Post by: Jse on July 08, 2003, 03:58:00 PM
Post by: afon on July 08, 2003, 04:06:00 PM
newbs are people too
Post by: afon on July 08, 2003, 04:11:00 PM
?
Post by: DJDrEvil on July 08, 2003, 04:20:00 PM
And it really pisses me off when fuckwads say, "If you have to ask what this is, you don't need to know." Fuck you and your high fucking horse. You have no idea who I am or what I know, if you don't want to answer, shut the fuck up.
Wow... I guess I got my "fuck quota" met... Well anyways, EVERYONE was new once, it's called ignorance, nothing wrong with that. It's when you CAN'T learn that it becomes a problem, that's called stupidity.
Post by: kenetik on July 08, 2003, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: underthebridge on July 08, 2003, 07:21:00 PM
Now you just see nobrainer posts everwhere, it's too bad.. You know why?
Because IT'S the intelligent posts that lead us to development! and you can't deny it
I hope mods clean house soon
Post by: Pluttiplutt on July 08, 2003, 07:27:00 PM
What am I doing here!
Wonder what member-number I have?
This is just one more rootles thred!
I belive the whole thread should be removed...
What all this got to do with the XBox?
Post by: heinrich on July 09, 2003, 12:07:00 AM
this influx of people who dont read the tutorials, dont know how to use the search function is far worse than when the matrix was released, or those god damn TechTV shows on xbox modding. Id be willing to bet not one of you self proclaimed n00bs understands a fraction of history of the scene, or the issues surrounding this exploit.
And XVegitto, look around the forums, i think you will see the 'card' isnt just him show that he is not a 'n00b'
Post by: heinrich on July 09, 2003, 12:09:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...ST&f=45&t=74473
Post by: Morglum on July 09, 2003, 12:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (kenetik @ Jul 9 2003, 02:18 AM) |
| Notice how he hasnt said anything since he's been bashed and no one agrees with him. |
He hasnt said anything because he was leaving when he reached his 666th post which he has done
And i dont think its newbies in whole he was bashing, just those that start a new thread about somehting that was explained in another thread only started 5 mins beforehand. Its the newbies that dont search or read the forums before posting that pisses everyone off, they want it all on a plate like we owe them something, when it could have been solved with just a quick 5min search.
Newbies (in moderation ofcourse) are good for the scene, its just the arrogant "i want it now and i want it my way" newbies that arnt welcome. Im sure you all know the type i mean
Post by: stanneh on July 09, 2003, 04:25:00 AM
Post by: Xeero on July 09, 2003, 04:54:00 AM
All you people who think "everyone was a newb once" need to know that this is true, but not everyone was lazy. If you post a question that has been addressed ad nauseam, you should expect to be flamed! If you act upset or surprised when someone flames you, you should be flamed SOME MORE.
I'd LOVE to require a quiz before users could register. We have had roughly 300 people register in the past few days; they would likely just hammer away at the quiz before they got it right. So, unfortunately, this wouldn't be feasible.
Post by: desertboy on July 09, 2003, 06:01:00 AM
Or just which mod chip should I buy? They are annoying especially when they're by people with a post count of one.
Xeero I believe 5000+ joined in january (When I joined) I'd have thought that was a busy time.
If I were you I'd moderate the first ten posts to cut out so many questions, maybe send an email to all new members outlining the rules.
JSE I don't believe you'll be missed.
Newbies do a f*cking search
Anyone new to the scene I'd go for a modchip I think this hack is most useful to people who already know what they are doing.
Post by: DJDrEvil on July 09, 2003, 06:36:00 AM
My issue is some little prick, that has done fuckall for the scene, bitching about newbies (disclosure: I also have done fuckall for the scene, but my fuckall is much nicer and has little ribbons and bows). Hell I was a newbie (and still am) using IRQ. I just don't give a shit about chatting with "me m8s." But when I needed to get something, I learned where to go and what to do and I'm smart enough to know that there are dumbasses that will try to fuck you (like morons telling you to go to #9,000).
So, don't assume I'm a dumbass because I don't know something. And don't assume just because you NOW know something, you are smarter than me. There are a shitload of people on these boards that are WAY smarter than me but just happened to sign up latter so I don't assume a goddamn thing about their intelligence.
All that being said I do agree that people need to Read The Fucking Manual. With that I whole heartedly agree. What was it that Jesus said? "God helps those that look shit up on their own before asking dumbass questions." I think that was it...
Well at any rate, don't confuse Newbie with Dumbass, dumbass.
P.S. Heinrich was very hurtfull towards me and bruised my tender feelngs and I would like some fairy godmother to come down to him and give him a good talking to!
Post by: Dunny on July 09, 2003, 07:26:00 AM
Post by: heinrich on July 09, 2003, 07:32:00 AM
Post by: VashTS on July 09, 2003, 07:45:00 AM
NEXT!
Post by: swolsten on July 09, 2003, 07:46:00 AM
The new exploits have upset a lot of people, its not just the people that help but also the developers. I have spoken to quite a few over the last few days and a lot are considering if all the bull Shiite is worth it or not.
#xbins channels do not want anything to do with the exploits and has a Zero tolerance for it. If you go there asking questions expect to be removed (kicked or banned). Its not because we dont like you, its because we dont like the concept.
OK modchips cost a few $ but at the end of the day think how much time it takes to develop them, write the bios's for them and all the homebrew software. I dont think a $40 contribution to the scene is a lot to ask for all the great things we can do with our xbox.
A lot of people only want to pirate games (another zero tolerance on xbins), they are the people that will end up using the exploit, why should we (#xbins-help respected supporters) waist our time on something people like this.
Buy a modchip, support the developers, Get great applications.
Repect to all the ppl that know me.
All the others Flame away
Post by: Robogokua on July 09, 2003, 07:54:00 AM
Post by: Krill123 on July 09, 2003, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: Troed on July 09, 2003, 08:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (swolsten @ Jul 9 2003, 03:46 PM) |
| #xbins channels do not want anything to do with the exploits and has a Zero tolerance for it. If you go there asking questions expect to be removed (kicked or banned). Its not because we dont like you, its because we dont like the concept. |
That was one of the most stupid things I've ever read - but it doesn't surprise me since a lot of kids who think they are elite act like jerks as soon as they get POWER (you know .. power like being an operator on an IRC channel .. )
These exploits are VERY useful for Xbox hacking. Anyone who doesn't understand that should stop posting altogether. They might not be perfect for playing pirated games - but a lot of the hacks used to produce the modchips aren't either.
bunnie could've used a buffer overflow like the 007/MechAssault hacks, if he had known, instead of having to snoop the hypertransport bus to get the RC4 key in the first Xbox revision (together with some MCPX-trickery developed for v1.1).
Chew on that for a while. And please. Being able to solder a modchip and kicking people on IRC does not make you part of the Xbox-mod scene ..
Post by: heinrich on July 09, 2003, 08:34:00 AM
Post by: leisenstein on July 09, 2003, 08:58:00 AM
Post by: Ubergeek on July 09, 2003, 09:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (Troed @ Jul 9 2003, 05:03 PM) | ||
That was one of the most stupid things I've ever read - but it doesn't surprise me since a lot of kids who think they are elite act like jerks as soon as they get POWER (you know .. power like being an operator on an IRC channel .. ) These exploits are VERY useful for Xbox hacking. Anyone who doesn't understand that should stop posting altogether. They might not be perfect for playing pirated games - but a lot of the hacks used to produce the modchips aren't either. bunnie could've used a buffer overflow like the 007/MechAssault hacks, if he had known, instead of having to snoop the hypertransport bus to get the RC4 key in the first Xbox revision (together with some MCPX-trickery developed for v1.1). Chew on that for a while. And please. Being able to solder a modchip and kicking people on IRC does not make you part of the Xbox-mod scene .. |
have to agree with you there troed
Post by: VashTS on July 09, 2003, 11:06:00 AM
Reguardless, don't start talking about people that are actually out there helping people and contributing. No we dont want exploit talk an no we dont allow slayers talk. We are there to help people learn about the stuff you can do with the xbox and help them along the way.
Post by: CabaretVoltaire on July 09, 2003, 11:57:00 AM
| QUOTE |
#xbins channels do not want anything to do with the exploits and has a Zero tolerance for it. If you go there asking questions expect to be removed (kicked or banned). Its not because we dont like you, its because we dont like the concept. |
But what is there to not like?
The "concept" isn't the "newbies", etc.. It's the hack itself. Why wouldn't you like the concept of a free software only mod that could potentially do everything a modchip does? Are you guys sponsored by modchip sellers or something?
I can't understand this "anti-softmod" mentality..
Personally I don't see how this could ruin any "scene". Dreamcast has bootdiscs and selfbooting tools, yet the homebrew stuff is still coming out for it long after its commercial death.
Are you worried that if more people can use bootlegs less people will buy commercial games? If noone buys games then no games will be made, which means you wont be able to get your bootlegs anymore?? You can't always have your cake AND eat it.
Are you worried that you wont be able to charge people £xx for fitting a chip anymore??
Are you worried about people (newbies) asking silly questions? I'm sure it's nothing new, surely you've been getting "OMG I soldred my face 2 D0 and my matrix explded what do i do???!!" since the "scene" started.. If anything this will cut down on "newbie problems" once the creases have been ironed out of these hacks and the documentation gets around. I mean it's much easier to tell someone "you have to put those files in /fonts, not root" than to explain how to resolder a component they broke off or whatever.. This cuts out all the hard messy stuff!
Seriously, what are you guys scared of??
Post by: pez on July 09, 2003, 01:30:00 PM
| QUOTE (Xeero @ Jul 9 2003, 05:54 AM) |
| I'd LOVE to require a quiz before users could register. We have had roughly 300 people register in the past few days; they would likely just hammer away at the quiz before they got it right. So, unfortunately, this wouldn't be feasible. |
Xeero, the quiz could easily be made feasible. All you'd have to do is force a restriction on how often a particular IP could attempt to take the quiz.
So for example, you could have a 20 question multiple-choice quiz based on frequently-asked information found in X-S tutorials. If they got 75% of the questions correct then the user registration process could continue. It would be up to the quiz designer as to whether wrong answers were specifically pointed out, or whether the quiz-taker would just get a total score.
If they failed the quiz, then they'd be required to wait 24 hours before attempting again.
That way, we could cut down on users who are too stupid to use the search button and too lazy to read the tutorials that contributors took the time and effort to write out.
Post by: pez on July 09, 2003, 01:45:00 PM
| QUOTE (CabaretVoltaire @ Jul 9 2003, 12:57 PM) |
| Are you worried that if more people can use bootlegs less people will buy commercial games? If noone buys games then no games will be made, which means you wont be able to get your bootlegs anymore?? You can't always have your cake AND eat it. |
I use my modchip for homebrew software such as classic-game emulators and XBMP. I also buy all my Xbox games.
If the spread of bootlegging due to an easy mass-appeal software-only mod kills commercial development, then that means I won't be able to buy new Xbox games anymore. The Xbox's marketplace position against Sony is already weak. We don't need to see developers decide to jump ship and go Sony-exclusive just because they're worried about weak sales on the Xbox platform.
Post by: SpIdErXeN on July 09, 2003, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: CabaretVoltaire on July 09, 2003, 01:56:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I use my modchip for homebrew software such as classic-game emulators and XBMP. I also buy all my Xbox games. If the spread of bootlegging due to an easy mass-appeal software-only mod kills commercial development, then that means I won't be able to buy new Xbox games anymore. The Xbox's marketplace position against Sony is already weak. We don't need to see developers decide to jump ship and go Sony-exclusive just because they're worried about weak sales on the Xbox platform. |
What makes you think that people using the software mod wont be doing exactly the same thing as you?
Also you've been able to play bootleg PS2 games for years with DVDX or Action Replay and a cut up credit card. PS2 games still seem to be selling pretty well.
I don't think Xbox bootlegging is going to be that big a deal.. If you want to play copies you have to add a bigger harddrive or a decent DVD drive, right?.. Surely that's too much work for the average joe?
Post by: pez on July 09, 2003, 02:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (CabaretVoltaire @ Jul 9 2003, 02:56 PM) |
| What makes you think that people using the software mod wont be doing exactly the same thing as you? Also you've been able to play bootleg PS2 games for years with DVDX or Action Replay and a cut up credit card. PS2 games still seem to be selling pretty well. I don't think Xbox bootlegging is going to be that big a deal.. If you want to play copies you have to add a bigger harddrive or a decent DVD drive, right?.. Surely that's too much work for the average joe? |
Your own post implied that the spread of a software-only exploit would increase bootlegging, especially with the "You can't have your cake and eat it" admonition.
| QUOTE |
| (CabaretVoltaire)Are you worried that if more people can use bootlegs less people will buy commercial games? If noone buys games then no games will be made, which means you wont be able to get your bootlegs anymore?? You can't always have your cake AND eat it. |
My point was that the Xbox's situation with bootlegging is different from the PS2 because it does not have the vast marketshare that Sony holds. PS2 piracy will not kill the PS2 because developers aren't going to jump ship from the number 1 leader down to the number 2 rival.
If developers jump ship from number 2 Xbox due to perceived low sales predictions, they will simply move to number 1 Sony. Sony developers can easily handle piracy much better than Xbox developers because they already have a larger market to cushion those losses.
Xbox bootlegging is EASIER than PS2 bootlegging. There's no need for a bigger hard drive, although a bigger HD just makes things even easier. And why exactly would you need to replace the Xbox DVD drive to play DVD-R copies?
Post by: Heet on July 09, 2003, 02:28:00 PM
Post by: CabaretVoltaire on July 09, 2003, 02:41:00 PM
)Despite the easy bootlegging PS1 + PS2 have blown away the competition.. Who doesn't have a modchip in their playstation? I don't know a single person whose PS1/2 is not chipped. Yet software is still selling.. Maybe people don't want a free ride? The occasional copy here and there is great, but I think people like the complete package. I like to have the nice cases with the artwork, etc rather than a crappy CDR with "HALO 2" scrawled on it in my terrible handwriting. I like funding game developers (but maybe not the publishers), rather than the dodgy people pressing HK silvers. I suspect most people are the same.
| QUOTE |
My point was that the Xbox's situation with bootlegging is different from the PS2 because it does not have the vast marketshare that Sony holds. PS2 piracy will not kill the PS2 because developers aren't going to jump ship from the number 1 leader down to the number 2 rival. |
Sony got their massive market share despite (because of??) the simple bootlegging, why can't MS do the same?
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Noone with an internet connection really needs to buy a music CD ever again.. Everyone knows where you can get MP3s from. You don't need to do anything fancy to get them working, you don't need to even look hard. Just fire up some p2p app > search > download > play. Yet, despite what the RIAA wants you to believe, CDs are selling amazingly well. People aren't going to bootleg Xbox games just because they can.
Anyways I'll shut up now
People should calm down, this isn't going to kill the Xbox. Yeah, maybe it'll kill the modchip scene but so what?
Post by: DJDrEvil on July 09, 2003, 03:48:00 PM
Me:
P.S. Heinrich was very hurtfull towards me and bruised my tender feelngs and I would like some fairy godmother to come down to him and give him a good talking to!
Heinrich:
If I insulted you on IRC...
swolsten:
IRC is there to be insulted on, if you cant take it ill just lmfao...
Heinrich:
Once again, its not about how much knowledge a 'n00b' has, its its willingness to read and learn...
Ok, first off can you read "hurtful towards me" or "my tender feelings" or "fairy godmother" or "a good talking to!" without cracking a smile? Hell, I though "fairy" alone would incite giggles, guess not. I THOUGHT that shit would be seen as an obvious joke... and then for Heinrich to say "read and learn" when he clearly did not read MY obvious humor.... well, I may not be as funny as I think, but I am laughing in my head... or is that the voices, I can never tell... they're so DAMN LOUD!
Listen: So then people start going off on the rules of the channel, no one said fuckall about the rules of the channel, what the fuck are YOU talking about? Learn to fucking READ you ass master! Go to a happy place, go to a happy place, go to a happy place.... ahhhhhhh...
So, in closing, LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP!
P.S. I'm spelling impared so fuck you very much!
P.P.S. Heinrich, please stop touching me, it makes me uncomfortable and kinda warm and sticky....
Post by: cbconglom on July 27, 2003, 02:59:00 PM
Post by: gBOX on July 27, 2003, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: LafferUSA on July 27, 2003, 08:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (Jse @ Jul 9 2003, 12:58 AM) |
| too many n00bs here now that dont know how to use a search button and the scene is getting far too much attention |
Please commit suicide when you're home alone, laughing at "n00bs".
Post by: Mad_Gouki on July 27, 2003, 11:42:00 PM
Post by: brute_force on July 28, 2003, 02:35:00 PM
The fact of the matter is there is a LOT of conflicting info some relevant some not. There are many exploits and many ways to skin a cat. My heads spinning and I'm sure most n00bs are in the same boat. For me this is another distraction like so many things before. PS1/PS2 DC/goldcards(sat TV)/Phone locks VCD/DVD/DIVX etc. I don't learn it for profit or notoriety... it's just another thing for me to understand and beat. I'm just curious. I've been an active member of soooooo many forums etc and when I attain a level of knowledge whereby I find myself in a position to help, you're damned right I try. Sometimes staying up all night helping out just 1 individual, spending hours tailoring a tutorial for 1 solitary person. Do I want any recognition or groupies? Do I fuk. I'm not a snob or elitist. Sure it's infuriating when for the 50th time in 1 day you are asked how do I convert x to y etc. Sure I've been blunt once or twice and shouted READ THE BLOODY FAQ's. But to be down on all n00bs and their often simple questions is just plain ignorant. Somebody fresh on "the scene2 could easily in theory achieve your level of knowledge and heaven forbid surpass it in next to no time, so why so arrogant?
As for it screwing the scene... grow up. Create an invite only forum if you're so bothered by the general public being in your oh so superior presence.