Post by: SSSSSmokey on July 02, 2003, 01:27:00 PM
I will never get it if people start playing copied games with this!
Post by: feflicker on July 02, 2003, 01:44:00 PM
The cheating I understand, but who cares if it is a backup copy. You still have to pay for live, right?
Post by: XanTium on July 02, 2003, 02:39:00 PM
but for now xlive can still detect it (kernel in memory is patched - xlive checks that).
Post by: quall on July 02, 2003, 06:09:00 PM
Post by: Crusader on July 02, 2003, 06:54:00 PM
Post by: pez on July 02, 2003, 07:40:00 PM
| QUOTE (Crusader @ Jul 2 2003, 07:54 PM) |
| It's annoying how people assume that people who want to play backups on live are either cheaters or expect to use the live service for free. Personally, I make copies of all my retail games and would like to be able to use them online. Also, I don't see why my Xbox has to be in the exact state that M$ demands just to play online. |
The problem is that if backups (unsigned code) are made possible on Live, then so are hacks. Just because you won't cheat or use pirated games on Live doesn't mean that other people will abide by the same rules.
Believe me, if unsigned code is allowed to get on, there WILL be cheaters even if you (Crusader) don't cheat.
Therefore, I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out "why my Xbox has to be in the exact state that M$ demands just to play online."
Post by: Crusader on July 02, 2003, 08:32:00 PM
It's all about control, and I won't allow MS to tell what I can and can't do to the hardware that I bought.
Post by: crapdude2001 on July 02, 2003, 08:35:00 PM
Post by: pez on July 02, 2003, 08:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (Crusader @ Jul 2 2003, 09:32 PM) |
| No one's PC is exactly the same, and while you will occassionally run into cheaters, it doesn't stop most online PC gaming from being fun. It's all about control, and I won't allow MS to tell what I can and can't do to the hardware that I bought. |
You can do whatever you want with the hardware you bought. That's fully within your rights.
However, it's perfectly within MS' rights to ban you from their online service if you try to bypass the online service's security. If you get banned, that's the risk you take. Blocking out cheaters keeps the system working on a level playing field.
Post by: Crusader on July 02, 2003, 08:50:00 PM
There would be no privacy issues at stake if online games would use cd keys instead of these stupid checks....then we could use our Xboxs in any state but it would have to be up to the game companies to stop cheating.
Post by: splict on July 02, 2003, 09:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (Crusader @ Jul 3 2003, 04:50 AM) |
| I don't want MS scanning my console anytime they want. |
They're not scanning it anytime they want, only when you connect to their service. That's a big difference.
Post by: pez on July 02, 2003, 09:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (Crusader @ Jul 2 2003, 09:50 PM) |
| My point is the security system goes too far. I don't care if it's not a PC, I don't want MS scanning my console anytime they want. There would be no privacy issues at stake if online games would use cd keys instead of these stupid checks....then we could use our Xboxs in any state but it would have to be up to the game companies to stop cheating. |
There's no privacy issue here. There's no scanning or banning until YOU voluntarily initiate a connection to THEIR system.
If you have a problem with that, then don't touch any menu options relating to Live when your mod chip is on.
I'm don't even think the Live server actually scans the user for modifications. The way I understand it (and I could be wrong), it's the client software on the user's end that transmits upon connection whether the BIOS has been modified.
Post by: RayTwoOneThree on July 03, 2003, 01:39:00 AM
Post by: MikeHolliday on July 03, 2003, 06:16:00 AM
| QUOTE (pez @ Jul 3 2003, 04:40 AM) | ||
The problem is that if backups (unsigned code) are made possible on Live, then so are hacks. Just because you won't cheat or use pirated games on Live doesn't mean that other people will abide by the same rules. Believe me, if unsigned code is allowed to get on, there WILL be cheaters even if you (Crusader) don't cheat. Therefore, I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out "why my Xbox has to be in the exact state that M$ demands just to play online." |
Ever play Halo on Xbconnect? No way to cheat.
There goes your entire argument.
Post by: da_shiznit on July 03, 2003, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: Droid on July 03, 2003, 02:10:00 PM
Post by: nautiazn85 on July 03, 2003, 06:42:00 PM
Those are annoying bugs, lets not even start with hacks.
The point is, once backups can be played on XBLIVE, so can hacks. You can restrict just one, and have the other. They come hand-in-hand.
Post by: nautiazn85 on July 03, 2003, 06:43:00 PM
It'll be a sad day when backups are playable on live.
Post by: feflicker on July 03, 2003, 06:59:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Good I dont want to see cheaters and freeloaders with their Illegal copies on XBL |
What kind of ridiculous statement is this? Although this site does not condone piracy, nor do I publicly, I could care less if the people on Live have a retail game or not. How would you even know unless they were cheating? <And if they were cheating, wouldn't it be obvious?> This statement seems elitist to me, like Live is some private club for just the "xbox right wing"
| QUOTE |
| It's annoying how people assume that people who want to play backups on live are either cheaters or expect to use the live service for free. Personally, I make copies of all my retail games and would like to be able to use them online. Also, I don't see why my Xbox has to be in the exact state that M$ demands just to play online. |
Amen brother! My xbox, my games, my Live subscription, I should be able to do whatever I want with them. If you think otherwise, people like you are the reason the DMCA got signed into law
And if you think people are cheating, just play with people who you know aren't cheating. It is that simple!
Post by: Mechazilla on July 03, 2003, 10:24:00 PM
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Post by: dmauro on July 04, 2003, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: manobano on September 17, 2003, 10:58:00 AM
second, why shud it matter if ppl use backup copies of games on XB live as long as they arent hurting u????? only problem that should be discussed here is cheating online, M$ shud focus on just banning cheaters than ppl who run unsigned code.............