3) The X2 bios, in turn, boots the dashboard: either evoxdash.xbe, nexgen.xbe, or xboxdash.xbe.
Now, what you are talking about -- running a DVD before you get to the dash -- still has the X2 bios loaded, thus you'll still get banned from M$ live.
The solution I see is to be able to choose the bios that is booted by default (step 2), once more bioses are supported. This allows us to play live while also not getting rid of the font hack, which is a pain to reinstall.
Post by: Mordenkainen on July 18, 2003, 09:08:00 PM
Only if there is no disc in the drive does it load the Dash on the HD, B&E arent loaded till this point.
Morden.
Post by: underthebridge on July 18, 2003, 09:11:00 PM
And there you have it! a complete switchable software mod (clock problem probably still needs to be fixed properly).
Post by: Telemachus on July 18, 2003, 09:20:00 PM
Just gorgeous.
Copied everything from the Pheonix loader over to C, minus the evoxdash. I have MXM set up as "nexgen.xbe."
Turn off the Chameleon, watch the fun little process, and next thing I know: Simplicity Ultra (MXM skin) is before my eyes, with a flashing red eject button.
D: and F: are both accessable.
Absolutley lovely.
Nice of Pheonix to give credit to the complex guys, too.
What a great time to be in the scene!
I just got a new 120 gig HD from Best Buy (69$), so once I get it set up, I will put the stock drive back in and try seeing how dangerous it actually is to run MXM with reloaded fonts, and let the clock go dead.
Post by: punkasscrab on July 18, 2003, 09:31:00 PM
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Now, what you are talking about -- running a DVD before you get to the dash -- still has the X2 bios loaded, thus you'll still get banned from M$ live.
I don't think so. The X2 bios is not loaded until the dash attempts to load with the font exploits. Having a retail game in the drive will cause it to boot and run from the retail bios.
Post by: matt03 on July 18, 2003, 09:51:00 PM
A) Flash the LPC bus (the Matrix)
B) Flash the TSOP
C) Just Write to the memory
D) Allow me to use other bioses with the Pheonix bios loader
or E) Simply screw up?
Post by: Lord Alderon on July 18, 2003, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 18, 2003, 09:53:00 PM
Post by: underthebridge on July 18, 2003, 09:59:00 PM
| QUOTE (punkasscrab @ Jul 19 2003, 06:24 AM) |
| The X2 bios is not loaded until the dash attempts to load with the font exploits. Having a retail game in the drive will cause it to boot and run from the retail bios. |
that's true, I guess I was mistaken . But I've never tried it, so can you or others confirm this?
Post by: Artifex on July 18, 2003, 10:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (matt03 @ Jul 19 2003, 06:44 AM) |
| A quick question - Say I have a matrix with some evox bios on it, and I boot from the matrix and use the phoenix Bios loader to load the x24977 bios, and go into evox, and then utilities, then flash, and tried to flash a new bios. Would it: A) Flash the LPC bus (the Matrix) Flash the TSOPC) Just Write to the memory D) Allow me to use other bioses with the Pheonix bios loader or E) Simply screw up? |
dunno, but i'd like to know the results of this. I'd imagine it will flash the matrix. Came to this conclusion by process of elimination....
It wont flash the tsop because the matrix is there (especially if tsop w.e. isnt soldered, which why would it be if you have a modchip (ok, even though mine is like this, heh))
It wont just "write to the memory" as this is not how flashing works.
It wont allow you to use other bioses with the complex loader. Would be nice if it did, but, things never work that simply.
And E? Well, that would be my second guess. :-)
--Artifex
Post by: bigguns on July 18, 2003, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: sharkzor on July 18, 2003, 10:29:00 PM
Complete_Signed_Phoenix_Bios_Loader.rar
no need to search anymore, just copy the files i guess... gonna try it today.
Post by: {later} on July 18, 2003, 11:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ Jul 19 2003, 04:02 AM) |
| I don't see why not, though it would require a few changes... 1. Sign the Pheonix with the habib key. 2. replace the default.xbe in the save with this one. 3. put Evox in there as evoxdash.xbe with whatever config you need. 4. Put a bios file in the that trys to load the evoxdash.xbe in the save folder (Can this be done? I don't know if you can modify the bios in this way.) This should do it, I think. the only tricky part is that BIOS mod. Once again I ask, is there any way we can modify this BIOS's parameters? Any way we can get the BIOS utils to recognize it? It always comes up as "unknown" for me. Morden. |
Ok, I tried this out.
1. Done
2. Done
3. I put evoxdash.xbe and evox.ini at my C: Drive
4. I have the correct bios and rc4key.
I start up 007, load the 'savegame' and the phoenix animation shows up (so the default.xbe is signed correctly)
After the animation ends I just get a black screen, and my led is still green.
Have I done something wrong?
I have an unmodified 1.0 xbox with the original dashboard and 4034 bios and kernel.
The complex loader works fine using the 007 hack.
Post by: imokruok420 on July 18, 2003, 11:45:00 PM
(infinate loops)
Post by: Troed on July 18, 2003, 11:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Jul 18 2003, 11:01 PM) | ||
if you had an ounce of a clue as to how this shit worked - you ppl would stop gagging for an xbl exploit it aint happening - forget it - get over it go jerk off over some other shit seriousley |
You're posting crap again Übergeek. You know as well as I do that it's possible to make an exploit that works for Live.
(I've already posted how to do it on these forums)
Post by: b166ir on July 19, 2003, 12:08:00 AM
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 12:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (b166ir @ Jul 19 2003, 09:01 AM) |
| so if i get this right with phoenix loader you can use xbox live with out getting banned ?? |
HAH! No.
This loads a mod bios. Your box is then set up just like it were a modded box, only without cracking the case and voiding the warranty. Xbox Live service will see the mod bios in memory, and ban you right quick.
BE CAREFULL PEOPLE! Mixing ANY hack and an update service like live is a recipe for disaster.
Although multiple groups are working on the live-update issue now, and a good solution may be near. :-D
--Artifex
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 19, 2003, 12:25:00 AM
in spite of all else, I'm sure it will continue. But why not just go to xbconnect or something similar. liike the new tunneling program you don't even need a pc for. you can cut out the middleman altogether, not worry about getting your box all janked out, and plus play games you just can't play on xbl, like the first Halo, etc.
just a ramble....people will do whatever, but that's just what I think of live.
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 12:27:00 AM
nvm my previous post i got it
Post by: Johno on July 19, 2003, 01:58:00 AM
I told you before!! Slow down! 167 posts in 2 days!!!
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 02:27:00 AM
guess that makes me "senior membor"lol
Post by: docster on July 19, 2003, 02:34:00 AM
learn to spell fuckwit
seriousley ;-)
Post by: Benu on July 19, 2003, 02:45:00 AM
I've down this new hack, and it works a charm, with the system settings showing a new kernel. 49 something.....
The only thing I can find wrong at the moment is the flashing Red LED. Is there a work around for this yet?
Thanks.
Post by: tutu on July 19, 2003, 02:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (docster @ Jul 19 2003, 10:27 AM) |
| tutu learn to spell fuckwit seriousley ;-) |
Yeh well some people had been to work all day and it was quite late
You should learn to spell, Seriously
(spelt correctly, well at least in the UK)
Post by: XLNC on July 19, 2003, 03:23:00 AM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 03:35:00 AM
Post by: xboxwannabe on July 19, 2003, 03:36:00 AM
Post by: wimpie007 on July 19, 2003, 03:37:00 AM
some say yes, others say no???
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 03:44:00 AM
Post by: Benu on July 19, 2003, 04:07:00 AM
| QUOTE (xboxwannabe @ Jul 19 2003, 12:29 PM) |
| load loader FX1.0 with led patch then load biosloader.... no more flashing led !! |
well, i was running that in the beginning.
but it seems like a hassle to have to boot throught complex just to fix the LED.
there has to be a real fix, no?
Post by: erikman on July 19, 2003, 04:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (wimpie007 @ Jul 19 2003, 12:30 PM) |
| Is the eject-issue resolved? some say yes, others say no??? |
It depends, if you use the reloaded fonts and eject the drive at the dashboard it won´t reboot your Xbox, but if you are using the BICOE fonts and eject the drive at the dashboard it will reset your Xbox.
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 04:30:00 AM
Post by: BleedingEdge on July 19, 2003, 04:36:00 AM
Dont you guys get it anything that looks like taking sales from executor gets flamed
Just look at theyre previous posts on similar subjects
Didnt the scene know that if it doesnt come from executor the scene doesnt deserve to have it?
let me get this right we have a guy that is on an anti piracy high horse that releases a program thats compiled with the XDK oh yeah and then he asks for donations for his time etc lol isnt that the pot calling the kettle black.
Open your eyes people its time to stop looking thru those rose coloured glasses.
ffs
Post by: swissdude99 on July 19, 2003, 04:47:00 AM
im going to get some
Post by: BenJeremy on July 19, 2003, 05:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (BleedingEdge @ Jul 19 2003, 08:29 AM) |
| Just another day of typical Ubergeek and Benjerremy posts. Dont you guys get it anything that looks like taking sales from executor gets flamed Just look at theyre previous posts on similar subjects Didnt the scene know that if it doesnt come from executor the scene doesnt deserve to have it? let me get this right we have a guy that is on an anti piracy high horse that releases a program thats compiled with the XDK oh yeah and then he asks for donations for his time etc lol isnt that the pot calling the kettle black. Open your eyes people its time to stop looking thru those rose coloured glasses. ffs |
"Piracy high horse" - interesting.
If you'd like to debate that one, too bad. It's banning material.
X-S mods have explained this too many times in the past, but let me go one more time for a fool like you how seems to lack the ability to understand (why I bother, I don't know, since you probably STILL won't get it):
X-S is a high profile scene site (50,000 members)
Piracy talk attracts the wrong type of attention, and opens this site up to serious liability, particularly under the new laws.
Xantium OWNS this site.
Xantium has decreed he doesn't want to risk this site on posts users can easily make ELSEWHERE.
We enforce his wishes.
If you don't like it, we can arrange it so you don't have to worry, ever, about this site, capeche?
As for my statements about these hacks, you are completely off base on this one. I personally am itching to try this out on a machine, but I still don't feel it's mature enough. Why should I be impatient, and worse, encourage others to act foolish, just because I'm too impatient to WAIT until these hacks are thoroughly solid? I know first hand how impatience can screw over people who drool over the latest and greatest "thing" - regardless of how ill-advised it might be to WAIT until it gets a little better.
Pheonix pushes the whole dashboard hack closer, but still not there all the way.
...and I'd really like to see you explain HOW this hack will EVER let them play Xbox Live with 100% assurance. How am I wrong on this? I'm NOT. I've been doing this (Xbox) for over a year now... but consoles in general for many, many years, and I've got 20 years experience writing software. I know from whence I talk, and my caution is stated out of concern for USERS, not modchip makers.
HOWEVER, consider this: Many people are screwing up their systems with this hack, particularly when they barely know what they are doing.... and you are encouraging that. What is their alternative when they do this? Oh yeah... to buy a modchip.
Seems like YOU have done more to sell modchips than I have with my advice (which was not to buy a modchip, but to WAIT until these hacks are solid).
So stick you attitude where the sun don't shine, which is where it seems to have come from in the first place.
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 05:24:00 AM
Post by: BleedingEdge on July 19, 2003, 05:39:00 AM
If what I have been led to think is true then the following can and will be done.
A modified bios to do the following will easily in theory beat live and get us back to playing with our backups on live like we were able to do for the 1st few hours with Bert & Ernie and just signing everything to run from hdd.
same as what the current phoenix bios loader does but with the following changes made into the kernel.
Kernel is modified to contain a 2ndary bios loader(for use of a better word
so evox loads the game xbe and then the last thing before handing execution over to the game xbe this modified kernel copies a virgin M$ bios back into memory, the xbe is then executed and when live does its checks the bios is fine and passes all current checks.
It looks like my cheapmod can shortly run the debug bios I have been told for so long would never run without a 512k chip.
And now that I can save by not needing a chip I can afford a second box where my nomod box will also run the debug and any other bios the scene decides will run.
Live has been unlocked for those that tried a few different things atleast for some time it was until a patch was forcefed to users and im sure again in the future but next time i guess the hackers will go 1 step further and disable theyre impotent update routines altogether .
Comrende
Atleast u have proved you can infact take those executor coloured glasses off after all more than i can say for some of teh fanboys on irc.
I'm glad u proved some of my statement incorrect i was not promoting piracy i think you better go back and re read i was simple pointing out here is a Mod that seems to flame any new developments in these areas and say that all pirates are evil etc and then on the other hand releases a program that uses a very expensive pirated Application development package to release his software that in turn he asks for donations hmmmm who is the pirate?
Edit
I am no programmer but the ones i base my opinions on say my theory is infact very valid and doable and may infact have already been done by some quarters
Post by: BenJeremy on July 19, 2003, 05:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (BleedingEdge @ Jul 19 2003, 09:32 AM) |
| Does live check the contents of C?(do you actually know this for a fact due to looking at the routines?) i was under the impression it did a checksum on shadow ram bios! (As I thought Cs contents could change depending on drive fragmentation and a few other factors) If what I have been led to think is true then the following can and will be done. A modified bios to do the following will easily in theory beat live and get us back to playing with our backups on live like we were able to do for the 1st few hours with Bert & Ernie and just signing everything to run from hdd. same as what the current phoenix bios loader does but with the following changes made into the kernel. Kernel is modified to contain a 2ndary bios loader(for use of a better word so evox loads the game xbe and then the last thing before handing execution over to the game xbe this modified kernel copies a virgin M$ bios back into memory, the xbe is then executed and when live does its checks the bios is fine and passes all current checks. It looks like my cheapmod can shortly run the debug bios I have been told for so long would never run without a 512k chip. And now that I can save by not needing a chip I can afford a second box where my nomod box will also run the debug and any other bios the scene decides will run. Live has been unlocked for those that tried a few different things atleast for some time it was until a patch was forcefed to users and im sure again in the future but next time i guess the hackers will go 1 step further and disable theyre impotent update routines altogether . Comrende Atleast u have proved you can infact take those executor coloured glasses off after all more than i can say for some of teh fanboys on irc. I'm glad u proved some of my statement incorrect i was not promoting piracy i think you better go back and re read i was simple pointing out here is a Mod that seems to flame any new developments in these areas and say that all pirates are evil etc and then on the other hand releases a program that uses a very expensive pirated Application development package to release his software that in turn he asks for donations hmmmm who is the pirate? Edit I am no programmer but the ones i base my opinions on say my theory is infact very valid and doable and may infact have already been done by some quarters |
As I said before, I figured you lack the understanding.
XBL may not check the contents of your harddrive - at the moment, but it's quite trivial for them to start.
You still CANNOT run XBL with a hacked or patched BIOS. That will get you banned.
XBL operation, under the hack, will ONLY work if you boot on power up from an original XBL game disc. At that point, there are no guarantees (remember what I said about 100% assurance?) M$ cannot come in and do "their thing" - and with XBL, they can do that at any time they wish.
Maybe they'll start tomorrow. Maybe the week after next, maybe never. Do you know? I certainly don't.
The exploit hacks change the playing field for M$, and you can bet they are preparing something to counter it, and they are also well aware of EVERYTHING the scene is, too. The XBL security came as a shock to many XBL beta users who expected no problems from M$ - and were banned when XBL went operational. So much for those assumptions, eh?
But you are an impatient twit. Worse, you are an impatient twit who's encouraging others to follow him off a (potential) cliff, like lemmings. Fine. You can sell MORE modchips that way, because when they decide the hassle isn't worth it, or their box just sits there and blinks at them, they'll have NO OTHER CHOICE - and better yet, they'll have people like YOU to thank for the situation.
I'm not recommending people buy modchips. I'm recommending people WAIT until these hacks are solid.
How is that a ploy to sell modchips, or biased in any way towards that end?
Oh, right... it's NOT.
Post by: Ubergeek on July 19, 2003, 06:08:00 AM
| QUOTE (tutu @ Jul 19 2003, 12:13 AM) | ||||
With all due respect with what you have done for the scene, I don't think you undertand what I mean in my post. Yes I am a little excited, but who isn't? I simply wan't to use the audio exploit so I can run the BIOS loader and then use XBMP + Emulators, when I choose. This should mean I can continue to use my Xbox live with my Xbox live originalls, thank you very much. This has got nothing to do with "xbl exploits". Now grow up.. Back to topic please |
please tell me what is exciting about cracking xbox live so all the kiddies can play copies with cheats and completely fuck up everyones enjoyment of a true online gaming experience
this has been covered dozens of times before - cracking xbl will kill it
anyone who is trying to do this is purley for kudos - not for the good of the scene
and as you want to play your originals and whatever else etc. You've been able to do this for a year now. its nothing new. its called a mod.
Post by: Telemachus on July 19, 2003, 06:13:00 AM
Kiddies see all the stuff they can do, and get addicted.
Kiddies erase the 007 savegame file, the original fonts, and default.xbe.
Kiddies are screwed.
Kiddies buy a mod chip.
This exploit is also great for those of us who have mod chips, because we can play around with it with no problem getting out of trouble.
Which brings me to the question: BenJeremy, you haven't even TRIED this thing yet?
Not much to lose as long as evoxdash (or,
, MXM renamed as so) is on the C: drive, and your chip can boot it.
Post by: Ubergeek on July 19, 2003, 06:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (BleedingEdge @ Jul 19 2003, 01:29 PM) |
| Just another day of typical Ubergeek and Benjerremy posts. Dont you guys get it anything that looks like taking sales from executor gets flamed Just look at theyre previous posts on similar subjects Didnt the scene know that if it doesnt come from executor the scene doesnt deserve to have it? let me get this right we have a guy that is on an anti piracy high horse that releases a program thats compiled with the XDK oh yeah and then he asks for donations for his time etc lol isnt that the pot calling the kettle black. Open your eyes people its time to stop looking thru those rose coloured glasses. ffs |
erm you've been able to use cheapmods and flashing the tsop since day one
this is just yet another exploit - why the fuck should I care about sales or whatever ?
ppl will always buy our mods who want the absolute best solution - and there are others who just dont buy mods who like to fuck with exploits - the scene is supposed to be varied
but if you notice i havent posted ANYTHINg against any exploit - especially this one - i simply made a comment on xbox live
now take your fucktard rose colored comments and shove them as the're complete pish
in case you hadnt noticed this particular exploit is being used with our bios - which has always been free i might add
Post by: tutu on July 19, 2003, 06:21:00 AM
Ubergeek, I do not wan't Xbox live to be hacked at all as I am thoroughly enjoying the two days I've had it.
MS are doing a promotion in Europe atm with XBL (free game until 31st July), couldn't resist to get it.
Ghost Recon, Moto GP on XBL rocks
XBL would be ruined with backups and cheats, this is something I entirely agree with you on.
I hope it doesn't happen.
Needless to say I just wan't use XBMP/Emulators and I am still waiting for the new X2 2.2 plus
Post by: ||Zeus|| on July 19, 2003, 06:23:00 AM
Post by: caustic on July 19, 2003, 06:25:00 AM
I am still interested in this question, and i will be watching developments closley.
Post by: tutu on July 19, 2003, 06:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (caustic @ Jul 19 2003, 02:18 PM) |
| I dont think the original XBL quesion was wanting to run backups on XBL, but rather have the exploit installed, but still be able to boot your xbox to a non-modded state so that you can play with originals as normal. I am still interested in this question, and i will be watching developments closley. |
Thanks
Someone understood what I mean't hehe
Post by: XanTium on July 19, 2003, 06:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (tutu @ Jul 19 2003, 04:19 PM) | ||
Thanks Someone understood what I mean't hehe |
that's very easy I guess.
Open tray, put dvd in, close tray, shut down xbox, boot xbox.
xbox will directly boot from dvd (not boot dash, so also not boot the exploit).
edit: note that the hacked xtf/st.sb files are still on your HD. But so far MS is doing anything against it.
The bios/kernel in mem. should be clean though.
Post by: BenJeremy on July 19, 2003, 06:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (Telemachus @ Jul 19 2003, 10:06 AM) |
| The point is, this whole exploit is (currently) good for mod-chips. Kiddies see all the stuff they can do, and get addicted. Kiddies erase the 007 savegame file, the original fonts, and default.xbe. Kiddies are screwed. Kiddies buy a mod chip. This exploit is also great for those of us who have mod chips, because we can play around with it with no problem getting out of trouble. Which brings me to the question: BenJeremy, you haven't even TRIED this thing yet? Not much to lose as long as evoxdash (or, , MXM renamed as so) is on the C: drive, and your chip can boot it. |
Well, I've actually got a few other things on my plate before I even get to that.... but I intend to, if I can squeeze in the time (I have to make sure I have all my ducks in a row.)
What it means, if I do it, is using an original drive (Have to unlock the spare one that's out at the moment), setting it up "fresh", and playing with my "family box" - but my living room is currently in disarray (Big screen TV blew up a while back, and I haven't sorted things back since the repair took place) and my Dev Box is, well, for development...
I'd want to make sure I had the time to recover if something messed up, and I can't even scrounge time to do it in the first place, let alone the extra time I want for the project.
HOWEVER, I do have 007:AUF and a memory card, so those that think I'm somehow 100% against the exploits are so far off base, it's not even funny.
Post by: BenJeremy on July 19, 2003, 06:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (tutu @ Jul 19 2003, 10:19 AM) | ||
Thanks Someone understood what I mean't hehe |
Look back to my original response to you through Uber's post.... I understood as well.
The big thing is, however, that XBL can (and I don't see why they wouldn't) muck about and "fix" your broken dashboard files for you.
I people are happy about going through the messy procedure all the time, after they play XBL games, :::shrug:::
As I've also stated before, I can think of several things M$ can do to make life hell for exploiters... and make the practice impossible on future Xboxes. Whether they go to those lengths or not, who knows...
Post by: Telemachus on July 19, 2003, 06:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (XanTium @ Jul 19 2003, 03:26 PM) | ||||
that's very easy I guess. Open tray, put dvd in, close tray, shut down xbox, boot xbox. xbox will directly boot from dvd (not boot dash, so also not boot the exploit). edit: note that the hacked xtf/st.sb files are still on your HD. But so far MS is doing anything against it. The bios/kernel in mem. should be clean though. |
YOu have to admit... that is almost as easy as flipping a switch on a mod-chip, if not easier.
Might be a little discomforting... but technically it should work great.
BTW: Totally off topic question... has anyone ever actually PLAYED 007?
Maybe the 16 bucks at Target would be well spent... although MechAssault is a fun game, for $35.
Post by: oneeyedelf on July 19, 2003, 07:33:00 AM
Post by: Troed on July 19, 2003, 07:45:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jul 19 2003, 01:13 PM) |
| ...and I'd really like to see you explain HOW this hack will EVER let them play Xbox Live with 100% assurance. How am I wrong on this? I'm NOT. I've been doing this (Xbox) for over a year now... but consoles in general for many, many years, and I've got 20 years experience writing software. I know from whence I talk, and my caution is stated out of concern for USERS, not modchip makers. |
It's software that detects whether the bios shadow in ram has been changed or not.
Software on a modded box is under our control.
Any software.
Updated software aswell.
Imagine running cxbx as a VM around any software not passing a checksum test. The scene would distribute checksums of all XBEs found not f*cking up a softmod or an xboxlive-hack - any software not passing the checksum would be run in that VM to see what it would do. If it was found to muck around with softmod files or xboxlive-hack files would be disallowed to do those changes, and since its checksum wouldn't be in the OK'd database it wouldn't run on other boxes either. If the software would perform a needed update a cracked update could be distributed instead.
The above is the _big_ all-in-all solution, I have no hopes of seing it implemented. I have big hopes of seing modded boxes on XboxLive in the near future though (some already are, and have been for quite some time).
Why?
I don't like MS. Deal with it.
Post by: IHG on July 19, 2003, 07:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (Telemachus @ Jul 19 2003, 04:34 PM) | ||||||
YOu have to admit... that is almost as easy as flipping a switch on a mod-chip, if not easier. Might be a little discomforting... but technically it should work great. BTW: Totally off topic question... has anyone ever actually PLAYED 007? Maybe the 16 bucks at Target would be well spent... although MechAssault is a fun game, for $35. |
Maybe it's easy but it's not guaranteed to work in the future... (also stated in other posts).
Post by: PiP on July 19, 2003, 07:57:00 AM
Post by: Telemachus on July 19, 2003, 07:57:00 AM
Post by: IHG on July 19, 2003, 08:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (PiP @ Jul 19 2003, 05:50 PM) |
| would you be able to use the Phoenix Bios Loader to load up a retail 4034 bios, for example, to be able to go on xbox live if you have a tsop flash of an x2 4977 bios? |
Read their .nfo, they are trying to load retail bioses as well.
| QUOTE |
| But anything M$ does to stop that from working (ie: examining files on C:) will also stop modded xbox's from working. |
Post by: sharkzor on July 19, 2003, 08:30:00 AM
installing it with xlinux whas very easy.
playing games whas a bit tricky. i had to boot without a cd/dvd in the drive and when the phoenix logo came up, quickly insert a game. only then the play dvd game option came available.
but now i could finally flash my cheap lpc mod(15$) that came without a bios in it
my xbox: v1.1 K4817 D4920
Post by: BenJeremy on July 19, 2003, 08:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (Troed @ Jul 19 2003, 11:38 AM) | ||
It's software that detects whether the bios shadow in ram has been changed or not. Software on a modded box is under our control. Any software. Updated software aswell. Imagine running cxbx as a VM around any software not passing a checksum test. The scene would distribute checksums of all XBEs found not f*cking up a softmod or an xboxlive-hack - any software not passing the checksum would be run in that VM to see what it would do. If it was found to muck around with softmod files or xboxlive-hack files would be disallowed to do those changes, and since its checksum wouldn't be in the OK'd database it wouldn't run on other boxes either. If the software would perform a needed update a cracked update could be distributed instead. The above is the _big_ all-in-all solution, I have no hopes of seing it implemented. I have big hopes of seing modded boxes on XboxLive in the near future though (some already are, and have been for quite some time). Why? I don't like MS. Deal with it. |
Heh heh... yeah, I know some modded system are already running on XBL, and you should know enough to do that yourself (it's probably the only way it will get released to the general public, since you are a very small minority of the "knowledged people" who want the XBL hacks free).
As you said, though, it will likely never happen, for many, many reasons - some selfish, some paranoid, and some well-thought out reasons.
Killing the Xbox is no reason to be in the scene though, Troed. "Killing" the Xbox will do nothing but ultimately screw over the users here; M$ will simply move on to Xbox2 and close every loophole you can think of and many more we haven't. I've said it before: M$ expects Xbox to be a runner up in the console game, and to lose money - it's a STRATEGIC move, and modders only represent a very minor threat. XBL is their baby, and expect them to react with full vengeance if that gets threatened, even in the smallest measure. It won't really hurt them, just force them to move on and force them to forsake their faithful Xbox customers - and they can lay the blame SQUARELY on the modders and exploiters.
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 08:56:00 AM
We now believe the reset on eject problem may be related to the BiCoE fonts, and the Complex !loader being used in conjunction with this application. It is being looked into.
We also now believe that the flashing red led problem may be easily soveable with a hexeditor! We're also looking into this.
More info coming soon!
--Artifex
Post by: Cain on July 19, 2003, 09:19:00 AM
The eject button would reset the xbox and the tray would be pulled back in.
I came to the conclusion that it was probably related to the use of !Loader as the default.xbe, and seing as the BIOS Loader was working well except for this, i decided to go ahead and replace it.
All works fine now. No such problems.
I would suggest (after testing) to get rid of loader in all its forms i.e. As default.xbe and the BiCoE fonts.
Post by: Benu on July 19, 2003, 09:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Jul 19 2003, 05:49 PM) |
| We also now believe that the flashing red led problem may be easily soveable with a hexeditor! We're also looking into this. |
sounds interesting!
Post by: underthebridge on July 19, 2003, 09:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Jul 19 2003, 05:49 PM) |
| Can we move the flaming to another thread, perhaps? This WAS a good thread for information on this application. We now believe the reset on eject problem may be related to the BiCoE fonts, and the Complex !loader being used in conjunction with this application. It is being looked into. We also now believe that the flashing red led problem may be easily soveable with a hexeditor! We're also looking into this. More info coming soon! --Artifex |
nice to know we have a Phoenix team member lettin us know what's happenin
thx
Post by: xdreamer on July 19, 2003, 09:42:00 AM
http://www.nopiracy.de/bigfonts.tgz which seems to be again
updated you would not have a blinking red light anymore....
Post by: Benu on July 19, 2003, 09:46:00 AM
Post by: xdreamer on July 19, 2003, 09:48:00 AM
the readme says that it was deactivated.
Post by: XanTium on July 19, 2003, 09:56:00 AM
I think it was released for testing.
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 10:30:00 AM
You see, both BiCoE and complex !loader patch bytes into specific locations in memory. However, because the x2 4977 bfm bios is a bit abnormal, these locations for the patches end up a little off. So... problems ensue.
Red-led fix coming as soon as we test!
--Artifex
Post by: Benu on July 19, 2003, 10:05:00 AM
I'm gonna try the new one now...
sorry
Post by: xdreamer on July 19, 2003, 10:34:00 AM
I do not know if this is official released or not... Just because it is
not on xbox news sites or xbins.org doesnt mean it isnt released...
Test or not, it is the most stable of the font exploits out... So I
continue to advertise it. I dislike seeing all the newbies breaking
their boxes because of dead clocks...
Post by: Benu on July 19, 2003, 10:42:00 AM
used the link you provided for the files, and now it works 100%* perfect with no blinking LED!! thanks!!
* well, one problem left, is that the menu DVD selection doesnt update. You have to go into an app, back out, and then you can select play DVD. Or just boot with disc in.
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 10:57:00 AM
You must open ernie.xtf in a hex editor, and search for the byte A0. In bigfonts it is at offset 0xF111B5. (edit: it has also been reported to be at 0xF111A7, although this is unconfirmed.) In the original version its at offset 0x76FF35. In reloaded, it will be at 0x958459. Dont use BiCoE, as stated previously.
Edit: regardless of version, the surrounding bytes should make the area around the A0 to be: 7D 55 68 A0 00 00 00 or something very very similar. :-D
Find this byte and change it from A0 (red blink) to 0F (solid green), F0 (for solid red), or FF (for solid orange).
Please let me know if this doesnt solve the problem, as we're not sure that it will solve it universally. :-)
--Artifex
This post has been edited by Artifex: Jul 19 2003, 06:36 PM
Post by: LafferUSA on July 19, 2003, 11:01:00 AM
Post by: xdreamer on July 19, 2003, 11:02:00 AM
Because the new bigfonts (that are from today)
do have the blinking already removed...
Post by: Hajaz on July 19, 2003, 11:07:00 AM
Also witch bios did they put in the signed one
This post has been edited by Hajaz: Jul 19 2003, 06:15 PM
Post by: matt03 on July 19, 2003, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: mtj on July 19, 2003, 11:38:00 AM
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 11:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (matt03 @ Jul 19 2003, 07:59 PM) |
| It seems like everyone is starting to get this to work. Great Job Pheonix crew. Now, any word on new bioses? A vga bios would be nice. Or a debug bios. And how are you going to go about adding the compatibility? By patching your software or patching the individual bioses? Thanks again. |
Thanks.
New bioses? Well, in theory, getting the other BFM bioses working shouldnt be very difficult. All BFM bioses are debug bioses... yes, x2 4977 bfm is a debug bios! We'd also very much like to see a vga bios working, and this will come in good time. Retail and retail derivative bioses will take the most effort, but again, all in good time. :-)
Patching our software or patching the bioses? Hehehe... well, a bit of both is needed, and some luck, and some magic. :-D
If you really want an in-depth technical explanation, i suppose i could provide you with one. But i doubt you really do.
--Artifex
Post by: underthebridge on July 19, 2003, 11:46:00 AM
This post has been edited by underthebridge: Jul 19 2003, 06:47 PM
Post by: igotgame on July 19, 2003, 11:52:00 AM
gotta tell my friend about this..he will indeed be happy
does this work if he is just using bert and ernie reloaded fonts in conjuction with the BICOE default.xbe and evox.ini??
in other words he is not using the Bios Loader yet so will this LED fix still work for him?
This post has been edited by igotgame: Jul 19 2003, 06:53 PM
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 12:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (igotgame @ Jul 19 2003, 08:16 PM) |
| cool deal..so this works with RELOADED too.. gotta tell my friend about this..he will indeed be happy does this work if he is just using bert and ernie reloaded fonts in conjuction with the BICOE default.xbe and evox.ini?? in other words he is not using the Bios Loader yet so will this LED fix still work for him? |
Yes.
But the reloaded fonts are somewhat silly, as they dont do much towards fixing the cmos time problem.
Post by: erikman on July 19, 2003, 11:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (Benu @ Jul 19 2003, 07:06 PM) |
| well, one problem left, is that the menu DVD selection doesnt update. You have to go into an app, back out, and then you can select play DVD. Or just boot with disc in. |
I have the same problem. But I guess it will be fixed soon enough.
Post by: matt03 on July 19, 2003, 11:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Jul 19 2003, 07:04 PM) |
| If you really want an in-depth technical explanation, i suppose i could provide you with one. But i doubt you really do. |
No, no need. You included your source (thanks, btw), and I've pretty much figured things out.
Post by: Johno on July 19, 2003, 11:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Jul 19 2003, 08:26 PM) | ||
Yes. But the reloaded fonts are somewhat silly, as they dont do much towards fixing the cmos time problem. |
Xdreamer said that the reloaded fonts do fix the reset time problem!
Who is right?? Do the reloaded fonts fix the clock problem or not????
So confusing!
Post by: igotgame on July 19, 2003, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: xdreamer on July 19, 2003, 12:21:00 PM
my boxes). But reloaded's way to fix the clock does not
work on all boxes... It just worked on one box for me and
only 2 times...
Post by: metalcoat on July 19, 2003, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: Hajaz on July 19, 2003, 12:35:00 PM
A short step by step explanation on how to go from BiCoE to "signed phoenix bios loader" would be very nice. I dont wanna fk up my xbox by doing this too fast
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 01:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (Hajaz @ Jul 19 2003, 09:28 PM) |
| gah! people keep refering to bert and ernie but i only got the bert.xtf file (cant remember witch was witch) and that snuffleupagus.xtf witch ive renamed to xbox.xtf or xbox book.xtf or smt. Could someone plz fill me in on what bert and ernie files ure on about, and what to do exactly with that bigfonts file that was posted earlier A short step by step explanation on how to go from BiCoE to "signed phoenix bios loader" would be very nice. I dont wanna fk up my xbox by doing this too fast |
dont use bicoe, use bigfonts, which is another bert&ernie release from free-x.
Bicoe is incompatible.
Installing bert&ernie has been well convered elsewhere (UTFSE!).
--Artifex
Post by: underthebridge on July 19, 2003, 01:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (underthebridge @ Jul 19 2003, 08:10 PM) |
| does somebody still have the old bigfonts (the one where the red led wasn't fixed yet) ? If so can you post a dl link plz? I can't change the led color with the new one... thx |
Artifex you seem to still have this, if it's no bother...
Post by: tutu on July 19, 2003, 01:23:00 PM
It loads the X2 bios from the save and executes evoxdash on c:
A tutorial is here:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act=ST&f=44&t=79331
Post by: Hajaz on July 19, 2003, 01:48:00 PM
Post by: chip on July 19, 2003, 01:52:00 PM
http://www.dietk.com/bert-ernie-big-font-green-light.rar
Post by: keystroke on July 19, 2003, 02:20:00 PM
that should then boot the xecuter bios everytime with no dramas ?
Post by: mojojojo on July 19, 2003, 02:29:00 PM
boy this hack has been great ive done 3 boxes this way now ive had no probs with reloaded but i guess ill use these
bigfonts. if any one cares when i go into avalaunch it fixes the led to green even if you go back to the evox screen.
got this working on 1. a modded box that has a switch
2. and 3 two late 2002 unmodded boxes all with reloaded.
the hack did work with !loader but as others have stated there was no eject.it also worked as an app on my modded box. i couldnt get the habibi to sign the xbe so i couldnt test it .
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 04:16:00 PM
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 04:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 20 2003, 01:09 AM) |
| Artifex, can you explain to me why exactly the BICOE fonts left the LED the same 3 different colors, and the RELOADED fonts changed it from blinking red(which i had to hex edit) to make it solid red(i prefer red over green)i was just wondering what was different about the BICOE and RELOADED LED hex values to make them even make the problem in the first place |
the font exploit explicitly sets the led blink. The free-x versions made it solid red (A0). our version made it red, orange, green, orange (A7, i believe), simply to distinguish.
Thats all. :-)
--Artifex
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 04:45:00 PM
I'll still help with any bugs, or new problems that people run into, but i think i've said all i can on the existing stuff.
I'm glad our release has received sunch an overwhelmingly positive response from the scene. We've opened alot of eyes, turned alot of heads, and brought a lot of new people into the scene.
Don't expect this to be the last you hear from us, this is just the begininng. Alot of people said that this release is going to be a hard act to follow, but this is just the tip of the iceburg. We will have a few mundane releases, it's true, but... we will also blow your mind time and time again. This is JUST the beginning. From here on out, everything changes.
Phoenix... Rising from the ashes of the modchip era.
(Gracefully and respectfully burying the remnants of our ancestors.)
--Artifex
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 04:48:00 PM
Post by: UnhappyKlown3 on July 19, 2003, 04:55:00 PM
I have it running perfectly, with no rset on eject, and a solid green light, and complete access to the MS Dashboard. All that's left to fix is the whole entire "Run DVD Game not getting updated when you put a disc in the tray" thing and some IGR bugs.
Thanks again, to Phoenix, these forums, and the whole scene entirely.
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 04:57:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 05:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (UnhappyKlown3 @ Jul 20 2003, 01:48 AM) |
| I just want to thank the whole entire Phoenix Team for their hard work. I guess you guys caught up on that sleep you mentioned in the BiCoE nfo, eh? I have it running perfectly, with no rset on eject, and a solid green light, and complete access to the MS Dashboard. All that's left to fix is the whole entire "Run DVD Game not getting updated when you put a disc in the tray" thing and some IGR bugs. Thanks again, to Phoenix, these forums, and the whole scene entirely. |
try putting in the disk..
opening an aplication that allows you to go "back to dashboard"..
click go back to dashboard..
voila,its selectable(i believe its a refresh issue)
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 19, 2003, 05:05:00 PM
Everything seems to mostly be okay. However, I have one game now that seems not to want to work from the hdd. a while back i put my Enter the Matrix game to hdd, which was a serious pain in the ass btw, but eventually found a way to get it to work. I had to start up with avalaunch dash and ftp the game contents from my computer, then switch back to evox, cuz I like it a lil better. Think the problem was there were a few files that wouldn't copy over in evox because their names were too long. Anyway, I got the game to work no problems...but since the bios loader came along, I've removed my matrix chip to work on some other boxes and am just running from this. I noticed this afternoon, however, that I couldn't get this game to play.
Granted, I haven't stuck in any of the new bert and ernie xtf's yet....I'll try that and see if it helps. In the meantime, anybody else experience a problem like this, or am I the only one?
*edit* switching to the new bert and ernie didn't seem to help. you hear the atari demo play, but you can't see it. then it simply freezes on a black screen...
Post by: mojojojo on July 19, 2003, 05:41:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| (Gracefully and respectfully burying the remnants of our ancestors.) |
hell yeah WOOT!
this has been the best and most fun shit all year
thanks
Post by: AuXBoXx on July 19, 2003, 06:03:00 PM
00 for no light
AF for Blinking Orange Green
FA for Blinking Red Orange
0A for Blinking Green
0F for Solid Green
A0 for Blinking Red
F0 for Solid Red
FF for Solid Orange
AA for Blinking Orange
And only upload ernie to fonts
Post by: sarcoptic on July 19, 2003, 06:39:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 06:51:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 06:52:00 PM
-my appologies
Post by: Whatup1049 on July 19, 2003, 07:02:00 PM
BAHAHAHAAA
Post by: UnhappyKlown3 on July 19, 2003, 07:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (sarcoptic @ Jul 19 2003, 09:32 PM) |
| HappyKlown what did you modify so you are able to boot back to MS Dashboard? I just installed bigfonts and have the blinking LED fixed, but booting to msdashboard if needed would be nice. |
I used this thread: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?act=ST&f=45&t=74036
If you don't feel confortable hex editing, I'll gladly send you the edited .xbe file if you PM me your email address.
Post by: igotgame on July 19, 2003, 07:37:00 PM
and do you have to sign everything still with these files?
I was just wondering because everything seems to work fine on my friends xbox, but he has to sign everything...
with this default.xbe and evox.ini does he still need to sign everything and is it possible to run this without the RC4 key and bios?
Post by: AuXBoXx on July 19, 2003, 07:38:00 PM
Just rename the original Xbox.xtf and Xbox Book.xtf in the Fonts folder to Xbox.xft and Xbox Book.xft and leave bert and ernie
then i found i had to have hex workshop for this to work. Make a copy of the original msdash then open it in hex workshop.
Find
.XTF
Type : Text String
Unicode String
Then find all of them and change from xtf to xft
once all have been changed save
then copy xbedump to the folder and goto command prompt
get to the folder with the new msdash you hex edited and type
xbedump (new msdash name.xbe) -font
then ftp the new msdash to the c: drive of your xbox.
go to evox.ini and change the msdashboard link to the new file upoaded
thats it
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: igotgame on July 19, 2003, 07:49:00 PM
Complete_signed_phoenix_loader.rar
copy it to C:
and put BIGFONTS bert and ernie in the c:/fonts folder....
thats all you gotta do??
can you leave your hacked ms dash the way it is??
Post by: AuXBoXx on July 19, 2003, 07:56:00 PM
then add the hacked msdash to c: as xboxdash.xbe and rename the original to something else like xboxdashorig.xbe
thats it
Post by: Cain on July 19, 2003, 08:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (AuXBoXx @ Jul 20 2003, 03:49 AM) |
| do exactly what the Complete_Signed_Phoenix_Bios_Loader .nfo says then add the hacked msdash to c: as xboxdash.xbe and rename the original to something else like xboxdashorig.xbe thats it |
DO NOT DO THAT.
Leave the original with the original name (xboxdash.xbe) and call the edited version something else.
Otherwise you're xbox will fail to boot.
Post by: igotgame on July 19, 2003, 08:03:00 PM
he has the hacked ms dash named newdash.xbe on his c: drive right now
so he just needs to name it (it being his hacked dash) xboxdash.xbe so that it will boot through evox using the x2 bios right??
EDIT:
wait..so he needs to original dash on there as xboxdash.xbe??
and leave his hacked one named newdash.xbe on the c: drive?
can he use his old EVOX.ini file?? or does he need to use the new one?
and which ms dash will EVOX look for to boot?
Post by: Jacob2003 on July 19, 2003, 08:03:00 PM
Before you flame me, xbins is down.
***edit***
I'm going to bed so nevermind now.
Post by: igotgame on July 19, 2003, 08:07:00 PM
can you read my edit above..thanks man
does he need to point the ini file to xboxdash.xbe or the hacked dash?
Post by: AuXBoXx on July 19, 2003, 08:08:00 PM
Post by: igotgame on July 19, 2003, 08:10:00 PM
so he can just leave his old INI file the way it is...
and basically just copy the contents of this rar file to the c: drive
thanks for clearing that up for me man
Post by: AuXBoXx on July 19, 2003, 08:16:00 PM
But the original is linked to the original.
you'll have to change it if it is
Post by: igotgame on July 19, 2003, 08:20:00 PM
he has the hacked one linked right now and on the c: drive..
so it should be fine
Post by: AuXBoXx on July 19, 2003, 08:23:00 PM
It doesnt matter if it isnt cause it just wont boot to the msdash
Post by: Wooger on July 19, 2003, 08:23:00 PM
Wooger
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 08:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (Wooger @ Jul 20 2003, 05:16 AM) |
| So has anyone successfully signed this with habibi and booted it from a save game? Wooger |
yes.
:-)
--Artifex
Post by: bigguns on July 19, 2003, 08:46:00 PM
Thanks again
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 09:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Jul 20 2003, 05:46 AM) | ||
yes. :-) --Artifex |
any coming soon releases?
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 09:07:00 PM
If you use the loader, then press any buttons on the dvd remote, the box reboots or shuts down!
Anyone having/not having this problem? pm me or post a reply?
Want to get as much info as possible so we can get this resolved!
--Artifex
Post by: cmcd on July 19, 2003, 09:08:00 PM
we are working to try and fix this at the moment so hopefully not long
Just remember people this is all alpha not even beta yet the reason we released is because it was working perfectly on all boxes we had access to in ntsc and pal across every different version.
Like al things at this stage BEWARE unless u have a mod or a made you can borrow one off please dont try this stuff yet.
Cheers
-OzShAdOw
This post has been edited by cmcd: Jul 20 2003, 04:13 AM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 09:24:00 PM
This post has been edited by vintage_guitar: Jul 20 2003, 04:52 AM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 09:29:00 PM
ive just determined that if you press skip to next track on the remote, it resets, or skip to previous but the pad where u can select options and the select button work
This post has been edited by vintage_guitar: Jul 20 2003, 04:37 AM
Post by: xilicio on July 19, 2003, 09:36:00 PM
When I put a game in Evox recognizes but I cant launch it from EVOX..well at least it`s better than BICOE where you get an error 21 .
Post by: tjfontaine on July 19, 2003, 09:41:00 PM
1. ) load evox (no dvd in)
2. ) insert dvd
3. ) do the jump to MS Dash (reloads x2 4977 and correspondingly evox)
that should get evox to relaize that its there on startup
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 19, 2003, 09:42:00 PM
I've definitely experienced the DVD player with remote issue. was doing this stuff to a friend's box, he's got the remote. I experienced resets when you press the menu button. waited for the dvd to get to the menu on it's own, and hit select on the main movie, and it started to play. then hit fast forward, and got a reset.
hope this info is helpful,
-nsn
p.s. also did you note my post earlier about getting enter the matrix to play from hdd with this hack? curious if anybody else had this issue.
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 09:46:00 PM
Post by: xilicio on July 19, 2003, 09:47:00 PM
Post by: {later} on July 19, 2003, 10:11:00 PM
It boots and then resets for about 10 times, and then it goes back to the phoenix loader!
So I guess everything is fixed now
I only wonder what the 'new' bigfonts release will do. Does it only has a modified LED or are there more changes? Maybe that it fixes the clock immediately instead of after 10 boots.
Post by: xilicio on July 19, 2003, 10:16:00 PM
Im using the Reloaded ones and I havent had any clock issues just that LED blnking red...I will fix it soon by the hex-edit method.
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 10:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (tjfontaine @ Jul 20 2003, 07:22 AM) |
| You should use either the orginial font hack files (dayX) or the bigfonts version |
why DayX?
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 19, 2003, 10:30:00 PM
Post by: xilicio on July 19, 2003, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: Artifex on July 19, 2003, 11:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (xilicio @ Jul 20 2003, 07:16 AM) |
| I havent used Big Fonts yet..because its experimental so I wouldnt like messing with my Xbox. Im using the Reloaded ones and I havent had any clock issues just that LED blnking red...I will fix it soon by the hex-edit method. |
We're not even a month in the 'the new way.....'
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it's ALL experimental at this point. :-)
And isnt it all experimental anyways? The whole xbox scene, everything thats done is experimental.
--Artifex
Post by: {later} on July 19, 2003, 11:18:00 PM
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 20, 2003, 12:41:00 AM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 20 2003, 01:46 AM) |
| i dont thin this is just a porblem with the matrix, i havent gotton ANY DVD's to run without power on with DVD in..as in, i dont think ANY DVDs will load when the loader is on first(at least i can't and sounds like noboy else can either) |
the matrix I'm trying to play is the game for xbox, enter the matrix. not the matrix dvd movie. it has been backed up to my hdd, and it used to play with my modchip in...with it off, it won't play the game.
weird...
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 20, 2003, 12:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (dawhiz @ Jul 20 2003, 09:46 AM) |
| Artifex: I read on the front page about dvd remote causing xbox to reboot, thought that would be cool.. that way i could reboot it without getting up.. hehe.. turns out mine doesnt reboot.. still can scroll down to reboot though with it.. but i'm running the new big fonts from today.. the one that fixes the led (just stays green).. so it must fix the problem. |
have you loaded a DVD movie and pressed fast forward/skip to next on the remote?
Post by: Johno on July 20, 2003, 01:25:00 AM
Post by: tutu on July 20, 2003, 01:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (cmcd @ Jul 20 2003, 05:08 AM) |
| Ok we have just signed the default.xbe to work with habibi and tested it now runs from 007 savegame but stops on the LOGO's we are working to try and fix this at the moment so hopefully not long Just remember people this is all alpha not even beta yet the reason we released is because it was working perfectly on all boxes we had access to in ntsc and pal across every different version. Like al things at this stage BEWARE unless u have a mod or a made you can borrow one off please dont try this stuff yet. Cheers -OzShAdOw |
I have created a tutorial for this:
http://forums.xbox-s...ST&f=44&t=79331
Which lets you boot Phoenix BIOS loader with the MA/007 save game. It is even on the front page and pinned!!
wootIf anyone wants to release it on xbins all zipped up and ready to go I have no objections
I don't wan't to get into any trouble from MS hehe
But I have one issue.
Evox loads fine. My remote works, and XBEs including homebrew, and a backup of my own game all load.
But reset on eject fix doesn't work!! The tray comes out halfway and reboots
PS You can't replace the fonts etc because I am not using them
Post by: tutu on July 20, 2003, 01:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (Johno @ Jul 20 2003, 09:25 AM) |
| Can someone just clear up a quite question please! Its about the font files! Is is a case of using bert and ernie, bert and ernie reloaded or bigfonts?? Or do I needed bert and ernie reloaded and bigfonts?? If I only need one, can someone just tell me straight which is the best one to use? For this Pheonix Loader (One that fixes reset on dvd eject and clock reset bug would be great) Cheers guys!!! Johno |
Just use bigfonts!
Post by: Hajaz on July 20, 2003, 02:34:00 AM
i have to shut down and turn it on again everytime i want to reboot
any ideas?
Post by: Hajaz on July 20, 2003, 02:51:00 AM
EDIT
ok i replaced the bigfonts with the ones chip posted (bert-ernie-big-font-green-light) and the problem seems to be gone now... weird.
Do Chip's fonts eleminate the clock-problem (and thus the looping thing) aswell?
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 20, 2003, 03:33:00 AM
| QUOTE (AuXBoXx @ Jul 20 2003, 02:56 AM) |
| It doesnt matter what line A0 is on just change those to letter numbers to: 00 for no light AF for Blinking Orange Green FA for Blinking Red Orange 0A for Blinking Green 0F for Solid Green A0 for Blinking Red F0 for Solid Red FF for Solid Orange AA for Blinking Orange And only upload ernie to fonts |
somebody should make an LED changing tutorial included with this
Post by: Hajaz on July 20, 2003, 04:26:00 AM
Is the launch dvd option the only way to launch a backup in evox?
<--- evoxnoob
Post by: Hajaz on July 20, 2003, 05:09:00 AM
ftp to your xbox, find phoenix.raw
transfer the file over to your pc
open the file with photoshop or other editor
input these setting for the file
Dimensions
width: 640
Height: 480
Channels
Count: 3
check on Interleaved
Depth: 8 bits
Header
Size 0 bytes
Then you can create your own opening logo / message.
Save as phoenix.raw
upload the file to your xbox and over write the existing file"
has anyone tried this yet?
itd be nice if someone put some nicer looking intros online as i sure dont have the skills to make my own :|
Post by: LafferUSA on July 20, 2003, 05:16:00 AM
Post by: {later} on July 20, 2003, 05:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (LafferUSA @ Jul 20 2003, 02:16 PM) |
| I just deleted that sonovabitch RAW file. I couldn't stand that EAGLE!!! LOL Artifex |
And does it still work without the phoenix.raw file?
Post by: Hajaz on July 20, 2003, 06:06:00 AM
Post by: GJCD on July 20, 2003, 06:51:00 AM
When I click it it goes to a black screen, and I have to reboot.
In evox.ini I have (MSDashBoard= "c:xboxdash.xbe") but there aren´t any xboxdash.xbe in the C drive of the Xbox. I have the evoxdash.xbe (I think is this name) and a defaul.xbe.
Should I rename this default.xbe to xboxdash.xbe?
Can I have any problem doing this next time I boot?
Thanks.
Post by: Telemachus on July 20, 2003, 06:55:00 AM
Artifex, I have tested this pretty thouroughly (been running the XBOX without the chip on for last 3 days, and have watched several DVD movies...)
The DVD remote works without flaws. It navigates through MXM, evox, and DVD movies. I can ff, rw, menu nav, whatever.
They KEY is, I have to run the DVD through evolution X (launch DVD).
Of course, if you put the DVD in before Pheonix even loads, the DVD remote will not work. Trying to navigate will cause a system reset (somehow related to the orinigal BIOS/DVD player/missing fonts).
I am using the original Bigfontz, which I have Hex Edited to be permanently Red.
Post by: Telemachus on July 20, 2003, 06:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (GJCD @ Jul 20 2003, 03:51 PM) |
| I have the Complete_Signed_Phoenix_Bios_Loader and the bert-ernie-big-font-green-light.rar and everything is working fine, except the option MSDASBOARD in the evox menu. When I click it it goes to a black screen, and I have to reboot. In evox.ini I have (MSDashBoard= "c:xboxdash.xbe") but there aren´t any xboxdash.xbe in the C drive of the Xbox. I have the evoxdash.xbe (I think is this name) and a defaul.xbe. Should I rename this default.xbe to xboxdash.xbe? Can I have any problem doing this next time I boot? Thanks. |
hhehe...
what and the freak did you do to the original XBOXDASH??
Don't touch that, dude. Find it in your backup and PUT IT BACK!
Then do a search for username KRAKEN and learn how to fix the MSDASH.
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 20, 2003, 06:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (Telemachus @ Jul 20 2003, 03:55 PM) |
| Very curious, all of this. Artifex, I have tested this pretty thouroughly (been running the XBOX without the chip on for last 3 days, and have watched several DVD movies...) The DVD remote works without flaws. It navigates through MXM, evox, and DVD movies. I can ff, rw, menu nav, whatever. They KEY is, I have to run the DVD through evolution X (launch DVD). Of course, if you put the DVD in before Pheonix even loads, the DVD remote will not work. Trying to navigate will cause a system reset (somehow related to the orinigal BIOS/DVD player/missing fonts). I am using the original Bigfontz, which I have Hex Edited to be permanently Red. |
i can't get any DVD movies to boot from the evox menu? they hang up for me every single time, i have to eject to go back to evox
Post by: Cain on July 20, 2003, 07:00:00 AM
| QUOTE (GJCD @ Jul 20 2003, 02:51 PM) |
| everything is working fine ... but there aren´t any xboxdash.xbe in the C drive of the Xbox... |
I dont believe you
Post by: vintage_guitar on July 20, 2003, 07:19:00 AM
DVDPlayer = "c:default.xbe"
AutoLaunchAudio = No
right there..what do you have it set too? paste it if you will?
that's a nasty thing you did in the pheonix file, swapping the default DVD player lmao!..i just now noticed,and that fixed my problem loading it, but i still have the remote reset problem
Post by: igotgame on July 20, 2003, 08:00:00 AM
with this new loader I understand that you don't need to sign anything...so will the games I signed for him work?? or will he need to copy them to his pc and me give him the original default.xbe's for the games??
Post by: stealth on July 20, 2003, 08:11:00 AM
to recompile you will need gcc 3.2.2 or greater as well as perl installed.
there is a simple if/else statement in load.c which decides whether to do the intro animation or the splash screen. You can just comment that part out.
Post by: Mordenkainen on July 20, 2003, 08:12:00 AM
Then the only place the hacked is the save game. And if your really paranoid you can put this on a mem card when not in use!
Morden.
Post by: igotgame on July 20, 2003, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: Telemachus on July 20, 2003, 08:43:00 AM
| QUOTE (vintage_guitar @ Jul 20 2003, 04:19 PM) |
| Telemachus what is your DVD set to in the evox.ini? DVDPlayer = "c:default.xbe" AutoLaunchAudio = No right there..what do you have it set too? paste it if you will? that's a nasty thing you did in the pheonix file, swapping the default DVD player lmao!..i just now noticed,and that fixed my problem loading it, but i still have the remote reset problem |
I did not use the stock evox.ini
I have all links (audio, DVD, game) in the .ini set to "C:MXBOXDASH"
That is my modified version of the dash.
Post by: Artifex on July 20, 2003, 10:20:00 AM
--Artifex
Post by: Hajaz on July 20, 2003, 10:36:00 AM
on a side note, the launch DVD option works right away for me... i have a 4037 kernel v1xb
Post by: Artifex on July 20, 2003, 12:49:00 PM
New official phoenix support/info forum!
Check it out!
--Artifex
Post by: Hajaz on July 20, 2003, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: igotgame on July 20, 2003, 03:10:00 PM
I know I will not have to sign them anymore...but I was just wondering if the games I have burned that are signed already..will they boot with the new bios loader?
Post by: igotgame on July 20, 2003, 03:37:00 PM
in system utilities by BIOS Version:
should it say X2 4977???
my friends say Original Bios 4034
Post by: igotgame on July 20, 2003, 04:02:00 PM
in system utilities..what does yours say under BIOS VERSION??
Post by: Artifex on July 20, 2003, 04:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (igotgame @ Jul 21 2003, 12:37 AM) |
| QUESTION: in system utilities by BIOS Version: should it say X2 4977??? my friends say Original Bios 4034 |
yes, if your friends says 4034 w/ the laoder, then he's doing something wrong
Post by: Hajaz on July 20, 2003, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: Mordenkainen on July 20, 2003, 04:03:00 PM
And...
With the proper RC4 key (or an unencrypted bios) you can open this bios in XBTool and change where it looks for evoxdash.xbe. It appears it has to be in the root of a drive, but using this method you can atleast get all the evox stuff off of C!
Post by: igotgame on July 20, 2003, 04:05:00 PM
loads games..everything works fine..except Run Dvd Game...
wonder how all this works if it says Bios Version: Original Bios 4034
Post by: Mordenkainen on July 20, 2003, 04:42:00 PM
If there is a game in the drive it can be launched by going to the menu item for e: and selecting it. The game in the drive should be listed there.
Post by: XBox_Master_King4469 on July 20, 2003, 04:44:00 PM
no AR or Mem-X Needed!!!!
Post by: truinstinct on July 20, 2003, 04:45:00 PM
Post by: Mordenkainen on July 20, 2003, 04:48:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| to use the phoenix loader w/ BIOS the correct way.....open the top cover of the xbox until you can see its hard drive and CPU, then take a few magnets then run the magnets on it for 2 mins, then leave the magnets on them for 10 mins, then rub your feet on a carpet to get some static electricty and touch the CPU so it shocks it, it will allow any mem stick, card or anything backup device even a external CD Burner almost anything USB, also this will reset the BIOS and allow for you to load BIOS from the phoenix loader w/o soldering anything, there is 1 more way get the static and touch the 2 points you need to solder to defrag them then load the BIOS & load & form of memory/backup thats how no AR or Mem-X Needed!!!! |
You should stop posting this crap... Who knows who will screw up thier box trying it..... we got people here who will try anything because they don't know better. I and most of the other people here know it's a joke.... But for the unfortunate person who doesn't.....
Post by: Mordenkainen on July 20, 2003, 04:51:00 PM
Morden.
Post by: XBox_Master_King4469 on July 20, 2003, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: [)eacon]ndigo on July 21, 2003, 02:02:00 AM
Post by: MIGHTYone on July 21, 2003, 05:55:00 AM
Post by: Hajaz on July 21, 2003, 06:13:00 AM
This has resolved the problem for me, and it solved it for a m8 of mine too.
Post by: Hajaz on July 21, 2003, 09:08:00 AM
Post by: vannguye on July 21, 2003, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: Hajaz on July 21, 2003, 10:42:00 AM
Post by: Wooger on July 23, 2003, 09:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Jul 19 2003, 12:05 AM) |
| I just wanted to dispell some misinformation, and maybe make some kiddie's lives easier. I dont know why there's so much confusion, since the tool was distributed with source! Why cant people just inform themselves? Anyways... sorry... ranting... The rc4 key is unnecessary if one has a bios with an already decrypted 2bl. How to go about making one: Obtain an x2 4977 BFM rom image, 256k Obtain the RC4 key Unpack the x2 4977 BFM bios with xbtool Insert the unpacked 2bl.img over the original 2bl in the rom image This starts at offset 0x6200 (iirc) Make the rom image 1024k using the age-old techniques Upload to the usual sources for all to enjoy. Then, noone will need to go trying to find the rc4 key. To get the RC4 key without blatently breaking laws: Obtain a bios that contains it in the 2bl, and has a decrypted 2bl. (not sure which ones do, offhand. try evoxd6) Open in a hexeditor. Find the key... it's offset will vary, but it will start with the magic letters W and B All the bytes should add up to 0x063D, iirc Also... to cover some other bases: Using complex !loader with this is silly. The whole point of complex !loader is to patch a stock bios at runtime. With this, youre already running a patched bios, so there's no need. A good setup would be to use bert & ernie to launch the Phoenix loader directly, which will in turn load x2 4977 bfm, which will in turn launch evox. A STEP-BY-STEP: Install Bert&Ernie Font exploit as has been covered a million other times Sign Phoenix Loader with the Font exploit key using xbedump. (also well covered) Put RC4 key in config file, and copy to c: copy phoenix.raw to c: Copy signed .xbe to c: put evoxdash.xbe on c: rename x2 4977 bfm bios to xboxkrnl.bin and put on c: Your box will now boot just as if it had a modchip. :-D ENJOY! btw... im extremely tired, so, correct me if any of this is wrong. :-) --Artifex |
Has anyone actually successfully done this?
Ive been trying for some time now and STILL have yet to get it right
Wooger
Post by: Lysip on July 24, 2003, 10:17:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| To get the RC4 key without blatently breaking laws: Obtain a bios that contains it in the 2bl, and has a decrypted 2bl. (not sure which ones do, offhand. try evoxd6) Open in a hexeditor. Find the key... it's offset will vary, but it will start with the magic letters W and B All the bytes should add up to 0x063D, iirc |
I have tried so many times to find an rc4 key but have only failed...
can someone give me a name of a bios that has a Decrypted 2BL with the key in it.
I have tried x2 4977, D6, D6 E.F., TATX Dual Debug
can anybody HELP!?!?!?
Post by: Sarf on July 24, 2003, 10:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (vannguye @ Jul 21 2003, 07:14 PM) |
| Can someone show me how to get the Complete_Signed_Phenonix_Loader.rar in xbins.....I in there but I don't know what to do..... |
EDIT : Sorry Forum rules i remove the information...
Post by: Wooger on July 24, 2003, 11:38:00 AM
Quote from: Sarf,Jul 24 2003, 07:35 PM
Quote from: vannguye,Jul 21 2003, 07:14 PMCan someone show me how to get the Complete_Signed_Phenonix_Loader.rar in xbins.....I in there but I don't know what to do.....
Post by: d0rkboy on July 28, 2003, 01:18:00 AM
| QUOTE (Wooger @ Jul 24 2003, 06:31 AM) | ||
Has anyone actually successfully done this? Ive been trying for some time now and STILL have yet to get it right Wooger |
me too, been through bicoe,reloaded and bigfonts. running on 4034 with old x-ecuter
Post by: Hajaz on July 28, 2003, 03:14:00 AM
Post by: stringa on July 28, 2003, 01:46:00 PM
i use the bios loader
Post by: stealth on July 28, 2003, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: d0rkboy on July 29, 2003, 07:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (stealth @ Jul 29 2003, 06:17 AM) |
| if it hangs at calculating 2bl then you either have the wrong RC4 key or the bios you are trying to load is not a bfm bios. |
with "Boot.From.Media.Bios.Collection-COMPLEX" i got phoenix running, at least running it manually. whenever i put default.xbe, boot.cfg, phoenix.raw and an appropriate romfile into /c/, it keeps looping.
aren't the supplemented romfiles supposed to boot evoxdash.xbe instead of xboxdash.xbe?
Post by: luizfrandrade on August 06, 2003, 11:02:00 AM
So, the Complete_Pheonix_Loader and Berta dn Ernie Reloaded will FIX the "loop clock" problem???
I´m using the "Audio_Signed_Phoenix_Bios_Loader", it working ok, but in the Evox menu, the "run DVD game" is NOT enable!!! any one knows why???
thanx...
Post by: luizfrandrade on August 06, 2003, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: {later} on August 06, 2003, 01:52:00 PM
| QUOTE |
Section "Root" { Item "Launch DVD",ID_Launch_DVD Item "MS Dashboard",ID_MS_Dash Item "Reboot",ID_Quick_Reboot Item "Power Off",ID_Power_Off |
Just copy and paste this and overwrite the old shit in your evox.ini
This way it will work 100% fine!