Post by: kdoggg710 on July 05, 2003, 08:46:00 AM
Reasons a modchip is more viable option:
-Costs less then the price of the mega-x key and 007auf/Mech Assualt
-permanent but temporary-by this I mean you can change to any bios(with the newer chips and flashing) but you can always disable the hardwired chip acting as if you have a non modded xbox
-more respect from modders(I know that not many care about this but you have to know where the scene came from and plus you'll learn a lot more about how the internal xbox works)
-any update by M$ can be worked around easier w/o needing to 007 it again
Now I know many feel this is the downfall of the scene, which I currently feel is true. But I know that M$ will not discontinue the Xbox so there are no worries. Sure new security features will be enabled but there are always work arounds and having an actual chip will be your best bet at staying in the mod "game" Thanks for listening to my rant.
Post by: tem on July 05, 2003, 08:49:00 AM
Post by: enuf on July 05, 2003, 08:54:00 AM
Post by: mknlb50 on July 05, 2003, 09:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (enuf @ Jul 5 2003, 05:54 PM) |
| I agree and I do feel like this is the downfall of the scene. That's why I have 3 modchips. (actually I'm selling the other two.. heh) |
what modchips are you selling?
Post by: [FrEEzEr] on July 05, 2003, 09:19:00 AM
Maybe this hack will get better if it enables backups on live which is a bad/good (you choose) thing
Post by: mknlb50 on July 05, 2003, 09:23:00 AM
LOADER.v1.00-FX.XBOX-COMPLEX !!!!!!
Using a dynamic patching system !Loader offers you virtually the same features as most well established modchips - on unmodded Xboxes in software!
Post by: newb0x on July 05, 2003, 09:47:00 AM
Post by: XBLamer on July 05, 2003, 09:50:00 AM
2, Stuff up soldering the chip in you wreck your XBOX oh and you have no warranty
3, You can not restore a physically modded xbox to a original state with this mod a quick entery of a code say aabbaa and it is back in original state.
4, Mod chips can't go on live (this one you can and it works for now)
5, Mod chips need to be reflashed for new games. you can only flash a bios so many times and if you stuff up lose power etc xbox is toast.
6, I don't know how to solder
7, It is not your XBOX
8, Your mom dad won't let you (for the kiddies)
9, Cause all you want to do is run Linux on your box and not pirate games
10, Because selling mod chips is illegal and the guy who sells mod chips is usually the same guy who sells the pirated games.
Post by: psxpirate1 on July 05, 2003, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: TB_88 on July 05, 2003, 11:37:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| 10, Because selling mod chips is illegal and the guy who sells mod chips is usually the same guy who sells the pirated games. |
Wtf? Modchips is not illegal... If u sell a modchip with a legal linux bios it's 100% legal and the most good chips out there are preflashed with custom linux bioses...
STFU!!!! PLZ
thanx
Post by: feflicker on July 05, 2003, 12:10:00 PM
However, these software exploits are just that. A simple dash upgrade, which could be required in a future game, say HALO2!, could eliminate all of these exploits. Chances are my chipped xbox will still work
Bottom line: These exploits are a temporary way around the security. The only way it would be permanent is if you locked your xbox down, never put in a new game, never connected to Live, etc. to avoid the inevitable update from MS$. What kind of life is that!
Post by: Dunny on July 05, 2003, 12:13:00 PM
Installing Live update on the Dash gave you the option, it didnt just happen once you inserted a game.
and if it did happen whats to stop you FTP'ing all your old files back?
anyway at this point in time, it works great!
Post by: Xeero on July 05, 2003, 12:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (xdreamer @ Jul 5 2003, 04:11 PM) |
| Well there are more than enough ways to stop the dashboard upgrade... You can patch the kernel to make C write protected or even simple, just fill C to the rim and the upgrade fails... bye bye |
How much larger do you think a new dash would be???
Post by: bbagnall on July 05, 2003, 12:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (kdoggg710 @ Jul 5 2003, 05:46 PM) |
| First off for any of you out there concerned about soldering and are worried about voiding your xbox warranty, then you really have no reason to mod in the first place. Sure soldering might seem scary at first but I guarentee you that a modchip is so much more worth in both price and in longevity. Reasons a modchip is more viable option: -Costs less then the price of the mega-x key and 007auf/Mech Assualt -permanent but temporary-by this I mean you can change to any bios(with the newer chips and flashing) but you can always disable the hardwired chip acting as if you have a non modded xbox -more respect from modders(I know that not many care about this but you have to know where the scene came from and plus you'll learn a lot more about how the internal xbox works) -any update by M$ can be worked around easier w/o needing to 007 it again Now I know many feel this is the downfall of the scene, which I currently feel is true. But I know that M$ will not discontinue the Xbox so there are no worries. Sure new security features will be enabled but there are always work arounds and having an actual chip will be your best bet at staying in the mod "game" Thanks for listening to my rant. |
For those who need a translation, this noobie joined on July 1, three days before the free exploit was released. He's just very pissed that he sunk cash into his mod chip, and now he feels like a dumb-ass. None of his arguments hold any water.
Reasons a modchip is more viable option:
-Costs less then the price of the mega-x key and 007auf/Mech Assualt
* Hard-drive swap is free, or if you don't want to open the xbox (which you have to with a mod chip) you can borrow a memory stick and rend 007 or Mechassault.
-permanent but temporary-by this I mean you can change to any bios(with the newer chips and flashing) but you can always disable the hardwired chip acting as if you have a non modded xbox
* You can also change the dashboard any time you want.
-more respect from modders(I know that not many care about this but you have to know where the scene came from and plus you'll learn a lot more about how the internal xbox works)
* That is bullshite. Who would possibly care if you run unsigned software with modchip or software?
-any update by M$ can be worked around easier w/o needing to 007 it again
* An update from MS can be counter-updated by the guys who released the exploit.
Post by: feflicker on July 05, 2003, 12:20:00 PM
Post by: Dunny on July 05, 2003, 12:30:00 PM
Post by: xdreamer on July 05, 2003, 12:36:00 PM
current dashboard upgrades first create a backup so that they
can recover if something fails during the upgrade process...
Even if MS wants to kill the old dashboards they must first backup
in case something like power off happens
so they cannot do this backup when C is full
Post by: jfxwave on July 05, 2003, 10:58:00 PM
I will stick with a MOD chip (lol it's aready in my box)
and i buy my xboxes at Wally world so i could take it back with the guts taken out and still get my money back..
Post by: DaOne on July 05, 2003, 11:34:00 PM
Soon all you will hear is just how bad this is to do and how much better the new version of the mod chip is. To me there isnt any difference. They all do the same thing. I mean why not just flash the tsop if you want a more permanent solution? I have always liked the idea of tsop flashing. Why you ask? Because its free and that alone make it better than any other mod chip in my own opinion. Combine it with this exploit and why the hell would anyone want or need a mod chip?
Post by: feflicker on July 05, 2003, 11:41:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I think the hackers will stay on top of M$ on this one though and it will be the cat and mouse just like the bios here as well |
I disagree. It is much easier to repair software than it is to remove loopholes in the hardware security. MS$ has lots of experience in quickly fixing these types of bugs
What are you talking about? The bios updates have been to support NEW versions of the console, and give new features. None of the bios updates have been to work around a "software patch" by MS$. You'd be surpised how many people have an unflashable cheapmod with a bios from over a year ago that is still working for them
Post by: heinrich on July 06, 2003, 03:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (XBLamer @ Jul 5 2003, 06:50 PM) |
| 1, Take the cover off you void the warranty 2, Stuff up soldering the chip in you wreck your XBOX oh and you have no warranty 3, You can not restore a physically modded xbox to a original state with this mod a quick entery of a code say aabbaa and it is back in original state. 4, Mod chips can't go on live (this one you can and it works for now) 5, Mod chips need to be reflashed for new games. you can only flash a bios so many times and if you stuff up lose power etc xbox is toast. 6, I don't know how to solder 7, It is not your XBOX 8, Your mom dad won't let you (for the kiddies) 9, Cause all you want to do is run Linux on your box and not pirate games 10, Because selling mod chips is illegal and the guy who sells mod chips is usually the same guy who sells the pirated games. |
1) run unsigned code (code not sold or liscensed my M$), and it voids your warranty, read page 18 of you xbox manual.
2) read above
3) I can except for the removed stickers on the bottom of the xbox, any one who did a decent install can remove their modchip (for whatever reason they would choose to do that)
4) Its called turn off the modchip. And its not the chip that prevents you, its the BIOS
5) No, they dont, you can manually patch each game if you like. And how many times do you think there is a new bios release? And how is the # of times it can be flashed limited?
6) There are no-solder modchips
7) Then leave it alone, get a job and buy your own xbox to fuck with
8) Tough luck for them, most likely the parents purchased the xbox.
9) yes, as that was the intention of the exploit, however long the exploit will remain open
10) see the previous post about this, its bullshit, esp. if all you want to do is run linux as stated in #9
[EDIT] typos, still prolly missed a few [/EDIT]
Post by: heinrich on July 06, 2003, 03:13:00 AM
Post by: heinrich on July 06, 2003, 03:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (bbagnall @ Jul 5 2003, 09:19 PM) |
| For those who need a translation, this noobie joined on July 1, three days before the free exploit was released. He's just very pissed that he sunk cash into his mod chip, and now he feels like a dumb-ass. None of his arguments hold any water. Reasons a modchip is more viable option: -Costs less then the price of the mega-x key and 007auf/Mech Assualt * Hard-drive swap is free, or if you don't want to open the xbox (which you have to with a mod chip) you can borrow a memory stick and rend 007 or Mechassault. -permanent but temporary-by this I mean you can change to any bios(with the newer chips and flashing) but you can always disable the hardwired chip acting as if you have a non modded xbox * You can also change the dashboard any time you want. -more respect from modders(I know that not many care about this but you have to know where the scene came from and plus you'll learn a lot more about how the internal xbox works) * That is bullshite. Who would possibly care if you run unsigned software with modchip or software? -any update by M$ can be worked around easier w/o needing to 007 it again * An update from MS can be counter-updated by the guys who released the exploit. |
* Hard-drive swap is free, or if you don't want to open the xbox (which you have to with a mod chip) you can borrow a memory stick and rend 007 or Mechassault.
Someone had to buy this memory card and rent/buy the game. A cheapmod will run you 15 USD
* That is bullshite. Who would possibly care if you run unsigned software with modchip or software?
Anyone that has been on the scene (the xbox or other) for more than 4 days
* An update from MS can be counter-updated by the guys who released the exploit.
YA, it only took how long before this exploit was found?
Post by: Ubergeek on July 06, 2003, 03:27:00 AM
you'll never stop quality mods, you'll never sstop quality exploits
its a matter of taste and preferance
anyone who has an ounce of a clue knows that a mod is the #1 solution. No fuss, not so expensive and with all the features under the sun (not just kernel based features either)
those that dont want a mod or are too cheap to buy one or who are simply interested in this kind of exploit - GREAT they have a choice too
so instead of whining like faggots - those that use a mod / want a mod / like mods - then I have great news for you - I can cater to you all
those of you who like these exploits and want to use a memory patching system - i also have great news for you - our bios's will work for you too.
stop bitching already and play with your fucking xbox for christs sake
Post by: XBLamer on July 06, 2003, 04:41:00 AM
If organized properly (sort of like an MLM roll out) every xbox on the planet would soon be modded.
What I would like to see in evox is a build memory card option so when you load loader on your xbox it will then allow you to build a new memory card for some one else at the push of a button so you can pass the exploit on.
FREE-X FOR ALL
Post by: Pizza Pizz on July 06, 2003, 05:37:00 AM
does this exploit only work for ver 1.0 xbox's atm with 4034 ?
more important - do the backups that run using dash exploit need to be patched or does it do the lot like X2 4976 bios - ie: fixes the xbe's with the media check protection
eg install to h/d or run from dvd-r a wolfenstein UNPATCHED backup ?
may give this a go but my v 1.0's are all tsop flashed - except one with a mod on it
Post by: Pizza Pizz on July 06, 2003, 06:12:00 AM
wow can anyone else confirm that once done all media check protected backup's will run UNPATCHED
sounds amazing - if not too good to be true almost but then again team xecuter and complex were involved in the loader so who knows ?
Post by: Pizza Pizz on July 06, 2003, 06:29:00 AM
got a ver 1.0 with open bioxx in so can boot it without mod enabled....
may give it a go in a day or so - pretty sure that is a 4034 on that and already has the 4920 live dash on it already
still rather fit mod/flash but I might say different once I have done the exploit
Post by: Hajaz on August 03, 2003, 03:56:00 AM
Post by: Mordenkainen on August 03, 2003, 06:46:00 PM
1. M$ could disable the exploits with a mandatory update.
- True, they could. But they could just as easily scan the HD for any alterations and do nasty things with the update if found. Sure your chip still works, but you can't run anything but MS Dash or nothing at all because they have nuked it.
2. Bios's can change as needed.
- Also true, but if you have an odd bios loaded, it can be detected. If you turn the chip off to avoid this what is the point in having one?
I agree that the chip is the more flexible of the two, but it is potentailly just as easy to screw with. To use the chip effectivly you have to change the content of the drive, and this is detectable. Even if you stuff everything on F:\ they could come up with a way to scan the unpartitioned space for recognizable signatures. Or just the fact that the drive is larger than expected. They can find you, chip on or off, if they really try to look.
Bottom line is that until an ECM is developed for the exploits they are virtually as powerful and useful as a chip. And a chip doesn't offer you much more in the way of protection. As long as you got a HD backup and your HDD key either is fine.
I see a lot of peeps bitching about how the scene is ruined because of this.... Well lets look at it this way, Do they still sell PS2's? How about PS One's? They both have SW hacks... But aren't they the top selling game systems..... Looks like it hurt them alot!
You think you are better than others because you took a hot iron to your MB? Well it's nice you can solder... Me, I shake too much for that. But don't think it makes you a better person... You wanna be big in the scene and demand respect? LEARN TO CODE!!!!! Look at BJ or the others, those are the guys who get my respect. Not someone who was cool enough to slap a chip in a machine!
Morden.
Post by: luther349 on August 03, 2003, 07:59:00 PM
well fine go buy a mod chip noone is stoping you and im shure they whant your busness. but stop posting useless shit like this in these fourms. if someone whants to do a softwhere expolite good for them to. i have a softmodded and a modchiped xbox both and i will say this the softmodded is just as good as my chiped system.
Post by: mathieu on August 03, 2003, 10:14:00 PM
Am I right or am I right?
-devzero
Post by: Reno_000 on August 04, 2003, 12:03:00 AM
All I can say is, I'm happy with my software mod, it does what I want.
Post by: KamelRed on August 04, 2003, 02:22:00 AM
Of course, to each their own.
Post by: KamelRed on August 04, 2003, 03:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (STEVEHABS @ Aug 4 2003, 11:30 AM) |
| actually smart one its either the free x hack or the pheonix loader 1.3 hack or both that say not to do a tsop flash with it i believe pheonix loader is the one. besides no reason to flash after each new bios release of lets say xecuter 2 comes out. maybe every few ones unless it adds support for new versions. Basically they let u run anything unmodded though without another xbox but for that u need the usb memory card mega x key and theirs software to download for it too. so many sites for xbox hacking i swear lol. just gotta search wit yahoo. heh and if pheonix loader would run without having signed code guess what i patched the program so it will run without the modchip. I'm getting mine soon and doing it will tell how it went |
Wtf are you talking about Mr. Not-so-smart-one? Seriously man your not making sense. Where the hell does it say "DONT NOT FLASH YOUR TSOP WITH EXPLOITS"?
I flashed my TSOP because:
1. I could do it
2. Exploits made it modchip-less
3. It cost me $0 to flash it
4. Easier to upgrade HD
Like I said in my previous post "to each their own".
Post by: LafferUSA on August 04, 2003, 10:48:00 AM
| QUOTE (STEVEHABS @ Aug 4 2003, 11:30 AM) |
| actually smart one its either the free x hack or the pheonix loader 1.3 hack or both that say not to do a tsop flash with it i believe pheonix loader is the one. besides no reason to flash after each new bios release of lets say xecuter 2 comes out. maybe every few ones unless it adds support for new versions. Basically they let u run anything unmodded though without another xbox but for that u need the usb memory card mega x key and theirs software to download for it too. so many sites for xbox hacking i swear lol. just gotta search wit yahoo. heh and if pheonix loader would run without having signed code guess what i patched the program so it will run without the modchip. I'm getting mine soon and doing it will tell how it went |
Post by: SpIdErXeN on August 04, 2003, 06:42:00 PM
Post by: warbeast on August 04, 2003, 07:15:00 PM
Post by: dubey on August 04, 2003, 10:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (SpIdErXeN @ Aug 5 2003, 03:42 AM) |
| woaa...80%!?! LoL...damn! that can't be right... |
im sure it was an exaggeration but i agree with the rest of his post
Post by: STEVEHABS on August 05, 2003, 02:34:00 AM
Post by: ZASADAR on August 05, 2003, 02:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (kdoggg710 @ Jul 5 2003, 10:46 AM) |
| First off for any of you out there concerned about soldering and are worried about voiding your xbox warranty, then you really have no reason to mod in the first place. Sure soldering might seem scary at first but I guarentee you that a modchip is so much more worth in both price and in longevity. Reasons a modchip is more viable option: -Costs less then the price of the mega-x key and 007auf/Mech Assualt -permanent but temporary-by this I mean you can change to any bios(with the newer chips and flashing) but you can always disable the hardwired chip acting as if you have a non modded xbox -more respect from modders(I know that not many care about this but you have to know where the scene came from and plus you'll learn a lot more about how the internal xbox works) -any update by M$ can be worked around easier w/o needing to 007 it again Now I know many feel this is the downfall of the scene, which I currently feel is true. But I know that M$ will not discontinue the Xbox so there are no worries. Sure new security features will be enabled but there are always work arounds and having an actual chip will be your best bet at staying in the mod "game" Thanks for listening to my rant. |
there realy was no point to this you could atleast sell them but you must be very bored