Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 07:36:00 PM
That being said... who else agrees that releasing this was a bad idea?
Here are some good points to the Exploit:
+No opening the Xbox to be able to run unsigned code
+Play backups on LIVE (even if only for a VERY short time)
Here are the bad points:
-M$ will inevitably incorporate security fixes in Xbox LIVE services to correct this exploit, which could also bring trouble to actual modchip users aswell.
-M$ may incorporate automatic, mandatory dashboard updates in newer games that will fix the dashboard flaw, which could (although unlikely with evoxdash.xbe bios) cause problems for actual modchip users as well.
Now I know you all are saying, "Well... we can just use the 007 exploit to put the old dash back on...", but do you REALLY want to have to do this everytime you play a game?
I really see no advantage of this over a modchip (except for the fact that you don't have to open the console... wow, it's so hard to use a screwdriver and a soldering iron
) and all it is going to do in the long-run is cause Micro$oft to get more aggresive against not only the exploit users, but modchip users aswell...
Post by: SEViN on July 03, 2003, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: Xeero on July 03, 2003, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: Fire_-= on July 03, 2003, 07:42:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| +No opening the Xbox to be able to run unsigned code |
Is not supposed to rename the font files in the HD, you still need to open the xbox
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 07:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (Xeero @ Jul 4 2003, 03:40 AM) |
| This makes me uneasy with the entire scene. I don't like this scene. I like the extra-hardware-required scene. |
I agree... and that's not because we try to sound cool ("Oh yeah... I got a modchip, I'm 1337!!!") it's becasue it essentially keeps out the "riff-raff" so to speak.
I can already see the influx of n00bs to the scene asking how to open the .rar files for the pirated games they downloaded...
... and that will not only bring us (the entire Xbox Scene) down... but will also bring hombrew development down becuase of Micro$oft's battles to fight the new methods of (essentially) piracy...
Post by: Dunny on July 03, 2003, 07:51:00 PM
) are welcome here as much as you mate, for anybody who wont mod this is their chance to start doing what you were doing when you got your mod.
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 07:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dunny @ Jul 4 2003, 03:51 AM) |
| but the newbies (riff-raff ) are welcome here as much as you mate, for anybody who wont mod this is their chance to start doing what you were doing when you got your mod. |
I understand where you're coming from... but by "riff-raff" I didn't mean newbies... I meant all the lame@$$ 12-year old videogame pirates that will see this as a way to get "free games".
That I (personally) don't even have a major problem with. What I have a problem with is all the security fixes M$ will implement to fix this problem that will cause trouble for modchip users...
Post by: Dunny on July 03, 2003, 07:57:00 PM
as for MS now releasing security fixes to sort this problem, I think if they could stop modchips from working they would already be doing it regardless of whether or not this hack was released.
Post by: Xeero on July 03, 2003, 08:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (mustang79 @ Jul 3 2003, 11:54 PM) |
| don't be such an elitist. we were all "noobs" at some point or another.... well, except for me. i was born a computer-genius. seriously, though. listen to yourself |
I am actually not an elitist at all. It's my impression that many others feel the same way I do.
Say you and your 2 buddies sit down for a nice 6-pack of Corona. Mmmm...you love the taste of it. It's nice and refreshing. Then 17 people show up and want some, too...except they think the taste of beer is a little too harsh for them...and they don't feel like going for a drive to the packie (what we call a package store in Massachusetts). So you're forced to water this beer down. All of a sudden it doesn't taste so good.
Just because I liked the way my Corona tasted before doesn't make me an elitist. I just happened to like the taste of it. Now, I'm forced to experience the beer in a different way because all of a sudden these strangers showed up and aren't willing to accept the fact that they might have to bite the bullet and buy themselves a beer so everyone can enjoy it. It may take a little more sweat on their part, but such is life.
Stuff like this waters down the scene...
Post by: Asmodeus on July 03, 2003, 08:04:00 PM
Hey look at that.....ANOTHER long-winded post from me.....what a suprise!
Post by: Xeero on July 03, 2003, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: Xeero on July 03, 2003, 08:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (HumanClay @ Jul 4 2003, 12:05 AM) |
| But is it realy changing anything for you? Say the beer is your xbox. It does the same thnig now as it did yesterday. |
In my analogy, the beer was the scene. My closing line was that this stuff waters down the scene. Of course it's not going to change anything in my Xbox because I am planning on keeping my modchip as it will probably prove to be a much more solid solution than this. I'm not concerned for my Xbox. I grieve for the scene.
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 08:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (Xeero @ Jul 4 2003, 04:01 AM) | ||
I am actually not an elitist at all. It's my impression that many others feel the same way I do. Say you and your 2 buddies sit down for a nice 6-pack of Corona. Mmmm...you love the taste of it. It's nice and refreshing. Then 17 people show up and want some, too...except they think the taste of beer is a little too harsh for them...and they don't feel like going for a drive to the packie (what we call a package store in Massachusetts). So you're forced to water this beer down. All of a sudden it doesn't taste so good. Just because I liked the way my Corona tasted before doesn't make me an elitist. I just happened to like the taste of it. Now, I'm forced to experience the beer in a different way because all of a sudden these strangers showed up and aren't willing to accept the fact that they might have to bite the bullet and buy themselves a beer so everyone can enjoy it. It may take a little more sweat on their part, but such is life. Stuff like this waters down the scene... |
Exactly... except, add to that "Micro$oft" changing the law and making the legal drinking age 57... and you'll see what I'm worried about...
| QUOTE |
| The newbie calling is a bunch of BS...even Free-X was a newbie at one point, watch who u call a newbie because one day that newbie might just be more "133t" then you are. Besides, whats the diffrence...we are suppose to all be on the same team right? |
I am on the same team as those who want to run homebrew applications on their Xbox... I am not on the same team as those who see this as a way to get "free games"...
Post by: Xeero on July 03, 2003, 08:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (LinksAwakening @ Jul 4 2003, 12:10 AM) | ||
I am on the same team as those who want to run homebrew applications on their Xbox... I am not on the same team as those who see this as a way to get "free games"... |
Here, here.
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 08:13:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dunny @ Jul 4 2003, 04:11 AM) |
| the "scene" is open to everyone though, and as Humanclay said it probably wont change anything for you .... that beer was given to you and now you have to share it! |
But what if (because of the addition of beer-drinkers) they now take away ALL the beer?
Now... everyone suffers because of the newcomers...
Post by: Xeero on July 03, 2003, 08:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dunny @ Jul 4 2003, 12:11 AM) |
| the "scene" is open to everyone though, and as Humanclay said it probably wont change anything for you .... that beer was given to you and now you have to share it! |
No, the beer was not given to me. I busted my ass and bought it myself, just as I have busted my ass contributing to the scene. This will change the flavor. It will water it down.
Post by: Dunny on July 03, 2003, 08:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (Xeero @ Jul 4 2003, 05:14 AM) | ||
No, the beer was not given to me. I busted my ass and bought it myself, just as I have busted my ass contributing to the scene. This will change the flavor. It will water it down. |
unless you were the one who originally cracked the xbox (if so I apologise
) then the beer was given to you, they could have drank it themselves and left you thirsty.lets stop with all the beer talk now
Post by: Shadow_Mx on July 03, 2003, 08:24:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| very much doubt even a boot disc getting released would finish the XBOX. |
Mainly cuz it would have to be signed by ms or else it wouldnt boot.....
but there could be other ways that do not involve the 007/mA imo
Post by: mustang79 on July 03, 2003, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: HumanClay on July 03, 2003, 08:26:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| In my analogy, the beer was the scene. My closing line was that this stuff waters down the scene. Of course it's not going to change anything in my Xbox because I am planning on keeping my modchip as it will probably prove to be a much more solid solution than this. I'm not concerned for my Xbox. I grieve for the scene. |
Yeah true you said the beer was the scene my bad, it will change the scene to an extent maybe alot more bad posters and people asking dumb questions but will ti stop groups like the Avaluanch team and Xbmp team and xport and all these great folks from making great stuff...i think not
Post by: woo on July 03, 2003, 08:28:00 PM
Seriously though, the scenario I see is that the geek kid at school, with the knowledge and Mega-X/007 to do it, will just tell us his mates he can make their XBOX's play Halo for free, without invalidating their warranty or them having to even pay anything. Only takes a few minutes to do, is permanent and risk free.
Do I see this as having potential to "dilute" the XBOX-SCENE. Well, yes, but if moderators here do their job well enough, it shouldn't affect these forums too much. The Dreamcast scene is still relatively vibrant and has always been a better scene than this (I think thanks to a legal devkit). DC you only need to burn games to play them and yet things there haven't turned sour or n00b. I don't think our fears are that well founded, when you consider how that scene had faired.
Post by: Xeero on July 03, 2003, 08:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (Dunny @ Jul 4 2003, 12:18 AM) | ||||
unless you were the one who originally cracked the xbox (if so I apologise ) then the beer was given to you, they could have drank it themselves and left you thirsty.lets stop with all the beer talk now |
I didn't say I invented the beer; I said I invested my time and effort into being able to buy the beer, in a manner of speaking.
Post by: nautiazn85 on July 03, 2003, 08:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (Xeero @ Jul 4 2003, 03:40 AM) |
| This makes me uneasy with the entire scene. I don't like this scene. I like the extra-hardware-required scene. |
I think many of us feel this way. But it's out of our control now.
If you think about it though, many people will still be detered. There are still complications (although the hack will probably be further developed and these complications resolved). Knowing where to get your files, and swapping a prepared/locked hard disk first come to mind. Then knowing how to network your machine to copy things.
It still requires computer savvy skills. Although I agree it's not difficult to learn, but it requires learning none-the-less. Most consumers are too lazy to learn.
Post by: Novahux on July 03, 2003, 08:36:00 PM
Good to see some people with some common sense.
Hardly anyone gave a shit about Project neo, it was even officially endorsed by XBS.
http://forums.xbox-s...ndpost&p=260149
Post by: Xeero on July 03, 2003, 08:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (mustang79 @ Jul 4 2003, 12:24 AM) |
| Xeero, you're articulate, but your underlying premise (that newbies water down the scene) is wrong. I agree that there are different kinds of noobs, the kind that ask/demand and the kind that search/work for their knowledge/answers. I think that more users will only make the scene better. I welcome the "expected onslaught" from M$ that everyone here seems to expect. We're not doing anything wrong. Personally, games were an added bonus for me at the very bottom of a good list of what i could do with my xbox. I've been impressed to no end at what i can do with it thanks to the work of others (xbplayer, emulators (questionable legality), linux, etc). Anyway, i think that your "watered down" theory doesn't hold...uh... Maybe you just prefer the idea of the "scene" being more exclusive. That's too bad. |
Again, your odd allusion to some kind of n00b-fear and exclusivity don't have anything to do with it. My beer-analogy is getting blown WAY out of proportion by now, but allow me to reference it again. I did say that I would have no problem if they just brought their own beer, that meaning that as long as they are willing to put in an effort to make it all come together, that is fine. However, my problem is the people that come and want things for free (free games, minimal effort, etc.) without ever giving back to the scene. I don't care if the forums tripled in size and the newbie-base grew exponentially...as long as the newbies brought with them an ambition. But the type of newbies that are generally lured to the scene by something along the lines of mod-free, chip-free, hardware-free, effort-free explotation are those without such ambition. I'm not saying EVERYONE fills this stereotype, but most people do.
Post by: Xeero on July 03, 2003, 08:42:00 PM
| QUOTE (woo @ Jul 4 2003, 12:28 AM) |
| Seriously though, the scenario I see is that the geek kid at school, with the knowledge and Mega-X/007 to do it, will just tell us his mates he can make their XBOX's play Halo for free, without invalidating their warranty or them having to even pay anything. Only takes a few minutes to do, is permanent and risk free. |
That sounds fantastic to me. But that is not how it is going to be. It's not going be a population of "geek kids" saturating the Xbox userbase and doing a neat little mod for them that will never create any mess. It's going to be his "mates" that come here directly and want a personalized walkthrough on the entire process. Maybe they lack the attention span, maybe the style of the tutorial didn't appeal to them. It doesn't matter. It's no excuse to put in a null effort.
Post by: Ridley on July 03, 2003, 08:48:00 PM
I'm not trying to sound like a troll or anything, it's just that I have a different opinion on the whole issue.
Post by: jsm on July 03, 2003, 08:49:00 PM
In the worse case scenario, just like one of the latest bioses that hanged at the end when flashing the tsop (it was completed but just hanged), both teams could easely make it so their bios wont load on a TSOP, I just hope it doesn't happen, it would be a real mess.
Post by: twistedsymphony on July 03, 2003, 08:49:00 PM
when I bought my xbox I had no intension of moding till a friend wanted me to mod his and I had lots of soldering experience. so I started researching and ordered a few of the first xecuter chips.
I think that the xbox scene has FAR greater (non pirating) potential than the dreamcast. from my POV the Dreamcast was a pirating scene with a few select groups that ran linux and emulators and old PC games.
with the xbox those few small groups from the dreamcast crowd have grow into one large group. now there are essentially two scenes. those who are interesed in pirating, and those who are interested in expanding the capibilities of the xbox (modders credo: because they can). and maybe it's because I'm on the other side of the fence now but it feels as if the latter of the two is now also the larger.
the "xbox-scene" scene has done a fine job of keeping out the "riff-raff" from the other group and I think any addition only adds to the flavor (b33r analogy) with more people interested in seing how far the potential of the xbox can reach the more the creative juices flow and we pull further and further away from the pirates and into a place where the general public and the media dont see "hacker" and "modder" as evil doers... sure it's WAY far off but we're on the right road...
(on an unrelated or related note) I dont care how they put it ... WHAT free-x did was fine... HOW free-x did it was blackmail
Post by: woo on July 03, 2003, 08:54:00 PM
I still think we can take heart at the way the Dreamcast scene came out relatively unscathed and indeed has flourished. I guess there is a difference though in that with DC you only needed to burn the game, but for XBOX, these forums provide a lot of background information to all levels of users. Time will tell, but I don't see it being a big drama just yet.
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 08:58:00 PM
| QUOTE (woo @ Jul 4 2003, 04:54 AM) |
| then it's upto the moderators here and forum regulars to give no charity and make sure the scene and the rules and regulations here are respected. I still think we can take heart at the way the Dreamcast scene came out relatively unscathed and indeed has flourished. I guess there is a difference though in that with DC you only needed to burn the game, but for XBOX, these forums provide a lot of background information to all levels of users. Time will tell, but I don't see it being a big drama just yet. |
Although the Dreamcast scene is still in motion, the game developers have long since died out.
I really don't expect the homebrew Xbox Scene to die out too much, but keep in mind that people here still like to play Xbox games... and I would hate to see game developers stop developing Xbox games because of this exploit...
Post by: shaklee3 on July 03, 2003, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: tem on July 03, 2003, 09:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (shaklee3 @ Jul 4 2003, 05:59 AM) |
| Using the phrase "M$" gives you absolutely no credibility and makes you look like a moron. I hope you die. |
lmao
Post by: Novahux on July 03, 2003, 09:02:00 PM
everyone I know, won't install a modchip in their friends or family members xbox, because they will be blamed for any unrelated hardware, software issue for the life of the xbox. So the % of xbox owners with mod chips will stay low and under the M$ radar. (not worth their $$$ addressing the problem to aggressively).
Free-X , Project neo type, short sightedness is going to make it worth M$ trouble to fuck with our dashboards and we could even see virus like seek and destroy code attached to new game XBE's.
I feel that we have a good thing here, and we will lose it, due to the Pirates and Xbox-linux dickwads, when their only apparent goal is to prove to M$ they could do it. and to finaly get a returned email from them.
Post by: Mage on July 03, 2003, 09:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (shaklee3 @ Jul 3 2003, 09:59 PM) |
| Using the phrase "M$" gives you absolutely no credibility and makes you look like a moron. I hope you die. |
Hey, before you comment why don't you write out M-icrosoft (without the dash) once on this board and hit preview and see what happens?
M-icrosoft is auto-replaced with M$.
Post by: Evolution D on July 03, 2003, 09:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mage @ Jul 4 2003, 06:03 AM) |
| Hey, before you comment why don't you write out M-icrosoft (without the dash) once on this board and hit preview and see what happens? M-icrosoft is auto-replaced with M$. |
Post by: jsm on July 03, 2003, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: woo on July 03, 2003, 09:36:00 PM
and maybe then you'd see native and not ported emulators. *not that I'm not ungrateful for what we have already, but...*Back on topic. I just think we need to take a deep breath here. What's done is done and nobody really knows the outcome of this. Let's just kick back and treat the ignorant with the same lack of respect we always have
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 09:50:00 PM
However, this feature itself will soon be expelled, as all M$ would have to do is make an updated dashboard (without the security exploit), and not allow users on Xbox LIVE without the updated Dashboard. A quick fix that M$ can do within a few days...
Granted, this won't stop the exploit altogether, but will bring it down to it's knees and truly make it look totally worthless compared to a modchip (as if it didn't already)...
Post by: Evolution D on July 03, 2003, 09:55:00 PM
And plus, once games on on eth ehardrive and update cant stop someone from playing them. They will still be on their hardrive.
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 10:04:00 PM
| QUOTE (HumanClay @ Jul 4 2003, 05:53 AM) | ||
lol, its cheaper than an x2 and does the same thing. How is it look totally worthless compared to a chip |
(These are all assuming you aren't using it to flash the TSOP) Can you install an bigger HDD and run games from it? Can you use IGR? Can you have it boot to Evoxdash.xbe?
I didn't think so...
Also, how is buying a Mega X Key and 007: AUF cheaper than a Cheapmod?
| QUOTE |
| If they come out with a update.. just dont go on live And plus, once games on on eth ehardrive and update cant stop someone from playing them. They will still be on their hardrive. |
Ok... but you seem to be forgetting that the only real point of this exploit at this point is to play backedup games on LIVE.
I suppose you could just try to live in the shadows with your hacked Xbox, but I don't see any point in that...
Post by: bb07 on July 03, 2003, 10:17:00 PM
Post by: feflicker on July 03, 2003, 10:25:00 PM
Well, it wasn't an end, but it did bring in a higher percentage of technology illiterate noobs. I have a feeling this is going to get out of hand in a hurry
Pre 7-4-2003 Closed Post:
"My chip came today! I just got my green flashing light, now where do I download Halo?"
Post 7-4-2003 Closed Post:
"I just downloaded my 007_Dash_Mod.rar file, now where do I download Halo2?"
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 10:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (bb07 @ Jul 4 2003, 06:17 AM) |
| i can see it now Follow M$ 10 Easy Steps the scene gets bigger(because of no-chip hack) M$ see this,and worrys about priacy M$ releaseing games that flash your shit or erases your F partion more people run backups on live M$ see this,and raises price for live and cheater fuckup live A new hack come out More people come to the scene M$ gets tried of priacy M$ blames modchips M$fuckups scene M$fuckups xbox-scene.com M$ fucks up fun Ps....buy a modchip and don't fuck with Live Amen |
I am 97% sure that I agree with you (not 100%, because I didn't understand some parts)...
| QUOTE |
| and cheater fuckup live |
???
Anyway, I agree with this. The Scene was doing great before this pointless exploit, and I hope people will realize that this doesn't really replace a modchip, and I hope they will buy a modchip and actually become a part of the scene.
I don't want to see M$ have to take drastic measures to fix this exploit. I just think we should do our best to try and preserve the Scene the way it is now (well... like 4 hours ago...).
My guess is that the exploit will bring in n00bs looking to try it out, who will realize it is a much better decision to just buy an actual modchip, and then hopefully the scene will grow...
Post by: Xbox-Savage on July 03, 2003, 10:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (HumanClay @ Jul 4 2003, 03:29 AM) |
| you can run backups on Live so in a way its better than a chip! |
like namdekan said: If you use this hack in anyway that make people able to cheat on XBL I hope you die a painful and slow death.
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 03, 2003, 10:34:00 PM
Honestly, yes... it can do most of what a modchip can do, but who wants to use this hack and live in fear of M$ releasing a complete fix to the exploit and you being back at square 1?
How could this happen with a modchip?
If anything, I would just recommend people use this to flash their TSOP, and then forget all about the dashboard flaw, and just enjoy the "modchip" in the TSOP... without worry...
Only downside to this... No backups on LIVE... which will only last a few days anyway...
Post by: bb07 on July 03, 2003, 10:35:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| I hope you realize it can. Yuo somehow refuse to believe that it can do what a modchip can lol its getting out of hand. It CAN replace a modchip dude. It launches the same apps, u can upgrade hddd and run games and everything man. And more, you can run backups on Live so in a way its better than a chip! |
lol,no
when M$ gets there shit together(fixing flaws and patching Live)
than everyone will run back to there modchips
Post by: bb07 on July 03, 2003, 10:47:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Remember when we thought "pogo-pins" was the end of X-S as we know it? |
but this one going to hit the scene
(it might have death blow this time)
Post by: feflicker on July 03, 2003, 10:51:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| but this one going to hit the scene (it might have death blow this time) |
Like a finishing move from MK3!
Post by: bb07 on July 03, 2003, 10:55:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Like a finishing move from MK3! |
pogo pin = Quan Chi finisher in Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance(gay ass fininsher
)new dashboard = cyrax finsher in MK3(Blows up the world
)
Post by: Troed on July 03, 2003, 11:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (Novahux @ Jul 4 2003, 04:36 AM) |
| Good to see some people with some common sense. Hardly anyone gave a shit about Project neo, it was even officially endorsed by XBS. http://forums.xbox-s...ndpost&p=260149 |
No one cared about project NEO because only an IDIOT would try to bruteforce 2048 bit RSA.
Post by: Troed on July 03, 2003, 11:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (Calathia @ Jul 4 2003, 06:48 AM) | ||
Can you please clarify this for me? I thought Sony is the only one profiting....? P.S. 'Been nintendo fan since 1985  ..Respect.. |
Sony began profiting off the PS2 after having sold 20 million units. They're up to 50 now I think - they're doing well.
Nintendo is extremely profitable, and has been since day one. It's the only non-hacked platform. (And don't get started on the isos ... they're not playable).
Xbox has never earned M$ a cent, and never will. It's also the most pirated platform of the three. Developers better stay away from both the Xbox and Xbox 2 ..
Post by: BillaBoz on July 03, 2003, 11:41:00 PM
Post by: nix2k on July 03, 2003, 11:51:00 PM
I've been around all of this for long enough to know that this kind of stuff wont destroy the "scene". What we have right now is a limited number of people doing something that a few hypocritical people dont like. Its ok to mod your xbox using a hardware solution, but a software solution is the root of all that is evil. I am sorry, but this is so incredibly stupid.
Some people think that this will cause a huge influx of 13-year old pirate kids who got an xbox for Christmas. Of course it will. But this is no different from any other console available right now. I'll admit, that yes, when I was younger, I pirated software. But not many 14-15 year olds have jobs to pay 50-60 bucks a game. I'd like to say times have changed since then, but they haven't. Just join a console piracy channel on IRC somewhere... you'll find that a good percentage of the people there are young.... Somehow they have modified consoles, someone had to do it for them. I have modded enough systems to know that the xbox is BY FAR the easiest console mod I have ever done... anyone with a steady hand can do it.
Now, that whole last paragraph was a bunch of nothing, but there is a point coming. The Playstation2 piracy scene (in my opinion anyway), is much greater than the xbox piracy scene. Raise your hand if you've ever done a 22-wire PS2 mod. These kids have modded consoles, these same kids could get a modded xbox console. Somehow this hasn't destroyed the "scene", and yet all of you people are catastrophizing something that isn't already available.
Sure, it could cause some problems with Live, but how many people in the homebrew scene spend any time on Live. Personally, I dont even do homebrew. I bought an xbox, and then I bought a modchip. I could pirate stuff all day long if I wanted, but I dont. My xbox is my "media box". I play around with it, I even play a few SNES roms from time to time. But I still havent found any good reason for me to spend that much money for the Live kit, plus the monthly fee, plus my ISP bill. Its a waste of money.
Mandatory updates, thats just a waste of my time talking about this. Sure you could force the user to update their dashboard or whatever. How many people have modded xboxes and still use the MS dash. You can modify BIOSes to run any dashboard, with any name (come on, random letters work here), and run it from three different places. People complaining about a possible mandatory update havent quite thought that through yet.
Anyway, sitting around crying about something that wont happen is a waste of everyones time. Bitch and moan all you want, but it wont happen. The whole downside here is this: all "scenes" have some piracy involved. There is always a group of people (big or small) that just plain don't want to pay for games. It is a simple fact of life. The PSX had it, the PS2 has it, and you better believe the xbox has it... whether anyone likes it or not.
This "exploit" doesnt change a thing. Anyway, flame away.
Post by: Xboxer on July 04, 2003, 01:08:00 AM
What Im trying to say is that a console only gamer is not likely to go dig around on how to hack the box + you cant use it on LIVE which is the hip thing now days. Another thing is that Xbox has a lot of old age gamers,that will spend 50$ in a second , just to get away from the RLwife or whatever.Did I made my point? Sorry I am a foreigner
All I wanted to say is that this can be only a good thing for Xbox/M$.No wonder why Free-x didnt get any responce from MS. Yeah,I'll let your run your shit over my shit and I have to pay you too.................dreams.edit:btw I buy the games that I like.Over 40 PC and about 15 Xbox games,I'll make a picture if you need proof.
Post by: dfunked on July 04, 2003, 02:08:00 AM
Post by: Johnrx86 on July 04, 2003, 02:13:00 AM
| QUOTE (LinksAwakening @ Jul 4 2003, 03:36 AM) |
| Here are the bad points: -M$ will inevitably incorporate security fixes in Xbox LIVE services to correct this exploit, which could also bring trouble to actual modchip users aswell. -M$ may incorporate automatic, mandatory dashboard updates in newer games that will fix the dashboard flaw, which could (although unlikely with evoxdash.xbe bios) cause problems for actual modchip users as well. |
Don't worry it'll be patched in our favor
Post by: LinksAwakening on July 06, 2003, 02:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (Johnrx86 @ Jul 4 2003, 10:13 AM) | ||
Don't worry it'll be patched in our favor |
What is that supposed to mean?
Why would M$ patch it in your favor?