Post by: bleugh on December 30, 2003, 05:30:00 AM
the only reason it wouldnt have worked is because evox has autoadditem as F:apps, and i'll bet you dont know how to edit evox.ini to point towards other drives
well, simply 'edit' evox.ini and add a line near the autoadditem F:apps bit and call it autoadditem as C:apps
now you can put your apps on C drive!
no way of 'defragging' xbox hdd, simply ftp everything to your PC, format the drive and ftp everything back
Post by: sncboom2k on December 05, 2002, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: sncboom2k on December 05, 2002, 12:26:00 PM
Sncboom2k
Post by: BenJeremy on December 05, 2002, 01:21:00 PM
It's not a simple thing, that's for sure. Even the software for the PC can't do a great job of it.
Now a program that frees up space after some programs fail in properly erasing stuff... that would be nice. Something that cleans up directory entries like Disk Doctor would be useful.
Post by: 82ross on December 05, 2002, 04:50:00 PM
. Sounds simple in theory.
Post by: Nailed on December 05, 2002, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: Icculus on December 05, 2002, 08:49:00 PM
. Any other solutions? A defrag program WOULD kick unmitigated ass 
Post by: Nailed on December 05, 2002, 10:10:00 PM
Post by: sncboom2k on December 06, 2002, 02:52:00 AM
Post by: Max_Payne on January 04, 2004, 06:41:00 PM
Anyone who wants me to defrag their hard drive, simply PM me and send me their Xbox, I will gladly take the trouble from you.
The search button is your friend.
Post by: DJB on January 05, 2004, 04:55:00 AM
Theory-wise you would think (especially if you're shuffling games on your XBOX) that a defrag every once in a while would do the hard drive good.
So I'm just as curious if there is actually a HDD Defrag tool for XBOX...
Anyone else got more info, and more importantly a name of the program if it exsists??
Post by: stylepts on January 06, 2004, 02:41:00 AM
Post by: arazfar on January 06, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: arazfar on January 06, 2004, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: JBNinja99 on January 06, 2004, 05:29:00 PM
i've transfered over 90gb's to my xbox hd...still runs fine.
Post by: nezff on January 06, 2004, 05:31:00 PM
Post by: Deeez on December 09, 2002, 04:17:00 AM
anyone had any problems deleting games that are old or dont want anymore. I one point i deleted a game and right after that 2 games in a row didnt work right. Do you think it left some files behind or what? Those games work find now but im wondering if anyone else deleted large amount of games and installed more after that or have had that simular problem.
Post by: archon76 on December 09, 2002, 05:50:00 AM
Now lets say you have three games on your hard drive like this.
game1game1game1game1game1game1
game1game1game1game1game1game1
game2game2game2game2game2game2
game2game2game2game2game2game2
game2game2game2game2game2game2
game3game3game3game3game3game3
game3game3game3game3game3game3
Lets say you delete game2 and it was 3gig. So you copy a new game to the hard drive to fill in game2. This game is 4 gig. Then it would look like this.
game1game1game1game1game1game1
game1game1game1game1game1game1
game2game2game2game2game2game2
game2game2game2game2game2game2
game2game2game2game2game2game2
game3game3game3game3game3game3
game3game3game3game3game3game3
game2game2game2game2game2game2 <--problem with speed
You can see the problem when it is reading game2 data it may have jump below game3.
Hope this helps
Post by: Deeez on December 09, 2002, 03:12:00 PM
Post by: archon76 on December 09, 2002, 08:37:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Unless the drive is really fragmented it should not make a difference. Seek and transfer times are *much* faster than DVD-ROM so I think you would hardly notices. There is a project on xboxdeveloper that is a defrag program for XBOX however there has not been a version released yet. |
Granted the data transfer from a HD is considerably faster. If you are in the middle of playing a game and the hard drives has to seek back and forth beteewn different areas you WILL see it. As soon as you start deleting data and replacing it fragmentation will occur. The more you do the more it will happen. There have been many posts from people about this problem occuring. Thats why I posted what I did.
That project has been listed on their site for quite some time. I hope we will see it.
Post by: BaggerS on January 15, 2004, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: dewmonger on January 15, 2004, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: D0Gs3gG on January 15, 2004, 11:19:00 AM
HA!
Post by: Xtrem on January 15, 2004, 11:24:00 AM
Post by: lookformeb on January 15, 2004, 11:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (Xtrem @ Jan 15 2004, 03:24 PM) |
| One Cool Feature Would BeTo Be Able To Scan And Clean The Hdd AndDefrag Like A Pc |
"Cleaning" would turn into massive amount of issue with lesser life forms... bad idea.
Post by: Xtrem on January 15, 2004, 11:27:00 AM
| QUOTE (D0Gs3gG @ Jan 15 2004, 09:19 PM) |
| HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HA! |
Are You Stupid Or You Just Like To Be That Way
Post by: BaggerS on January 16, 2004, 03:56:00 AM
go tap sum buttons elsewhere then
ok is it possible to do it through linux as windows has its own defragmentor, or can even windows CE do this?
Post by: moistness on January 16, 2004, 04:04:00 AM
Post by: GFS on January 17, 2004, 05:22:00 AM
Has anyone experienced issues with fragmentation over time (installing and de-installing apps etc) and is there a current or planned defragmenting program to solve it?
Ta...GFS.
Post by: moistness on January 17, 2004, 05:28:00 AM
Its a problem, same as pc drives, but no app yet for it, team avalaunch are/were sposed to be implimenting it in the future but no eta!
Post by: GFS on January 17, 2004, 06:00:00 AM
I kinda knew it must be an *issue*.
Would deleting all files and reinstalling and overwriting via a backup *partially* solve the problem or is that too simplistic?
I like Avalaunch, hope they dev a solution for this
Post by: mrRobinson on January 17, 2004, 06:02:00 AM
Post by: heinrich on January 17, 2004, 04:19:00 PM
Post by: GFS on January 17, 2004, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: reedy on December 12, 2002, 03:50:00 PM
Is there a prog for the Xbox HD?
And if so, does anyone know the name?
cheers,
Post by: phantazma1 on December 12, 2002, 04:25:00 PM
Post by: 82ross on December 12, 2002, 05:50:00 PM
Post by: scoobster on December 12, 2002, 05:57:00 PM
I'm sure it will happen eventually
for now all you can do is move everything to pc via ftp, format drive, recopy to xbox
a little time consuming, but if it's really fragmented it might be worth doing
Post by: Troll123 on December 12, 2002, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: NerdENerd on December 12, 2002, 10:44:00 PM
Post by: roar on January 27, 2004, 05:38:00 PM
Post by: AlienTiger on January 27, 2004, 11:45:00 PM
Post by: Intensecure on January 28, 2004, 02:03:00 AM
Try it and let us all have fun at yr expense...
Post by: AkumAPRIME on January 31, 2004, 10:39:00 AM
also, I know I could backup, then delete format, etc my HDD to defrag it, but is there a way to do it without formatting it?
thanx
ehb
Post by: BCfosheezy on January 31, 2004, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: Mr Deez on February 06, 2004, 09:25:00 AM
| QUOTE (AlienTiger @ Jan 28 2004, 09:45 AM) |
| why not take out the hd in the xbox and place it inside your cpu as another HD and defrag it that way |
As previously stated, th file allocation system is FatX, not NTFS or Fat32.
Post by: thewickedjester on February 16, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
Post by: Jsmith on December 22, 2002, 09:47:00 PM
I'm just wondering. If I stream music to my Xbox using Relax and Xbox Media Player, do I risk fragmenting my hard drive?
Like, how does it work, does it continuosly cache data into a temporary folder which then gets deleted after it's read and played back?
If so, I would think there would be some risk of serious fragmentation over time. So whats the deal? Is this at all a concern, or no?
Thanks!
Post by: sncboom2k on December 22, 2002, 11:24:00 PM
Post by: Jsmith on December 23, 2002, 12:31:00 PM
Looks like I'll be doing some streaming tonight.
Post by: noobiex2 on December 28, 2002, 07:31:00 PM
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Post by: LESTAT on March 24, 2004, 09:31:00 PM
my 120 gig is noisy as a family of squirrels.. and it dont need to be that way,, its from heavy fragmentation from dumping files on it then deleteing them.
countless gigs of them
and to the chap who said it does it on its own,., i dont think so,, but i can also see that it is doing it,, i can stop gaming or watching movies and a bit later come back and my xbox hard drive is , about ever 1 second making a crunching noise like its working. At first i thought someone was in it thru ftp,, like they had bounced thru my router and into my xbox, but that wasnt the case.
the xbox does something after a while when nothing is going on, whether its defrag or not, i dont know.
and as for those who think FatX dont need defragged.
well, honestly i cant seem to fathom your mentalllity in thinking that.
countless megs and gigs of data written and erased and moved around here and there all over the hard drive.
after a while all those chunks become little pieces of empty space here and there, just like any other hard drive in the world and it needs to be defragged.
i welcome the day when there is a defragonizerschnitzlheimer tool for the xbox.
p.s.
that is a word,,, look around you'll find it. lol
Post by: LESTAT on March 24, 2004, 09:55:00 PM
xyz are just cache partitions so no need to defrag but E is game saves and music and game cache and all the junk like download content from Live,, and xbox music mixer. and all the music a person might dump there for use with that program. and other stuff of your personal use.
the C partition is nothing, and the files are so small that fragmentation is not likely. possible surely, but most unlikely.
the font and sound files in the C partition would be some of the first to be fragmented, although, if you have never touched them, then they would never have been moved, thus not fragmented. but with evox and other dashes and font and audio exploits, the C drive is totally jumbled up and most assuredly a total mess. thats why when its booting it can be rather loud yet game loading is mostly not heard. or extremely quiet. although i do have plenty of games that load quite loudly,, but again, the cache partitions and the cache partition of your C drive are most definatley severely fragmented.
not to mention that when you delete stuff, in the ms dash at least, its not even deleted , its only marked as deleted within the FAT table. thats why you can delete a huge amount of ripped music and its instantly "deleted" its not deleted at all, just marked deleted.
overall it sucks balls but the best way to do this is to back up your important stuff and redo the entire hard drive from scratch. redo that partitions and format them
hooking it to your pc and zeroing the hard drive with a hard drive partitioning tool,
hhmmm, that brings up a thought, are there any partitioning tools or disk doctor tools that could read fat x ?
and possibly defrag it while its hooked to your pc ? i dont think O&O Reads fat x does it ?
Post by: MorfiusX on December 29, 2002, 11:32:00 AM
Post by: mrRobinson on May 11, 2004, 04:01:00 PM
Post by: LepPpeR on May 11, 2004, 05:39:00 PM
Post by: triggernum5 on May 12, 2004, 06:40:00 AM
Post by: mrRobinson on May 12, 2004, 10:01:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=213411
Post by: GuyBrush on January 15, 2003, 01:26:00 PM
now fragmented files don't really affect NTFS sytems - I can vouch for that cos I defrag my XP system like once a year (when I'm bored)
then again I'm hearing of games from hdd that give the "dirty disk error"
some ppl think it cud be fragmented temp files since the retail discs also refuse to work even though they work on other boxes....???
Post by: Chopstick on January 15, 2003, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: GuyBrush on January 15, 2003, 01:34:00 PM
your files will still get fragmented but it will not affect performance that much.
ntfs file systems are still able to access and handle fragmented files as if normal!
thats what I meant! sorry if it wasn't clear...........
Post by: M3_DeL on January 15, 2003, 02:02:00 PM
Post by: jman11587 on January 16, 2003, 12:59:00 PM
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Post by: taint on January 16, 2003, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: wmfms on January 16, 2003, 01:16:00 PM
Except about 3 months in, the newer games I copied would begin to hang during the intro animations, and the older ones would take ages to load (Timesplitters 2 especially, I could leave it on the loading screen for 10 minutes before anything would happen!!).
And a week later, the 80gb HDD made a high-pitched whirring sound and died.
So DO NOT copy and delete games or any massive files (1gb+) from your hard disk.
I read somewhere that the translucent green debug unit allows you to copy games to the hard disk, and I've seen an debug cd on ebay that claims to have a defrag util on it - which would make sense.
Post by: BenJeremy on January 16, 2003, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: Mshake on January 16, 2003, 02:23:00 PM
now, if this is true it makes me wonder whether there ARE any differences between a conventional hd and the original hd that comes with the xbox!?... but then again, if there were any differences other than the old ata security measures, we wouldn't have been able to put the original hd into our pc and use it eh ..
Check out the forum article here
Post by: BenJeremy on January 16, 2003, 02:30:00 PM
Unfortunately, even NTFS, big brother to XDFS, requires defragging now and then.
Still, XDFS requires little bother and shouldn't bog down too much.
Post by: Mshake on January 16, 2003, 02:32:00 PM
when i first posted, ... a red msg appears that says 'flood control' .. so i waited for 8-9 minutes and post my msg hehhee.. didn't know it would do a double post ..
Post by: dapoopta on January 16, 2003, 02:36:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on January 16, 2003, 02:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (GuyBrush @ Jan 16 2003, 05:44 PM) |
| the link on mshakes post is interesting, it appears the original hdd on the box has special firmware that allows it to store critical files (game cache) in a certain way and on certain partitions. ---maybe true also since it has 3 cache drives (xyz) it appears that to clean a cache u need to just run 3 different games (from dvd???) and each one clears the next cache in line for its own use ---makes sense but the best solution I can think of is one of u bright xbox programmers out there shud make a defrag util for the box (I program but hate it so I won't even bother!) |
There have always been three partitions.
I think the system rotates how they are assigned each time an application comes up.
There is no special firmware in the Xbox hard drives.
Post by: BenJeremy on January 16, 2003, 02:47:00 PM
Post by: BenJeremy on January 16, 2003, 03:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (GuyBrush @ Jan 16 2003, 05:54 PM) |
| never sed there weren't or otherwise - just stated that the box has some system of using them (as u sed, rotates) and that there might be an xplanation on how to clean them and I did say they were cache partitions, didn't I also was just mentioning the firmware thing though it isn't true - we can use the orig hdd in the pc and it doesn't misbehave, just thought it was interesting........ now whos making the defrag util??? LOL! |
Well, I think there are several projects out there supposedly working on a defragger.
I think it would be interesting to put something like that to the test.
BTW: The XDK mentions that applications can format the scratchpad partitions... just FYI.
Post by: Mshake on January 16, 2003, 03:15:00 PM
just hop over to xbox development.net i think... where there's a whole list of projects...
DefragX seems to be nil = zero = 0% progress ... so guess ppl have decided that we don't need em.... or hd manufacturers know their 120gigs are selling like hotcakes and paid them not to do it? hehehe... no offense...jus kidding if u happen to be one the person in the project...
Post by: MIC on January 16, 2003, 08:53:00 PM
i never have problem with my 40gig
Post by: Chopstick on January 17, 2003, 01:33:00 AM
Post by: Hammy on January 17, 2003, 02:49:00 AM
Post by: Mshake on January 17, 2003, 05:31:00 AM
At times, while playing good ole games with emulators and also launching/playing some files in xbmp, well my xbox comes up with no screen, not sure it's the file/application or the hd is overheating, ... but considering its summer over here... i am not too sure..
Any definitive symptoms of hard drive failure besides strange noise?
Post by: Mshake on January 17, 2003, 06:57:00 AM
wonder if using Raid drives would be a good choice... i could have 1+++ terabytes to backup lol
my entire cd collection? since age of 7? etc
hahhaa...
Post by: Chopstick on January 20, 2003, 01:00:00 AM
Post by: baturkin17 on January 21, 2003, 06:02:00 AM
Post by: spitznerk on January 27, 2003, 10:36:00 AM
There is a Project called DEFRAG-x out there; status unknown
Post by: sss on January 27, 2003, 11:39:00 AM
Post by: ajohnamous on October 13, 2004, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: MrWizdumb on February 02, 2003, 11:09:00 AM
Post by: davidarcher2000 on February 02, 2003, 11:49:00 AM
I modded my Xbox two days ago and have been transferring games from my PC to the Xbox HD with FTP. The first game (Halo) took about 10 minutes to transfer over. The second game (Splinter Cell) took over two hours.
I'm about to put in my new 120 gig HD though this afternoon and the FTP backup is currently going at like 30k/sec. Just backing up the C partition is going to take like 40 minutes. I'll report back after the swap is done and see if that fixes anything.
My settings are as follows:
Passive FTP is off, I've tried two FTP clients (FlashFXP and WS_FTP Pro) and both give me the same dismal transfer rate. I've tried setting my network card media type settings from Auto-detect to 100BaseTX then to 10BaseT with no change at all in the speed (It's back on Auto-detect now). My PC and the Xbox are plugged into a Linksys BEFW11S4 Wireless Access Point/Router/4-port switch. Both have internal private IP addresses on the same subnet and the default gateway (for addresses not on the same subnet) points correctly to the router's IP. I'm using a brand new Executor 2 Lite mod chip with EvoX Dashboard V1.8.3285.
Current HD free space on Xbox:
C - 346M
E - 227M
F - 2238M
X - 754M
Y - 786M
Z - 14M
My gut instinct is that this is an EvoX FTP Server problem but that's just a SWAG. The Xb-FileZilla project looks promising as it was created for this very reason (poor performance from the EvoX FTP Server). Unfortunately, they don't have any binaries up on their SourceForge page and I have yet to discover how to compile my own software for the Xbox.
Anyways, I'll report back after the HD swap this afternoon and let you know what kind of speeds I get then.
Post by: MrWizdumb on February 02, 2003, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: MrWizdumb on February 02, 2003, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: MrWizdumb on February 02, 2003, 12:34:00 PM
i'm formatting my 30 gig right now and i'm gonna go ahead and backup my xbox HD and try format F:/ after that i hope it doesn't get all fragmented and shit, are there things i should know that will keep it from getting fragmented?
Post by: Aussie14 on February 02, 2003, 02:19:00 PM
Post by: alexkraemer on February 02, 2003, 02:53:00 PM
Post by: SumDumGuy on February 02, 2003, 05:54:00 PM
Just my $.02,
SumDumGuy
Post by: SumDumGuy on February 02, 2003, 06:20:00 PM
Post by: MrWizdumb on February 02, 2003, 07:15:00 PM
its just i'm trying to get these "backups" on my xbox
Post by: MrWizdumb on February 03, 2003, 02:52:00 PM
Post by: MrWizdumb on February 04, 2003, 05:21:00 PM
thx for the tip it worked, i wonder how my HD woulda gotten fragmented...?
Post by: hockeyguy on November 16, 2004, 06:08:00 AM
Post by: jeeproject on November 16, 2004, 09:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (hockeyguy @ Nov 16 2004, 03:11 PM) |
| No... none other than backing up your files, formatting and defrag in PC and then reformatting and reinstalling your files. |
As of now there is now software availabe for defraging the fatx file system. Team Avalaunch is working on a soultion however it seems like this has been in the works for a long time. Right now your only option is the FTP/Format/FTP method.
1. FTP all files to pc
2. Format drive partition through modchip or dashboard
3. FTP all files back to xbox
No need to remove drive from xbox and hook up to a pc to format and drfrag then put back into xbox and reformat to fatx.
Post by: hockeyguy on November 16, 2004, 09:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (jeeproject @ Nov 16 2004, 06:27 PM) |
| No need to remove drive from xbox and hook up to a pc to format and drfrag then put back into xbox and reformat to fatx. |
I would agree accept for those that want a "new" drive, a format that allows you to write over things and a low level format are two different things. IMO a low level format will always yield better long term results. And to do that you would have to put the hdd in a PC...at least until Avalaunch releases their defrag util.
Post by: Sac2K4 on November 16, 2004, 09:55:00 AM
Sacroligous
Post by: Shalone on November 20, 2004, 01:37:00 PM
And does the X-box really need defragging?
Post by: gamerguy999 on November 20, 2004, 01:40:00 PM
Thje only way to do it, is to reformat your hard drive
Post by: Dozer on November 20, 2004, 01:41:00 PM
. The closest you can get to defragging is backing everything up, formatting then putting everything back on again. It should all be in a nice order on the HDD then.
Post by: Kuhndawg on November 23, 2004, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: Strud1512 on November 23, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
You would have to backup, reformat, and FTP everything back.
Post by: groovyg on December 01, 2004, 02:22:00 AM
i think that works, either that or my hd was having a bad week prior
Post by: enderandrew on December 01, 2004, 05:19:00 AM
What if you booted up a Linux distro. Could it try and defrag the HDD?
Post by: Sac2K4 on December 01, 2004, 05:21:00 AM
Post by: sharon on December 13, 2004, 09:34:00 AM
Objective:
Flawless and Quick Space defragmenter to be ported to Xbox.
Questions:
1. Where do I start?
2. What do I need?
3. Who will help me?
Problems:
1. I am not a computer tech and do not know any programming stuff. Never read any computer literature.
2. Will arise if problem 1 is solved.
Advantages:
1. I got three retail drives to test/Sacrifice for the yet to be born application.
Ideas:
1. Planning to have an application like config_magic to defragment all kinds of xbox drives. There would be a default.xbe.
2. I might try to port a similar application for PCs to Xbox platform.
Help:
1. Someone who knows a lot about porting would be helpful indeed.
Suggestions:
AWAITING ANY SUGGESTIONS
Post by: lordvader129 on December 13, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
BTW, the words "quick" and 'defrag" do not belong in the same sentence, lol
merging to merged thread
Post by: dokworm on March 14, 2005, 04:32:00 AM
(works for PC drives!)
Post by: GodOfWarAres on March 14, 2005, 07:03:00 AM
Also... with that Avalaunch coment... any news about that? Possible release date?
Post by: devguy on March 18, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
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Post by: KJL89 on September 07, 2002, 10:51:00 AM
Post by: sncboom2k on March 21, 2003, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: archon76 on March 21, 2003, 10:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (sncboom2k @ Mar 22 2003, 02:01 AM) |
| A long time ago, someone announced Defrag-X for the xbox. It was in developement. Has anyone figured out how to defrag this beast yet? Mine is getting louder and slower by the day. When you have 120gig HD in your xbox - it gets fragmented pretty easily... Any info would be great! Thanks Sncboom2k |
If it is getting really BAD.
There is a way you can fix the fragmentation, but it is time consuming and a large pain in the butt.
Really all that is needed is the files to be placed on the XBOX so that fragmentation does not occur. The only way right now to do this is copy every thing on the HD to your PC. Wipe the XBOX drive clean and copy the Files back over.
There should not be any fragmentation after this is done.
As I said before unless it is REALLY BAD, I would not mess with it. After you do this, unless you delete and copy a large amount of data, it should not get fragmented.
Post by: Novahux on March 22, 2003, 05:35:00 AM
Post by: Cannibalistic on March 24, 2003, 10:02:00 AM
Does anyone know if any group is working on a Hard Disk Defragmentation Utility? As you know over the time, Xbox's HDD become defragmented.
On my PC, I used Executive Software's Diskeepr v7.0 on a daily basis, and my PC is always in top shape and speed!
Your comments would be greatly appreciated.
Post by: slamer on March 24, 2003, 10:11:00 AM
theres no defragmenter official as of today.
Post by: Xeero on March 24, 2003, 01:37:00 PM
- because it's file system is structured differently. NTFS is much less susceptible to fragmentation than FAT32 so this would make sense.
- because it isn't used as much as PC HD. Most of the writing done to a hard drive is in small files such as cache or saved games.
- because it is much more partitioned than a PC HD. Cache is on E. Saved games are on E and (J?) the memory card(s). Any fragmentation would be bound to these partition tables.
Of course swapping games around all over the hard drive may nullify any and all of these as it can result in massive file fragmentation. MS obviously won't care about this because this is not how the Xbox was intended to be used. Someone may be able to code a defragmenter but the demand may not be high enough to warrant such development.
Post by: Cannibalistic on March 25, 2003, 12:53:00 AM
at lease some groups might be interested!
Post by: PrismSub5 on August 01, 2005, 05:34:00 PM
Windows can't access FATX for defragging.
What about,
Porting a linux defragger to XBOXHDM
voila enough RAM and FATX access...
(dunno how many times someone thought about this
)Defrag for Linux Debian
Post by: TKramka on August 01, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
Post by: TattooedBear on August 02, 2005, 07:53:00 PM
FTP! Yay!
hahahaha
Post by: rjm2k on March 28, 2003, 01:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (nutsinya @ Mar 28 2003, 08:53 PM) |
| i'm not sure what defrag really does, but i'm under the impression that it organizes the files on my hard disk. is there a utility for the xbox that will defrag my 120gig hdd? with all of the files that i move around and games that are added/deleted on a weekly basis, i would think that i should defrag it once in a while. or is defragging totally useless? |
No need for defragging. The xbox copies most of your game to the temp drives which are wiped clean so no fragmentation. I seriously doubt that you would notice any fragmentation issues anyway.
Post by: nutsinya on March 28, 2003, 02:34:00 PM
thanks for the response though.
Post by: Novahux on March 28, 2003, 07:42:00 PM
By the time the xbox HDD (original or aftermarket) becomes seriously fragmented, it will be an obsolete console and there will be an emulator for it on the Xbox4. or Pentium 6
Post by: socrates on September 18, 2002, 05:16:00 PM
Post by: Hammy on September 19, 2002, 04:54:00 AM
Post by: StOnD on April 12, 2003, 10:34:00 PM
If there isn't I thnk it would benefit the modding community greatly if there was. Maybe it would be a good feature for dashboard makers to look into?
Post by: StOnD on April 13, 2003, 02:28:00 PM
I'd like to keep my xbox performing well. If you don't that's fine with me, just don't be polluting the forums with retarded posts like that.
Post by: HumanClay on April 13, 2003, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: Perplexer on April 14, 2003, 04:43:00 AM
Post by: PlagueViper on April 15, 2003, 04:17:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| A defrag utility would be nice, but until then, this is what i do to 'defrag' : delete all my porn/stuff on my PC hdd.... transfer my xbox information to my pc.... trasfer back from PC to xbox.... seems to help things a bit. |
that would make it worse....
Post by: Xeero on April 15, 2003, 04:19:00 PM
Copying it back would be a logical file transfer, so it would organize the data properly. Of course, I wouldn't recommend against an F: format before transferring the data back to that partition. That would certainly take care of any remaining fragments that don't get deleted after you back up the data.
Post by: PlagueViper on April 15, 2003, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: SillYcoNe on April 15, 2003, 11:19:00 PM
Lame, long, but it works. And when there is nothing else, this is the ultimate solution
Post by: Crisis on April 16, 2003, 06:23:00 AM
Post by: alanbenjo on September 24, 2002, 10:35:00 AM
Post by: kanchke on September 24, 2002, 12:36:00 PM
Post by: 82ross on September 24, 2002, 12:47:00 PM
Post by: akarnid on September 24, 2002, 01:01:00 PM
Post by: djhush on April 30, 2003, 09:47:00 AM
--Frag This--
I have a question regarding the Xbox harddrive. I have been a computer user for a long time and have noticed that all of the installing and uninstalling of programs, demos, downloads, etc. requires that I run Scandisk and defrag my hard drives to keep them running at optimum speeds. Since all saves, songs, and such will be stored on the hard-drive, and can be deleted at any time, wouldn't it be a possibility that you would degrade the performance of the Xbox after a given time? Will it be possible to defrag it, should this happen?
Dan Trask
via email
OXM says: The Xbox hard-drive is partitioned into different sections. One area is exclusively for users to save games and to download music and other assets, while another is exclusively for developers to use for their games. And never shall the twain meet, so to speak, making it impossible for the Xbox's performance to be "degraded" no matter how much crap you pile into it. So, no need to defrag, no need to run Scandisk, no need to worry about viruses - it's all taken care of, and you need not worry again, Dan.
I posted this up because I seen a few posts about possible HD fragmentation from too much deleting and recopying, etc. and I myself am concerned about the problems it might cause with performance. Do you think that the response to this letter holds true even for our modded 'Boxes with 120GB HD's and stuff??
Post by: hiredmuscle on April 30, 2003, 11:48:00 AM
Unfortunately, this isn't the case with modded xboxs with bigger hds.
Post by: neolink1 on April 30, 2003, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: djhush on April 30, 2003, 07:41:00 PM
Post by: Ill187 on April 30, 2003, 07:45:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| thats why we need an app to defrag our 120 gig monsters and out F: partitions |
Post by: Frag Daddy on April 30, 2003, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: madthumbs on May 01, 2003, 04:39:00 AM
Post by: west17m on May 01, 2003, 07:38:00 AM
Post by: madthumbs on May 01, 2003, 09:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (west17m @ May 1 2003, 04:38 PM) |
| I'd wager most of the "bottle necks" ppl complain about is because the just flat out bought a slow drive (although cheap). My 7200 Maxtor with an 8 meg cache has worked flawlessly. |
Wouldn't 8meg cache be overkill since the 8megs is best for multitasking, where the HD in the xbox is usually either reading or writing one thing at a time? Other than some drives I've seen where there's only a $5 difference anyway.
Post by: kanchke on September 27, 2002, 11:41:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| you would have to be deleting and copying something alot for the HD to suffer crashes and bad sectors |
That's what I was fearing ... I copied/deleted a lot of divx movies (big files)
Guess I'd be better off modifying the xbmpconfig and burning my movies on CD-RW, or use the .NET framework from M$ (is this stable for XP ?) and stream them
Post by: west17m on May 02, 2003, 11:50:00 AM
Maxtor doesn't do scsi. The ata133 7200 8meg cache is one of their top drives. Hence, best parts.
OH, and it was on sale at BB for $105
Post by: djhush on May 04, 2003, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: rjm2k on May 05, 2003, 04:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (Daedalus @ May 4 2003, 07:43 AM) |
| Xbox hdd defrag When installing a new hdd i do what the tut says and boot up using evox dash and then ftp using flashfxp and type the commands. However, the formatting process is very quick, even hte f drive of a 80gb hdd formatting is instant. On a pc formatting takes ages, is it because the xbox hdd isnt being formatted by just wiped? if so then my hdd will be very very fragmented, cause its been used in a pc for ages without defrag also, i need a prog to defrag the xbox hdd. Just because the cache and files region of the hdd is totally separate, how would that prevent the individual partitions to become fragmented? |
No, don't worry about it. The DOS format does a lot more checking than the fatx one, all it's doing is writing a new FATX table. The fact that it's a new table means that the drive has no files on and therefore any space can be used without worring about previous files and causing fragmentation.
Post by: Ill187 on May 05, 2003, 01:23:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Wouldn't 8meg cache be overkill since the 8megs is best for multitasking |
All I know is that loading Halo off DVD is faster than stock HDD, But nowhere near my Maxtor 7200 8meg cache. Even the boards load faster
Post by: imnthematrix on May 05, 2003, 04:20:00 PM
Post by: imnthematrix on May 05, 2003, 05:57:00 PM
Post by: Hammy on May 06, 2003, 02:45:00 AM
Post by: psybintea on September 29, 2002, 09:37:00 PM
Post by: The LumbraX on September 29, 2002, 09:28:00 PM
Post by: Hammy on September 30, 2002, 06:25:00 AM
Post by: opjose on September 30, 2002, 12:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (mikejf @ Sep 30 2002, 02:54 PM) |
| We need a Scandisk before a Defrag |
This is doubtful.
The Xbox was designed to be stupidly shut off by idiot users, even when the screen says that you should not do this.
I'll bet the machine pushes the write operations out as quickly as possible to avoid damage due to memory caches, and doesn't bother keeping directory structures in RAM (which makes sense given the small amount of ram in the Xbox.).
Yeah, it MIGHT be needed, but I guess that is why the Xbox has that hidden "format data partitions" command....
(now everyone is going to ask me... YES it exists, you can format the drives by hitting controller keys in a certain order, no I do not know what the sequence is.)
Post by: ferrell on September 30, 2002, 12:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (psybintea @ Sep 30 2002, 03:01 AM) |
| Why hasn't anyone figured out how to do this yet? |
If you stop and think about it, a DEFRAG utility for the XBOX is not really all that necessary. Yes, I know one will probably be released shortly, and I may even try it out, but I don't see it making a great deal of difference for most users.
Fragmentation on a hard drive usually occurs when drive space is constantly being written/erased/rewritten again. I don't know about you, but my use of the F partition basically consists of...
a.) writing files to it
b.) leaving those filese where they sit.
In fact, when I fill up one drive, I simply start filling up another (click)
Of cource, If you are constantly deleting and writing files, then a DEFRAG utility may be for you.
Post by: Ces2k3 on May 10, 2003, 07:51:00 PM
thanks for ya time
Post by: L3e on May 10, 2003, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: Ces2k3 on May 10, 2003, 08:10:00 PM
i know man it would seem like common sence to make the program but i guess we love to waste time backing evrything up and then formating the hd then send the files back if thay can make a media player,streaming music,ect.. then why can they make a simple program that will benifit all of us and prevent less crashes ,load times,and future slow downs.come on guys this in my opinion is a serious topic u got a contest offering money to somone that makes a working n64 emulator but we can make a contest to see if somone that can make what might be the one of the most important tools a hard drive can have???? come on peoples
Post by: senator on May 10, 2003, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: Jet Pilot on May 10, 2003, 08:18:00 PM
C++?
Post by: Jet Pilot on May 10, 2003, 08:36:00 PM
Post by: MacGuyver_3030 on May 10, 2003, 09:26:00 PM
edit: C# is pronounced "C-Sharp", for all the newbs out there.
Post by: aRmZtrOnG on May 10, 2003, 11:49:00 PM
Post by: Scan-C on May 11, 2003, 12:03:00 AM
in my xbox the hdd is used to copy games to it that i transfer after some weeks to my pc to burn them to dvd.so there's always copy,transfer,delete and no game ever got slow while i was playing it from hdd.
i don't see the need for a defrag program but if you all want it i guess it's time that someone makes one.
Post by: Heet on May 11, 2003, 12:05:00 AM
Post by: Ces2k3 on May 11, 2003, 08:08:00 AM
defrag itself??? now where u heard that from? look man it a regular hd like the cpu,so maybe after 6 months or so even longer but u will one day need to defrag it ,i dont care we gonna need it ,it a simple and yet really important tool ,sure we can waste time by backing up our data then re formating the hadrive but wouldnt you want to spend the time on somthing else than reformatting. hey i just think it would be sweet if there was a tool to deframent the hd
Post by: rjm2k on May 11, 2003, 12:06:00 PM
| QUOTE (aRmZtrOnG @ May 11 2003, 07:49 AM) |
| And what about Linux? Does anyone know of a good disk utility for Linux that could be ported to xbox? |
Linux already has a defrag tool, but it's not for fatx, in fact, linux barely uses fatx when installed on the xbox.
Post by: bucko on May 11, 2003, 02:13:00 PM
Post by: mattimeo2000 on May 12, 2003, 05:39:00 PM
Post by: rjm2k on May 13, 2003, 04:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (mattimeo2000 @ May 13 2003, 01:39 AM) |
| And linux can't defrag? |
What was that a response to? Linux can defrag, but since each fs is different, a different defrag tool is required for each. Since the fatx support in Linux is still primitive, it's highly unlikely that there is a defrag tool for it yet.
Post by: 000RATM000 on May 14, 2003, 09:25:00 PM
Post by: Falcon69 on May 18, 2003, 12:27:00 AM
Post by: rjm2k on May 18, 2003, 02:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (Falcon69 @ May 18 2003, 08:27 AM) |
| Is there a program for either the pc or the xbox that will defrag the xbox's HDD? |
No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No.
Use the search engine to find out why.
Post by: Ces2k3 on May 18, 2003, 08:37:00 AM
Post by: manekineko on May 18, 2003, 10:53:00 PM
Post by: Ces2k3 on May 19, 2003, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: skierdb526 on May 19, 2003, 03:16:00 PM
what i believe hes doing is trying to find people with good knowledge of this stuff to port it so we have an effective program.
Post by: OUberLord on May 19, 2003, 06:41:00 PM
That aside as well, only do it if you are getting abnormal problems such as lots of dirty disc errors on games off of the HD or as a last resort.
Post by: Ces2k3 on May 20, 2003, 02:03:00 PM
Post by: LateraLex on May 20, 2003, 08:13:00 PM
Post by: GhostHavoc on May 21, 2003, 02:14:00 PM
Post by: ImpulseAdidas on May 21, 2003, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: Tk0n on May 22, 2003, 03:58:00 AM
Post by: madthumbs on May 22, 2003, 09:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (Tk0n @ May 22 2003, 12:58 PM) |
| drives dont get destroyed by fragmentation. |
Not sure what you mean by this. I've read that there is extra wear and tear from the drive heads having to move around more on a fragmented HD. I personally rarely defrag however.
Post by: Tk0n on May 22, 2003, 09:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (madthumbs @ May 22 2003, 06:14 PM) | ||
Not sure what you mean by this. I've read that there is extra wear and tear from the drive heads having to move around more on a fragmented HD. I personally rarely defrag however. |
sure, if a drive is heaveally used, the lifetime of it will shorten.
but its not a matter of weeks to kill a drive.
especially not with fragmentation.
aside from this, the xbox harddrive does not have a high load.
not even a fragmented one.
Post by: Morglum on May 22, 2003, 10:41:00 AM
Post by: darylzero on May 22, 2003, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: west17m on May 23, 2003, 11:09:00 PM
Post by: knepley on May 25, 2003, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: BombProofPlane on May 25, 2003, 10:11:00 PM
maybe their overheating and thats why they die so fast get some more cooling on em
and i dont think wear from use is much of an issue since the reading heads dont touch touch the platters
Post by: c-2 on May 26, 2003, 01:52:00 PM
not to b rude either and not to repeat but please search before posting ...
Post by: Morglum on May 30, 2003, 08:32:00 AM
You didnt see one, but i wish there was one, as do a large number of people here too.
Post by: za3boora on May 30, 2003, 11:00:00 AM
Post by: bucko on May 30, 2003, 12:14:00 PM
Post by: NFCTinken on June 01, 2003, 09:24:00 AM
Post by: Morglum on June 01, 2003, 09:31:00 AM
Post by: Ces2k3 on June 01, 2003, 12:42:00 PM
Post by: Morglum on June 01, 2003, 01:02:00 PM
Simple fact is there are more of us that want a defrag tool than those that dont, i dont think it would really be all that long before one is written, and no doubt the linux work on xbox is going to be what starts it going, after all, if anyone knows more about the file system it has to be those guys, well other than them at M$, but who will be the people that help us
Post by: -={Nexus}=- on June 02, 2003, 12:42:00 PM
transferrign movies and games everyday can't be good for the HDD..
specially the 120Gb size.
thnx
Post by: Xeero on June 02, 2003, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: slidellsimba2 on June 05, 2003, 09:49:00 AM
wont help me as i use evox, but then again i could try ava every once in a while to defrag my drive, but since i dont need it yet, I WILL WAIT
Post by: dans_xbox on June 06, 2003, 06:56:00 AM
Post by: hcarlson3 on June 06, 2003, 07:25:00 AM
do a search
Post by: abbylee26 on June 12, 2003, 11:42:00 AM
What do you use to do it?
Is there any other PC related system maintenance I will need to preform?
Post by: stinknugget on June 12, 2003, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: pilo18 on June 12, 2003, 11:51:00 AM
Post by: bb07 on June 14, 2003, 12:13:00 PM
and use windows defragger?
And had any sucess(lock or unlocked)?
Post by: Takenover83 on June 14, 2003, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: shaftastic on June 14, 2003, 03:03:00 PM
Post by: aziwoof on June 14, 2003, 03:32:00 PM
If they used a Unix/Linux File System, there would be no need for defragging. Of course this would never happen... just my dream and my $0.02.
Post by: west17m on June 15, 2003, 04:45:00 PM
I think a few defraggers are coming down the pipe anyway. Hope this helps.
Post by: slidellsimba2 on June 15, 2003, 06:19:00 PM
just for peace of mind
Post by: s_lipowitz on October 14, 2002, 10:48:00 AM
However, if you've got the resources, i'd say go for it and write one.
Post by: LiquidZero on October 15, 2002, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: sigep2x on June 30, 2003, 09:24:00 PM
Post by: hcarlson3 on July 01, 2003, 06:33:00 AM
Post by: l337hxr on July 01, 2003, 04:13:00 PM
Post by: saeltmarae2k on July 01, 2003, 08:41:00 PM
-N@E
Post by: Morglum on July 01, 2003, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: debtech on July 02, 2003, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: debtech on July 02, 2003, 07:34:00 PM
i let the box cool down for two hours, and then tried playing the game immediately after turning it on, but it didn't help anything.
if it is a cooling problem, i have no clue how to diagnose it.
also, i upgraded to X2 4977 bios, but that didn't help either.
any more suggestions?
Post by: Ces2k3 on July 02, 2003, 09:22:00 PM
Post by: Xeero on October 20, 2002, 06:00:00 AM
Windows can't recognize the xbox HD by default. From what I gather, you have to unlock it (if it's locked) and then use some utility, like FATX. Trying to defragment it without using a special utility would fuck things up nicely if it worked at all because Windows can't read the XFS filesystem.
Post by: kanchke on October 20, 2002, 08:03:00 AM
I believe it is calle cleanx or HDcleanx.
Post by: Carsten on July 03, 2003, 05:29:00 PM
Post by: Morglum on July 05, 2003, 03:33:00 PM
Post by: abbylee26 on July 05, 2003, 05:30:00 PM
Post by: Everlast on October 21, 2002, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: racerxfactor on October 22, 2002, 03:09:00 AM
Post by: Hammy on October 22, 2002, 03:49:00 AM
There is no scandisk or defrag for the xbox yet but guys are working on it right now.
Post by: opjose on October 22, 2002, 05:25:00 AM
Post by: MichaelNet on July 22, 2003, 03:34:00 AM
Post by: Xeero on July 22, 2003, 03:47:00 AM
Post by: gokussj007 on July 25, 2003, 10:04:00 AM
Post by: Terayon on July 25, 2003, 10:10:00 AM
Post by: Xeero on July 25, 2003, 10:15:00 AM
In reality, the partitions used to store games CAN become fragmented, as users are moving around much larger chunks of data than was intended for the Xbox.
Also, as a sidenote, even though you are new and this "exploit" forum is the only one you frequent, that doesn't mean it's okay to post completely off-topic threads here. Please post these in the relevant topics from now on.
Post by: Heet on July 25, 2003, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: Intelligoth on July 25, 2003, 10:56:00 AM
If you notice your drive access slowing down significantly, FTP the data to your PC, take the drive out and give it a Low Level Format. Then prepare the drive for the XBox again and FTP your data back. I think by the time your drive is fragmented enough to require this, XBox2 will be out and we'll have new projects to work on!
Post by: EvilWays on July 25, 2003, 07:55:00 PM
Post by: Intelligoth on July 26, 2003, 01:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (EvilWays @ Jul 25 2003, 07:55 PM) |
| Never EVER low level format. That is something done at the factory to lay down the geometry of the HDD. |
Hang on a mo...
Why not? A Low Level Format is an excellent way to destructively purge all data from a hard disk. And, as long as you use a decent app, there's no risk to the drive. When you perform a LLF, a new geometry is laid down anyway. Again, just use the right app.
If you remember back to the MFM and RLL days, a low level was sometimes the ONLY way you could recover a pooched drive. Also, with early IDE drives it was said you should never low level them, but a program called SPINRITE did away with that myth.
Post by: gokussj007 on July 26, 2003, 08:01:00 PM
Please.. someone consider this thread seriously... some people don't have enough room for their data on a PC.. that includes me...
Post by: MR. Y on July 30, 2003, 04:50:00 PM
But the question does arise: if I do this often enough won't I experience more and more fragmentation?
I've looked for an xbox HD defrag utility, but so far have found nothing. If there is no such thing, I expect over time our drives will just get slower and slower; could also be that the os is ill equipped to handle this. I'd be surprised if there was an auto-defrag routine in the dashes/bioses.
Anyone know anything about this?
Thnx!
Y
Post by: Blind_Samurai on July 30, 2003, 04:58:00 PM
, but unfortunately nothing for now.
Post by: digital_latte on July 30, 2003, 07:24:00 PM
Post by: Alpha-Omega on July 30, 2003, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Softco on July 30, 2003, 07:38:00 PM
I think you can defrag the hdd with avalaunch
Post by: the joker on August 01, 2003, 11:19:00 AM
but lost clusters are also a huge problem, so I've got to make a scandisk first =P
Post by: the joker on August 01, 2003, 11:21:00 AM
Post by: bucko on August 01, 2003, 11:26:00 AM
Post by: MissSplitch on August 01, 2003, 05:20:00 PM
As for Xanatos, thanks for contributing; can we get a smaller signature?
Post by: Blind_Samurai on August 01, 2003, 06:38:00 PM
| QUOTE (MR. Y @ Aug 2 2003, 12:34 AM) |
| Thanks for the heads up, the joker. I'm sure this will be a welcome addition to the x-toolbox. And maybe another good reason for me to try avalaunch out; just started and using evox like so many... Thanks! Y |
EvoX becoming old......was a good dash at the begining. Try Avalaunch, you'll surely like it!
Post by: LaMagra on August 01, 2003, 10:33:00 PM
(oops got my answer a few posts down sorry plz delete this thread)
Post by: elduderino1234 on August 01, 2003, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: DOGSEGG on August 06, 2003, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: Xeero on August 06, 2003, 08:49:00 AM
Post by: Creature on November 04, 2002, 04:49:00 AM
Post by: KevboY2K on November 04, 2002, 05:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (Creature @ Nov 4 2002, 11:49 AM) |
| Doesn't the internal HD in the xbox ever have to be deframented due to heavy use? |
Defragmentizing aint a word.
But no. The Xbox uses a file system (not sure which) that does not really need to be defraged. It deals with the way files are placed in, and not really edited much. There is no opportunity to become fragmented.
Post by: kanchke on November 04, 2002, 05:46:00 AM
And adding/removing/replacing big files will this not fragment ?
I ask this because I'm using a WD 120Gig and put allready a lot of my *legal* backups on my HD and added/removed a lot of Divx movies, and now I got the impression the disk :
a) makes a lot more noise (scrambles)
reacts slower then it used toPost by: kanchke on November 04, 2002, 06:12:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| If you really need to you could ftp all the files off the F drive, format it and then ftp them back on |
Now why didn't I think of that easy slick way ???
The only disadvantage is that I have to buy a HD (80Gig) and put in my PC, coz my standard 30Gig is allready quite full :-)
Post by: vwadam on November 04, 2002, 10:02:00 AM
| QUOTE |
Now why didn't I think of that easy slick way ??? The only disadvantage is that I have to buy a HD (80Gig) and put in my PC, coz my standard 30Gig is allready quite full :-) |
im in the same boat, i dont have the space to put 120gb on my already full 30gb drive. now i will be adding and removing divx s and games and music a lot so it will become fragmented. there must be a way to do it. hopefully some kind release group will help us out.
Post by: kanchke on November 04, 2002, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: chinmi on August 17, 2003, 07:46:00 AM
some one should make it...
Post by: rob1309 on August 17, 2003, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: NoseBreaker on August 17, 2003, 02:34:00 PM
Anyway.. I can't see how it's hard for people to install a dashboard? Believe me, it's not any harder than transferring a movie..
Just put it in apps dir and run it from MXM/EvoX whatever.. just a few buttons/seconds from standalone
Post by: the joker on August 18, 2003, 04:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (Ice Rich @ Aug 17 2003, 10:06 PM) |
I never knew about that, will look forward to the release. Im sure a stand-alone version will become available though for MXM and EvoX people  Rich |
don't get your hopes up. We work with avalaunch, for avalaunch. I can't head it enough that we should make all out features work for other dashes...
now think about it. You want evo-x with all avalaunch features ? Ava already has almost all of evo-x's features, so make Evo-x an app from ava for those features you'd need from there.
-TJ
Post by: LiquidZero on November 05, 2002, 10:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (vwadam @ Nov 4 2002, 05:02 PM) | ||
im in the same boat, i dont have the space to put 120gb on my already full 30gb drive. now i will be adding and removing divx s and games and music a lot so it will become fragmented. there must be a way to do it. hopefully some kind release group will help us out. |
Buy a new HDD for your PC! Maxtor's coming out with the 320GB monster...
Post by: vwadam on November 05, 2002, 11:14:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Buy a new HDD for your PC! Maxtor's coming out with the 320GB monster... |
yeah sure but im not spending a thousand dollars on a pc harddrive, in fact im not spending any money on my pc anymore. just xbox now and use pc only for internet/school xbox for all games.
Post by: Al_Ghazi on November 06, 2002, 04:23:00 AM
My gaming is more balanced now since the BOX is in the living room and I don't get roped in to spending 17 hours in a corner of the house on a PC game. Plus being able to slob on the couch with a case of Becks beats sitting in a desk chair.
I am 100% console converted....
G.
Post by: cykiller on November 06, 2002, 05:24:00 AM
waiting til i get new pc for he highest gaming experince, a 1.1ghz isn't going to cut it with pci gfx card!!
the good thing is i'll have new pc before the doom3 release!! Post by: dusty69 on August 27, 2003, 07:46:00 PM
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Post by: rob1309 on August 28, 2003, 08:17:00 PM
Post by: zerowizard on August 28, 2003, 08:36:00 PM
i used to love evox till the time my ini was wiped by switching skins.
zerowizard
Post by: phunki on September 03, 2003, 07:03:00 AM
Post by: Xeero on September 03, 2003, 07:20:00 AM
However, when a modded Xbox with a swapped HD is used to store games, the F drive can certainly fragment. Games are often deleted and replaced by newer games.
Please search next time as this has been addressed many times before and Team Avalaunch is working on a defragmenter. Such a tool has its risks, so I'm sure they are spending plenty of time on it to ensure that it is a reliable tool and to ensure that your data will be secure during defragmentation.
Post by: Mordenkainen on September 03, 2003, 08:57:00 AM
1. FTP everything off the F: to your PC.
2. Format the F: partition. (Deleting everything on it MAY be enough)
3. FTP everything back.
TADA! The drive is defragmented!
Unfortunatly you need to have enough space on your PC, and ftping 100 gig of files can take a while... But then again, defragmenters don't tend to be fast anyway!
Morden.
Post by: murder01 on September 03, 2003, 10:01:00 AM
P.S..... A little birdy told me that the new download via XB LIVE (you know the new dash and all that good stuff) is going to be able to see mods chips, even when there turned off.
Has anyone heard anything about this???????
Post by: ZubZeroo on September 03, 2003, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: Krill123 on September 03, 2003, 10:23:00 AM
Other than that.. --> Unfeasable
Post by: Mordenkainen on September 03, 2003, 02:57:00 PM
But then again, it would take just as long to defrag it if it was the drive in your PC....
Morden.
Post by: feflicker on September 03, 2003, 03:02:00 PM
Post by: Cannibalistic on September 03, 2003, 03:38:00 PM
I understand that the file system of the Xbox is very different than FAT32 or NTFS, but still the files on the HDD will be defragmented no matter what.
Is there any Hard Disk Fragmentation Utility available or in development by the scene? (much like Diskeeper of PC that I ues on a daily basis)
Thanks again.
Post by: Heet on September 03, 2003, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: incansun on September 03, 2003, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on September 03, 2003, 07:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (Devenic @ Sep 3 2003, 09:13 PM) | ||
Hahaha. That's a good one. Not sure where this myth started. 1) No filesystem is immune to fragmentation unless it defragments every time it extends a file. 2) The Xbox filesystem is VERY close in structure to the FAT filesystem. A defragmentation tool is a much needed addition to the Xbox scene unless everyone decides to just reformat their drives periodically. |
I think he meant "but still the files on the HDD will be fragmented no matter what."
Post by: Mr Ed on September 03, 2003, 07:54:00 PM
If you put some games on your drive and never touch it again, you won't get any fragmentation.
Now if you are often adding files, then removing some of them, then adding more, etc. then you will get fragmentation.
I play all my games off of DVD so I'm immune to fragmentation
Post by: the joker on September 04, 2003, 01:09:00 AM
Post by: Dreamcazman on September 04, 2003, 01:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (ct8055 @ Sep 4 2003, 04:00 AM) |
| Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't one do a manual "defrag" by ftping everything off the drive to their HD, deleting it from the drive, then ftping everything back to the drive? Seems like that would do the same as a defrag program since they essentially move the data to empty parts of the disk, then put it back in order. Ct |
That is the most time consuming way of defragging the Xbox HDD. If like most of us have a 120Gb drive, it will take hours to transfer to the PC then transfer back. Plus you also have to have shitloads of spare room on the PC!
But it would work..
Post by: moistness on September 04, 2003, 04:32:00 AM
Post by: Xeero on September 04, 2003, 04:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (moistness @ Sep 4 2003, 08:32 AM) |
| a friend of mine started the same topic as this and got told that he should have searched and the topic was locked!!! glad the same hasnt happened to this one as a lot of people are wanting a utility for this i'm sure!!! |
Far too many people ask if there is a defragmentation utility in the works, and Team Avalaunch has made it clear a number of times that they are working on it.
If you friend's thread got locked, it was justifiable. He could have easily found the answer by searching for "defragment". Wouldn't that seem obvious??
Post by: Xeero on September 05, 2003, 05:57:00 AM
Post by: steve0357 on September 13, 2003, 10:02:00 AM
Is this recommended, and if so, what's the best app to do it?
Thanks,
S
Post by: Scrawny MuTT on September 13, 2003, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: steve0357 on September 13, 2003, 01:13:00 PM
evox defrag yes or no!
Post by: phar on September 13, 2003, 03:13:00 PM
if you had seen that there was a defrag util, then a search would have turned it up.
Post by: InspiredPirate on September 14, 2003, 10:06:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on September 14, 2003, 11:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (steve0357 @ Sep 13 2003, 05:13 PM) |
| evox defrag yes or no! |
NO, evox:
Formats a hard drive
Flashes a chip
Launches .xbe's
Ftp and telnet server
THATS IT.
People really need to stop posting questions in this forum about XBOX APPS. Every app can be run without the use of evox.
Post by: bully on September 15, 2003, 06:13:00 AM
i know theres no such thing as a defrag at this time for hd but i have and orig stock seagate hd and was wondering if there was any way that poss reformatting, would be as good as defragging,only id like to have it optimized to its best.If so is the slayers installer 2.21 any good for this on a 1.1 xbox or is there a better way.
many thx advice is much apreciated
Post by: heinrich on September 15, 2003, 05:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (steve0357 @ Sep 15 2003, 08:36 PM) |
| I didn't know that, and I bet several others didn't either! U need to chill out. This is just a freaking forum. It would have taken less effort to just answer the dam question, plus providing more posts that can be searched! |
Maybe you missed the What Not To Ask In This Forum post that I pinned in this forum. You are right, this is an EVOX forum, not an xbox apps forum.
Post by: SniperKilla on September 15, 2003, 06:50:00 PM
try avalaunch since their the only people working on it
Post by: heinrich on September 15, 2003, 06:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (steve0357 @ Sep 15 2003, 10:46 PM) |
| or do you feel you must read every post, and hate to see the same stuff over? either way, you need to chill |
Yes, I _try_ to read all the posts in the forums that I moderate.
Post by: bully on September 16, 2003, 03:57:00 AM
Post by: Novahux on September 16, 2003, 04:14:00 AM
the files will become sequential again.
Note: you are only going to have a problem with fragmentation, if you are deleteing lots of files on a regular basis.
If you just backup your stuff and leave them on the HDD, then there will be no fragmentaion problems generated, as the XYZ drives are for cacheing.
Post by: Potato Bob on September 19, 2003, 01:31:00 PM
Plz give me ur ideas
Post by: Potato Bob on September 19, 2003, 01:41:00 PM
Post by: aceboomer on July 10, 2002, 08:55:00 AM
:D
Post by: heinrich on September 19, 2003, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: Nigma on July 10, 2002, 08:52:00 AM
Perhaps someone could start with an Open Source defragger and port it for XBox use with FatX support?
Post by: nezff on September 20, 2003, 01:56:00 PM
i saw a program out there about defragging a xbox hdd, which has been upgraded i guess. It is called defrag x. does the hdd need this? i will probably be copying and deleting games when i am finished with them, so does the hdd need to be defraged if i am doing this?
Post by: lordvader129 on September 20, 2003, 02:06:00 PM
Post by: DaGamePimp on July 10, 2002, 01:40:00 PM
-- After installing Halo [ 3.47GB ] to the Hard Drive it started making noise that it had not made previously with other smaller games installed .
-- I don't think you should be able to hear your hard drive seeking ....
-- DGP --
Post by: Nigma on July 10, 2002, 01:42:00 PM
A few other launch games have similar directories that you can blow away to save space on your HDD.
Post by: KAC on September 26, 2003, 09:35:00 AM
Post by: RobwDav on September 26, 2003, 02:27:00 PM
Post by: Hammy on July 11, 2002, 04:20:00 AM
We need a defrag util for the xbox ASAP
Post by: Potato Bob on September 27, 2003, 10:03:00 PM
Well you dont really need a defrag app yet
xbox's format is good + you got it in partitions
If you have it like this then you shouldnt have a prob
c:just as is
e: nothing but saves no tracks
f:games
g: apps
Post by: moistness on September 29, 2003, 05:17:00 AM
Post by: slamdunkman15 on October 06, 2003, 04:26:00 PM
Post by: vidgms4me on October 06, 2003, 04:33:00 PM
It really depends on what is cheaper for you. 120GB hard drives can often be found for around $80USD, while most 200GB hard drives will always cost around $200.
Also, 200GB hard drives are more prone to fragmentation, which may slow things down a little if you are constantly deleting things. But this should not cause a problem, as it is rarely a problem.
Also, how many games will you need on your hard drive? My 120GB is full at 48 games, and a 200 would hold around 75 games. But then again, a 200 may sound good, but it's price tag may not be in the sam range as a 120Gb hard drive.
Post by: slamdunkman15 on October 06, 2003, 05:03:00 PM
Post by: vidgms4me on October 06, 2003, 05:08:00 PM
| QUOTE (slamdunkman15 @ Oct 6 2003, 09:03 PM) |
| will the new executer bios or evoxd6 bios work with the new hdd? |
Yes. Note that the newest evox bios is M7.
Post by: JD22 on October 06, 2003, 06:21:00 PM
Post by: wmfms on November 18, 2002, 10:07:00 AM
Post by: zombie28 on November 18, 2002, 09:08:00 PM
I'm a bit worried that over time, my 120gb hard drive might get too fragmented from copying and deleting games. My 60gb HD in my computer has to be defragmented quite often because I extract, delete and move a lot of files.
Is there any program for evox that can defragment the hard drive? Or will this not be necessary?
Post by: rexlu on October 15, 2003, 08:38:00 PM
I backup and delete games several time a day.
I think my HDD will need to defrag to get better performance(? maybe it will works?)
Is there any DEFRAG program for xbox HD?
Thanks
Post by: Xeero on October 15, 2003, 08:42:00 PM
Post by: knowledgeiv on November 19, 2002, 06:51:00 AM
Post by: Frenetic on November 19, 2002, 06:55:00 AM
Does anyone know the architecture of the file system of the xbox hard drive enough to know if it requires defragmentation, and thats only if fragmentiton occurs.
It may just need it, but I would not know...
Post by: Tsharkou on November 19, 2002, 09:11:00 PM
"but in all honesty since the xbox HD uses a different file system than fat32/ntfs it is also possible that files do not get fragmented."
but there is a program in development for defrag, check out xboxdevelopment site
Post by: cONEction on November 20, 2002, 07:25:00 AM
Post by: Dramlin on October 22, 2003, 01:05:00 PM
F drive, fill it to the max! There will be no performance loss by doing this..
dont entirely fill up E because you need to have room for save games and thats where they go.
XY and Z, dont put anything in there, thats where the cache is.
C, its best just to not put much in here, besides you only get 500mb in here anyways...
Since the xbox uses different partitions for its cache there will be no performance loss unlike filling up a normal hard drive running windows.
Post by: kkxxx on October 22, 2003, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: PM5K on October 22, 2003, 01:23:00 PM
Post by: t0ken on October 22, 2003, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: kkxxx on October 22, 2003, 01:54:00 PM
Post by: mathias on October 22, 2003, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: Nailed on November 20, 2002, 08:52:00 AM
Post by: Nailed on November 20, 2002, 09:09:00 AM
Post by: Gackt on November 20, 2002, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: dripgoss on November 20, 2002, 09:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (Gackt @ Nov 20 2002, 04:17 PM) |
| You need to have around 4Gb free to let the games caché their files... even when you have your games stored in the HDD itself, the machine does not know that, and it will indeed caché the files into the disc. That is why filling the original Xbox HDD is so risky. |
BOO-YAH!! I guess Nailed skooled my ass! heh..
I didn't mean the PARTITTONS themselves are expanding/contracting, I meant the DATA inside the cache partitions is constantly expanding/contracting... Did everyone else know what I meant?
Post by: wmfms on November 20, 2002, 11:33:00 AM
I spoken to lots of people with exactly the same problem, yet no-one's doing anything about it. I'm almost convinced that this is a problem, cause I remember MS said that the HDD didn't need to be defragged because of the way it stores files... But boxplorer just copies the files straight over. Sounds trivial, but my machine has never crashed loading savegames or any other data that I didn't put on there manually. Anyway.. just wait and see I guess.
Thanks.
Post by: neverwill on October 24, 2003, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: jC! on October 24, 2003, 08:02:00 PM
The file structure FATX is pretty good and really doesn't need defragin. The isn't much Re-Writing done except for saving games.
Post by: Nailed on November 20, 2002, 05:06:00 PM
I do think that in time, there may be a need to defragment Drive F. The best current solution is probably to copy all the files off and copy them back.
Post by: mikejf on November 20, 2002, 05:19:00 PM
I've a WD 120Gig nearly full (< 25Gig free) and the last games copied still run fast.
What type of HD is it?
Did you fully zero it when preping?
Post by: SirLuck on November 20, 2002, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: Nailed on November 20, 2002, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: Nailed on November 20, 2002, 11:23:00 PM
It makes sense your games would run fast if you've never deleted any... your drive would be nearly 100% defragmented. But if you start deleting and adding repeatly (to any size drive) fragmentation begins to occur, at least in all the file systems I can think of right now.
Post by: mikejf on November 21, 2002, 07:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (Nailed @ Nov 21 2002, 02:23 AM) |
| mike, It makes sense your games would run fast if you've never deleted any... your drive would be nearly 100% defragmented. But if you start deleting and adding repeatly (to any size drive) fragmentation begins to occur, at least in all the file systems I can think of right now. |
True, I haven't deleted any big xbox games yet.
Just some smaller emulation games.
If the Bik files are fragmented, the video may get choppy.
The game code should load fine though, maybe a bit slower, but not hang.
Copying > 100 Gigs over the net to a PC and back would take forever....
Post by: dripgoss on November 21, 2002, 08:37:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| I understood that, I was just trying to make your point more clear. |
Oh yeah, I know. I was aiming at Nailed.
Since we're talking about partitions, now I'm starting to wonder if some partitions don't resize themselves depending on what data's in them. When I boxplorer or read the partition values from the evox dash, I can copy files all day long to my C: drive and it'll report the size. Now, I don't know if it's just reporting how much data is in C:, or if it's actually reporting mow big the partition is... My guess is the partitions are fixed, but then again, how does the Xbox know how much game save and cache data your games are going to want to put on E or X/Y/Z respectively?
Post by: Nailed on November 21, 2002, 11:36:00 AM
As for 'aiming' at me, dripgoss... I can't help it if you have a problem with the clarity of your writing.
Post by: Nailed on November 21, 2002, 11:39:00 AM
Defrags are dangerous if coded incorrectly though because they're essential rearranging and removing file pointers! Personally, I wouldn't risk running a homemade defrag app.
Post by: chefelf on October 30, 2003, 04:37:00 AM
As for fragmentation I know that some people are working on defrag issues. I'm sure they'll be a working defragmenter soon. Mayber there already is, I'm not sure. Until my hard drive gives me problems I'm not too worried about it.
Post by: wmfms on November 21, 2002, 12:28:00 PM
I can't remember if I fully zero'd the drive at the beginning... But I've decided the best thing to do is backup everything onto PC (about 30gbs worth of stuff) and just re-format the whole thing. I did copy and delete about 3gbs of data, so your theory makes sense.
Post by: socrates on November 21, 2002, 12:33:00 PM
Post by: frozen lake on October 30, 2003, 07:26:00 AM
However if you backed a game up on HD and say you had a 120 gb one why need to remove it anyway?
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on October 30, 2003, 08:54:00 AM
| QUOTE (dewmonger @ Oct 30 2003, 06:44 PM) |
| Just use boxplorer to delete the directory. Since this is not a Windows based system, you don't need to worry about doing an Uninstall program or anything like that. |
I agree, boXplorer works fine for me.
Post by: inwoosac on November 21, 2002, 09:27:00 PM
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Post by: Katonta on November 22, 2002, 10:13:00 PM
Post by: EncryptedBytes on November 25, 2003, 02:26:00 PM
Vaya con queso mi amigo borracho...
Post by: RadiatedAnt on December 02, 2003, 08:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (EncryptedBytes @ Nov 13 2003, 08:28 PM) | ||
So release one already and quit yer bitchin'. |
Quit your bitching about other people bitchin and Flame some where else!!Flame the Flamers....
Post by: mrRobinson on December 03, 2003, 04:39:00 AM
Post by: SpankMan on November 30, 2002, 03:11:00 AM
Post by: prplehz on December 06, 2003, 10:04:00 AM
Post by: jas0npc on December 06, 2003, 07:09:00 PM
Thanks for help...
Post by: Xeero on December 06, 2003, 07:16:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on December 06, 2003, 07:46:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Well i really look forward to that app, really need it at the mo. Thanks for help... |
I do not understand this. How do you think your Xbox needs a defrag? If your HD is full, EvolutionX runs a little slower when booting for example. That is because the HD is full, not because a defrag is needed.
Please explain
Post by: Brace on December 07, 2003, 06:46:00 PM
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Post by: mde3233967 on December 07, 2003, 07:11:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on December 07, 2003, 07:22:00 PM
2. You do not need to post the exact topic 6 times in the same forum around the same time.
Post by: HaLLiNG79 on December 13, 2003, 01:27:00 AM
Post by: gamerman on December 14, 2003, 04:19:00 PM
Can anyone help me ?
Post by: terrorvis on December 15, 2003, 02:32:00 AM
I would like one also, so if anyone knows different......
Post by: gsgleason on December 15, 2003, 07:30:00 AM
| QUOTE (terrorvis @ Dec 15 2003, 04:32 AM) |
| I am sure it wont be long, as I don't see any real reason why it can't be done. |
Well then why don't you do it, terrorvis?
Post by: moistness on December 15, 2003, 07:36:00 AM
| QUOTE (gsgleason @ Dec 15 2003, 05:30 PM) | ||
Well then why don't you do it, terrorvis? |
cos he's waitin for a "cleaver" person to do it!!
Post by: terrorvis on December 16, 2003, 03:09:00 AM
No one else had bothered to reply.
Post by: moistness on December 16, 2003, 03:15:00 AM
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Post by: terrorvis on December 16, 2003, 03:24:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| (and please dont be so touchy, its only a little joke dude ) |
Ditto
Thanks for the info though.
Post by: moistness on December 16, 2003, 03:28:00 AM
Post by: 143 on December 16, 2003, 07:44:00 AM
Post by: Aristotle on December 16, 2003, 07:46:00 AM
You could probably do a search and find out more info that I could give you about it.
Post by: xfallengloryx on December 18, 2003, 08:56:00 PM
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Post by: xbox_4_me on December 22, 2003, 02:43:00 PM
My ESPN NFL on both my Hard Drive and on the DVD
and I noticed that animations... (Like the halftime logo that drops down
and other ESPN animations) play slower and possibly a little choppy
off of the HDD. Off the DVD it plays NICE!
Are there any utils that will DEFRAG a XBOX HDD?
I'd like to try this, but dont know how to go about it.
I've got lotsa games on the HDD and have removed and added
alot in the past... could have lots of fragged files on it.
Any suggestions?
Post by: heinrich on December 22, 2003, 02:47:00 PM
Post by: phil31169 on December 22, 2003, 06:59:00 PM
the only stupid question is the one that goes unasked
Post by: yaazz on December 22, 2003, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on December 22, 2003, 07:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (Enygma @ Dec 22 2003, 08:47 PM) |
| Hmmm... format is not the only way. Besides, you lose all your data (unless it's backed up, which you probably assume the person would do) Easier way (which requires no format but backing up of data) is simply moving all of the files from your XBOX E or F partition to another storage device and then copying the files back. Copying files to an empty partition results in no fragments. |
Yes, that would be the same... but I think you will find that deleting all the files from a large partition takes longer than the 2 seconds that evox takes to format a partition. Either way, yes, you will need to backup and transfer your data back.
xbox_4_me, this question is asked ALL THE TIME, infact, I will merge a few topics asking the same question; maybe it will help others who do search.
Post by: HAL2001 on December 22, 2003, 08:12:00 PM
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Post by: FUCKME on December 26, 2003, 12:29:00 PM
can i install all my applications to the c drive instead of the f drive, because i installed a game to the c drive by mistake and it didnt work, it only worked when it was on the f drive. I wonder if thats the same for the applications, that way i can save as much space on my f drive for my game.
thanxs
Post by: FUCKME on December 26, 2003, 02:45:00 PM
can i install all my applications to the c drive instead of the f drive, because i installed a game to the c drive by mistake and it didnt work, it only worked when it was on the f drive. I wonder if thats the same for the applications, that way i can save as much space on my f drive for my game.
thanxs
Post by: FUCKME on December 26, 2003, 02:46:00 PM
can i install all my applications to the c drive instead of the f drive, because i installed a game to the c drive by mistake and it didnt work, it only worked when it was on the f drive. I wonder if thats the same for the applications, that way i can save as much space on my f drive for my game.
thanxs
Post by: Trevante on December 26, 2003, 03:04:00 PM
but why are u worried about defragging your xbox?
and i think u can install apps in the C drive, u just need to configure evox or what ever dash u use to recognize the game/app in the C drive, but i wouldn't recommend it. the c drive is for system files so u should just leave it like that.