Post by: Mr Nobody on February 04, 2004, 10:20:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| ORANGE Flashing: This may also be down to a solder splash on the board or a damaged track. May also be due overheating. |
Check for solder splash.
Post by: KlanXX on February 04, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on February 04, 2004, 02:24:00 PM
Post by: Ranger72 on February 04, 2004, 02:36:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 04, 2004, 03:16:00 PM
This is YOUR Pinheader...
and this is a basic Pinheader install (no wires yet.. that is later.)
Do you notice any difference?
HINT: Check the Pin header in relationship to the SCREW HOLE in both pictures.
Post by: NeO529 on February 04, 2004, 03:23:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 04, 2004, 03:30:00 PM
Your back..
A properly done back..
and another proper...
(Pics courtest of Fuji)
Again.. the relationship of the position of the pinheader to the hole is KEY!
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 04, 2004, 03:41:00 PM
Well..
...it looks like you were giving 5.0v to the chip on a pin that is supposed to be ground.. Pin 2 in Pin 6 hole.
... 3.3v goiing to the RST pin.
and 3.3v going to the LAD0 pin.
I'm not too shocked you are having problems with this setup.
Post by: torhne on February 04, 2004, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 04, 2004, 05:16:00 PM
Post by: Puckster069 on February 04, 2004, 05:43:00 PM
Peace!
PuckX
Post by: KlanXX on February 04, 2004, 06:11:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 04, 2004, 06:59:00 PM
Post by: shanafan on February 04, 2004, 08:35:00 PM
| QUOTE (KlanXX @ Feb 5 2004, 12:23 AM) |
| ok here it is MY XBOX NOW ~still no working~ |
It's probably time to look for a new XBox motherboard.
Check XS Buy and Sell or eBay
Post by: JaggedChild04 on February 04, 2004, 08:38:00 PM
Post by: kl0wn on February 04, 2004, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: JaggedChild04 on February 04, 2004, 08:47:00 PM
Post by: NghtShd on February 05, 2004, 04:56:00 AM
Post by: TEAM XODUS on February 05, 2004, 05:06:00 AM
Xodus
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 05, 2004, 06:49:00 AM
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 05, 2004, 07:09:00 AM
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 05, 2004, 07:27:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 08:20:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| AND THIS IS NOT MY FIRST TIME SOLDERING SOMETHING THE TRACES ARE OK |
Um.. you are joking right?
Seriously? you are joking right?
The first pics you posted were horrendous attempts at soldering (aside from the fact you placed the pinheader in the wrong holes... btw ... show us the guide you followed to pull that off?).. and the second one.. where you think you "fixed" it.. looks just as bad. Do you use a coat hanger instead of a soldering Iron?
If this wasn't your first attempt.. on the backside of the WRONG INSTALL.. why did you SOLDER the rubber/foam square? instead of removing it?
If this wasn't your first attempt.. why not show us your first.
I'm definitely interested in seeing something you have screwed up.
... and please tell me you have no intent on become a "pro modchip installer" and sell your services....
I'm almost willing to buy this fuckup off of you.. so we can add it to the Hall of Shame.. of what NOT to do to an xbox.
Don't take any of this as a slam.. take this as one experienced person.. who is looking at your work.. and knowing you don't have any experience by the results you've showed us on 2 occassions now. The first being the WRONG placement and botched solder job.. the second.. being what you think is the "FIXED" placement and solder job.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 08:22:00 AM
...it's that BIG picture.. it say LPC on it.
You might want to step away from the soldering iron. Spend some time and READ. Hasn't your XBOX suffered enough?
Post by: devz3ro on February 05, 2004, 08:33:00 AM
Come on its a good deal...
I swear
-devz3ro
http://sh0x.tk/
Post by: xgeek on February 05, 2004, 08:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Feb 5 2004, 06:20 PM) |
| I'm almost willing to buy this fuckup off of you.. so we can add it to the Hall of Shame.. of what NOT to do to an xbox. |
LoL that would be sweet
KlanXX i think you should get the picture that your NEVER gonna be able to fix this yourself
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (KlanXX @ Feb 5 2004, 01:33 PM) |
| OK MAN U SOUND LIKE I FUCKED UP YOUR XBOX.........I ASKED FOR HELP, NOT BE BASHED ON DAMN IT. |
I'll give you another HINT: you might want to drop the ALL CAPS...
There was a vote taken.. and for the first time.. someone who isn't currently banned.. has won the coveted....
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 05, 2004, 08:43:00 AM
id even do it for free....
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 08:47:00 AM
He's fixed some God Awful boards for people.. he actually has the HALL OF SHAME pictures from stuff people have done.
Xeero might do it too.. look at his soldering skills in the big banner in my sig. His work is second to none.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 09:09:00 AM
Some people really should consider SOLDERLESS solutions to modding their XBOX.
Post by: Tidusblitz111 on February 05, 2004, 09:28:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 09:55:00 AM
you might want to recheck pin 1 + 11...
Are you checking this by touching the pins? (assuming they are still in there) or by direct contact to the LPC?
(I can't believe I'm still trying to help...)
Post by: KlanXX on February 05, 2004, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 10:03:00 AM
| QUOTE (Tidusblitz111 @ Feb 5 2004, 02:28 PM) |
| Shit, is pinheader install really that difficult, and what wires do you have to buy to do it? Man, If that is a Pin header install, then I think I should go quick-solder, no having to deal with LPC-something or others.... |
No.. PINHEADER can be one of the easiest methods. Especially if your LPC hole are clean to start with.
His mistake.. apparently.. was being ignorant or arrogant.. or both.. and thinking he knew what he was doing.
Do not Let KLAXX' fuckup deter you from trying one of the preferred methods of installing a modchip.
Pin Header Install when done right is a clean and simple process. However.. learn from KLAXX mistakes.
Test soldering on something not important.. like DEAD radio pcb.. or dead video card etc. Read the guides in the Tut section. Don't be afraid because there are alot of them.
We have guides on basic soldering, basic method to fix fuckups.. etc.
It's all pretty much a matter of reading.
His biggest mistake.. and most laughable.. was he removed the proper pin from the pin header.. and still managed to put it in the wrong place. (on his first attempt.. he "fixes" this on his second)
Study the Chip install diagrams over and over.. and match them to your motherboard. Keep them onscreen.. or print them large.
Mistakes like this don't need to happen.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 10:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (KlanXX @ Feb 5 2004, 02:28 PM) |
| u put me on ur web iste man that ain't cool....... |
Someone had to be the first.
Trust me.. you won't be the last. Lefty got some even worse than yours.. from people who fucked up big time.
... not much worse mind you ...
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 10:07:00 AM
You'd be surprised what we can see in a picture.. that you might not be able to.. while you are sitting there feeling frustrated.
Post by: Tidusblitz111 on February 05, 2004, 10:13:00 AM
am now 13, and decided I should open it up and practice soldering before my chip gets here(I ordered from Xbox-wired on the first). Anyways, I opened up the rumble robot, heated up a solder pad to the audio and disconnected a wire. when I turned on my R.R. no audio came up. Well, I soldered it back on and the audio comes on now, what I am asking, is if this is the type of work I will be doing on the xbox(as far as difficulty.)?
P.S. sorry for such a long post.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 10:21:00 AM
| QUOTE (Tidusblitz111 @ Feb 5 2004, 03:13 PM) |
| ok, I was going to do a quick-solder originally, but if Pinheader is more reliable, then I will definitely go that route! I do have one question though...when I was 10 I got a Rumble Robot, and used it once. I am now 13, and decided I should open it up and practice soldering before my chip gets here(I ordered from Xbox-wired on the first). Anyways, I opened up the rumble robot, heated up a solder pad to the audio and disconnected a wire. when I turned on my R.R. no audio came up. Well, I soldered it back on and the audio comes on now, what I am asking, is if this is the type of work I will be doing on the xbox(as far as difficulty.)? P.S. sorry for such a long post. |
Doing a quick solder method.. is not advisable for you. Quick Solder is mostly a holdover for the pro installers. It's there so that can quickly mod a box and get it out the door without removing alot of extra screws and removing the motherboard.
Also.. Quick Solder method will be a pain for the average modder to remove later down the road if you decide to remove the chip.
My recommendation.. any method OTHER THAN the quick solder method.
As for your practice.. sounds like you got the right idea. Keep in mind that the spots you will do on the XBOX will likley be much smaller.
If you don't have FLUX.. get some. Some Braid too. Check the TUT section for beginers guides to soldering etc.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 10:23:00 AM
| QUOTE (guitardork864 @ Feb 5 2004, 03:13 PM) |
| lol hsdemonz if i sent you a pic of my 1.4 mobo you'd put me on your site. Your right, btw. In my case, its NOT a good idea for a soldering n00b to test his skills soldering a 29 wire homebrew on his only xbox mother board lol. BTW Hsdemonz, i'd consider it an honor to be on your site. my mobo is truly f'ed up, it has like 1 broken trace and like 6 burnt ones. |
Please send it.
Being in the HALL of SHAME is about fucking up.. and being able to laugh at it.
You learned from the experience right? That's what really counts.
Have you got that all fixed? Either way.. hook me up plz.
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 05, 2004, 10:26:00 AM
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on February 05, 2004, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 05, 2004, 12:07:00 PM
::EDIT:: There he confirmed it... you really just made everyones day here... I was gonna go burn so i could get my work done faster but this shit was great..... now all of the ITs(well there is only 4 of us here) are rollin because of that pic....
Post by: Chancer on February 05, 2004, 12:20:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| PINHEADER can be one of the easiest methods |
Absolutely. I reckon every chip should be that way. I usually fit a pinheader when doing Aladdins and if you work through it carefully it is very straight forward.
I think sometimes people maybe guess how and where the mod should fit rather than spend an hour or so looking at and printing off the install pictures.
PS the gallery is great and some really neat PS2 installs on the site too.
Post by: Tidusblitz111 on February 05, 2004, 12:39:00 PM
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 05, 2004, 12:49:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 04:13:00 PM
Well..
Thanks for the additional pictures..
Now where do we start.. you said last I checked in.. that the XBOX wil function with no chip.. but frags if you attach the chip.
Well.. if this was any normal modder.. I'd say Check D0 and check your points... however.. since you've assured us your points are good and your soldering skill is sound.. lets take a look at your pics shall we?
Good news.. nothing really bad to say about this one. Bad angle but clear shot nevertheless.
Next...
Hmm.. nice shot.. decent view.. now lets fire up the trust computers in the BATCAVE...
HOLY RAISED PINHEADERS BATMAN. WTF is that?
The Pinheader is clearly raised.. and then you soldered a marble to the pin header on pin 2. Did you ever intend to mount a chip on that header? From the looks of it from this angle.. the chip would only go half way down that pin header.
Also noticable... is that the Pin Header is clearly not straight.. look at the rows of pins.. they should be perpendicular to each other (yes people.. I said perpendicular.. I did go to school too.)
I think we need to see this from another angle.. Robin.. if you'll do the honours...
<click>
Wow.. you do have a nice camera. I wish most of my shots were that sharp. Something is clearly wrong with that pin header though.. let's looks CLOSER....
Ahh.. it's all so clear now.
Actually.. it's not clear at all what you think you are trying to do. At the point I marked one. (pin 15) the pin header looks like you mounted it more or less flush to the motherboard.
Now.. look at pin 1.. what is that marble doing between the motherboard and the black plastic? and why have you not cleaned the mess you made on the pin header before re-soldering it. From the looks of it.. point 2 as marked in the picture.. is probably NOT even soldered to the LPC holes.
It looks like it's just sitting there in place.
This is the best advice you will get on this board.. assuming your chip still works.. assuming your pin header is still usable.. assuming your LPC isn't fried..
PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY.. GET A PRO TO FIX AND FINISH THIS MESS.
It's clear you still don't know what you are doing.. and nothing we have said has sunk in yet.
Stop torturing that motherboard. The only good thing we have learned.. is that the Motherboard is clearly tough and can withstand the extreme conditions you are throwing at it.
Multiple solder attempt.. bending the Pinheader like a rollercoaster.. frying the lpc (or at least trying too)
PLEASE.. get a pro. Hell.. get a 5 year old. Anyone who can read guides.. follow pictures.. (you clearly did not look at the nice PINHEADER pics I posted otherwise you would not show us these and say you know what you are doing..)
Please.. (3rd time) get help.
KLAXX XBOX - R.I.P.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 05, 2004, 04:14:00 PM
Post by: Tidusblitz111 on February 05, 2004, 04:24:00 PM
(Your chip and Mobo) man, you are so screwed...I am glad I learned from Demonz what to do and from Klan what not to do....Umm...what are all those wires for...they can't all be d0.
Post by: XJericRK on February 05, 2004, 04:28:00 PM
Post by: Tidusblitz111 on February 05, 2004, 05:27:00 PM
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on February 05, 2004, 05:41:00 PM
*cough* tidusblitz111 *cough*HSDEMONZ, you're scaring me...
but not as much as KlanXX's soldering job! The real question... will we see a part 4?
Post by: geniusalz on February 05, 2004, 06:13:00 PM
Post by: guitardork864 on February 05, 2004, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 06, 2004, 02:37:00 AM
| QUOTE (lip @ Feb 5 2004, 11:19 PM) |
| Maybe instead of bad mouthing this guy, a little encouragement and plain instructions instead of "do a search", "your soldering sucks", "you are a tool", etc....... Do you honestly think you are helping this guy out by making fun of him. You are all a bunch of a**h**es for doing this...I thought most of you were better than this from your previous mails... To the poor soul who's motherboard seems fried...leave me a message and I'll try and help you out. Your soldering skills are not necessarily lacking as much as the soldering iron you are using ( this is probably your problem). |
Lord knows I've tried to help.
He still hasn't told us what guide told him to do that.
He said this wasn't his first soldering project. He said he knows what he's doing.
He said he "fixed" his soldering. Looks at the pictures.. you tell me if he has.
He's got guides.. he's got MY pictures to show him how to do it.
How does he go from his buggered first install when I show him how the pinheader should look to his third attempt with a raised pinheader covered in much and twisted like a rollercoaster.
I'm glad you are offering him some direct help. What he needs to do is CLEAN up his pinheader.. chean his motherboard assuming it can be.. and take the time to read.. review the photos posted here and other official sources.. then take a crack at it.
Also.. he could be using a 15, 30 or higher soldering iron.. and it STILL WOULD NOT BE the reason all this has happened. He's continuing to make the same mistakes over and over.. and not looking at the pictures.
I do hope you can and will help him. If not for him.. and least for that tortured board. It's been thought enough pain and suffering.
I will however continue to help and offer advice.
CLEAN that pinheader, straighten it or replace with a new one.. clean the LPC top and botton.. and redo all the D0 attempts (and clean out the likely bridges.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 06, 2004, 02:38:00 AM
Post by: psychoace on February 06, 2004, 06:09:00 AM
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 06, 2004, 06:29:00 AM
Post by: Tidusblitz111 on February 06, 2004, 06:48:00 AM
So, I will check out Radioshack, and I was thinking, maybe a soldering gun would not be such a bad idea for his install, being he obviously does not know how to use a soldering pencil/iron.
Anyways off to the stores to look for the screwdrivers, and flux...and an kynar 30wag for the d0.
Post by: Tidusblitz111 on February 06, 2004, 07:00:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 06, 2004, 09:22:00 AM
| QUOTE (evoxreloaded @ Feb 6 2004, 11:29 AM) |
| these pics from the demon are monterous....i cant stop laughing... and from the looks of it neither can anyone else.. are there any pics of a bad ps2 modchip install that would be funny all those wires everywhere.... or at least a 29 wire fuck up... |
Actually.. I now have a new entry in the HALL of SHAME.. a 29 wire mod.. where we see the damage of the original mod attempt before it was fixed.
Click my large banner.. and go to the HALL of SHAME.
| QUOTE |
| This is a first for me. DAmn this guy is really persistent to get his board fried eh? I installed pin headers 1st time and it's 10 times better that what we see in the pics. Damn he should get better hands or better skills man |
It's not that (or not JUST that)
It seems to be a failure to follow instructions and to review what has been given to him.
In highschool.. we had a Geography Teacher.. MR KOROL.. who used to say "The greatest cause of Failure.. is the failure to follow instructions!"
I went to my Ten Year Anniversary/Alumni party a few years ago. Met up with him.. and realized that all I could remember from taking Grade 9 and 12 Geo with him was that quote. Seems to be the most valuable lesson he taught me.
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 06, 2004, 09:49:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 06, 2004, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 06, 2004, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 06, 2004, 01:31:00 PM
Post by: DeAdGuY on February 06, 2004, 03:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (evoxreloaded @ Feb 6 2004, 07:49 PM) |
| demon-dude you fuckin rock and your page is also at a level for the techies here at hendry... we would like more of this as it now acts as the funnie papers for us.... |
hahaha....i think demonz should archive this thread to match up with the pics
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on February 07, 2004, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: Ace25 on February 08, 2004, 08:42:00 AM
| QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Feb 6 2004, 10:22 AM) |
| Actually.. I now have a new entry in the HALL of SHAME.. a 29 wire mod.. where we see the damage of the original mod attempt before it was fixed. |
Am I missing something? I really do not see anything wrong with the 29Wire mod removal other than the fact there is A LOT of left over flux on the motherboard. It's not a burnt motherboard, just brown from so much flux.. which won't hurt anything. I dont think the 29 wire mod deserves to be in the hall of shame, but the Xentium install defiantely does.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 08, 2004, 12:28:00 PM
Also.. scorching like that.. is not necessary. It shouldn't happen. That is contact from over-exposure to the hot iron. Clealry someone who had not read any of the basic solder guides anywhere.
A properly heated iron and tip.. does the job nearly instantaneously.
Post by: XxHotBmxManxX on February 08, 2004, 01:04:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 18, 2004, 04:48:00 AM
http://forums.xbox-s...dpost&p=1158293
Good luck.
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 18, 2004, 06:04:00 AM
Did you end up fixing it?
Post by: NightL1fe on February 18, 2004, 09:30:00 AM
$80 lesson .. leave it to the pro's
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 18, 2004, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 19, 2004, 07:43:00 PM
Post by: evoxreloaded on February 20, 2004, 08:10:00 AM
Post by: flamelan on February 20, 2004, 08:20:00 AM
He sure dont give up easily! Post by: HSDEMONZ on February 20, 2004, 08:38:00 AM
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on February 20, 2004, 11:06:00 AM
Post by: bishop05 on February 20, 2004, 12:56:00 PM