Post by: Master-Chief on December 15, 2004, 04:33:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Recent mails from some consumers and retailers asking questions regarding our Xenium OS have prompted us to put together a series of quick, informative facts for all of you regarding key features in Xenium OS. We have decided to hold a twelve days of Xmas series which will feature updates, competitions and key facts for all of our loyal Xenium OS owners and those that are still to become part of our elite group. The purpose is to enlighten both dedicated users and newbies on why our product is in a class of its own and is the best product on the market today. Just yesterday a retailer wrote to us and was amazed that Xenium can do Web Flashing! Our answer was simple, proud and confident. Of course it can. Xenium does it all and a whole lot more! HARD FACT NUMBER 1. XENIUM DRIVES YOU HOME THIS CHRISTMAS First of all, a clear and distinct difference between Xenium and other lesser chips is that Xenium has a proprietary dedicated OS and is therefore not subject to illegal and extremely cumbersome and time consuming downloads, flashes and cd burning, which are required to make the chip work in the first place. With a dedicated OS, Xenium installs in seconds and works immediately, unlike others that scam the public into believing they are buying a fully functional and working unit straight out the box. For the many newbies out there this is a very important fact that needs to be highlighted. Let us paint it a little more clearly for you. Would you buy a BMW X3 with no engine? You can put all the fancy accessories you want in and around the vehicle to try and sell it but no engine is no engine. Got it? Not yet? Ok a little more clearly. OTHERS:(Just to get started) Install, search through underground scene for an OS after learning the ins and outs of IRC, get into illegal sites and choose a hidden OS (one that is not a virus), download to PC, burn a cd (if you have no CDRW go out and get one), transfer to Xbox and pray like hell it accepts the file, flash the OS without destroying the chip. MAYBE NOW YOUR CHIP MIGHT WORK XENIUM: Install, it works. Done. We are proud that we deliver what we promise, the complete package. All our features are onboard and fully functional immediately. No mess. No fuss. Stay tuned for more in our series. |
This seems very promising and TeamXodus has been promising in the past. What are your guys' thoughts on this?
Post by: imthewa1rus on December 15, 2004, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: Kazaki on December 15, 2004, 05:25:00 PM
But I also respect the other chips. I respect someones wish to buy an Xecuter or a SmartXX or a X-Bit. The only purchase choice I denounce is the X-Chip. However, when the creater of the product steps out and continues to publicize material that clearly denounces every chip maker out there other then itself, it starts to seem very immature. Very arrogant.
Very disrespectful.
Just say what you have to say without all the self-satisfaction and high-horse riding, please. You don't have to praise the other makers, but you shouldn't continue to bash them in every post you make.
The Xodus team has made strides in the scene. But others were before it, and I feel they deserve some honor. I'm starting to get sick at the attitude displayed in these articles, they're not even secret jabs. Please reconsider the approach taken when writing these for viewing by the general audience of the scene, and not just Xodus readers.
Post by: anbe on December 15, 2004, 05:30:00 PM
These statements from teamxodus really does get old fast, it only harms themself imo since the new stuff gets lost with the bashing of the competitor chips.
Post by: thebroken on December 15, 2004, 05:38:00 PM
thebroken
Post by: KLoNe on December 15, 2004, 06:05:00 PM
You have just made me buy a X3 instead of your Ego-Driven Xenium.
Post by: el_diablo on December 15, 2004, 06:17:00 PM
like when they said they were gods because there os worked in a 1.6 without modification to the code.
of course it worked! the 1.6 was a bios issue not an os issue!!! stupid people!
and now they talk about having to go in and out of irc and etc to get files and etc, but you have to if you want a bios to make your chip worth anything!
imo there internet access should be cut off or they should start contributing to the scene instead of sitting back and doing nothing but posting this bs!
Post by: mrjkwik on December 15, 2004, 06:29:00 PM
its advertising people. coke says they are better than pepsi, pepsi says they are better than coke. subway says they are better than mcdonalds. on and on.
look at car manufacture commercials. some how they are all "best in class". amazing isnt it.
and all the chip makers have their own egos to float. smartxx was saying how great they were just a month ago after the rash of bans. xecuter has always said they are the best.
big deal, its annoying, so are the 20 minutes of other commercials you watch during any hour long program.
c'mon guys, of course its all ridiculous, but sometimes the "high road" isnt the money road.
if you really wanna x3, go ahead. i've been to their forums. enjoy dealing with xecuter. i'd rather deal with a bit of an ego here rather than go there and be cussed at and berrated by him. just like anything else in life, its all a game.
Post by: mdfirefighter on December 15, 2004, 06:35:00 PM
MDFF
Post by: Artifex on December 15, 2004, 06:39:00 PM
| QUOTE (el_diablo @ Dec 16 2004, 03:20 AM) |
| team xodus have really been annoying lately. like when they said they were gods because there os worked in a 1.6 without modification to the code. of course it worked! the 1.6 was a bios issue not an os issue!!! stupid people! and now they talk about having to go in and out of irc and etc to get files and etc, but you have to if you want a bios to make your chip worth anything! imo there internet access should be cut off or they should start contributing to the scene instead of sitting back and doing nothing but posting this bs! |
I don't intend to respond to any of the usual "they've really gone too far this time" posts which inevitably follow any post we make which takes a stance against our competitors... (and what other stance are we to be expected to take?)
However... Being the technical guy of teamxodus, I will respond to a technical statement you made here....
The "problem" with 1.6b boxes was a small difference in ram bus timings, specifically a timing configuration bit which is set by the xcodes. Xcodes, mind you, are used by ANY firmware booting on the box, whether it be an MS bios, cromwell, or an embedded OS. During development of XeniumOS 2.0, we had the foresight to actually investigate the significance of the various configuration bits set in the xcodes, and tried to determine the most flexible and reliable values for those bits. One of these bits was this memory timing configuration, hence why our OS was not affected by the change.
We had fixed the problem before it was a problem.
If the competitor had taken the time to do the same, they also wouldn't have had a single problem with their cromwell based firmware. The didnt have a problem with their MS based firmware because MS had already taken the time for them.
Anyways, just thought I'd clarify.
--Artifex
Post by: Artifex on December 15, 2004, 06:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (el_diablo @ Dec 16 2004, 03:35 AM) |
| but they dont contribute to the scene like some of the other teams. they just post a whole bunch of bs thats why im annoyed |
Dont contribute to the scene? I think perhaps you should look at my history of contributions, alone....
from the xbox-linux team, to BiCoE, to PBL, to xbox-windows... and quite a few other things which didnt even end up being released under my name directly....
The other members of the team have similar backgrounds....
Not to mention the support and help we've given to other teams in their work and development....
And what has a single member of the other major competitor really contributed? Some illegal bioses that MS developed, and they put their name on? I'm not impressed....
Perhaps you'd like to rethink that statement?
--Artifex
Post by: Artifex on December 15, 2004, 06:56:00 PM
| QUOTE (el_diablo @ Dec 16 2004, 03:38 AM) |
mmm... vineger  the chips are the same, but team xecuter acctually make their own bios and make add ons for their chip. even smartxx made the lpc rebuild for their chip. what did team xodus do? nothing.. |
The same..... except for one is poorly designed (from an electrical engineer's standpoint), and poorly planned (from a legal standpoint), and poorly supported (from a users standpoint).....
Oh, I suppose they do illegally make their own trivial changes into MS's firmware code.....
While we, instead of being lazy and just using MS's, wrote our OWN firmware code which we maintain and distribute legally and openly..... But I guess that's "nothing"? How about you take over the firmware development then? Hope you like writing lots driver code..... for weeks on end.....
--Artifex
Post by: flbeserk on December 15, 2004, 06:58:00 PM
Post by: IvanK on December 15, 2004, 07:12:00 PM
OTHERS:(Just to get started)
Install, search through underground scene for an OS after learning the ins and outs of IRC, get into illegal sites and choose a hidden OS (one that is not a virus), download to PC, burn a cd (if you have no CDRW go out and get one), transfer to Xbox and pray like hell it accepts the file, flash the OS without destroying the chip. MAYBE NOW YOUR CHIP MIGHT WORK
XENIUM:
Install, it works. Done.
Oh no, you mean I can't actually *do* anything useful but look at this red screen? @#$! Okay... I guess I have to search through underground scene for an OS after learning the ins and outs of IRC, get into illegal sites and choose a hidden OS (one that is not a virus), download to PC, ftp over to chip and set it up to be a bootable bios.
Okay, so maybe that's a *little* easier than the X3, but considering how easy it was to flash my X3 over a wireless network by using Flashbios 3.0.0's http flashing mechanism, I think I knocked a couple steps off so it's debatable.
Basically, I think the post was misleading. I have no problem with Xenium as a product, and have installed several for others, but I'm all about competing on concrete merits of the product and from this point forward will actively steer potential buyers away from Xodus.
BTW, I look at both the Xecuter forum on their site and the Xodus form on Xodus's site. I find the community over at Xecuter's site to be far more friendly and helpful.
Post by: IvanK on December 15, 2004, 07:14:00 PM
OTHERS:(Just to get started)
Install, search through underground scene for an OS after learning the ins and outs of IRC, get into illegal sites and choose a hidden OS (one that is not a virus), download to PC, burn a cd (if you have no CDRW go out and get one), transfer to Xbox and pray like hell it accepts the file, flash the OS without destroying the chip. MAYBE NOW YOUR CHIP MIGHT WORK
XENIUM:
Install, it works. Done.
Oh no, you mean I can't actually *do* anything useful but look at this red screen? @#$! Okay... I guess I have to search through underground scene for an OS after learning the ins and outs of IRC, get into illegal sites and choose a hidden OS (one that is not a virus), download to PC, ftp over to chip and set it up to be a bootable bios.
Okay, so maybe that's a *little* easier than the X3, but considering how easy it was to flash my X3 over a wireless network by using Flashbios 3.0.0's http flashing mechanism, I think I knocked a couple steps off so it's debatable.
Basically, I think the post was misleading. I have no problem with Xenium as a product, and have installed several for others, but I'm all about competing on concrete merits of the product and from this point forward will actively steer potential buyers away from Xodus.
Post by: el_diablo on December 15, 2004, 08:36:00 PM
| QUOTE (Kev052683 @ Dec 16 2004, 04:58 AM) |
| And FlashBIOS isn't distributed legally? I guess being on the chip when it ships means it's illegal? |
you can download it from their site. if it was illegal it wouldnt be there...
ivank you double posted
and i agree doesnt matter how legal your chip and software is, its useless without a bios
Post by: heinrich on December 15, 2004, 08:43:00 PM
Post by: mrjkwik on December 15, 2004, 08:49:00 PM
dont think any other chip maker hasnt made disparaging comments about other chip makers? then obviously you dont read all press releases. every chip maker claims to be better than the next guy. its called business. its called advertising. and its called being proud of your own product.
the whole question of mod chipping your xbox in general, no matter what you use, is a "gray area". the only thing that makes it a sure thing that your illegal is having pirated material or programs/utilities/ect built with ms code.
i'm not slamming the x3, i'm not slamming the smartxx chip either. as far as i'm concerned, for 75% of the scene 95% of the time all the chip does is let us ftp and play backups, or xbmc for those fans. all the os differences (if the chip has one) or utilities, pretty lights, buttons, blah blah whatever features, go unused and needed. its all just to lure in more people.
so, unless you have a chip, that has a legal os, you install a legal bios, and have no pirated material (i include backups cuz thats in that gray area), and any apps built with ms code, its all bs. barely any person on this scene has a completely legal modded box.
Post by: IvanK on December 15, 2004, 09:37:00 PM
I wanted to edit one of them down to nothing, but for some reason I don't get the edit button like I should.Anyway, hype and advertising is all good as long as at the end of the day it's not overtly dishonest. Giving your consumers your perspective is different from lying to them about the benefits of your product over your competitors. Burger King can say they have more beef in their Whopper versus the Big Mac because it's true. Burger King can say Big Macs may make you fat if you eat too many, which is also true. They can omit the fact that Whoppers will make you fat. What they *can't* do is say that *only* Big Macs will make you fat or that somehow Whoppers cure cancer.
(And yes, I worked for McD for 3 years in High School back in the day, so I know the relative meat quantities.)
What's not true is to say that the Xenium OS is all users will ever need to run *all* of their software needs. Users will *still* need a bios (unless we're operating under the assumption that all users will be running Linux) so the blurb wasn't particularly forthright. If we're going to compare base functionality, we might as well compare XeniumOS versus FlashBios 3.0.3. Sure, Xenium has a LOT more features than flashbios, but at the end of the day both will be used to load illegal bioses to be able to run unsigned XDK compiled code. Since I think both can flash over a network, and both can flash off of the hard drive or burnt media, that piece is pretty much even in my book.
Now, if we were going to focus our advertising *hint* *hint* on legitimate features that stand alone in the field, why not boast about the hard drive copying functionality? Upgrade your hard drive in a breeze without losing any of your important game saves?
This post has not been reviewed by the FDA and is not intended to treat or cure any known disease.
(For some reason I can edit this @#$! post, but not the ones above...)
Post by: nagmine on December 16, 2004, 01:34:00 AM
Post by: CrayZEE on December 16, 2004, 01:58:00 AM
improovement, if you remove the self-back-patting, their points are actually true...
I mean, i can install a Xenium very quickly using an USB stick and network, it's
such an ease, i have it done within 1minute, OS -> bios flash -> automatic eeprom
backup -> copy dash to C
This is all done within 1-2 minutes, i don't see other modchips comfort me to this
extent of ease of installation, i dont waste a single CD-R / DVD-R, it just works,
right off the bat.
That's something no other chip does, and believe me, when you mod xbox's for
other people , this chip is truly the way to go. Other chips dont come with these
features..
And for the newbies, it has all it needs, plus i know Xodus being quiet for a while
just makes something come out we all like sooner or later, whatever it is.
The company so far only dissapointed me once, when i look up other companies
who made up stuff, or lied to make their product look better, i think Xodus is the
far lesser evil in this scene. And i know the coders of XOS put hell of a time into
the OS, so cut them some slack, they did their job good so far, and i want to see
them keep on this track and improoving.
So far no other mod that calls itself 4th Generation satisfied my needs as much
as a Xenium. Let's see what they will do next, and let their doings talk for them...
Post by: peerx on December 16, 2004, 02:54:00 AM
Post by: peerx on December 16, 2004, 02:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (CrayZEE @ Dec 16 2004, 11:01 AM) |
| Although Xodus has problems with PR, and believe me, there is a lot of space of improovement, if you remove the self-back-patting, their points are actually true... I mean, i can install a Xenium very quickly using an USB stick and network, it's such an ease, i have it done within 1minute, OS -> bios flash -> automatic eeprom backup -> copy dash to C This is all done within 1-2 minutes, i don't see other modchips comfort me to this extent of ease of installation, i dont waste a single CD-R / DVD-R, it just works, right off the bat. That's something no other chip does, and believe me, when you mod xbox's for other people , this chip is truly the way to go. Other chips dont come with these features.. And for the newbies, it has all it needs, plus i know Xodus being quiet for a while just makes something come out we all like sooner or later, whatever it is. The company so far only dissapointed me once, when i look up other companies who made up stuff, or lied to make their product look better, i think Xodus is the far lesser evil in this scene. And i know the coders of XOS put hell of a time into the OS, so cut them some slack, they did their job good so far, and i want to see them keep on this track and improoving. So far no other mod that calls itself 4th Generation satisfied my needs as much as a Xenium. Let's see what they will do next, and let their doings talk for them... |
Dude -- Xecuter3's cromwell bios has Network Flash (all legal) -- and I don't waste a single CD-R doing that now, it's simple. Why say no other chip has that when they do? SmartXX / Xodus / Xecuter all have those features. Shush (k thx).
Post by: Harsesis on December 16, 2004, 03:33:00 AM
Seems like your too busy promoting your product instead of concentrating on your user base.
Post by: CrayZEE on December 16, 2004, 03:49:00 AM
PR for x-mas, so i let it go
But yaw, a new OS with some bugfixes, and the maybe new feats, wooohooo
Post by: Artifex on December 16, 2004, 04:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (peerx @ Dec 16 2004, 11:57 AM) |
| Hrmmm...oh wait, XODUS doesn't even ATTEMPT at an illegal bios. Why not? Well?... |
Uhm... because it's illegal?
Personally, I'd like to stay out of jail, and away from hefty fines... thx.
Aside from that, it's also immoral.... as an embedded systems developer, I'm well aware of the MASSIVE efforts, headaches, and WORK involved in writing a firmware, and I respect what the developers at MS have done with their OS too much to just steal it from them.
Aside from that, it's also downright lazy. I'm not one for taking the easy way out.... I have more pride then that.
Anyways... you're right... the silly flame posting back and forth is rather pointless, and is, in fact, against the rules of the forum. Keep it clean, now, or this thread will be closed.
--Artifex
Post by: Artifex on December 16, 2004, 04:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (Harsesis @ Dec 16 2004, 12:36 PM) |
| Enough with the talk. Look after your existing customers, update your OS! Give us cool stuff to use. Seems like your too busy promoting your product instead of concentrating on your user base. |
Ask and ye shall receive.....
--Artifex
Post by: peerx on December 16, 2004, 04:55:00 AM
Post by: mdfirefighter on December 16, 2004, 05:23:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Xenium has a proprietary dedicated OS and is therefore not subject to illegal and extremely cumbersome and time consuming downloads, flashes and cd burning, which are required to make the chip work in the first place |
True!
| QUOTE |
| With a dedicated OS, Xenium installs in seconds and works immediately, unlike others that scam the public into believing they are buying a fully functional and working unit straight out the box. |
True!
| QUOTE |
OTHERS:(Just to get started) Install, search through underground scene for an OS after learning the ins and outs of IRC, get into illegal sites and choose a hidden OS (one that is not a virus), download to PC, burn a cd (if you have no CDRW go out and get one), transfer to Xbox and pray like hell it accepts the file, flash the OS without destroying the chip. MAYBE NOW YOUR CHIP MIGHT WORK |
Very true!
| QUOTE |
XENIUM: Install, it works. Done. |
Also True!
So lets do a short recap for those who either skimmed or just didn't read at all and just came here to flame. Now, bare with me, the real fact is there are no untrue statements in this article. Imagine that! Some of us do have to worry about the Law, don't worry it will catch up to you sooner or later when you start driving or paying taxes. They are ALL LEGAL. Imagine that again! They support legal and moral decisions. If you want to use illegal stuff, go right ahead, I'll point at you when they come looking. As for this team, they take pride in actually offering another, viable, solution that they have designed. And I know what you are going to say, I can flash my X3 with cromwell and yes, you can. But xenium was designed to be legal, they have been doing it the legal way from the begining. Thats why they haven't put an illegal "hacked" "moddified" bios out there.
*sigh* I'm going to step down from my soapbox now and wait for the people that haven't read what I said to reply. Or maybe I will go over to the xecuter forum and get cussed at. Ehhh....
MDFF
Post by: yazoo32 on December 16, 2004, 06:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (CrayZEE @ Dec 16 2004, 02:53 PM) |
| Peerx, i really think after your USB Stick comments, that you shoudl be quiet.... You talk about softmodding there when i was talking about a modchip's feature.. right on.... Shows how much you know the Xenium to talk about it..... |
you don't need to burn a CD/CDRW DVD or any disc to flash the Xecuter, nor do you need a USB drive.
Its as simple as drag and drop takes seconds.
and you can flash a X3 with a USB drive.
Just so I am clear on this, what does a Xenium actually do? I've heard how easy it is over other chips etc but what does it actually do that is legal?
Post by: IvanK on December 16, 2004, 07:01:00 AM
I'm sorry but the statement
| QUOTE |
XENIUM: Install, it works. Done. |
is *not* true. Not if you want to run any XDK-based apps. If you want to run Linux or stare at the red screen, great, but otherwise, if you want to use the Xbox for what 99.9% of the modded xbox users use it for, you're not *Done* until you go find a bios (be it Xecuter, EvoX or Ind), and get that up and running.
Does the Xenium make it a little easier to install that bios once you get it? *Maybe.*
But I'm willing to wager that somewhere on your xbox you have a modded bios that's *not* legal and that you're using to run these apps. Am I wrong?
Post by: appleguru on December 16, 2004, 07:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (IvanK @ Dec 16 2004, 10:04 AM) |
| If you want to run Linux or stare at the red screen.... |
The latest XOS versions (Including the current 2.0.1) Have blue backgrounds
As for features and things you can do 100% legally without flashing a BIOS:
Upgrade your HDD for one, flash a cromwell BIOS (From a DVD, from the network, via HTTP, via USB any works fine) and run linux (Which you can install on that new HDD, which can be used with the stock M$ BIOS on your xbox)...
Backup your eeprom to the chip (And restore it from the backup, as well as from a .bin on the HDD/DVD)
Change your video region settings (NTSC/PAL, etc)
You can FTP into your xbox, use it to store files from your PC... You can SMB in and do the same, you can copy your game saves off... You can reboot/shutdown the xbox remotely from any PC...
You can use it to transfer linux over to your machine without even needing to burn a CD or DVD!
And all of this? 100% legal! No need to go IRC hunting, no need to flash an illegal BIOS...
Of course, that's not what most people buy modchips for, but for those whoi want a cheap PC, an xbox running an Xenium and a modchip is one of the easiest ways to go! And its copletely legal!
Providing a chip and OS as easy and powerful as the Xodus team has is no small feat, and providing a completely legal and feature full alternative to the competition is a great asset to the scene in my opinion. If all chip manufacturers released illegal software, M$ would have far more legal standing to take action.. And then guess what? No more modchips... Hmmmmm...
While I'm not one to condone the "bashing" of others, I feel we have to give credit where credit is due.
Post by: IvanK on December 16, 2004, 08:08:00 AM
My point is, most people use any modchip to run illegal bioses. Sure you can run Linux on your box, and if you wanted to create the proverbial Slashdot Beowulf cluster of Xboxes then the Xenium is the way to go. However, given the audience on this forum versus the xbox-linux forum I think it's safe to say that almost everyone here is interested in using the Xenium or Xecuter or Smartxx or Aladdin, etc, chip to run M8+ or X2 4981 or X3 1959 or Ind 5003 so they can launch Avalaunch, XBMC, EvoX, UnleashX, game backups, etc.
Our own signatures confirm this.
My own point is that yes, XeniumOS is a legal solution, but it's not a legal solution that will do all the heavy lifting that users on the scene will want, and to market it as an "install and it works no searching on IRC" solution on xbox-scene is not entirely true or honest. It'd be perfectly fine on the xbox-linux site, because that's a different crowd. Based on that advertising, newbie users who buy the Xenium are going to be just as irritated/confused/whatever at having to look for bioses as users of other products. It is a technical achievement, and as a programmer I respect the effort that was put into it, but from my consulting days I became acutely aware of the "say anything" sales method, and how clients respond much better to disclosing the limitations of your solution than to go all out and tell them it's a "total package" when it's actually missing a few key components that the client requires.
And if you make the statement that you want to make sure you're being legal, respect intellectual property, then I'd hope you *never* make a hypocrite of yourself by firing up one of those other bioses. Stick to Linux, port BSD or whatever.
I just want to keep it real, yo.
Post by: anbe on December 16, 2004, 08:22:00 AM
Post by: DarkJedi664 on December 16, 2004, 09:01:00 AM
Post by: freakk123 on December 16, 2004, 09:17:00 AM
| QUOTE (mrjkwik @ Dec 15 2004, 09:32 PM) |
| i believe these complaints to be petty and ridiculous. its advertising people. coke says they are better than pepsi, pepsi says they are better than coke. subway says they are better than mcdonalds. on and on. look at car manufacture commercials. some how they are all "best in class". amazing isnt it. and all the chip makers have their own egos to float. smartxx was saying how great they were just a month ago after the rash of bans. xecuter has always said they are the best. big deal, its annoying, so are the 20 minutes of other commercials you watch during any hour long program. c'mon guys, of course its all ridiculous, but sometimes the "high road" isnt the money road. if you really wanna x3, go ahead. i've been to their forums. enjoy dealing with xecuter. i'd rather deal with a bit of an ego here rather than go there and be cussed at and berrated by him. just like anything else in life, its all a game. |
Sure, it's advertising. But it's misleading. Like others have said, you still need a bios to do anything worth doing with a chip. I have two Xbox's, a Xenium Box and an X3 Box. I personally love the Xenium OS. I think it's awesome. But I still use Xecuter and iND Bios' on it. Why? Because I can't do shit without them.
This part just irks me as well:
| QUOTE |
| Install, search through underground scene for an OS after learning the ins and outs of IRC, get into illegal sites and choose a hidden OS (one that is not a virus), download to PC, burn a cd (if you have no CDRW go out and get one), transfer to Xbox and pray like hell it accepts the file, flash the OS without destroying the chip. MAYBE NOW YOUR CHIP MIGHT WORK |
There are plenty of tutorials (on this very site) that tell you how to do all these things. And also, when do the usual places have virii? Never in my experience. There are tutorials telling you how to burn it perfectly with a variety of programs.
One final thing is, as others have said, the thing about web flashing. There is a gen3 chip (X2.6) that can be web flashed. You guys weren't even the first to do web flashing. You've got a great OS, but no right to trumpet features that others have/ blast others for making users doing things that your users generally must do!
//end rant
Anyhow, I agree with the other people, everyone likes a new OS! Also, I respect you for not wanting to rip off others code and not wanting to go to jail. You guys have a great chip... I just don't like your PR.
Post by: sayguh on December 16, 2004, 09:45:00 AM
Post by: X-ecuter on December 16, 2004, 09:53:00 AM
| QUOTE (vindiesel @ Dec 16 2004, 06:41 PM) |
| Just to add to Artifex point. If Xecuter is trully the leader of this scene; A) they would not have the issues they are having with their below average product.  B ) they would not have been 4th (last) to have released a software controlled (aka 4th gen) chip on the market. C) lead by example and not spread false rumors and have their *fag boys* diss up others work/products  I have purchased and worked with several modchips. The only ones I recommend, use and don't consider a mistake are the Xenium's.   |
A. What issues ? Below average product ? You really talk rubbish.
B. Last to release the FIRST full hardware/bios controlled mod - not just hardware controlled. Think before posting
C) This is a moronic statement. Have you not read what this entire thread is about. Its not about Xecuter bashing anyone or making lame comments which are completely misleading. You know what these mods are used for. The X3 Bios blows any other bios away. We are hackers - I couldnt care less about legalities. The mod works out of the box in order for you to get funky with your Xbox - we dont really cater to the 0.1% Linux market - however they can install Linux too if they wish. We concentrate on giving you the most pimped out mod and bios available - along with high quality accessories and addons - like we have always done way way before any of the other competition was even involved. If there was no hacked bios available for a new version - lets see who most of the scene (inc most of the bashers in this thread) would be looking to - thats right Xecuter and Evox.
Enough of these childish flame wars. Just play with your Xbox - I couldnt give a fuck about arguing like kids over who's BMX is better
Post by: IvanK on December 16, 2004, 10:48:00 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *breathe* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Post by: appleguru on December 16, 2004, 11:55:00 AM
| QUOTE (ncaissie @ Dec 16 2004, 11:54 AM) |
| If you upgrade the OS. He commented on this statement: |
New chips come with 2.0.1
Post by: IvanK on December 16, 2004, 12:16:00 PM
| QUOTE |
New chips come with 2.0.1 |
Now you get to upgrade your OS to 2.0.2. I hope that won't be a problematic upgrade.
| QUOTE |
The fact that my post enticed such a vulgar response indicates that you are frustrated and are aware that there is some truth to the fact that your product sucks and youre over zealous fan boys are a gay as you are. |
You sure do like tossing around the "gay" comments, *and* you seem to like the whole Vin Diesel thing. You sure you're not just lookin' for a man-date to fornicate?
BTW: I don't normally like being a grammar Nazi, but since you're into the whole *gay* scene you might want to look up what a "homophone" is. You're grammar may benefit from it.
Post by: Master-Chief on December 16, 2004, 12:21:00 PM
Post by: IvanK on December 16, 2004, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: mdfirefighter on December 16, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
MDFF
Post by: Artifex on December 16, 2004, 01:21:00 PM
| QUOTE (anbe @ Dec 16 2004, 05:25 PM) |
| The xenium os isn't the only on that's legal. Smartxx os is legal too, cromwell based, but legal. |
Yes.... based on Cromwell, which is licensed under the GPL....
Because smartxx has not released source for their OS, they are in violation of the GPL....
If you read the GPL, you'll notice that if the GPL is violated the rights extended to the use of the GPLed work are revoked. In other words... smartxx loses their right to use Cromwell by not releasing the source to their use.
Having lost that right, they are now in violation of the copyright placed on cromwell by it's developers and maintainers, and the developers and maintainers of all of the other GPL works from which the Cromwell codebase drew... such as the Linux kernel, and the Grub bootloader....
Distributing a work which is in violation of copyright is pretty illegal.
--Artifex
Post by: Artifex on December 16, 2004, 01:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (Master-Chief @ Dec 16 2004, 09:24 PM) |
| Whoa! This thread has pretty much turned into a flame war. You guys need to chill down. You are arguing over a mod-chip! |
Agreed. This is warning #2. We're leaving the thread open for now, but if it continues to degrade into unproductive name-calling, it will be closed.
--Artifex
Post by: Artifex on December 16, 2004, 01:46:00 PM
| QUOTE (X-ecuter @ Dec 16 2004, 06:56 PM) |
| A. What issues ? Below average product ? You really talk rubbish. B. Last to release the FIRST full hardware/bios controlled mod - not just hardware controlled. Think before posting C) This is a moronic statement. Have you not read what this entire thread is about. Its not about Xecuter bashing anyone or making lame comments which are completely misleading. You know what these mods are used for. The X3 Bios blows any other bios away. We are hackers - I couldnt care less about legalities. The mod works out of the box in order for you to get funky with your Xbox - we dont really cater to the 0.1% Linux market - however they can install Linux too if they wish. We concentrate on giving you the most pimped out mod and bios available - along with high quality accessories and addons - like we have always done way way before any of the other competition was even involved. If there was no hacked bios available for a new version - lets see who most of the scene (inc most of the bashers in this thread) would be looking to - thats right Xecuter and Evox. Enough of these childish flame wars. Just play with your Xbox - I couldnt give a fuck about arguing like kids over who's BMX is better |
A. An interesting coincidence..... Just before I came here to check up on forums, I was having a conversation with a couple of resellers about RMAs, and how xecuter has the highest number of RMAs despite having the lowest number of sales. I think that's an interesting coincendence, don't you? I do. Hehe.
B. You meant "software controller" right? Hardware controlled was second/third gen.... with all those silly dipswitches and unreliable cables to breakout boards.... I still remember sitting there spending hours trying to meter out that fcc cable, find the short.... Software control is the whole point of 4th gen, and allows for all of those silly hardware problems to be avoided. (See A)
I also remember in the EARLY days when the chips came with bioses on them.... bioses tied to chips.... ahh, those were the good ol.... oh, wait... that's right, people got arrested. Turns out redistributing MS's code is illegal. Hah, who would've thought. Oh, wait, we're doing that again now? oh... cool!
"Last to release the... erm, I mean First to... the full... latest..... wait, hardware? software? yah... hardware.... Last to release the first full hardware controlled mod! That's it! yah! Oh, what? software? oh, crap..... Uhm..... hack up our bios some more and call it an OS, yah, they'll buy that."
C. You're compleatly right... this started as an anti-xodus thread, not an xeucter fanboys versus xodus fanboys thread! People can't even stay on topic.... Wait, you didn't stay on topic with C here.... crap, now I'm confused. C was supposed to be about how this isnt xecuter vs xodus.... and then you turned it into xecuter vs xodus...... tricky tricky....
You're compleatly right. People use hacked bioses. Those people are breaking the law. (WOW, SHOCKER!) The people who produce those hacked bioses are breaking the law. The people who sell products tied specifically to those hacked bioses are breaking the law. I don't care about legalities either.... beyond keeping myself out of jail and away from fines, purely for the inconvenience of it.
However, I do like to think that there's some moral fiber, respect, and decency left in humanity.We're a clean, fair, moral, and legal business selling a clean, fair, moral, and legal product. We sleep well at night knowing that, and frankly that's all that matters to me.
--Artifex
Post by: Artifex on December 16, 2004, 01:54:00 PM
There's a very clear, well litigated line distinguishing legal and illegal, moral and immoral, here.
The Xecuter approach: tie an illegal bios to the chip. This forces the user to break the law with their product, and is thus an illegal act on the part of xecuter.
The Xodus approach: make no decisions on behalf of the customer. If the customer decides to break the law, it's their own choice.
--Artifex
Post by: Token User on December 16, 2004, 02:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Dec 16 2004, 04:57 PM) |
| I'd like to add one other little thing to my last statement, to clarify... There's a very clear, well litigated line distinguishing legal and illegal, moral and immoral, here. The Xecuter approach: tie an illegal bios to the chip. This forces the user to break the law with their product, and is thus an illegal act on the part of xecuter. The Xodus approach: make no decisions on behalf of the customer. If the customer decides to break the law, it's their own choice. --Artifex |
Yep - thank <insert diety here> for Team Xodus.
They don't give you a gun, they give you a gun loaded with blanks.
If you REALLY want to kill people, you'll need to take out the blanks and load it up with real bullets. They imply you dont really need real bullets.
Xecuter just give you the gun and <knudge, knudge, wink, wink> imply you should get your bullets from the usual places.
[Disclaimer? I purchased and installed an X3. Basically it came down to X3 vs Xenium ... and I went with the fourm that seemed more knowledgable, and the hype that seemed less full of BS ... YVMV (and given the flame wars, probably will)]
Post by: Artifex on December 16, 2004, 02:55:00 PM
| QUOTE (Token User @ Dec 16 2004, 11:47 PM) |
| Yep - thank <insert diety here> for Team Xodus. They don't give you a gun, they give you a gun loaded with blanks. If you REALLY want to kill people, you'll need to take out the blanks and load it up with real bullets. They imply you dont really need real bullets. Xecuter just give you the gun and <knudge, knudge, wink, wink> imply you should get your bullets from the usual places. [Disclaimer? I purchased and installed an X3. Basically it came down to X3 vs Xenium ... and I went with the fourm that seemed more knowledgable, and the hype that seemed less full of BS ... YVMV (and given the flame wars, probably will)] |
You are confused as to the point. The problem is not in the implications-of-use made. The problem is that Xecuter advertises thier product with a featureset which is not useable unless the user breaks the law and obtains their illegal bios.
Their featureset is much more then what their legal, on-chip firmware offers:
| QUOTE |
| -Can flash firmware from hdd, cd or network |
If that's all they listed for their features, I doubt they'd be selling many chips. 99% of the things they DO list as their features arn't actually in the product that is being sold, but in the illegal bios which is being piggybacked onto that sale. (which, btw, makes the sale of the product itself illegal.)
Xodus advertises a featureset which the user can use without needing to break the law, and without having to do anything aside from install the chip.
THAT is the heart of the issue, and when you cut away all of the marketing hype and arrogant tone - THAT is what the original post in question here is saying.
--Artifex
Post by: Token User on December 16, 2004, 03:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (Artifex @ Dec 16 2004, 05:58 PM) |
| You are confused as to the point. The problem is not in the implications-of-use made. The problem is that Xecuter advertises thier product with a featureset which is not useable unless the user breaks the law and obtains their illegal bios. |
Actually, I agree with you on this.
And if I was after a pure Linux based solution for my Xbox, I'd be right on board with what you said. Xecuter have tied their chip to an illegal BIOS, but in doing so have made no bones about what the intended use of the chip will be.
Xodus sit atop a holier than thou pedestle, and in reality require a modded BIOS to do what a majority of modded box users want.
Don't get me wrong. I appreciate how hard this is to achieve. I have written code for PLCs in heavy manufacturing environments - its not easy, but your BIOS is really shooting blanks (so to speak) in terms of final purpose of the chip.
Post by: yazoo32 on December 16, 2004, 03:27:00 PM
Answer me this, why do people mod their Xboxes?
We all no the answer to that. If you can't be honest about it then just STFU. Its like being in the playground FFS. Just have a quick read in the teamxodus forums, its full of people wanted to flash the bios so they can play their backup games. This is the main point of making the damn chip. Doesn't matter how much you dress it up. I haven't come across anyone yet who says come and look at my Xenium OS. XBMC yes.
Bottom line is the xenium is no more legal than the xecuter when it comes to what it does. Get over it. Your not going to convince anyone but those who have bought one.
I wonder how old the person is, mentally, who wrote that article cause it does teamxodus no favours. Should have considered the backlash for the obvious attacks.
p.s please someone answer my question what is it the OS actually does that is legal and so great?
Post by: appleguru on December 16, 2004, 04:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (yazoo32 @ Dec 16 2004, 06:30 PM) |
| p.s please someone answer my question what is it the OS actually does that is legal and so great? |
Did you see my post here?
Post by: Billy-X on December 16, 2004, 05:26:00 PM
u can sleep at night without worry going to jail hehehe
Post by: sush1a on December 16, 2004, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: Kev052683 on December 16, 2004, 07:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (Billy-X @ Dec 17 2004, 02:29 AM) |
| just want to say... LEGAL is GOOD u can sleep at night without worry going to jail hehehe |
Off topic, but I find your post humorous looking at your signature -
X2 Bios, Blackstorm X, Unleash X
Are you the one sleeping well at night?
Post by: vindiesel on December 16, 2004, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: imthewa1rus on December 16, 2004, 07:30:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| 2. Bash the competition's product with paid cronies and more BS |
this makes me laugh, you sound way more like a paid cronie than any of the people supporting xecuter. just my opinion tho. but you did make me laugh!
Post by: freakk123 on December 16, 2004, 08:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (imthewa1rus @ Dec 16 2004, 10:33 PM) |
| this makes me laugh, you sound way more like a paid cronie than any of the people supporting xecuter. just my opinion tho. but you did make me laugh! |
My thoughts exactly!
Post by: dwpoyner on December 16, 2004, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: Gumba on December 16, 2004, 09:09:00 PM
| QUOTE (peerx @ Dec 16 2004, 01:58 PM) |
| Uh, buy a memory stick, or action replay, hook it up to your xbox, and flash it from there? Xodus isn't the only one with "USB FLASH" rofl. There are a lot of methods of flashing a bios -- Action Replay was out way before Xodus existed, btw. |
What other mod chip lets you flash from a memory card or usb thumb drive?
Post by: Gumba on December 16, 2004, 09:14:00 PM
| QUOTE (appleguru @ Dec 16 2004, 04:53 PM) |
| The latest XOS versions (Including the current 2.0.1) Have blue backgrounds As for features and things you can do 100% legally without flashing a BIOS: Upgrade your HDD for one, flash a cromwell BIOS (From a DVD, from the network, via HTTP, via USB any works fine) and run linux (Which you can install on that new HDD, which can be used with the stock M$ BIOS on your xbox)... Backup your eeprom to the chip (And restore it from the backup, as well as from a .bin on the HDD/DVD) Change your video region settings (NTSC/PAL, etc) You can FTP into your xbox, use it to store files from your PC... You can SMB in and do the same, you can copy your game saves off... You can reboot/shutdown the xbox remotely from any PC... You can use it to transfer linux over to your machine without even needing to burn a CD or DVD! And all of this? 100% legal! No need to go IRC hunting, no need to flash an illegal BIOS... Of course, that's not what most people buy modchips for, but for those whoi want a cheap PC, an xbox running an Xenium and a modchip is one of the easiest ways to go! And its copletely legal! Providing a chip and OS as easy and powerful as the Xodus team has is no small feat, and providing a completely legal and feature full alternative to the competition is a great asset to the scene in my opinion. If all chip manufacturers released illegal software, M$ would have far more legal standing to take action.. And then guess what? No more modchips... Hmmmmm... While I'm not one to condone the "bashing" of others, I feel we have to give credit where credit is due. |
Oh, and you can't fry your chip by flashing a BIOS. And you can ugprade the OS. and if you *do* fry your chip by upgrading the OS... you just use the recovery switch to reflash the OS!!!
(BTW, you can probably load an eeprom.bin from the USB thumbdrive too
Post by: Gumba on December 16, 2004, 09:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (ncaissie @ Dec 16 2004, 05:54 PM) |
| If you upgrade the OS. He commented on this statement: |
I think the latest Xeniums actually ship with a "blue" os
Post by: Gumba on December 16, 2004, 09:43:00 PM
| QUOTE (Token User @ Dec 16 2004, 11:47 PM) |
| Yep - thank <insert diety here> for Team Xodus. They don't give you a gun, they give you a gun loaded with blanks. If you REALLY want to kill people, you'll need to take out the blanks and load it up with real bullets. They imply you dont really need real bullets. Xecuter just give you the gun and <knudge, knudge, wink, wink> imply you should get your bullets from the usual places. [Disclaimer? I purchased and installed an X3. Basically it came down to X3 vs Xenium ... and I went with the fourm that seemed more knowledgable, and the hype that seemed less full of BS ... YVMV (and given the flame wars, probably will)] |
Actually, Xecuter makes a special line of illegal bullets which only work with their special gun, and then imply you should go and find this line of bullets in the same place you find your other illegal bullets.
Post by: F1LTER on December 16, 2004, 10:55:00 PM
Post by: Artifex on December 17, 2004, 12:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (F1LTER @ Dec 17 2004, 07:58 AM) |
| I think that all the crap back and forth keeps them coming up with new stuff. Competition is always good and fierce competition is better. |
Agreed.... competition: good.
Useless flamefests: bad.
If this thread hasn't gone anywhere constructive by morning, I'm doing what should've been done several pages ago and closing it.
--Artifex
Post by: yazoo32 on December 17, 2004, 01:53:00 AM
So enough of the BS about legalities.
Post by: nagmine on December 17, 2004, 03:35:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| We are proud to announce the release of XeniumOS(info) 2.0.2. This release contains bug fixes only. Features are intentionally disabled and will be released in forthcoming updates during our 12 days of Christmas series. |
if they make me update my os 3 times in one week... im goan laugh lol.
Post by: mdfirefighter on December 17, 2004, 05:17:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| We apologise for having no Christmas anecdotes and useless hype to offer you - we're too busy delivering on new products and software for you to have something that you will physically enjoy. |
YES! More switches to add to the X3, again....
I guess OS updates don't count as software... damn schools don't teach me anything....
MDFF
Post by: greengiant on December 17, 2004, 06:03:00 AM
GET A LIFE !!!!
Now that ive said that... two points
WHO CARES !
Use WHAT you want, HOW you want. You dont like Xodus, DONT BUY it. Dont like xecuter, DONT BUY it. BUY what you want/need !
And secondly,
Dont comment on things you dont know. If you have not tried what is being compared, then you cant make a good opinion (yes opinion because its unlikely you have tested it enought to make a better than good, opinion).
I have probably bashed everyone and everyteam and company since the beggining, at one point or another. But honestly, this PR is downright louzy.
Seems as if they got back together with Ozxodus, cause when they where together theyr PR was this bullshit-ish. But after the split, it seemed to be very clean and proper. Is mike back ?
So as I leave this thread i say.... get a cheapmod... Just kidding. Buy what you think will provide you the best features you want (and NONE that are bios based, since in the end, the bios will run on any mod [yea yeah xcept the x3]) ...legal shmegal... OOH you broke the contract with MS when u opened the xbox anyways.. LOL
Have fun kids. And how bout we get some better PR people working.
X keep up the good work, and Arti too, and all the rest.
Competition = I get to have more fun by trying out new things. And lower prices + more features for YOU the consumer.
Play nice.
Post by: Harsesis on December 17, 2004, 07:38:00 AM
| QUOTE (mdfirefighter @ Dec 17 2004, 02:20 PM) |
| AHEHM.... no xecuter doesn't do it either..... AHEHM YES! More switches to add to the X3, again.... I guess OS updates don't count as software... damn schools don't teach me anything.... MDFF |
Key word.... NEW
*not* bug fixes for old software 
Think before you speak
Post by: Artifex on December 17, 2004, 07:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (yazoo32 @ Dec 17 2004, 10:56 AM) |
| well it would seem that it is illegal in the US and UK what the Xenium does along with any other chip, if recent news reports are to be believed. You may want to read this So enough of the BS about legalities. |
Maybe you should re-read that....
Piracy == inherently illegal.
Chipping != inherently illegal.
Go read the Berne convention, the DMCA, and the hundreds of websites of the subject of copyright law.
Or ask your local copyright/patent attourny.
--Artifex
Post by: Artifex on December 17, 2004, 07:59:00 AM
| QUOTE (nagmine @ Dec 17 2004, 12:38 PM) |
| ahh forget this crap talk... what else is xenium gona give us before xmas? besides rants. if they make me update my os 3 times in one week... im goan laugh lol. |
Prepare to laugh.
Post by: Artifex on December 17, 2004, 08:00:00 AM
| QUOTE (ncaissie @ Dec 17 2004, 02:33 PM) |
| Why isn't this thread locked yet? The points were made, so lets move on. |
Agreed.
Post by: Artifex on December 17, 2004, 08:02:00 AM
| QUOTE (greengiant @ Dec 17 2004, 03:06 PM) |
| well im gonn get my 2 cents in before it closes.... GET A LIFE !!!! Now that ive said that... two points WHO CARES ! Use WHAT you want, HOW you want. You dont like Xodus, DONT BUY it. Dont like xecuter, DONT BUY it. BUY what you want/need ! And secondly, Dont comment on things you dont know. If you have not tried what is being compared, then you cant make a good opinion (yes opinion because its unlikely you have tested it enought to make a better than good, opinion). I have probably bashed everyone and everyteam and company since the beggining, at one point or another. But honestly, this PR is downright louzy. Seems as if they got back together with Ozxodus, cause when they where together theyr PR was this bullshit-ish. But after the split, it seemed to be very clean and proper. Is mike back ? So as I leave this thread i say.... get a cheapmod... Just kidding. Buy what you think will provide you the best features you want (and NONE that are bios based, since in the end, the bios will run on any mod [yea yeah xcept the x3]) ...legal shmegal... OOH you broke the contract with MS when u opened the xbox anyways.. LOL Have fun kids. And how bout we get some better PR people working. X keep up the good work, and Arti too, and all the rest. Competition = I get to have more fun by trying out new things. And lower prices + more features for YOU the consumer. Play nice. |
Agreed on almost all points.
No, Mike isnt back.
Like we said... we feel we've done great things, and we feel our pride is justified.
Hopefully, at the end of 12 days, you'll agree.
--Arti
Post by: Artifex on December 17, 2004, 08:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (Harsesis @ Dec 17 2004, 04:41 PM) |
| Key word.... NEW *not* bug fixes for old software Think before you speak |
You want NEW? OK.
We just felt that since our primary commitment is to the undeniable reliability of our product, that we should further that by making improvements to that reliability our day-1, opening event.
But, it's day 2... and now that we've gotten that out of the way....
Wow, and 10 days to go.... oh my.....
--Arti
Post by: Artifex on December 17, 2004, 08:05:00 AM
Should've been done awhile ago anyways.
--Artifex