Post by: eminvil_12 on November 28, 2004, 06:48:00 PM
i have looked at all my mates xboxs and can find their chips soldered to the lpc ports. but cant find anything on my motherboard, it looks stock to me.
the thing is i saw the guy solder something but i dont know what.
I payed $80aus for this. in the trading post he was advertising mod chips not TSOP flashes, so i should be able to get a mod chip off him shouldnt i?..... I am new to this particular forum as you can see, im not at all familiar with how to flash the TSOP.
thanks for everyones help, but still dont know what i am supposed to be looking for, it would be very helpful if someone could draw on one of the pictures i supplied of where this guy has soldered. and what he has done. if someone has a picture of a standard motherboard with no mods applied can they post it and show where the points soldered on my xbox are and what they are supposed to look like stock.
any help what so ever would be greatly appreciated, as i payed this fker $80aus to flash my TSOP, something i could have done myself for nothing.
i have included some pictures for you.
these are the links
mobo 1
mobo 2
mobo 3
close up, not best quality
close up 2 not best quality
close up 3 not best quality
i have a version 1.1 with hynix.
any help is greatly appreciated, thankyou.
Post by: lordvader129 on November 28, 2004, 07:01:00 PM
and see if they are bridged with solder, if they are then go back and complain (if they arent you probably have a softmod, which is really somethign to complain about)
Post by: JohnnyHunng on November 28, 2004, 07:39:00 PM
Anyway, i've seen some installers install on the bottom of the board, slim chance, but possible.
How do u have to boot it, is there anything special going on with that? Any switches?
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 28, 2004, 10:20:00 PM
and nothing special to boot it. just normal
Post by: Jumpy_Beans on November 28, 2004, 10:28:00 PM
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 28, 2004, 10:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (lordvader129 @ Nov 29 2004, 04:04 AM) |
| look at these spots and see if they are bridged with solder, if they are then go back and complain (if they arent you probably have a softmod, which is really somethign to complain about) |
those points you specified are not bridged, they are not soldered together.
so does this mean i have a softmod? and with softmods do you need to solder in anything or put in a cd?
because all he did was solder something, well it looked like he was.
Post by: lordvader129 on November 28, 2004, 10:34:00 PM
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 28, 2004, 10:42:00 PM
and what is the flashing process? because he didnt use any cds or anything like that if that is what you need for flashing.
im still learning abput this stuff so i apologize if anyhting im saying dont make sense
Post by: Pizza Pizz on November 29, 2004, 09:08:00 AM
he may of:
used the alternative tsop points which are underneath - usually joined by small kynar wire, flashed and removed wires but there should be some minor bits of solder left
could of used a piece of wire that just fitted into the track-holes - a little risky but leaves no marks
or another way is the wire joining the tsop points taped down with cellotape - risky if the circuit is weak or breaks whilst flashing but again leaves no trace
he could of softmodded it but to be sure about this you would need to get another unlocked xbox hd and see if it boots ok or if you get error 5 or 6
Post by: Pizza Pizz on November 29, 2004, 09:27:00 AM
You say this was a while ago and certains words or the way they are used may mean different things
"I will mod your xbox" this can mean I will modify your xbox
"I will put an xecuter 2 on there" - hmmm little misleading he may of put an xecuter 2 bios on there and that is what he meant he will say
Unless he said he will fit an xecuter modchip - "MODCHIP" then he hasn't actually comitted any fraud
If he said xecuter 2 mod - then he may say yeah it was modified with an xecuter 2 mod / bios = xecuter 2 modification
No I ain't sticking up for the bloke - he seems to have mislead you and you may have paid for something you thought you was getting but did not
You go in their all guns blazing and calling the police he is gonna get pissed and he may have a very good chance of getting out of this like the examples I listed above and besides - it's your word against his
What you could do is try to talk to him saying something like you are going to go live next month and can't find the switch to disable the mod he is supposed to have fitted etc.......
You may be able to come to an agreement on a spare pad/game etc...... without it getting shitty or you trying to ruin this bloke's reputation/business - though it seems he ain't exactly honest with his customers
Yes there are some some piss takers, rippers and bad installers out there, I'd try the calm chat method first about using LIVE when you get broadband next month first
then tell everyone he's a fucking conning bastard after you got it all resolved
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 29, 2004, 03:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (xokia @ Nov 29 2004, 05:18 PM) |
| Your pictures are of the back of the board modchips and TSOP flash are on the other side of the board. this bloke told me when i bought the tsop flash that i cant go on live. and i already told him i have live and wont be using it. ok this guy left his number and details on a few stickers under the xbox, right on top of the two screws under the stickers. so i now have his deatails and i matched his number to the one in the tradingpost and his add reads: modchips installed $80 evolution x upgrades $60 call xxxx xxx xxx so should i ring him and ask all about this problem, he says he installs a modchip, which isnt a tsop flash right? anyway what do you think i should do. pizza pizz - your methods sound good but i already have broadband and live. |
i have tried my mates hard drive in mine and my xbox still works fine, plays all my burnt games and etc. so this means it isnt softmodded
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 29, 2004, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: radish28 on November 29, 2004, 07:58:00 PM
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 29, 2004, 08:58:00 PM
can anyone explain what he has done, i know a little bit but not all of it.
i know he has bridged those two points, but then what has he done?
is all you have to do is turn the xbox on then off then un bridge them, i dont know. i have looked at the tuts but done fully understand them.
can someone just quickly clarify the steps he has taken to tsop my xbox.
step 1 is bridging those two points then what?
thanks
Post by: lordvader129 on November 29, 2004, 09:10:00 PM
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 29, 2004, 09:49:00 PM
does he have to load a cd to do a tsop flash?
Post by: iLLNESS on November 29, 2004, 10:40:00 PM
eitherway, he said $80 for a modchip installed... or whatever
so id go bitch at him
Post by: Pizza Pizz on November 29, 2004, 11:40:00 PM
how long ago did you get her modded - ooopps tsop'd
if it was 18 - 24months ago he could of flashed it using a 29 wire enigmah/xtender or 11 wire messiah X - booted to evox and flash tsop
probably didn't use a mod/diable flash tsop method but if any of you lot can remember back before atx psu's came along - the 007 auf trick didn't exist and this was how it was done and I'd want $80 aus to install a homebrew/flash tsop n remove it
ok he probably used 007 evox but still would like to know how long ago it was upgraded.....
yup perhaps around 50 would have been more like it but it depends on when it was done - xbox's have dropped in price a lot and the replacement costs therefore have come down if anything went tits up
plus mods have come down in price a bit too and more so a lot more peeps are tsop/softmod/modchip installing stuff themselves.....
suffice to say I would reckon most installers have either kept their prices the same or dropped it slightly as modding has in general got easier/cheaper
don't bitch about the 1.6 lpc - the 29 wire tsop flash was like a plate of spaghetti - luckily i only had to use messiah-x but homebrew was done to revive a tsop balls up - oooops
I used to charge about £35 or £40 for a tsop a year or so ago - when a mod install was about £50 - tsop price plus modchip cost. As it stood it wasn't just a tsop - they would want this n that on there, saves backed up onto newer h/d, and a fucking noobie tutorial plus on-line support 24/7
ah sod it - go back n have a chat with the bloke
Post by: Ozmods on November 29, 2004, 11:41:00 PM
So you are not the only one.
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 30, 2004, 12:29:00 AM
now i have checked a few sites when this was but found various dates.
i have a hynix. and v1.1
would he had to of chucked in any cd's to do the tsop flash, im sorry i still dont understand the whole thing about tsoping.
because i cant remember him puttin in any cds
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 30, 2004, 12:39:00 AM
because now i want to upgrade the bios from the slayer disc but it says i cant.
so im thinking if i can just buy an xecuter or aladdin or something just install and no worries or is i install it have to muck around with stuff?
Post by: markland556 on November 30, 2004, 01:28:00 AM
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 30, 2004, 04:36:00 AM
i have allready identified that he has tsop'd it.
and he did it a week before ninja gaiden came out in aus, what are the steps he took.
Post by: JohnnyHunng on November 30, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
The process is:
1. Unlock the tsop by brindging the pads
2. Exploit in to the xbox to gain FTP access (this is when u use 007, MA, or splinter cell and a gamesave)
3. Now u can either run raincoat to flash the tsop, or another similar tsop flash utility, or upload a bios into the c folder and flash from evox.
4. Install a dashboard (like evox or whatever)
Done.
Post by: xboxmodder4life on November 30, 2004, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 30, 2004, 05:05:00 PM
im pretty sure thats the only disc he inserted.
im going to solder those points up on my board and flash to m8 i think.
is it only those two points i have to bridge? no other points anywhere?
thanks
Post by: SniperXx on November 30, 2004, 06:29:00 PM
There is prob a way to load the save and it do all the work without having to use a PC.
Did he use his PC any or hook a broadband cable to the back of your Xbox? After he got done soldering. While you was there?
Post by: bourke on November 30, 2004, 08:37:00 PM
I flash TSOP mods around Melbourne (done about 300 in the past year), but I always tell people when it's not a chip being installed. Plus my average (!) price for a TSOP is $40 (I used to only charge $30 last year!). I only charge more for on-site installations, so depending on how far your guy had to travel $80 may not have been unreasonable (a fair price is $1 per kilometre).
I always give at least two options, e.g:
TSOP
Super Aladdin Live
Spiderchip
SmartXX v2
Software Mod
Oh, and if people come back wanting a switch (now popular due to Xbox Live being half price) then I just charge them $30 for it (and chuck in an Aladdin).
cheers,
Richard
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 30, 2004, 09:34:00 PM
now what i really want to know is whether i can give him a call and say i want $50 back or something along those lines or i want a chip in my xbox thats what i payed for and thats what you advertised.
no he did not use a laptop and connect any cables to the ethernet port out the back of the xbox. but he definitely could have flashed it through evox if thats possible from what i have read in the forum.
im so confused as to what i should do, should i just buy a new chip install it and reflash the bios, is that possible or do i have to muck around with the xbox.
i really want to install a xenium or xecuter 3, but dont know what to do as i have the tsop flashed.
help appreciated and thankyou for all of your helpful replies
PS: Burke i had it tsopd 1 week before ninja gaiden was released in australia, i have done a bit of searching but have found various dates. sorry but i think it was around the middle of may this year
Post by: eminvil_12 on November 30, 2004, 10:01:00 PM
and if i was to get a chip would i just install it, but then what would i do.
could i flash it through slayers?
thanks for your help el diablo
Post by: bourke on December 01, 2004, 04:49:00 AM
4th Generation chips (led by SmartXX v2) only have 'show-off' features like:
built-in web and ftp servers
multiple bioses with runtime bios selection
failsafe recovery from bad flashing
cheers,
Richard
Post by: JohnnyHunng on December 01, 2004, 06:23:00 AM
Then u'll be able to get on live (kinda)...
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 01, 2004, 08:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (JohnnyHunng @ Dec 1 2004, 03:26 PM) |
| Since u got a 1.1, take it back to him, and have him install a switch and tell him u want half the tsop flashed with the latest X2 bios and half with a stock ms bios all for free and be done with it... Then u'll be able to get on live (kinda)... |
what do you mean by "kinda" ???
will i still get banned from live?
Post by: JohnnyHunng on December 01, 2004, 09:02:00 AM
Post by: N1vek215 on December 01, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
Post by: Zoon on December 01, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
Post by: el_diablo on December 01, 2004, 02:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (eminvil_12 @ Dec 1 2004, 07:04 AM) |
| and if i was to get a chip would i just install it, but then what would i do. could i flash it through slayers? |
yes, flash it through slayers
i agree the 4th gen chips have alot of show off features
i reckon just get some money from him and forget about a modchip and live, there is alot of stupid people on it anyway, just use kai if you wanna play online
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 01, 2004, 05:07:00 PM
im just making sure everythig is going to be okshould i even mention cops, if i dont then he wont feel like he has to pay me.
EDIT: BTW can all chips have a switch installed?
thanks
Post by: JohnnyHunng on December 01, 2004, 05:25:00 PM
Nah don't bring the cops in it, not exactly a legal transaction that went on between you and him, considering u bought a hacked bios...I would leave that out....Just threaten to whip his ass, and if he doesn't budge, go whip his ass for real.
I would just call him, tell him i know for a fact he didn't install a mod, and he only did tsop, and that i don't want no money back from him (cuz ur not gonna get any anyway) I just want him to install a switch and flash half of the tsop with the stock ms bios it came with and the other half with the latest X2 bios...And be done with the whole thing...I know u feel played, but that's a life lesson and being the type of deal this is, not much u can do about it...If he just sold u a legal chip with cromwell on it or something, and it didn't work, then u would have a gripe.
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 01, 2004, 05:32:00 PM
| QUOTE (JohnnyHunng @ Dec 2 2004, 02:28 AM) |
| If he's cool, he'll say just bring it in, if not he'll give u the runaround, that's when u tell him ur gonna visit him and bust him up |
by runaround do you mean he says something like my chip cant have a switch or its hidden away, shit like that?
Post by: JohnnyHunng on December 01, 2004, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: bourke on December 02, 2004, 04:50:00 AM
cheers,
Bourkie
P.S. what was his name? Appearance / height / nationality :-P
Post by: bourke on December 02, 2004, 03:38:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| then i would put that $40 towards an x3 |
Note that all prices quoted in this thread were Australian dollars - so they are not as unreasonable as some of you are incorrectly assuming.
I.e. when I started 12 months ago I was charging the equivalent of US$15 per TSOP.
Thus I have indeed managed to keep all Melbourne mod prices fairly reasonable by undercutting all competition!
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 02, 2004, 04:34:00 PM
| QUOTE (bourke @ Dec 2 2004, 01:53 PM) |
| Where abouts are you in Melbourne? (trying to determine whether your mod man was in fact me LOL!) cheers, Bourkie P.S. what was his name? Appearance / height / nationality :-P |
Bourke, do you advertise in the trading post?
i live around the essendon district and i couldnt remember the guys name but the guy was shortish, asian or chinese descent, could speak english ok, when he was doing the flash he had a friend which drove an red ford falcon au. and drove off until the guy rang him up to come and get him.
he charged $80 and his mob number is 0423 **1 935.
was it you?
Post by: bourke on December 02, 2004, 04:55:00 PM
Although considering I've done over 300 mods, my friends say I should have been born asian!
cheers,
Bourkie
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 02, 2004, 10:11:00 PM
Post by: LookieLue on December 02, 2004, 10:19:00 PM
if he wont give you your money back that dose not sound wise
Post by: iLLNESS on December 02, 2004, 11:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (el_diablo @ Dec 1 2004, 02:35 AM) |
man i charge $70 AUD for modchip installs  and i actually do install the chip maybe i should charge more you got ripped really bad. just those 2 points... where abouts in australia are you? im in melbourne |
well theres alot less risk installing a modchip then flashing a tsop
if the person wants a modchip ill install it for less then a tsop install...
the reason i want a tsop install is usually cause theyre too cheap to buy a modchip.. theyre usually the ones who bitch about problems.. so what are you going to do when the power goes out? u just gonna hand them theyre xbox back and say tough luck?
doing a tsop install may be less work, but ALOT more risk.. if u fuckup, the xbox is toast
a mod install generally if u fuck up its pretty easy to fix
plus, tsop users tend to want everything done for them.. dash's installed/emus loaded/etc
plus upgrading the hdd...
chip installs i set them with the basics.. ftp support and thats it..
its everyones opinion though.. imo tsop flashing is worth more money
if they wanna buy a $40 modchip and pay another $40 for an install thats fine.. or they can pay $50 to get a tsop flashed and save $30
if people pay whats the problem.. look at xbox live the price is ridiculous..
imo i dont feel $70 aus is a rip off at all.. sure he didnt pay for any actual hardware, but he paid for a service, he paid less then he would have to get a modchip and installed...
but in his personal case, he paid for a service/product he did not receive
Post by: DevoDave on December 03, 2004, 02:39:00 AM
If there is anyone on the planet that can take out a TSOP and replace it with mobile equipment, I would bow my head to a true soldering GOD!!
Damn hard, and VERY difficult to do quickly.
Post by: Heet on December 03, 2004, 03:10:00 AM
Post by: desertboy on December 03, 2004, 04:14:00 AM
I'd charge £50 to fit a modchip (Including chip) but everyone always goes with the TSoP.
Post by: bourke on December 03, 2004, 04:54:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| i think ill sell my xbox in the tradingpost for as much as i can get then buy a new one. and chip it. |
Note that the current Xboxes are harder to do, and so the guys in the trading post will charge you at least $90 to chip them.
It may be cheaper just the chip the one you already have (I could do that for $60).
cheers,
Richard
P.S. I'm in Balwyn North
Post by: JohnnyHunng on December 03, 2004, 05:19:00 PM
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 03, 2004, 05:32:00 PM
he was tryin to get into xbox modding aswell and he removed the jewell and snapped it in half then painted it red, looks like shit so im hoping to get it for cheaper im going to try get his xbox and two controllers, and a few games for under $120aus.
i think ill offer him exaclty $100.
and i was actually going to install the chip myself, not some one else.
except i need to find a place in aus which sells them.
if anyone can help me out that would be great.
im thinking of buying one from quantronics.
and burke, i dont have a chip at the moment
Post by: DevoDave on December 03, 2004, 11:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (RonnieIsBack @ Dec 3 2004, 10:55 PM) |
| Maybe you dont know how good someone can be... Jesus Walks |
Yes... I've done it that way myself, but it was NOT quick. A SMT hot air unit gives better results.
Have to have balls of steel to attempt to do that for a paying customer while he/she is watching!
BUT... The dude did the job quickly!! I would think that possibly he used an in-circuit programmer rather than this.
Post by: Ozmods on December 04, 2004, 03:41:00 AM
Notice how some of the legs where getting bent?..well it wouldn't take much for them to break off.
Also he skips most of the time spent cleaning up the legs of the chip after removing it, using that method alot of time would be needed to straighten the legs up and get them clean enough to fit in a programming socket..
Keep in mind the longer you keep the iron on the tracks the more chance you will cause damage to the board..
If there are any noobs that are thinking of doing this make sure you find some old board and practice allot.
I can remove the TSOP, re-program and re-solder it within 15 mins and i have done many while the customer waits but i have the right equipment...
So i suppose if you don't want to buy a SMD rework tool that is a cheaper alternative.
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 04, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (RonnieIsBack @ Dec 3 2004, 10:55 PM) |
| Maybe you dont know how good someone can be... Jesus Walks |
he didnt remove and resolder another TSOP, i told you it all looks stock.
and what is an in circuit programmer ?
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 04, 2004, 05:44:00 PM
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 04, 2004, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: DevoDave on December 04, 2004, 10:17:00 PM
I really think he used a 007/mechassault exploit, but you didn't notice him whack in the game disk.
Really, all this talk of TSOP removal and ICP's ignore the fact that it is only a simple job to do a TSOP flash, so why would anyone make things difficult? At the end of the day, your modder provided you with a modified xbox at a price which is not unreasonable for a house call.
Perhaps your modder didn't communicate effectively with you (language difficulties?) in regard to what he was doing, but on the other hand you didn't question him either.
You have plenty of offers to put an actual modchip in your box at a reasonable price (and I'll add to the list. $80 installed for an Aladdin, and I'll revert your TSOP to stock. See www.meltonmods.com) so if it bothers you that much, fix it.
Post by: Ozmods on December 05, 2004, 04:49:00 AM
So shut the fuck up you got a free Bios and method to make some small change from naive people that have no idea what a TSOP flash is. I am sure if you explained it to then they would always choose a chip..So crawl back under your rock and wait for the next free app to be leeched so you can suck more naive people in out of there hard earned money..
Oh and $5 is too much to pay for a TSOP flash let alone $80.
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 05, 2004, 05:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (xmod @ Dec 5 2004, 06:19 PM) |
its funny to see someone bitch about ripping someone off when thats what these chips are used for(not intended, but abused to no end  ). i think youre just upset cause that cuts into your own pocket with your neato little chip page.i should add i give people all 3 options and i charge the same for every install. |
hey, im bitchin because i thought this guy installed a CHIP into my xbox but instead he just did a TSOP flash. I was supposed to be paying $80 for a chip not a TSOP flash, and yeh i agree with ozmods in a way, TSOPers using all the BIOSes , whos bioses.
anyway the point is he advertised a mod chip but instead just flashed the TSOP.
BTW mod chips are just ripping off M$ and how much do they make in profit a year, there money isnt just in xboxs, its just about everything. IMO i think its alright to rip off the bigger company. the percentage of chips in xboxs is probably smaller than you think aswell.
Where as a teen getting ripped $80 when he dosent have a job, thats a different story. As im not making millions in profit each year, am i.
$80, your saying chips are ripping off M$, take a look at you charging $100 bucks for nothing. that better be USD.
Post by: JohnnyHunng on December 05, 2004, 06:02:00 PM
The guy played u cuz u were ignorant to the facts, get over it, chalk it up, if ur not gonna confront him like a man and either force him to install a mod or put in a switch (like i suggested), stop crying and move on with ur life, damm! Go play something.
Post by: koooester on December 05, 2004, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 05, 2004, 11:17:00 PM
and yeh, i have been asking what chip i should get, as i want to install it myself.
i was a noobie when this guy did the mod so i had no idea what he was doing. i didnt where the chip went what it looked like.
Post by: koooester on December 06, 2004, 02:27:00 PM
Post by: kobart on December 06, 2004, 07:32:00 PM
you do a job in my opinion it would be to someone that's not to familiar with the
modding process or what it entails otherwise if they knew they would be doing it themselves. They would come to me becuase they have heard that i can give them extra capabilities to use with their xbox. I do not go into the details as to the difference between the two, I show them one of the tsop modds that I have and all that they can do with it and when I am done their jaws are completely droped in exitement. I have done over 15 Tsop jobs and is not to save money on moddchips, it 's you really get the same results if not better and with all the benefits of the moddchip. In fact it's the same your just using the actual MS bios instead of a secondary. I have not had anyone come no me complaining that I ripped them off! Instead all I continue to get is referals from the very same people that I have done jobs for. I had a guy told me he would have paid 400 for the very same job. On the other hand I have had many people ask me how it is that I can do what I do and I tell them that I have to go in there and solder a few points and then I have to flash there bios, and they ask me, what is that! You hire a stock broker to make you money, when he does you don't go to him complaining about the way he made you that money. I have afew friends that there moddchips have stop working and they have come to me to ask me how it is that I flash the bios. If that guy told you he was selling you a moddchip then he did wrong! If he told you he was modding your xbox you might have paid a little to much for an exploit. In any case if indeed he flashed your bios (which it does not seem to be the case cause if you have ever solder anything you know your going to leave some kind of mark) you may be better off than with a moddchip. Bottom line the people that I have done these jobs continue to be very happy and continue to send me people and they can not believe all the things that they are able to do.
everything that they are able to do
Post by: DJdad on December 06, 2004, 11:27:00 PM
If they want a Mod chip its $200
TSOP with a switch split bios is $200
And thats the way it is. My time is very valuable and I'm the best in the area.
Post by: lordvader129 on December 06, 2004, 11:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (DJdad @ Dec 7 2004, 01:30 AM) |
| Long ago I charged around 80$ for a TSOP. Now I charge $150 If they want a Mod chip its $200 TSOP with a switch split bios is $200 And thats the way it is. My time is very valuable and I'm the best in the area. |
god damn, what area do you live in? im gonna move there and compete with you, lol
Post by: 1nick9 on December 07, 2004, 12:45:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Long ago I charged around 80$ for a TSOP. Now I charge $150 If they want a Mod chip its $200 TSOP with a switch split bios is $200 And thats the way it is. My time is very valuable and I'm the best in the area. |
god dam it wat a fucking rip off i only charge $30au for tsop flash and split if possible and $60au for a mod (aladdin) i can install any mod they want but it cost more the cost of the chip + $30au installion and if its a 1.6 i charge $45au (use cheap mods)
and ps2 mods i charge $80au or any mod they want + $40au for installion
cheers
Post by: el_diablo on December 07, 2004, 02:29:00 AM
| QUOTE (xmod @ Dec 6 2004, 03:19 AM) |
| it doesnt really hurt MS as much as it hurts the companies who make the game since you already purchased the xbox. youre skipping buying the games. |
u assuming everyone is a pirate?
| QUOTE |
| Long ago I charged around 80$ for a TSOP. Now I charge $150 If they want a Mod chip its $200 TSOP with a switch split bios is $200 And thats the way it is. My time is very valuable and I'm the best in the area. |
u killed every one else in the area didnt you?
Post by: DJdad on December 07, 2004, 11:00:00 AM
I also dont give any games to my customers.
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 07, 2004, 02:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (el_diablo @ Dec 7 2004, 11:32 AM) |
| u killed every one else in the area didnt you? |
LOL
, and you charge them as much as one hour in your day job, jeez you must make a shitload of cash.wait so you make around $150us an hour.....thats more than ill ever make. thats still making over $100aud, what the hell do you do?
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 07, 2004, 06:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (el_diablo @ Dec 8 2004, 02:57 AM) |
| his a hitman my dad makes around $150 an hour. i only make $10 an hour  being 17 suks... |
^^
LOL^^being 16 sucks, cant find a bloody job so im with centrelink. i think ill make a resume and apply at a few supermarkets or something
i dont like youth allowance much coz only $180 a fort night
only good thing when your 16 is driving a car. but with parents
bit off topic but who cares
Post by: xmod on December 08, 2004, 03:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (el_diablo @ Dec 7 2004, 11:32 AM) |
| u assuming everyone is a pirate? |
i did not say that all are. im willing to bet about 80-90% of modded users are though.
Post by: ckh2004 on December 08, 2004, 03:18:00 AM
Post by: el_diablo on December 08, 2004, 04:51:00 PM
| QUOTE (ckh2004 @ Dec 8 2004, 12:21 PM) |
| I charge the equivalent of US$23 for all TSOP flashing and US$35 for hard mod with Aladdin XT mod chip, even for v1.6. Sometimes, I was paid as low as US$30 for hard mod with Aladdin XT |
damn, how much do you buy them for?
Post by: ckh2004 on December 08, 2004, 07:40:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| damn, how much do you buy them for? |
hehe... I used Aladdin XT Lite, bought them quite cheap from www.robotpig.com:
http://www.robotpig.com/xbox.php
$8 each in quantity of 30 pieces, excluding PayPal charges and shipping. It is safe to choose the cheapest shipping which is Register Air Mail, at least to my country.
But be warned that the Aladdin XT Lite / 4032 from robotpig.com might not work in v1.6b (those using Hynix RAM chips).
Post by: kobart on December 08, 2004, 08:22:00 PM
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I charge the equivalent of US$23 for all TSOP flashing and US$35 for hard mod with Aladdin XT mod chip, even for v1.6. Sometimes, I was paid as low as US$30 for hard mod with Aladdin XT
Post by: ckh2004 on December 08, 2004, 09:39:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Damn, where do you live, in Cuba! |
You mean people in Cuba can afford xbox ?!?! ... just kidding
No, I stay in one of the most expensive cities in East Asia. My country is a tiny little island in South East Asia, an island that is much smaller than Cuba.
Post by: ckh2004 on December 08, 2004, 09:41:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Damn, where do you live, in Cuba! |
You mean people in Cuba can afford xbox ?!?! ... just kidding
No, I stay in one of the most expensive cities in East Asia. My country is a tiny little island in South East Asia, an island that is much smaller than Cuba.
Country is small and the pupolation is also small and hence the intense competition for everything, includding xbox modding "business"
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 09, 2004, 09:27:00 PM
well especially not in melbourne
Post by: brandonshady on December 09, 2004, 11:52:00 PM
WTF is right....I mean if you thought you were buying a chip & having him install it... than you were pretty close to retail & a bump on his side from my point.
You can get a great chip on the market for around $35 to 40 USD (if you just buy 1)
If you order in bulk which is what most modder'd do.... you can grab a bunddle of cheaper one's... that have to be soldered in for around a bulk rate of $5-10 USD p/chip.
My prices & others in my area: Dallas,TX
TSOP Flash $20 w/out switch $25 w/ switch
Modchip $15 for v1.0-v1.5 $20 for v1.6 and v1.6b (plus chip cost)
HD Upgrade $10
Controller ports LEDs $25 for all four
Controller buttons OR jewel LEDs $15, buttons and jewel for $20 per conrtoller
Xbox Jewel LEDs $25
Some of the replies in here are right on... I do feel that the cheapest way to go to get the most out is TSOP. Myself I have one with a chip & 2 w/TSOP flashes. All work the same & in the end get what you want done. Total noob's in this area get ripped all the time. The common misconception is that you need a chip. I agree a TSOP is a rip off (to chip companies), but what are we all doing when we install the chips... I mean come on the whole thing is a way to rip off and/or mod your xbox beyond it's intended purpose.
End result... you jumped out there before knowing all your options & the games that modders prey on noob's. So you got burned, but your xbox is doing or is able to do, what I am sure you need it to. If your wanting a diff. dashboard or bios to accomadate a bigger HDD... then re-solder the points, read some posts & play with it... That's just my opinion!BTW: I know this started as a post to find out what happened, but has really turned in to a bitch fest. If I were you... I'd run up on him & beat him like he stole something... LOL
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 10, 2004, 02:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (brandonshady @ Dec 10 2004, 08:55 AM) |
| BTW: I know this started as a post to find out what happened, but has really turned in to a bitch fest. If I were you... I'd run up on him & beat him like he stole something... LOL |
^^LOL^^
i agree that modders do prey on noobs, because thats all they deal with. id say nearly 100% of people ringing in to get a mod chip installed off someone hs no idea what the guy installing the mod is doing.
we also checked my mates xbox out and he payed $100 for a TSOP flash when he thought he was getting a mod chip.Post by: Pimptastic on December 10, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ozmods @ Dec 5 2004, 01:52 PM) |
| Oh and $5 is too much to pay for a TSOP flash let alone $80. |
I don't think $5 is worth all the time it took to learn how to TSOP flash, and I don't think $5 is worth the risk of F'ing up the xbox and having to buy the guy a new one.
Post by: LESTAT on December 11, 2004, 08:55:00 AM
he said he would install a MODCHIP!!! NOT a tsop, a tsop is NOT a modchip.
it dont mean a damn thing is he said alladin xecuter magic or wtf ever, he said modchip.
if all he did was come in and tsop this guys xbox then he fucked over this guy pretty hard.
the guy payed 80 AUS for a modchip not a bloody stupid pussy tsop. anyone can tsop. this guy screwed him over on purpose.
id call him and come right out and telll him, "hey ya bloody Abo you said you installed a modchip, i payed for a modchip, all you did was solder the motherboard and then unsolder it." "wtf am i suppose to do with a tsop that i cant even update , you never installed a chip"
tell him you'll come have your roo hump him while he's sleeping if he dont install the modchip like he said he would.
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 11, 2004, 08:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (LESTAT @ Dec 11 2004, 05:58 PM) |
| guys this so called modder PURPOSELY mislead this guy. he said he would install a MODCHIP!!! NOT a tsop, a tsop is NOT a modchip. it dont mean a damn thing is he said alladin xecuter magic or wtf ever, he said modchip. if all he did was come in and tsop this guys xbox then he fucked over this guy pretty hard. the guy payed 80 AUS for a modchip not a bloody stupid pussy tsop. anyone can tsop. this guy screwed him over on purpose. id call him and come right out and telll him, "hey ya bloody Abo you said you installed a modchip, i payed for a modchip, all you did was solder the motherboard and then unsolder it." "wtf am i suppose to do with a tsop that i cant even update , you never installed a chip" tell him you'll come have your roo hump him while he's sleeping if he dont install the modchip like he said he would. |
LOL, finally some one which dosent agree with the rest.
but no need for racism, he was chinese or something not on aboriginal.
grrrr i hate these bloody scammers.
Post by: streetchemistry on December 11, 2004, 08:44:00 PM
Post by: LESTAT on December 11, 2004, 09:06:00 PM
but aus $$ is like what $1 AUS = 0.75 USD ? still think about it thats, 60 dollars USA money. wtf. he could have purchased the modchip for 60 bucks and did it himself.
the most ive ever charged someone was 30 for a tsop why ? its called being a decent friggin human being. not some jerk off who charges an outrageous amount of money for a simple mod.
not to mention the fact that the guy unsoldered the point which makes it impossible for the guy to upgrade the bios. if he did it himself the guy would tell him well you just voided the labor warrenty i gave you.
any way you look at it people, this chinese, abo, phillipino, polock or whatever he was, screwed this guy over. he said modchip according to this guy, so he should have installed a modchip.
every single one of you would be mad as hell if some guy said yeah ill install a modchip and you gave him your xbox or he came over and then a while later you opened it only to find out the guy scammed you and its not a modchip at all but a tsop.
and if you said you wouldnt be mad your a liar. what do you do when you ordered the xecuter modchip and got one of those fake clone chips that are junk ? you get mad as the devil and demand a refund.... correct ?? yes,, now act like decnet human being and back this guy up.
Post by: DevoDave on December 12, 2004, 12:21:00 AM
You get my vote for Most Reasoned Response of the Week.
Well stated, and backing up with proof suggestions I made way earlier in the thread.
Maybe we can let this thread die a death now.
Post by: el_diablo on December 12, 2004, 05:17:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| This is a complete rip off! Hell, Aladdin chips are supposed to be cheap mod chips for modders to buy in bulk. You can get one for less that US$10 from most places, for example robotpig.com sells Aladdin XT Lite for US$8 in quantity of 30 chips. It is not even SmartXX v2, Xecuter 3 or Xenium Ice! I will only dare to charge about US$35 for a hard mod with Aladdin XT lite. |
i agree with that, but the guy did have to travel.
Post by: Master-Chief on December 12, 2004, 07:38:00 AM
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 12, 2004, 08:37:00 PM
| QUOTE (Musica @ Dec 12 2004, 07:55 AM) |
| Ive been following this topic since the beginning, and I think its totally unfair that you guys bitch about someone else work without even knowing the MODDER. My friend and I had our Xboxes done by the same guy you are back stabbing. What I have to say is that I think theres always 2 sides two a coin like there are two or more version to the same story. This Modder guy is actually a very nice guy. I dont think he intentionally mislead eminvil into believeing that he was gonna install a mod chip and then TSOP flash his Xbox. We got our xbox done about 8 months ago. He gave us 2 option: 1) TSOP flash for $80 and 2) Aladdin modchip for $120. He explained the difference between the two TWICE to make sure that we would make the right decision. I chose to TSOP falsh my xbox because it was the cheaper option and I did not need to use xbox live. He also installed Slayerz EvoX on my box. He spent half an hour going through every single function, showed me how to install games on the xbox and asked me to go through the same process onmy own. This guy was really professional. I am sure that eminvil received the same level of service. This Modder Guy also left his details on two stickers under my xbox. He asked me to call him if I had any troubles. He provide after sale support free of charge. He left the same stickers under eminvils xbox!!! A week later my friend got his xbox chipped. My friend chose the Aladdin so the guy installed the Aladdin for him, right in front of our eyes. It took him a bit longer. Again the Modder spent half an hour going through every single menu on evoX. Eventhough my friend already knew how to use it. He also gave us some hints/warnings such as keeping the xbox cool. I am sure the gave eminvil the same hints. Summary and conclusion: 1. eminvil might not have understood the difference between a TSOP flash and a Mod Chip and made the wrong decision, perhaps because he tends to spend money too carefully as you all have noticed him complaining about $AUD 80 for a service that was performed at his house. 2. $AUD 80 might seem excessive but this was at least over 6 if not 8 moths ago. Consider this: the guy had to travel 1 hour in each direction, which makes 2 hours travelling, spend $20 on petrol, pay $10 on the citylink tollway, thats $30 in expenses already, so basically eminvil got his TSOP for $50 only without considering the travel time, and without considering that it was 8 MONTHS AGO when prices were still high. The Modder would have installed a mod chip if eminvil payed extra and asked him to install a chip as he did for my friend. 3. To all those who contributed to this topic jumping to conclusion far too early remind yourself that theres always at least 2 version to a story. Most of you have been biased by eminvils version and made the wrong conclusion about this Very Nice and Professional Modder, who is in no way responsible for eminvils lack of understanding between a TSOP flash and a mod chip, and consequently his choice. 4. If the modder was to intentionally rip off eminvil he WOULD NOT have left all his details on eminvils xbox!!!!!! 5. To all guy Modders: have respect for one of your fellow modder, I am sure some of you would have had to deal with explaining the differences between different modding techniques, and making sure that people made the right choice, and how difficult it is to make someone understand when they are not ready to understand. 6. To eminvil: have some respect for your modder if you a MAN ENOUGH! I am sure that you cannot gather enough courage to call this guy is because you know that he provided a very good service. You cannot denied that eventhough it might have taken him 5 mintues to flash your xbox, he spent half an hour going through evox and showing you how to use the xbox as he did with me. I think that you yourself deep down know that you made the wrong choice and paid for a Flash instead of a Mod chip. Even if you are really conviced that that guy intentionally ripped you off, have some respect for YOURSELF! Find the courage to call him and speak to him personally instead of bitch about in the forum. Regards, Merry Xmas to you all and have a happy new year. Musica. |
hi musica, have read your post very carefully but things just dont match up.
1) how do you know we shared the same mod chip installer as alot put their details on stickers underneath the xbox to hide the screw holes.
2) this mod chip installer DID NOT offer me two options, either the TSOP flash for $80 or an ACTUAL modchip for $120.
3) he mentioned NOTHING about an TSOP, if he did i for one would have remembered and definitely asked what a TSOP flash was and what the difference was between a TSOP flash and an MODCHIP.
4) He DID NOT explain the difference between a TSOP flash and MODCHIP because a TSOP was NEVER mentioned. He knocked on the front door of my house and said, and i quote "Hi, did you ring earlier about your xbox being chipped". we said yes and let the bloke in. Still no mention of a TSOP.
5) This mod installer however did install slayers on my xbox, he showed me ONE thing with it. He loaded like 10 shitty games from the arcade era and said thats how you put on a game, this took him under 5minutes.
6) This mod installer gave me no hints or tips what so ever to keeping the xbox cool.
MODCHIPS INSTALLED his ad read, this means a MODCHIP for example X2 or aladdin etc. NOT a TSOP flash
It was performed 6 MONTHS AGO nearly to the day.
Modder DID NOT ask me whether i wanted a TSOP flash, why would he bother coming to my house after driving for an hour and spending $30 on petrol only to find i didnt want to pay $80 for a TSOP flash but instead $80 for a MOD CHIP.
Modder intentially ripped me off because what noobies go on to find what a TSOP flash is, how it works and is performed. And if they do what are they going to do?
and i am going to ring this guy, i was just trying to find ALL the information i could on TSOP flashing and modchips, so when ringing this mod chip installer i could back myself up.
regards,
eminvil_12
Post by: spacefrog on December 13, 2004, 03:48:00 AM
I read through this post from start to finish, and some posts just enrage me!
I got into xbox modding because of TSOP flashing. I've been modidng xboxes for about 18months and have done 150+ xboxes. And am using chips now cos of the 1.6's. Which I don't trust btw.
Once an Xbox has been tsop'd it's much more reliable. The onboard tsop will never let you down. Chips can come loose or start working intermittantly.
My rates, $80AUD for a TSOP mod, $90 for a chip. +$150 for 120gb +$210 200gb, Saves are backed up, hd is formated and loaded with apps. HD is 'fully loaded'. And I show 'em how to use all the software. I get plenty of repeat customers and referals because my work is good. And I always let people know that I am available to answer any questions they have.
If the guy said he's putting a modchip in then He lied or miscommunicated what he was doing. I sometimes explain to people what I'm doing. Most people don't care, as long as they can play games off the HDD, or burnt DVD's they are fine with that. Most of my clients are through word of mouth, So they know of the quality service that I provide. With new clients I talk with them to gauge their knowledge or use of the xbox and if it is apparant they aren't some housewife modding the xbox for their 12 year old son etc. Then I'll explain the TSOP thing to them. Xbox modding is very complicated, and I like to save my breath for explaining how to use evox, dvd2xbox and XBMC.
My opinion, If you feel he lied to you, then you should be mad. However I wouldnt go around there hastling him. My suggestion is that you ask him to put a switch in. since you have a 1.1 you can boot multiple bios's therefore having the same features as a chip! A deal is a deal in my book, the money has exchanged hands. You've been able to play burnt games, the xbox isn't on fire. Do you have any desire to use xbox live, or to re-flash your bios every 2 weeks?
People come to me to get a mod done. I'm not driving around melbourne to get your business! You're too young to drive (on your own) and pay for a car and keep it maintained. Driving from southeast melbourne to north western suburbs isn't fun!! I would tell you to mail it to me!! However if you are a nice guy I might make an exception. But from the animosity you have displayed in this thread....
My customers like the work I do and I would hope they don't take their xboxes to some1else to get extra work done. I just bought a 2nd hand xbox from a client, He had it soft modded from your guy 0423 *** 935, and then got a 120gb put in from another guy 0401 *** 054. (I'm assuming it's softmodded because it was before the evox m8_16 bios was out) This guy has shopped around, and he's recommending all his friends to me. So i guess your guy aint perfect, but don't go demmanding money from him or go round beating him up. $80 for a tsop mod at your home is a damn good price! if you're bitching about $$ I wouldnt think about a chip or xbox live subscriptions, broadband internet bills or a stack of original games to play on live
Post by: spacefrog on December 13, 2004, 04:09:00 AM
turns out its a 1.4/1.5 tsop'd
I'm pretty happy bout that. Cos I don't have to spend time & money chippin it.
and those top points look perfect!!
Post by: el_diablo on December 13, 2004, 11:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (spacefrog @ Dec 13 2004, 12:51 PM) |
| Once an Xbox has been tsop'd it's much more reliable. The onboard tsop will never let you down. Chips can come loose or start working intermittantly. |
not if they are quality chips and installed by someone good.
Post by: spacefrog on December 14, 2004, 12:06:00 AM
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 14, 2004, 06:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (spacefrog @ Dec 14 2004, 09:09 AM) |
| Quality chips and a good installer will can cost $180AUD, Most people aren't prepared to pay anything near that for a simple modification. |
$180, i dont think so mate. take a look at half the aussie modders here who mod xbox for under $100. one of them is el diablo i believe, correct me if im wrong. if you pay that much for a chip the guy is obviously ripping you off. and with todays chips where some are even SOLDERLESS you can get for probably around $100aud and simply install yourself, also the chips coming out these days are not 29 wires anymore. try 3 wires on some.
and im sure people dont want to pay $80-$100 for a TSOP flash, where they can do it themselves for, well almost nothing.
you can even get half decent chips for bloody $20aud with only 3 wire installation. lol these guys thinking you have to pay a whopping $180 for a modchip. thats outrageous here in australia.
spacefrog, are you from AUS?
Post by: spacefrog on December 15, 2004, 05:15:00 AM
Post by: 1nick9 on December 15, 2004, 07:24:00 AM
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 16, 2004, 02:21:00 AM
guys
Post by: 1nick9 on December 16, 2004, 03:51:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| and i do installs for less then $100 |
yea well i do them for $60 and yea let this thread die
cheers
Post by: eminvil_12 on December 16, 2004, 05:15:00 AM
eminvil_12
Post by: lordvader129 on December 16, 2004, 02:34:00 PM