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Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Elf_Sniper on February 09, 2005, 02:23:00 PM
can you be more specific? Front page of what?
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: acemilo on February 09, 2005, 03:52:00 PM
They are fakes as in someone reverse engineered them and reproduced them, and are selling them to shops as original xeniums.  IE you go on a site wanting to buy a xenium, you think its original and install it.  It may work for a while, but once you try to update the os or reflash the bios, or even after just a little while the chip will die on you.
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Artifex on February 09, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
The term "reverse engineering" doesnt really apply very well in this case.  No actual reverse engineering was done.  Reverse engineering requires quite a substantial amount of intellegence, specilized knowledge, and work, three things that these people did NOT apply.  They simply duplicated (read "stole") the design from original chips, and began producing copies with lower quality componentry and manufacturing.  From my experience, 75% of these knockoff chips don't have the stability to last even a month on their own, without ACT killing them.  Needless to say, the 25% that would make it that long get killed by ACT anyways.

Reverse engineering is a noble and skillfull art, whereby one analyzes an existing product in order to create a new, beter product.  (Such as the reverse engineering of the Xbox architechture in order to produce (forward engineer) a 4th generation modchip with a full OS.)  The clowns who produce these chips  are nothing more then theives, who dont have enough talent to forward engineer a design of their own, let alone reverse engineer anything.

--Artifex
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: bishop05 on February 09, 2005, 04:23:00 PM
This would sound like a dumb question what exactly is ACT?   uhh.gif
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: thebroken on February 09, 2005, 06:15:00 PM
QUOTE(bishop05 @ Feb 9 2005, 04:29 PM)
This would sound like a dumb question what exactly is ACT?   uhh.gif
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: tiger on February 10, 2005, 01:45:00 AM
Buying a clone is just asking for trouble.

If you where sold a fake/clone, the best thing to do is send it back ASAP

Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: bishop05 on February 10, 2005, 08:23:00 AM
QUOTE(thebroken @ Feb 9 2005, 08:21 PM)
ACT= Anti Clon Technology
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Artifex on February 10, 2005, 12:02:00 PM
QUOTE(bishop05 @ Feb 10 2005, 03:29 PM)
I know that, but is it just an acronym or does ACT really makes the chip self Destruct?
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Artifex on February 10, 2005, 12:03:00 PM
QUOTE(spyvy @ Feb 10 2005, 05:00 PM)
dont think  that an oem chip is fine i had 2 ice chips fry and they were the real thing / So dont be fooled by the real thing they die also. Im awaiting for # 3 to die after 3 r 4 weeks the just crap out .
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Elf_Sniper on February 10, 2005, 06:46:00 PM
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Original Xodus chips are rock solid, and have the lowest return rate, overall, of any chip currently on the market.... by a vast margin.


That does make me feel better smile.gif

But how long are your warranties? Is it Lifetime? That'd be sweet.
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on February 11, 2005, 10:33:00 AM
QUOTE(Artifex @ Feb 10 2005, 02:08 PM)
It really does make the chip self destruct.  That's kind of the point.

--Artifex



QUOTE(TeamXodus)
ACT 2 is active against all non genuine product and is now being triggered at random. It is our right to protect our OS and our customers who have purchased original product and we will exercise that right at will.


Now that sounds right up there with the MPAA, RIAA & Micro$oft. The MPAA & RIAA
want to destroy P2P users computers. Micro$oft has its live bans because it doesn't want you to have a modchip or linux installed on their product.

Think about it a minute. I don't condone the makers of the knockoff chips. But aren't they (TeamXodus) starting to sound and act like "the man"?

I remember when Metalica was into bootlegs and hated "the man". Then one day they became "the man".

Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Elf_Sniper on February 11, 2005, 11:04:00 AM
QUOTE
Now that sounds right up there with the MPAA, RIAA & Micro$oft. The MPAA & RIAA
want to destroy P2P users computers. Micro$oft has its live bans because it doesn't want you to have a modchip or linux installed on their product.
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So what off it does? THe difference is TeamXodus doesn't make nearly as much money as MS. Do you let people steal money from you? If so, where do you live? I need some right about now.

They do this so people don't steal from them. It's like an alarm system. Every time someone gets an alarm system, do you bag on them talking about how they are like MS and the RIAA too?

"You can't ban me from your house for stealing. You think you're the big man aren't you!"

LOL.
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: bikehorn on February 11, 2005, 11:21:00 AM
QUOTE(Elf_Sniper @ Feb 11 2005, 06:10 PM)
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Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Wong Hung Lo on February 11, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
QUOTE(Elf_Sniper @ Feb 11 2005, 01:10 PM)
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Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Elf_Sniper on February 11, 2005, 02:32:00 PM
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I think that you are missing the point. Also I think that the people who made the knockoff chips are the ones that stole from TeamXodus. Not the poor SOBs that bought one. Maybe they should go after the people that made and sold the knockoffs instead.


That's why TeamXodus says (right on their front page) that they will help somebody get their money back from a fake modchip seller that sold them a clone. That way, they can use that money to get a REAL Xenium.

They don't have a real way to go head on against these fakers, because the sites only supply them, it is generally unknown who actually produces these clones, so ACT is their only defense, and with ACT, little to no fakes/clones will be sold, putting them out of business. So the only way to hit these fakers "head on" is well, to not hit them head on and be subtle, which is exactly what TeamXodus is doing smile.gif
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: #XboxBoy# on February 11, 2005, 07:39:00 PM
im not say that it is them but isnt it possible the ozxchip sold the plans or them self are making them or not relating to ozxchip people that clone the blue xenuim all they really need is a white pcb instead not to much changed.
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Artifex on February 12, 2005, 02:51:00 AM
QUOTE(#XboxBoy# @ Feb 12 2005, 02:45 AM)
im not say that it is them but isnt it possible the ozxchip sold the plans or them self are making them or not relating to ozxchip people that clone the blue xenuim all they really need is a white pcb instead not to much changed.
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Elf_Sniper on February 12, 2005, 08:43:00 AM
If TeamXodus did all of the technical stuff, what did Ozxchip people do? (just wondering) just eye candy to get their previous chip customers to buy Xenium?

I don't recall ever seeing an Ozxchip, but I haven't been in the xbox scene for long, so I guess my viewpoint doesn't matter when t comes to Ozxchips. OzXodus broke up by the time I got into the scene.
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Gumba on February 12, 2005, 11:16:00 AM
They made cheapmods called OzXchips.
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: Gumba on February 12, 2005, 02:01:00 PM
QUOTE(#XboxBoy# @ Feb 12 2005, 06:26 PM)
yep and the teamed up with xodus to make ozxodus. and what did ozxchip do?
Title: Fakes Or Clones
Post by: #XboxBoy# on February 12, 2005, 02:14:00 PM
QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 12 2005, 09:07 PM)
They made cheapmods called OzXchips wink.gif