Post by: marksu on May 16, 2004, 10:21:00 PM
-- EDIT: -----
Read Install tutorial for solderless adapter provided by nightwing17
Then rest of this message.
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Symptoms:
Flashing xenium led
OR
The led dont light up
OR
The led light up and thén getting FRAG
Reason: Problem with lpc points
SOLUTIONS:
1. Clean LPC holes with alcohol to remove the untistatic coating.
You might have to rubb hard to get possible thin untistatic coating off.
2. Use Rivets
If LPC points are filled with lead then rivets are not necessary.
3. One, pogos might not be completely aligned properly
The adapter is not touching correctly on the rivets. Everytime you screw the adaptor down the front two pegs barely dont touch. This a a fault of adapter cause springs on the pins are to hard.
SOLUTION:
You need to raise the end of adapter where the screw is.
Fold a piece of paper and slide it under the adapter next to the screw. You can also use other material as long is not metallic.
pic provided by cap269 at Ozxodus forum
Symptom: Solid red Xenium led and boots to Original MS dash
Reason: Problem with d0 point
SOLUTIONS:
1. Clean d0 point with alcohol to remove the untistatic coating.
You might have to rubb hard to get possible thin untistatic coating off.
2. Clean d0 wire end with alcohol to give it better electrical connection.
3. D0 hook may have a cold solder joint at the connection where the wire meets the hook.
SOLUTION1:
Send the adapter back for warranty replacement.
SOLUTION2:
Resoldering the D0 hook on the adapter.
- use this solution, if you want a quick solution
If any of these helped, then please through in a reply saying which solutions fixed your problem. (just querious)
Post by: csyberblue on May 17, 2004, 11:56:00 AM
10 minutes ago I was installing my first modchip, and I was stuck. I was gonna come on the forums to ask how to fix this problem, and your topic was just what I was looking for.
Thank you so much!
personally, I think this topic should be pinned!
Post by: cap269 on May 17, 2004, 02:04:00 PM
This seems to be a recurring problem with the solderless adapter. Hopefully this information can prevent a few end-user headaches.
Post by: marksu on May 17, 2004, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: xmods.ca on May 17, 2004, 09:19:00 PM
We noticed that issue as soon as those adapters were shipped to us, we love the adapter but they need to mold a spacer onto the screw end or provide a washer for the screw that is about 1-2 mm thick as to make the load even on the adapter pins.
We also install the little brass rivets in all the newer systems with the LPC holes as to make sure the contact is better with the front 2 pins.
Hopefully OZXODUS comes up with a fix for this soon.
Thanks Again and Great Job
Xmods.ca staff!
Post by: gundie on May 18, 2004, 06:50:00 AM
Post by: Grez on May 26, 2004, 08:40:00 AM
| QUOTE (marksu @ May 17 2004, 07:21 AM) |
| 4. D0 hook may have a cold solder joint at the connection where the wire meets the hook. SOLUTION: Resoldering the D0 hook on the adapter. |
In my opinion the correct solution is:
Send the adapter back for warranty replacement.
Why would anyone buy an solderless adapter if they were capable of soldering?
Yes, I do understand that that is a solution for DYI people, but still. If people are just accepting a product that is faulty then the manufacturer will have no reason to fix their product and they can continue shipping products of unacceptable quality to their customers.
Post by: marksu on May 26, 2004, 08:57:00 AM
| QUOTE (Grez @ May 26 2004, 05:33 PM) |
| In my opinion the correct solution is: Send the adapter back for warranty replacement. Why would anyone buy an solderless adapter if they were capable of soldering? Yes, I do understand that that is a solution for DYI people, but still. If people are just accepting a product that is faulty then the manufacturer will have no reason to fix their product and they can continue shipping products of unacceptable quality to their customers. |
Grez you got a point there.
Still there are ppl that feel they rather do the litle safe fix soldering on the adapter so they get the xenium working the same night.
Think about it person waiting 5-15 days to get the chip. Each day feeleing like a horror movie cause person so eger the get his xbox modded.
After receiwing the xenium and adapter he realises litle tiny fault on the adapter.
If he returns it for replacement he might have to wait double time he waited to get it (5-15 days times two).
Well doing litle soldering on the adapter is quite safe comparing soldering the mobo. Therefore he might be go ehead and do the tiny soldering fix.
Well as you sead person is entitled to replacement and of couce could reguire it to be replace by the seller.
I am not judging your solution eather.
EDIT:
Actualy lets add it to one of the solutions.
Post by: antiflag1980 on June 10, 2004, 02:39:00 AM
Post by: DingoAce10 on June 17, 2004, 05:50:00 AM
I am the one that posted this yesterday:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=228545
Your "troubleshooting" thread worked PERFECTLY!!! After spending 3 frustrating hours 2 nights ago trying to get the chip to work...I got it to work within 15 mins last night after following your advice/tricks...
Not sure if it was the cleaning off of the points or the "paper trick", but it kicked right in!!!
Thanks for writing this thread!!
Post by: marksu on June 17, 2004, 08:16:00 AM
Post by: marksu on June 20, 2004, 01:39:00 AM
POLL: Xenium Blue Solderless Adapter Paper Folding Trick
Seems like I am almost the only one trying to keep this thread alive.
Post by: The Wizzard on June 30, 2004, 03:32:00 AM
Post by: bluntmagician on June 30, 2004, 04:57:00 AM
Post by: loonix on July 04, 2004, 12:13:00 AM
Im hoping somone can suggest a non-soldering solution.
BTW - I think the springed pins are too hard and leaver the end up, rather than the connecter bending. I think they need to be softer springs.
Post by: marksu on July 04, 2004, 02:09:00 AM
| QUOTE (loonix @ Jul 4 2004, 09:13 AM) |
| BTW - I think the springed pins are too hard and leaver the end up, rather than the connecter bending. I think they need to be softer springs. |
Yes you are right. I have forgot to correct that part of the info.
Thanks for reminding me.
Post by: ncaissie on July 09, 2004, 04:29:00 AM
It seems to be a very common request.
Good work Marksu.
Post by: sno dome on July 09, 2004, 06:38:00 AM
i have the solderless, i have it installed. when i boot the led goes red then green then nothing. but on the tv i have the xenium menu. after futzing around with the xenium menu i got a service screen(flashing red and green). maybe im missing something. everywhere says LED should stay red. mine most certainly does not. should i do the alcohol thing? if it wasnt touching why would i get the menu? thanks in advance, paul
Post by: ncaissie on July 09, 2004, 07:04:00 AM
The service erro should have a number, what is it?
Also did you unlock your hard drive?
Post by: sno dome on July 09, 2004, 07:22:00 AM
the service screen did not have a number. where would it be. the front light on xbox, not xenium led, was flashing red and green. thanks already for your help, paul
Post by: ncaissie on July 09, 2004, 07:26:00 AM
Post by: sno dome on July 09, 2004, 11:13:00 AM
i get the xenium os v2.0 menu on boot. the xenium led goes from red to green to out. i tsop'd the retail dash, and when i launch it, i get a service screen with multiple languages and no number in the top left. i also get a FRAG.
here is my question, why cant i boot to the original xbox dash? i also tried bypassing the mod chip (eject boots to xenium, power boots regular) and i still get the FRAG. am i going to waste my time flashing the bios just to have it not work? i need to know if i have the xenium installed correctly. and if not, what exactly is wrong.
Post by: ncaissie on July 09, 2004, 03:14:00 PM
you cant tsop a dash. you flas the tsop with a cracked Bios.
The only reason fo doing that is to rmove your chip and still play backups and run different dashes.
soundslike you messed up the MS dash.
Find slayers and restore it.
I have had to do it a couple of times for the same reason.
When you flashed your tsop did you change the fonts?
Post by: RoleModel on July 09, 2004, 05:11:00 PM
I get the red led on the chip now... but only if I push down on it a certain way. I'm still booting to the MS dash.
Any ideas?
Post by: marksu on July 10, 2004, 03:28:00 AM
| QUOTE (RoleModel @ Jul 10 2004, 02:11 AM) |
| well, I think the paper trick has improved things, but I'm still stuck. I get the red led on the chip now... but only if I push down on it a certain way. I'm still booting to the MS dash. Any ideas? |
1. When chip is booting to MS dash problem lies usuallu under the d0.
Try cleaning the d0 point and wire with alcohol.
Make sure you dont have cold solder joint between the adapter and the wire.
2. Cause you need to press down the chip for it to get power it seem it also has bad lpc connections. Try also cleaning the adapter pins, lpc hole with alcohol. Add also the rivets on the lpc hole. I see you allready did the paper trick.
Try those
Post by: ncaissie on July 10, 2004, 05:26:00 AM
Post by: xmods.ca on July 10, 2004, 06:11:00 AM
I hate to post on this topic again, but just wanna state.
I do 95% of our installs with a solderless adapter, I have never and I mean never had an issue with the old adapters, hopefully people know which ones I mean as to not flame on Ozxodus.
The pogo pin spring pressure is way too strong on the new blue adapters, you do not need that much pressure for an adapter.
Needing paper yes a fix but should not need to be done, works, YES, but in my mind should not need to use paper for a $19.00 adapter!!
We know its hard to order just an adapter but its worth the time and less stress on a first time installer having no headaches.
There is a new adapter from said mentioned place from previous statement that we are using and it is AWESOME same soft spring pressure but nice brass ring for screw hole and nice notch for V1.5 and V1.6 systems for clearance!!
Have used over 100 solderless adapters and never had an issue with older adapters or newer ones but we have had same similar incidents with the blue adapters and just cant justify playing with them for an hour to fix an issue that should not happen!!
Just our 2 cents
Xmods.ca staff!!
Post by: RoleModel on July 10, 2004, 02:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (xmods.ca @ Jul 10 2004, 03:11 PM) |
| There is a new adapter from said mentioned place from previous statement that we are using and it is AWESOME same soft spring pressure but nice brass ring for screw hole and nice notch for V1.5 and V1.6 systems for clearance!! |
hot damn... if I dont get this thing going soon, I may order one from ya. How much? Didn't see "just an adapter" on yer site.
How soon can you ship it, and will it work on a 1.0?
(I've had it... I'm about to give up...)
Post by: RoleModel on July 10, 2004, 04:02:00 PM
Post by: TSOPrano on July 10, 2004, 04:03:00 PM
Post by: RoleModel on July 10, 2004, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: xmods.ca on July 10, 2004, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: Undying Wizard on July 11, 2004, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: RoleModel on July 11, 2004, 02:33:00 PM
| QUOTE (Undying Wizard @ Jul 11 2004, 11:26 PM) |
| I had better luck without the gold revets, I took the revets out and no longer needed to use the paper trick, but what ever works , helps to try diffrent things out |
I'm not using the rivets. I got a 1.0, and my port holes are soldered in.
Post by: Undying Wizard on July 12, 2004, 03:07:00 AM
I dunno , but it would probally work
Post by: marksu on July 12, 2004, 04:32:00 AM
| QUOTE (RoleModel @ Jul 11 2004, 10:05 PM) |
| well, I kinda got it working... when I press down on the chip just right. Any suggestions? Someone on an irc forum suggested a pinheader install, but that seems more drastic than soldering. Besides, I paid for a solderless adapter, the damn thing should work. Is there a safe way to keep the chip pressed down? Any other ideas? I'm prolly gonna try ordering that adapter from xmods tomorrow. But I'd like this to work now, with the equipment I bought already. |
The springs seem to be ultra hard in you case. If not even the paper trick helps to keep the pins down I would succest to send the adapter for warranty replacement.
Post by: marksu on July 12, 2004, 05:09:00 AM
Post by: marksu on July 12, 2004, 08:58:00 AM
| QUOTE (ncaissie @ Jul 12 2004, 05:22 PM) |
| LOL Marksu What on earth would give you that impression?  |
ncaissie you comment is a good inside joke.
I bet the other readers dont get it.
Well lets say that ncaissie got the same impression!
Post by: ncaissie on July 12, 2004, 09:10:00 AM
Post by: marksu on July 12, 2004, 09:12:00 AM
| QUOTE (ncaissie @ Jul 12 2004, 06:10 PM) |
| no, anyone who has been around more than a month would know what I ment. |
Post by: marksu on July 13, 2004, 02:29:00 AM
Post by: marksu on July 18, 2004, 11:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (Hajime_No_Ippo @ Jul 18 2004, 02:44 PM) |
| Dude you are the man you really helped me out alot i hope they make a new solderless adapter and send it out to everyone who order the solderless but again thank you |
Nice to hear my thread have helped you.
Well maybe someday this gets pinned, so ppl would not have to create countless threads with same questions that this thread gives anwares to.
Post by: Hajime_No_Ippo on July 19, 2004, 02:28:00 AM
i tried to correct it but nope nothing i tried almost 100 times any one know a other solution?
Post by: marksu on July 19, 2004, 04:19:00 AM
To clean the d0 wire use alcohol. If it is dirty it will not give good electrical contact.
A solid red led on xenium and boot to MS Original Dash means a problem with d0 point.
Check the first post on this lead concerning the D0 problem section. I made the tips layout a bit more clear.
Post by: RoleModel on July 19, 2004, 11:00:00 AM
Thus far, it seems to be doing the trick.
Thanks to Marksu for letting me know that there was something wrong with the adapter - and it wasn't just me.
Also thanks to xmods for having a solution.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on July 19, 2004, 05:06:00 PM
Post by: marksu on July 22, 2004, 02:51:00 AM
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Jul 20 2004, 01:09 AM) |
| Going to add this to the GUIDES pin. |
Thanks
Post by: YaYa on August 01, 2004, 07:25:00 AM
I've found that a cube of styrophone works quite well as a brace on top of the chip/below the dvd to add some pressure (cut from the xbox packaging no less!).
I had the problem where xenium would only boot properly if I put some weight on the chip simultaneously to make the connectors touch. The chip light would go red and the OOB xbox console would boot. I placed my styrophone cube on top of the southern edge of the xenium ice (the side with the LPC points closest to the front of the console).
Next, I put a piece of scotch-tape on top of the styrofoam, so it would automatically stick to the dvd drive once it sat on top. This way you don't have to worry about proper placement it will just happen naturally when you put the drive in on top, and it should stay that way.
It's working like a charm. I've flipped the box around putting all the screws back and it still boots xenium fine. Styrofoam seems good because a) it's not a conductor, and b ) it's rigid enough with just enough give so you have steady pressure but don't crush the hell out of the ice chip, and c) you can wittle it down gradually to the proper size without much effort.
Hope it helps. I almost said eff this and got my soldering on before having the styrofoam vision in my sleep last night.
Post by: nightwing17 on August 22, 2004, 05:27:00 PM
This is my first post but I have been reading the forums for over a month now. I think I found a permanent solution to the solderless adapter. After trying all the suggestion on this thread and others I decided to look around at other chips and maybe returning my Xenium. Anyways, as I was looking at the Xecuter chips I came across this troubleshooting guide for the Xapter. I tried it on the Xenium solderless adapter and it has worked. I know longer get frags, or any of that other stuff. Hope this helps people out. It sure helped me. Here is the link to the troubleshooting guide
http://www.teamxecuter.com/xapter/
Post by: monkey86 on August 31, 2004, 11:52:00 AM
u have my eternal gratitude!
Post by: moo_im_a_bird on September 16, 2004, 05:13:00 PM
i just got my modchip yesterday and got it installed what does it mean when the xbox led flashes red and green?
Post by: Robotron on October 06, 2004, 02:51:00 PM
I have been running a Ice-mod since they came out without any problems (solderless install) until this week.
Games would freeze. The Xbox would reboot into the M$ dash (with the red LED).
I used both the paper trick and I cleaned and tested D0 and now it works great.
Just thought I would let you know since you asked for replies.
oh and if it does return again I will just solder it (a much easier job than my PS2).
Post by: runlikehell on October 08, 2004, 01:22:00 PM
Post by: MadeinPr on October 30, 2004, 04:52:00 AM
Post by: halo1 on October 30, 2004, 05:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (loonix @ Jul 4 2004, 08:16 AM) | ||
| Alas too late. This fault on the connector has ended me with a burred screw hole in the case. Unless I take to glueing the screw in, I have to go a solder connection. Post by: ltoolio on October 30, 2004, 06:04:00 PM
You may want to consider sucking the solder out of the holes (assuming it really is a V1.0). It will be difficult to get to pogo pins to stay in contact with the holes being flush to the board. Or, as others have suggested, you may want to take the plunge and solder it. Post by: X3rules on November 05, 2004, 01:23:00 AM Post by: Misfire68 on January 04, 2005, 02:02:00 AM  looks as if the cleaning did in fact work. Thank You! Oh yeah, working with a V 1.0 machine.I also noticed that the end, away from the screw, of the solderless adaptor had a little play, up and down, on the board. I have the black adaptor. It appears that the little play that was there has no affect on the opperation of the chip. I hope!!  But thak you again for this thread, without it I would be sitting here steeming!! Post by: Misfire68 on January 09, 2005, 01:14:00 AM  Thanks again! Misfire Post by: Misfit111 on January 09, 2005, 04:29:00 PM Post by: cap269 on January 10, 2005, 11:45:00 AM Post by: 281R on March 16, 2005, 02:50:00 PM Post by: laranita on March 18, 2005, 11:15:00 PM  i install yesterday my chip xenium ice with the solder less adapter , i have the xodus menu .the light is green , but when i load a disc , the menu dont move still there i cant see the game , original game can some one help me ? how to set up the menu on the screen 
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Post by: bunglehaze on March 26, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
Post by: marksu on April 13, 2005, 12:10:00 PM I been gone from scene a while and thought to drop in to check my Troubleshooting thread. As it has huge ammouts of View counts (second most of all non pinned threads) and the content of replies I see that this thread have come to some good use. As nightwing17 provided a good link I will add that to my original Troubleshooting info at the beginning of this thread. Solderless Adapter Guide ALSO Thanks for all ppl thanking me like Robotron, Misfire68... Good thing you hade some use of my guide. The sad thing still is that the guide is needed. Keep on replying so we can keep track at which extent solderless problems accure. Post by: laranita on April 13, 2005, 03:18:00 PM QUOTE(marksu @ Apr 13 2005, 06:16 PM) Yo all. |