Post by: phyl0x on July 26, 2003, 08:31:00 AM
Post by: Xeero on July 26, 2003, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: iLLNESS on July 26, 2003, 11:57:00 AM
tsop flashing is fine
u can do anything wiht a v1 or v1.1 tsop that u can do with a mod
u can have a switch to disable (boot retail bios)
u can flash protect it
u can multibios it
and u can have leds and whatnot to tell you allwhat your doing...
modchips are for lazy people who dont know what a best buy is and who are tooo much of a pussy to risk a tsop (which u really only fuckup if your a dumbass)
Post by: Blind_Samurai on July 26, 2003, 12:19:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| modchips are for lazy people who dont know what a best buy is and who are tooo much of a pussy to risk a tsop (which u really only fuckup if your a dumbass) |
Speak for yourself. Some people like modchips not because they are pussies (or afraid of something), but because they like to tinker with hardware and modify stuff. Calling people who install modchips "pussies" just makes you even worse than a pussy. And don't worry, everybody knows what a Best Buy is....
Post by: unsc1 on July 26, 2003, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: Hammy on July 26, 2003, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: LEDHaywire on July 26, 2003, 09:06:00 PM
==========================================================
15 watt solder gun /w fine tip - $7
0.32 dia silver bearing solder (lead free)- $2.50
Complex Bios Loader - Free
Slayers Evox Installer - Free
Blank CD-RW Disk - $2.00
Soldering Expirience
Not Being Afraid to Open You Xbox
Tutorial on flashing TSOP - Free
---------------------------------------------------------------
Total Cost =$11.50
Xecuter 2 Pro Chip - $59
0.32 dia silver bearing solder (lead free)- $2.50
15 watt solder gun /w fine tip - $7
Complex Bios Loader - Free
Slayers Evox Installer - Free
Blank CD-RW Disk - $2.00
Soldering Expirience
Not Being Afraid to Open You Xbox
Instructions on installing a Xecuter 2 Pro Chip - Free
---------------------------------------------------------------
Total Cost =$70.50 ($90 for that wimpy pogo pin adapter)
Post by: senator on July 26, 2003, 09:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (LEDHaywire @ Jul 27 2003, 06:06 AM) |
| Do The Math, TSOP is easier, cheaper and less worrysome as a modchip, modchips are nothing more than a rip off. If you wanna play Live, buy a seperate XBOX to do so. Only TSOP if you want to take advantage of your XBOX and its features that will probably never come out. ========================================================== 15 watt solder gun /w fine tip - $7 0.32 dia silver bearing solder (lead free)- $2.50 Complex Bios Loader - Free Slayers Evox Installer - Free Blank CD-RW Disk - $2.00 Soldering Expirience Not Being Afraid to Open You Xbox Tutorial on flashing TSOP - Free --------------------------------------------------------------- Total Cost =$11.50 Xecuter 2 Pro Chip - $59 0.32 dia silver bearing solder (lead free)- $2.50 15 watt solder gun /w fine tip - $7 Complex Bios Loader - Free Slayers Evox Installer - Free Blank CD-RW Disk - $2.00 Soldering Expirience Not Being Afraid to Open You Xbox Instructions on installing a Xecuter 2 Pro Chip - Free --------------------------------------------------------------- Total Cost =$70.50 ($90 for that wimpy pogo pin adapter) |
SORRY your numbers don't add up....
+ $327 Aus.. For another xbox for LIVE... and if a bad TSOP flash occurs...
So a Mod chip is still cheaper.............
TSOP flashing has been around almost from the start, But it was all possible after a MOD chip was developed.....
BUT it's the persons choice of what they do ????
And good luck on your decision...
Post by: smokeingit on July 27, 2003, 01:12:00 AM
if you solder the mod chip and you burn trace's.... 150us referb....
So i guess it is kinda smarter and cheaper to go with TSOP.
Hammy is a dumb ass that thinks people should pay for the chips. but not the games.
Post by: LEDHaywire on July 27, 2003, 02:23:00 AM
If you have abad tsop flash just pop in a Matrix chip and download the Complex reflash kit from the newsboards. Youll be back in business.
Post by: THEMASTERFUL1 on July 27, 2003, 08:46:00 AM
Post by: lordvader129 on July 27, 2003, 05:25:00 PM
(and to anyone who says TSOP flashes DO in fact have a 99.99% chance of killing your box, ive done 3 of them with no problems whatsoever, and trust me, i aint that lucky)
Post by: Xeero on July 27, 2003, 05:32:00 PM
To all the above hardcore anti-modchip 'I'm-a-TSOP-badass' posters:
I am very much not a pussy because I use a mod chip. I'm prudent enough to preserve the TSOP as is. I don't mind forking over a couple bucks for a high-quality product. Also, this 'math' isn't hurting me because I already own all the equipment necessary to solder. If you call paying for a modchip a rip-off, what to do you call owning a whole other Xbox for Live, as you had recommended?
Post by: smokeingit on July 27, 2003, 05:37:00 PM
Post by: Xeero on July 27, 2003, 05:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (smokeingit @ Jul 27 2003, 09:37 PM) |
| that last thing anyone would call Xeero is a pussy, shit i think you installed your enigmah is enough to say that you are not one. i have a mod chip because i just like it. do i need it? not at all. I support the scene as much as anyone else, if not more. any customer that ever goes to my house for a quick install can see that i have over 30 xbox games that i paid for. but Xeero no es un pussy. |
Ironically, I bought my Enigmah as a premod!
It was just because I was feeling lazy for a while and didn't feel like dealing with it. It wasn't for fear or lack of skill. I do PS2 installs, which are obviously harder than a 29-wire homebrew. I'll argue with you and say that if you're going to call me a pussy for any reason, it would have to be because I bought a freakin' premod. 
Anyway, I've since installed an X2 Pro and a Chameleon in my Xbox (granted, they're LPC and not homebrew), and have done dozens of Xbox and PS2 installs, so I hope that kind of rectifies my poor standing with God.
Post by: lordvader129 on July 27, 2003, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: Xeero on July 27, 2003, 06:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (lordvader129 @ Jul 27 2003, 09:54 PM) |
| i respect Xeero, i dont really see him says TSOP modders are stupid, lol, i dont consider myself a "TSOP badass" i juts did alot of research and alot of reading and found out that my wallet was empty, lol, so TSOP was looking might inexpensive at that point, lol, i did it, im happy, but if someone gave me a free 2.1 id install it tomorrow, lol |
So you're not a hardcore anti-modchip 'I'm-a-TSOP-badass' poster? No worries, then, I wasn't addressing you.
Post by: dawhiz on July 27, 2003, 11:13:00 PM
Post by: Pizza Pizz on July 28, 2003, 01:58:00 AM
TSOP or MOD - I use both and here's the examples:
ver 1.0 - usually a quick tsop is used on an old s/hand xbox rather than use a LPC mod on wires or clean the holes out for a header pin. I use just the single 1mb bios though. Done about 10 ver 1.0's - half of which was with Messiah-X before 007 came along
ver 1.1 - LPC mod on header pins is used, usually just a cheapmod 256kb bios as this will suffice for what most peeps want and will leave the option of a switch for Xbox LIVE
ver 1.2 and/or 1.3's - hmmm tricky one to say what may or may not be used before the thing is opened but my guides are:
Winbond bios - so far up to March 2003 were mod-able with cheap LPC mods so off the say 5 Winbond mobo's 4 were cheapmod-ed and 1 was tsop flashed with raincoat 0.5
ST bios - these are the ones I have tsop flashed as a number of peeps have reported these may only work with X2.2's so have used older raincoat 0.3 or more recently 007evox
In addition to all the above have fitted about 4 wired-in cheapermods/Xecutioner clones & 3 Open Bioxx mods to ver 1.0, 1.1 & 1.2 winbond green le xbox's - so not afraid to fitting wired-in mods either - takes me back to the messiah-x days
both mods and tsop are cool in my view but I always inform peeps that tsop means no LIVE but most don't seem to care about the LIVE option
I wouldn't say 1 is better than the other - though on 1.3's - you can save around £35 on a tsop flash as opposed to using a X2.2 lite but no live option so it's a matter of choice there.
Flashing tsop's is still risky but had at least 3 mobo's - 2 x 1.0 & a 1.3 that have had the LPC port nuke'd by failed mod attempts - in this case the tsop flash was perhaps a life-saving option for the xbox upgrade
However - like in the ver 1.1 & 1.2 Winbond xbox's - I prefer to use the header pin mod's. Only a 256kb cheapmod bios but does the job and provides a LIVE option as well as a nice hot-swap flash upgrade too
More importantly to all tsop peeps - I ALWAYS test any new/different 256kb bios on a cheapmod first - if I screw up then usually I can salvage/reflash with hot-swapping through evox - then if bios is ok then I may use on a tsop AFTERWARDS - but if i screw up then it's just £10 down the pan and not a mobo's tsop
(flash a tsop with a moody/wrong bios and you do have a little problem on your hands)
So I still use both methods and think they are both very good indeed - I don't really think the tsop is that much quicker really - if you decided to remove the mobo to work on it easily or you would have to anyway in the case of a ver 1.0 or 1.1 anyway.
Once the board is out say on a ver 1.1 then fitting the header pin & using the alt D0 is about the same time for me as a 007 evox tsop as I don't have to copy the game save and load game/save/flash
As far as the topic title says - tsop flashing is so easy......
Uhm before anyone says this n that is better - perhaps a massive thanks should go out to all the peeps that have helped with xbox development rather than just follow instructions/tutorials of tried and tested methods - that is hardly rocket science is it
And of course lets thanks the Xecuter peeps - if you don't use their mods then I dare say most are using the X2 bios in whatever upgrade method you use
Post by: assmonkey on July 28, 2003, 02:13:00 AM
when you have to buy memory card and the game
and if you don't have a modded box to get the save form
you got to buy that expensive megaX memory card
Post by: chilin_dude on July 28, 2003, 02:44:00 AM
| QUOTE (assmonkey @ Jul 28 2003, 11:13 AM) |
| how is tsop cheap(or no cost)? when you have to buy memory card and the game and if you don't have a modded box to get the save form you got to buy that expensive megaX memory card |
Rent the game out and then hot swap the hard drive?
Post by: vtex on July 28, 2003, 03:02:00 AM
Post by: Pizza Pizz on July 28, 2003, 03:27:00 AM
game 007 can be hired or bought s/hand for about £10 to £14
so for under £15 you got all ya need to flash tsop's
Xecuter 2.2 is around £35 delivered but have listed my pro' n cons for this and where & when I use them both
Post by: lordvader129 on July 28, 2003, 10:32:00 AM
modchippers, TSOP flashers, why cant we all just get along? isnt the point that we are all modding our xboxs? we may take different routes, but isnt it for the same effect? (moving speech, no?)
Post by: prime0196 on July 28, 2003, 10:48:00 AM
Another note: I've recovered from a few mistakes by using the game save exploit to FTP back in the box (when evox would not boot), so having that save game file can be a lifesaver.
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 28, 2003, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: warbeast on July 29, 2003, 11:27:00 AM
Post by: deadspider on July 29, 2003, 01:26:00 PM
ive had matrix first and that fuc... didnt work every time you moves the xbox.
TCOP is so easy to do and unless your a fuckhead using the wrong bios your cant mess up and if you do you can get a cheapmod for $8
and as for live i dont use it but if i did with 1.2/1.3 ill go with a cheapmod for $8 and not some modchip for 30 or even 50 bucks.
some people will say well WHAT IF the new bios is 512k well if there ever 512k for a bios and i need it to play games i will buy the cheapest mod i can find im sure SST chips make 512k chips aswell
Post by: RadiatedAnt on July 29, 2003, 05:09:00 PM
This thread is burning down with all the flaming....so much anger 
Post by: MikeHolliday on July 29, 2003, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 30, 2003, 02:47:00 AM
| QUOTE (phigmeta @ Jul 30 2003, 01:35 AM) |
| Now if you are going to Live with it ... EVEN though you CAN Go Live with a tsop flash and a switch ....i would not suggest it ... there are ways (in theory) that live could check to see if the tsop has been reflashed ( IN THEORY) |
well saying, that, IN THEORY M$ could discover any mod that you do to your xbox, not just TSOP flashing. Anything running a mod BIOS, or anything that adds files to your hdd that aren't supposed to be there, are reasons why any mod you do can't be 100% Live safe.
That's not to say that you can't do a lot of mods and such right now and get away with it on Live...and maybe many things they won't ever check for, like modstuff files on your hdd. but in theory, they could, and that's why no mod you do is foolproof for xbl.
unless you were to put a hdd switch that went between retail unchanged hdd for xbl, and a mod hdd with Phoenix that was used for only mod stuff...suppose you could get away with something like that and be pretty xbl proof...but a hdd switch is a pretty rare mod for most boxers...
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 30, 2003, 02:52:00 AM
| QUOTE (MikeHolliday @ Jul 30 2003, 01:20 AM) |
| I dont get it, how is it so easy? all the tutorials require linux, a memory card, action replay, 007, or other shenanegins, what are you people talking about? |
I don't have linux, and I did it...do have a memcard tho. no action replay, memcard's good. have 007. got a few shenanegins lying about...
like I said in an earlier post, it's largely a function of what you have at your disposal how easy or hard this is. I had mostly everything I needed to do this lying around to begin with, so for me, yeah, it was pretty easy. Easier than installing a solder chip, definitely, maybe harder than installing a pogo chip or doing a software exploit. but you know what they say about the reliability of pogo mods, and software exploits are very problem-ridden this early in their development...
Post by: phigmeta on July 30, 2003, 03:50:00 AM
But I still think that you may be better served by a mod chip if you are a XBL user .... and yes a hard drive switch would be a good example .... now if you had to implement said Harddrive switch .... but did not have a modchip ...... you would kinda be up a creek now wouldn't you ?
I mean its a lot easier to make an xbox appear 100% original that way yes ?
but then again we could go back and forth on this all day ....
Truth be told I don't use Live .... and probibly never will ......
and I prefer a TSOP solution myself (It just somehow seems cleaner to me than a modchip
Post by: hawgman on July 31, 2003, 10:49:00 AM
| QUOTE (black knight @ Jul 28 2003, 07:14 PM) |
| Probably a dumb ass question for most of you, but I am a newbie, and need an answer. I have searched all around this topic of TSOP flashing, and it seems to me the only way you can do it is with 007 auf, a memory card, and another xbox. Is it just me, or isn't it just easier to buy a modchip. I have neither 007, memory card, or a spare xbox. So answer me this...is there a way to flash the TSOP without any of the above mentioned items and I just missed it somewhere, or do I need all said items? I can get a cheapmod chip for $8-15, so even renting the game, borrowing an xbox, and buying a memory card are out of the question if this is true. |
all you have to have is a LAN, soldering iron solder and rent the AUF. you can download the rest. the memory card is not necessary its just easier with it. follow the tut by psyco and use the xlinux ISO. its pretty straightfoward. for me tsop was easier since I had lan soldering iron etc. only cost to me was $3 rental fee for auf.
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on July 31, 2003, 02:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (phigmeta @ Jul 30 2003, 07:50 AM) |
| But I still think that you may be better served by a mod chip if you are a XBL user .... and yes a hard drive switch would be a good example .... now if you had to implement said Harddrive switch .... but did not have a modchip ...... you would kinda be up a creek now wouldn't you ? I mean its a lot easier to make an xbox appear 100% original that way yes ? but then again we could go back and forth on this all day .... Truth be told I don't use Live .... and probibly never will ...... and I prefer a TSOP solution myself (It just somehow seems cleaner to me than a modchip |
yeah, with said hdd switch i mentioned in the previous post using the phoenix exploits on the non-xbl drive, not the TSOP flash, that way maintaining hardware integrity in the xbox. but yeah, I agree, a modchip would be a slightly better mod for xbl over TSOP in this given example, as you can make hardware mod evidence disappear easier.
however, I don't think in a normal circumstance, without hdd switches, there's much difference for trying xbl with either a modchip or TSOP flash, as long as you switch to your retail BIOS first. if you turn off your TSOP mod or chip mod (...mod...chip?), I find it difficult to swallow that M$ would target you more than people trying to play backups or cheats or mod bioses on xbl...i think their main mission is to prevent that, not go fuck with everybody who's ever opened their boxes but still play legit games with legit BIOSES on live. Still, you never know...never a 100% guarantee they wouldn't fuck with you.
yes, I also don't play xbl, and probably won't at my own house.
and lastly, I definitely agree with you on the last point. The TSOP flash seems somehow cleaner and more stylish than a modchip. Both have pros/cons, but my personal taste as well favors the TSOP flash.
Post by: .:**:. on July 31, 2003, 03:42:00 PM
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Post by: phigmeta on August 01, 2003, 01:48:00 AM
like Noen said..... i thing it comes down to personal choice....
Post by: DaOne on August 01, 2003, 03:26:00 AM
| QUOTE (warbeast @ Jul 30 2003, 12:46 AM) |
| i'll tell u why you should buy a mod chip because if u fuck up all of your tsop 100% you cant fix it the only way would be to take the chip off the m/b and program it not even the matrix tsops bios can fix a 100% bad flash beacause u need atleast 1x256k of the orginal bios left on the tsops and to call people with mod chips lazy is so fucking stupid its alot harder to fit a xecuter2pro then it is to flash your tsops but if you want to take the lazy way and flash your tsops and risk fucking it up its up to you |
Its amazing just how many people post incorrect information on this form its no wonder that so many are in the dark on this subject. You don't need to remove the tsop off the board to fix a bad flash. All that is required is to disable it and boot from a parallel interfaced bios. Next disable the bios rom you booted from and enable the onboard rom. Reflash and your done. I tend to agree that mod chips are a waste of money. I have been flashing the onboard bios since the first homebrew came out and not once have I had a unrecoverable problem. I do want to clear up some confusion. The only Xboxes that may "require" some sort of flash rom upgrade would be the new 1.3 Xboxes. This is only due to the limited capacity of the actual chip. All other Xboxes have the same features ass any other mod chip. I think its so funny how many people are so worried about a bad flash killing their Xbox. The truth is that you can setup the flash rom to have 4 separate banks just like a X2 pro so that you have multiple recovery options. You can also boot the xbox from a valid bank and then switch to the corrupted bank and try to reflash it. As far as live goes, at this time the onboard bios is the most undetectable because the chip itself has the correct vender ID as a unmodded Xbox due to the fact that it uses the original chip. If the bank switching is setup correctly it will still appear that it is original to live because it will copy the bank 4 times to look just like it did originally. All lpc mods can easily be detected by a simple scan of the LPC buss even when they are disabled. Also with a flashed tsop you won't have the problems of a wire coming loose or pogo pins that are not making a secure connection.
Post by: warbeast on August 11, 2003, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: warbeast on August 11, 2003, 11:34:00 PM
so you have split your tsops useing a switch to vcc-a18-earth
so ms will only see 1 half of your tsops "512k" thats all good but what do you think ms would do if they scaned your tsops and only saw 512k of it they will know a. you have moded it and b. you are hideing the other half!
and as for a a simple scan of the LPC buss i can take out my xecuter2 very easy as i use pin header install! i have a hdd switch so if i remove my mod switch to 8g hdd ms wont know shit!
Post by: smokeingit on August 12, 2003, 12:46:00 AM
let me clear up some of your miss guided information... let me fix that now for you
1.so ms will only see 1 half of your tsops "512k" thats all good but what do you think ms would do if they scaned your tsops and only saw 512k of it they will know a. you have moded it and b. you are hideing the other half!
Answer: so what? you can be booting up linux the LEGAL kernal and they cant do a thing... say they do scan (which they wont because it goes into privacy and they dont like lawsuits) and see your only using bank 1 and 2.... in theroy you can be using the rest for linux which is a total legal bios, you might want to read up on that.
2.and as for a a simple scan of the LPC buss i can take out my xecuter2 very easy as i use pin header install! i have a hdd switch so if i remove my mod switch to 8g hdd ms wont know shit!
again we go with the part that i like to say (lawsuit) if i am legaly going on there live software they really cant get me for anything. so they can scan all they want... until i screw up and leave the hack on.... they really dont have anything on me. or should i say us.
Post by: warbeast on August 12, 2003, 01:31:00 AM
as far as privacy ms are already checking are xboxs thats why we cant go on live with backups
Post by: adam71o on August 12, 2003, 06:44:00 AM
Post by: warbeast on August 12, 2003, 07:30:00 AM
so you can just keep it like this or if you still want to flash your tsops use evox. note if you flash a 1.3 your only be able to fit a 256k bios on it!
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on August 12, 2003, 08:06:00 AM
| QUOTE (adam71o @ Aug 12 2003, 10:44 AM) |
| and what I have read is that I shouldn't try to flash my TSOP (btw, WHAT DOES THAT STAND FOR?) with a 1.3 . |
TSOP = Thin Small Outline Package.
It refers to the physical chip on the mobo.
And you could flash your 1.3 TSOP, but I wouldn't recommend it. You only have a 256K TSOP, which would mean you could flash that, but then only have one BIOS. And a bad flash would be a bitch to recover from. Yeah, if you have a 1.2 or 1.3, I'd say it's definitely better to go with a modchip. But with 1.0 or 1.1, put in a switch and connect those jumpers and flash half your 1024K TSOP! Easier than any modchip installation I've ever done (excluding Matrix of course, which still won't stay in it's godforsaken proper alignment).
Post by: smokeingit on August 12, 2003, 10:11:00 AM
| QUOTE (warbeast @ Aug 12 2003, 02:18 AM) |
| lol so what? you can be booting up linux the LEGAL kernal and they cant do a thing... say they do scan (which they wont because it goes into privacy and they dont like lawsuits) and see your only using bank 1 and 2.... in theroy you can be using the rest for linux which is a total legal bios, you might want to read up on that. you have still taken apart your xbox and moded it! and as far a linux since when has ms said linux is ok again we go with the part that i like to say (lawsuit) if i am legaly going on there live software they really cant get me for anything. so they can scan all they want... until i screw up and leave the hack on.... they really dont have anything on me. or should i say us. again when did ms say its ok to flash you tsops with any bios even a linux only bios read the info on the dashboard lol the law does not matter you agreed to the terms set my MS which means you cant fuck around with your xbox at all you can use vcc-a18-earth and vcc-a19-earth to split them 4ways |
this one is really easy tool. so let me ask you where you stand, i rightfully purchased my xbox with my cash. i can beat the crap out of it with a hammer if i choose. the only thing i cant do is reverse engineer it, mod it to play priated games, or take it to a country like iraq.
so with this comment that you made.
"he law does not matter you agreed to the terms set my MS which means you cant fuck around with your xbox at all"
your telling me that everyone that modded there system by opening it broke the law? well shit, why have there be no arrests?
again you dont know the law so you really are talking out of your ass in this issue. software is a different issue. no one owns software, even if you pay for the CD they pretty much only let you borrow the key until MS decides to take it back. and i have fully read there agrements and i think that sucks
Post by: warbeast on August 12, 2003, 12:09:00 PM
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on August 12, 2003, 12:25:00 PM
but seriously folks, what's the real debate here? Is there really any question that you can potentially be banned by modding your xbox and going on live?
I thought that much was clear by now. I guess the debate is now how much you can cover your tracks with either TSOP modding vs modchipping? Or is the topic of discussion even related to that any more?
Maybe it's all about the love of the flames now...oh well, i didn't join x-s for nuthin...
Post by: smokeingit on August 12, 2003, 12:34:00 PM
so let me dumb it up for you.
half tosp hacked and other half not, and you use none hacked tsop to go on live = no ban
use the other half to go online OR use a modchip = ban
this is the comment that you used missy
"again when did ms say its ok to flash you tsops with any bios even a linux only bios read the info on the dashboard lol
the law does not matter you agreed to the terms set my MS which means you cant fuck around with your xbox at all"
Read your own post again. sucks to be you =)
Post by: warbeast on August 12, 2003, 01:09:00 PM
as for smokeingit
yes if you boot with a normal bios your ok for live my point was about the post saying scaning your lpc and tops
my point was if they do some how scan your tsops if they see a linux or any other bios other then the default bios they can ban you not send you to jail but BAN you if you use a mod and take it out they will see a 100% default tsops and every thing will be ok!!
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on August 12, 2003, 01:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (warbeast @ Aug 12 2003, 05:03 PM) |
| if you flash your tsops you can fix a mistake if you dont fuck the hole tsops what if say you fucked half your tsops then booted to the good half but made a MISTAKE and didnt flick the switch and flash the only good half with a bad bios???????? |
I suppose one could do this, but if one did, one would have more serious problems to be concerned with than the state of one's xbox....like the fact that one has Down Syndrome or some shit that made one do this in the first place.
best join the special olympics in this case, and not worry about the box for awhile until they come out with Barney the Dinosaur the Game for Xbox.or maybe the moderators can create a new section for 'special' modders and their 'special' mistakes?
oh god....i'm so going to hell....
Post by: warbeast on August 12, 2003, 01:38:00 PM
Post by: warbeast on August 12, 2003, 01:41:00 PM
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on August 12, 2003, 01:49:00 PM
Post by: warbeast on August 12, 2003, 02:54:00 PM
and if you want to go into a flame war i'm up for it but just so everyone knows i did post facts about xbox live and after a post about xboxlive scanning the lpc to stop mods in the future i replyed to say its just as easy to scan the tsops!!!!
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on August 12, 2003, 03:29:00 PM
Anyway, that would be really funny, to get that finger, all for me, when no insult was given in the first place. Because that would give me an excuse to really behave like an ass. But just in case it wasn't for me, I'll not start being an ass just yet.
In closing, to get back to topic a bit, I'd say that the best mod, if you want to fuck around with Live, would be a removable chip with a switchable hdd setup, one being an unaltered retail drive (The same thing applies here, if you are retarded you could log on with a mod bios and get banned, just for the record). However, I have no interest in Live, and I no weetahded (that I know of) so it would be really difficult for me to hose all of my switched TSOP.
next please.
Post by: warbeast on August 12, 2003, 05:04:00 PM
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on August 12, 2003, 05:48:00 PM
Post by: Exobex on August 13, 2003, 10:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (warbeast @ Aug 12 2003, 10:54 PM) |
| first off takeing the piss out of disabled people is curel! i think even disabled people have better sence then flashing there tsops and if you want to go into a flame war i'm up for it but just so everyone knows i did post facts about xbox live and after a post about xboxlive scanning the lpc to stop mods in the future i replyed to say its just as easy to scan the tsops!!!! |
They don't have more sense, it's just that nobody'd trust them with a Torx driver and a soldering iron!
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on August 13, 2003, 10:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (warbeast @ Aug 12 2003, 10:28 PM) |
| also ill just like to clear a few things up incase we get a repeat i in know way said ms are scanning xbox tsops or the lpc and i never said they will ban you at this point in time one thing i have learned is not to talk about what you feel ms will do only ms know this. some think nothing will happen some think ms will nuke there xbox as long. as they dont nuke my xbox while i'm on castle wolfenstein i dont care! |
I would agree on this point. I'd say it's fairly safe to play xbl with a switched TSOP, using the retail half. There would be little point to M$ fucking with people playing legit games with legit BIOSes on xbl, their primary concern is that of people trying to cheat, using a mod BIOS, or backup games on xbl. However, just because they shouldn't fuck with you doesn't mean they won't. The only foolproof setup you can conjure, as I see it, would be one that removes all evidence of modding before you go on xbl...i.e., ,modchip completely removed and original retail hdd with no mod files in place. Of course, I don't know the technical aspects of scanning a switched TSOP. But it seems like it would be possible to see a size change or something if they really wanted to fuck with you hard.
personally, I don't care at all about having xbl on my own system. I think it's a neat concept and all, but my impression of it was that it sucks. Lots of extra stuff for games....sure, if you feel like forking over more dough. let's see you get nude volleyball from xbl, or flamethrowers for Halo. Hell, you can't even play Halo on xbl, yet you can play it on XBConnect. What kind of a sick joke is that?!
Post by: n00bxbox on August 20, 2003, 11:30:00 AM
Post by: Noilegnave Siseneg Noen on August 20, 2003, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: .:**:. on August 20, 2003, 01:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (n00bxbox @ Aug 20 2003, 08:30 PM) |
| OH AND XBOX LIVE IS ONLY FOR RICH MILLIONAIRE FAGGOTS WHO CAN AFFORD BROAD BAND. NOBODY CAN AFFORD BROADBAND, AND 56K IS THE WAY TO GO. CHEAPSKATES ARE AWESOME AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY TO SPEND ARE FAGGOTS WHO SHOULD BURN IN HELL |
I would say 99% of use on this site have broadband.
Its only $49.99 a month.
heh so dumb...
Post by: .:**:. on August 20, 2003, 03:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (warbeast @ Aug 20 2003, 11:11 PM) |
| OH AND XBOX LIVE IS ONLY FOR RICH MILLIONAIRE FAGGOTS WHO CAN AFFORD BROAD BAND. NOBODY CAN AFFORD BROADBAND, AND 56K IS THE WAY TO GO. CHEAPSKATES ARE AWESOME AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE MONEY TO SPEND ARE FAGGOTS WHO SHOULD BURN IN HELL i have 1mb cable and i dont pay a penny lol |
Damn you and your T1 modem...
Post by: n00bxbox on August 21, 2003, 02:21:00 PM
and since most people dont have jobs and money is about as rare as ENIACs...
basically if i dont have something, it sucks untill i get it.