Post by: legueux on January 08, 2004, 04:51:00 PM
But it's me or a lot of features of XeniumOS have been forgotten ?
Post by: Morglum on January 08, 2004, 04:57:00 PM
EDIT: Removed comment as this thread got moved into another forum...
Post by: blackbishop on January 08, 2004, 04:58:00 PM
As for the mem upgrade that's what the SPI port ... offers endless possible hardware upgrades
Post by: Morglum on January 08, 2004, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: legueux on January 08, 2004, 05:06:00 PM
Post by: Flagg3 on January 08, 2004, 05:26:00 PM
What's truely sad is this quote form Team Xecuters site:
"Other teams have felt the need to publish comparison charts in the past so we thought why not? "
For those of us that are not living on Animal Farm, and can remember what actually happened, know that Team Xecuter was the one who posted an absurd one sided comparison chart, and AFTERWARDS the Xodus Team responded with a just as absurdly one sided chart to show how meaningless they were.
The really sad part is that I had actually forgotten how much I had started to despise the Xecuter Team when they started pulling that crap. Just like the other stupid chart they had published, they ding the Xenium for stupid, meaningless features that are available in every BIOS.
Change Startup colors?
Change fan speed?
Change Power LED colors?
Gimme a break. Any modchip is fully capable of these features right now. These are BIOS features, and regardless of whether they are enabled in the XeniumOS or not, they easily could be.
And of course, half of the comparisons are just plain wrong.
No Solder Uninstall?
Not that it's a big deal either way, but whether your using the Pogo Pin adapter or the header pin, both of these would be a yes.
EVERY SINGLE SOFTWARE FEATURE listed is B.S., period. Regardless of whether they are actually in there or not, Team Xecuter has a lot of freaking nerve to say that the XeniumOS, which is still not final - won't have certain features that the NOWHERE NEAR shipping X3 will have? Any one of the software features that they list could easily be included in both the X3 and the Xenium. I think it's fair to say that you can't ding a competitor for not including a software feature yet, when you have nothing available right now to compare to.
The disclaimer: "Note that one or two of the X3 software features may not make it onto the bios in time for the retail release but you can be sure they will be available soon after." only proves the point. Funny how Team Xecuter gives themselves kudos for features that they plan on someday including in the future, but the ozXodus team gets a big red NO for not shipping with a feature that Team Xecuter doesn't even know if it will be in the shipping version or not!
Very, Very sad. The way I see it, Team Xecuter doesn't like when someone beats them, and they get really childish and start throwing tatrums when they do.
When the Matrix shipped, it was better than the X1, which was all that Team Xecuter had out at the time. They kept bashing and bashing it, saying how crappy it was and how the X2 was gonna kick it's ass. They kept their mouths shut when the Chameleon came out because it wasn't any better than the X2. (No worse either mind you, just equal. Plus it sold nowhere near as well as the X2 so they could live with it.)
Now that the Xenium is coming out, they are back to their old ways. They can't stand someone beating them and they simply resort to more childish moronic behavior.
Flagg
Post by: Morglum on January 08, 2004, 05:32:00 PM
Post by: legueux on January 08, 2004, 05:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (Kazaki @ Jan 9 2004, 03:40 AM) |
| My only hope is that OzXodus doesn't retaliate in a foolish or childish manner. Please, ignore the chart, ok?  Shut them up by just releasing the ground breaking chip you people have worked hard on....Ok, maybe not GROUND BREAKING, but hey. At least it tries new things instead of adding leds to their external adapter and speeding up the CPLD (what does that do...?) I'm not bashing Xecuter's chips, they're rather good actually. I'm bashing their tactics at bashing other chips, it was just uncalled for and I can't seem to find the "X2 vs Xenium" comparison they claimed was posted. Link plz. |
I've also searched for this chart X2 vs Xenium and have not find it
Post by: Flagg3 on January 08, 2004, 05:53:00 PM
| QUOTE (legueux @ Jan 8 2004, 10:49 PM) |
| I've also searched for this chart X2 vs Xenium and have not find it |
Has anyone ever seen this chart? This is the first I've ver heard of it.
Flagg
Post by: BenJeremy on January 08, 2004, 05:55:00 PM
Would XODUS care to comment on their thoughts?
Team Xecuter seems to be lowering themselves into the much again.
Much as I was disappointed by the Xenium "Executed" comment, this chart is a bit disappointing, not so much for it's content, but for the tone and the fact that the X3 is not out yet.
It is an enlightening list of features for the new chips, without some of the BS of the old chip, plus the timing is a hair better (though still a bit close to Christmas).
Overall, the comparison isn't completely fair... the X3 has taken a new approach apparently (it would be interesting to see it in action), though some of the new things are incredibly vague (Enable Debug BIOS? WTF? I've got a Debug BIOS on my X2 Pro and my Chameleon What does this mean?). The other small thing that's a bit messed up is the 256k dedicated BIOS thing... the Xenium is doing the same thing with it's XeniumOS - just that it's using half of the flash for that feature, whereas the X3 has a dedicated ROM.
While I'm sure the Team Xecuter guys are pissing all over themselves in excitement over the X3, they should know, as well as anybody, that unless the chip lives up to the hype that keeps bursting forth - and does it SOON - this chapter will go down in history as a big bust in the scene.
Overall, it looks like the Xenium is a very nice, competent effort, clearly a "next generation" chip. The X3 looks like a generation further... so comparing them may not be fair at all, anyway. Of course, there are no X3 chips in circulation so it's all hype and speculation at this point.
If nothing else, Team Executer has painted themselves into a corner and now it will soon be time for them to "put up or shut up". I hope it all lives up to the hype (I don't see why not, at this point), but if it take more than a month to deliver, I think they will be fair game for the criticism that will befall them (and all of their own words dredged up).
OzXodus didn't need to take the dig, but it was a small shot. It didn't demand a full broadsides.
Post by: lamrith on January 08, 2004, 06:02:00 PM
I got the exact same feeling when I saw the chart. I know NOTHING about mod chips really, other than the comparison chart on this site and misc. write-ups and reviews. That and the eye opening thread the other day about various xecuter team past issues and actions, then the whole, thisis out last BIOS though we still will sell old chips... Maybe the fake issue was real, maybe not, I cannot call it either way, but it sure raises eyebrows.
This chart just smacks of pure smelly propaganda, not even worth the bytes it is stored on. And the fact that X3 does not even have a release date or full featureset 100% finalized makes it even worse. I PREFFER Softcoded stuff, it is easier to upgrade later!! Look sat PC's.. Mfg's always release upgraded BIOS to include new HD and CPU compatibility. Gee I wonder what they could do with that 1mb reserved flash memory?? HRMM let me think.....
OH I KNOW, MORE FEATURES!!
I will put it quite simply I BADLY want(ed) a mod chip, I was all set to buy a xbit but they are soldout, then I said ok X2lite, found one local, then heard this various BS floating around. Needless to say,I bought a bottom of the barrel $10 cheapmod to get me thru until something better comes out. The Xenium looks to be that chip. Either way I will not buy a Xecuter product.
Quit the mudslinging and get your buts back on the test bench, maybe you would have been 1st to market!! LESS TALK MORE WORK!
Post by: Jedi_Rainman on January 08, 2004, 06:13:00 PM
Okay, since the table is so biased, then I'll re-decide once I see the new features that the Xenium has!
Post by: lamrith on January 08, 2004, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: lamrith on January 08, 2004, 06:36:00 PM
I just wish the X team would give us more CONCRETE info on features and release date/price rather than playing politics.
Post by: assmonkey on January 08, 2004, 06:40:00 PM
cheapmod all the way
Post by: ZildjianKX on January 08, 2004, 06:58:00 PM
The only things I even care about in a modchip are:
1 meg of BIOS memory
Software flashable
USB flashable
And pin header and pogo pin options
Can turn be disabled
The rest is just crap to me. All a modchip needs to really do is hold a BIOS and be flashable... that's been done... now modchips makers are just trying to milk the scene with what's "new and great"... when honestly a USB flashable version of the Xecuter 2 Pro would have been all anyone could ever really need.
Post by: Xeero on January 08, 2004, 07:04:00 PM
Post by: feflicker on January 08, 2004, 08:08:00 PM
All I can say is this: When people come to me and ask for the best modchip/bios on the market, I say X2 and X2... And I have installed/used all of the gen3 chips
And glancing at the "features" of the new 4th gen chips, I'd have to once again say Xecuter... But to be fair, I obviously haven't tried any of them yet
One thing everyone needs to understand: To consumers, such as myself, we don't care who thought of what first, who got the "scoop", who has the best publicity, etc. All We care about is getting the best product for our $, that is why I prefer Xecuter... Not because of any other childish reasons, such as infighting or "mod-wars"
Post by: feflicker on January 08, 2004, 08:14:00 PM
BTW, I have installed/used Matrix and Chameleon... So I am not impartial because I haven't even seen the other chips... Just my opinion...
Post by: BlitzPA9 on January 08, 2004, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: feflicker on January 08, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: Flagg3 on January 08, 2004, 08:52:00 PM
Flagg
Post by: Xbox-Savage on January 08, 2004, 09:07:00 PM
Im an Xecuter user till i die or until somebody else makes something better 
Post by: Morglum on January 08, 2004, 09:11:00 PM
| QUOTE (Xbox-Savage @ Jan 9 2004, 07:07 AM) |
| Im an Xecuter user till i die or until somebody else makes something better |
So you're getting the Xenium in a few weeks then
Post by: jokk on January 08, 2004, 09:31:00 PM
Bigger Better ? NO
Post by: ZildjianKX on January 08, 2004, 10:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (jokk @ Jan 8 2004, 10:31 PM) |
| MODCHIPS GeNeRaTioN.1 Xtender Vs. Enigmah (xecutor) and the winner Xtender for its full bios remplacement MODCHIPS GeNeRaTioN.2 There is no exeuctor chip in this Generation. MODCHIPS GeNeRaTioN.3a Xecuter 1.0 & 1.1 vs Aladdin Pandora2 and the winner is Aladdin Pandora2 for supporting xbox v1.2 Modchip GeNeRaTioN.3b X2 lite Vs Chameleon and the winner is Chameleon : flash tsop w/o addon, first mod with software controll (a15 controll) X2 pro Vs NitroX and the winner is NitroX for its LPT port used to flash the chip (8months before X2 pro), controlled with power/eject button w/o addon X2 pro Vs Xbit and the winner is Xbit for being the first usb flashable mod, controlled by eject/power button w/o addon.. Biased ? not really it's based on : Generation 3b mods comparison table The legitimate question now is why there is so much X2 users ? Because of the Big name of executor in the bios developement. But as UberGeek stated their Bios is developed for free, so no relation with their mods. <Iriez> xecuter bases their bios's off of the debug sources It says all, executor won't share the kernel scrs to keep their big name. Sharing those sources would bring great evolution in the bios developement but xecutor doesn't care. Money Money, Money, Money.... I hope one day people will stop buying their mod cause of the hype made all around it... Stop trusting people implied in the buissness Bigger Better ? NO |
I'm not sure if I agree with the who mod comparisons... When I first got into the scene it was PC-BIOXX vs the Xecuter "No solder" chip, and of course I got the PC-BIOXX since it was actually flashable... but the Matrix was the best overall to me since it was software flashable.
The next gen I would was the Xecuter 2 Lite and Pro, followed by a very late Camelion, with the Pro winning since it was out so much sooner than the cameleon.
Post by: Psilocybe on January 08, 2004, 10:16:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Where exactly is the X3? The only one I know of is made by BMW and that one works wonderfully. The virtual X3 is promising a 400 mhz cpld controller which will only ever be clocked at 33mhz. Imagine your BMW X3 with a 4.2 V8 engine and 200 miles per hour on the clock which is governed at 20 miles per hour!! |
i'm pretty sure he meant the Z3, not x3 so this is out the door, thanks for trying to be funny though
| QUOTE |
| We will not retaliate. |
yet we get that whole big ass responce to the charts? wow someone sounds scared
| QUOTE |
| Only four samples of Xenium have been produced and shipped. Is it not funny that comparison tables are being done without ever having seen or used either product? The side-splitting table we have seen reads more like the X3 wish list than actual reality. |
hmm seems as though they do have your chip
*edit, didn't notice someone already posted the pic, oh well
Post by: lookformeb on January 08, 2004, 10:18:00 PM
| QUOTE (Morglum @ Jan 9 2004, 01:11 AM) | ||
So you're getting the Xenium in a few weeks then |
If this is the kind of refutation we can expect from the Xenium community, Xecuter users will long see the day when they feel the need to purchase one of Xeniums products...
Post by: heinrich on January 08, 2004, 10:19:00 PM
Post by: red-force on January 08, 2004, 10:21:00 PM
Back to the scene, my hopes would be for all chip designers to not "bi*ch and whine" and just make kick butt chips that do the talking for them. In that case it would be better for all us "consumers".
Anyways thats just my 2 cents.
Post by: Psilocybe on January 08, 2004, 10:23:00 PM
Post by: Morglum on January 08, 2004, 10:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (Psilocybe @ Jan 9 2004, 08:23 AM) |
| truth be told the main bios that will be loaded through the forced XUI you must boot will be an Xecuter bios. |
And how the hell do you work that one out? I dont use xecuter bioses because they give me nothing but shit, as they do many people whos xboxs i have chipped and even more that i havent, yet whenever using an evox bios in exactly the same scenario i have smooth runnings all the way. I'll never use an xecuter bios so long as ive got a hole in my arse.
Post by: lookformeb on January 08, 2004, 10:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (Morglum @ Jan 9 2004, 02:25 AM) |
| And how the hell do you work that one out? I dont use xecuter bioses because they give me nothing but shit, as they do many people whos xboxs i have chipped and even more that i havent, yet whenever using an evox bios in exactly the same scenario i have smooth runnings all the way. I'll never use an xecuter bios so long as ive got a hole in my arse. |
Your boyfriend just ripped you a new one... what does that mean now?
Ok, don't take that seriously... not trying to start a flame war, just making the point that this entire topic is pointless. Let's start one in the Xecuter forums and see what kinda of response we get...
Post by: CrazyPale on January 08, 2004, 10:45:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on January 08, 2004, 10:47:00 PM
There is a link to this thread in the xecuter forum, helps keep all the bullshit together.
Post by: Morglum on January 08, 2004, 10:49:00 PM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Jan 9 2004, 08:44 AM) |
| Your boyfriend just ripped you a new one... what does that mean now? |
Just shows the maturety of the average xecuter user, need i say more...
Post by: lookformeb on January 08, 2004, 11:05:00 PM
| QUOTE (Morglum @ Jan 9 2004, 02:49 AM) |
| Just shows the maturety of the average xecuter user, need i say more... |
Did you mean maturity?
Post by: lookformeb on January 08, 2004, 11:07:00 PM
| QUOTE (heinrich @ Jan 9 2004, 02:47 AM) |
| ...or not There is a link to this thread in the xecuter forum, helps keep all the bullshit together. |
At least you're keeping it all in the right forum...
Post by: clarke1866 on January 08, 2004, 11:08:00 PM
Post by: Morglum on January 08, 2004, 11:10:00 PM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Jan 9 2004, 09:05 AM) | ||
Did you mean maturity? |
Shock
Horror i made a typo Grow the fuck up child.
Post by: Psilocybe on January 08, 2004, 11:11:00 PM
Post by: heinrich on January 08, 2004, 11:12:00 PM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Jan 9 2004, 04:07 AM) | ||
At least you're keeping it all in the right forum... |
Heh, wasn't quite the intention for it to appear that way, another mod moved this thread here, and I can only assume that it was for good reason.
I myself plan on staying out of this for the most part, as I havent seen a final design for either chip.
Something for all: sapiens nihil affirmat quod non probat
Post by: SniperKilla on January 08, 2004, 11:19:00 PM
just another example of why i stay away from xodus/evox developments lol
Post by: Psilocybe on January 08, 2004, 11:52:00 PM
Post by: animex2 on January 09, 2004, 01:04:00 AM
Comon xecuter people, what happened to fair compitition?
Post by: SniperKilla on January 09, 2004, 01:14:00 AM
| QUOTE (tiger @ Jan 9 2004, 08:40 AM) |
| SniperKilla u said "just another example of why i stay away from xodus/evox developments" y do u spend time in this forum then???? go to the forum that represents u, and leave the rest of us alone!!!!!!!  |
i was linked here from people laughing at the chip in #xboxhacker.. thank you very much, now you go away.
and to you animex2.. lets not forget xodus posted a comparison chart of their own long ago.. matrix vs xecuter 2.. that claimed the matrix was better because it had 53 components and the xecuter had 8... HAHA.. very funny joke.
xecuter has done nothing on the offensive in this "war" all they did was put up a chart in defense of the first OzXodus attacks.. then they go and attack them again after that... LAME SHIT..
| QUOTE |
| X3 can have Bios that can have the Colors changed and the Xenium Cannot |
id rather have that over a stupid "os" that loads on every boot
LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME
Post by: swolsten on January 09, 2004, 01:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (SniperKilla @ Jan 9 2004, 10:14 AM) | ||||
i was linked here from people laughing at the chip in #xboxhacker.. thank you very much, now you go away. and to you animex2.. lets not forget xodus posted a comparison chart of their own long ago.. matrix vs xecuter 2.. that claimed the matrix was better because it had 53 components and the xecuter had 8... HAHA.. very funny joke. xecuter has done nothing on the offensive in this "war" all they did was put up a chart in defense of the first OzXodus attacks.. then they go and attack them again after that... LAME SHIT..
id rather have that over a stupid "os" that loads on every boot LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME |
You mean to tell me you would sacrifice all the functionality that xenium-os is going to offer over a colormod bios that can be done in XBTool anyway. And the "os" wont load on every boot, it only adds 3-4 second delay on power-on and not on a reboot.
Has anyone ever thought to try something before the slag it off? No wonder this was all kept quite until just before release date.
Post by: SniperKilla on January 09, 2004, 01:39:00 AM
| QUOTE (swolsten @ Jan 9 2004, 10:24 AM) | ||||||
You mean to tell me you would sacrifice all the functionality that xenium-os is going to offer over a colormod bios that can be done in XBTool anyway. And the "os" wont load on every boot, it only adds 3-4 second delay on power-on and not on a reboot. Has anyone ever thought to try something before the slag it off? No wonder this was all kept quite until just before release date. |
wasent it already said it was going to load on every boot? i believe it was.. and 3-4 seconds? and you cant disable it? blah! i chopped off the intro video to save time, lets just go add 4 seconds to boot time for no reason...
anything their little os can do can be controlled by hardware switches, so why extend my boot time when i can have switches that do the same things, and no one changes bios enough to actually need that shit to load every boot
From the xbox-scene sample review thing..
| QUOTE |
| The modchip will always boot to XeniumOS first. There you can reboot your xbox with the bios bank you select or boot with the onboard bios (modchip disabled). |
ohh.. ohhh.. whats that i read?
Post by: SniperKilla on January 09, 2004, 02:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (Kazaki @ Jan 9 2004, 10:51 AM) | ||
Ahem. "WELCOME TO MS WINDOWS XP PRO/HOME! We greatly welcome you for pressing your power button, and incase you forgot who oWnZ your computer, it's US! Now wait for the lil green/blue bar to stop moving.... WELCOME TO THE MS WINDOWS XP LOGIN PAGE! Here, you will be featured to MORE proof that we're Windows!" lol, eh, that wasn't all too great of a counter(on my part), but at least we all know we're already go through it. I think the XeniumOS thing will take a sort of... POST thing. Press button to get to settings, nothing in one second and it loads the default BIOs you set.Ah, which reminds me. Hello Xecuter fans! *waves hello* Intresting to see them fighting over the consumer, logical but... a bit too soon I'd say. |
hehe yea, but we can change the way windows boots
Post by: theplowking on January 09, 2004, 05:34:00 AM
| QUOTE (animex2 @ Jan 9 2004, 11:04 AM) |
| Wow... I just looked at the Xecuter3 vs Xenium chart and i thought it was really stupid, how Team Xecuter said their X3 can have Bios that can have the Colors changed and the Xenium Cannot... I think that it is complete crap on the entire software table.... Both chips can have pretty much all the same features.... AND WHY WOULD YOU WANT A 4/8 MB ATTACHMENT FOR YOUR BIOS? x.x Comon xecuter people, what happened to fair compitition? |
look closer everyone, xecuter is saying the X3 can change all of those *bios related things* on the fly
thats what the comparison is talking about
oh yea, and xeniumOS and X3Live sound like the same thing to me
| QUOTE |
| Being able to not only control the mod (which the xenium is limited to) but also to take complete control of every bios setting on the fly - we call this X3 Config Live. |
we will see how this plays out
-plowking
Post by: Xeero on January 09, 2004, 08:16:00 AM
In any case, what a shitfest this thread has turned into...
Post by: jive on January 09, 2004, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: geeky2003 on January 09, 2004, 02:04:00 PM
-=-=geeky
Post by: phigmeta on January 09, 2004, 02:08:00 PM
I would first start by saying.... I HATE the executer team.... but I have no particular fondness of the other manufactures. In my humble opinion ALL of the Modchip folks are childish and have no business being in the business world. With that said.... I present you with :
Technical Dissertation and explanation of each chips features and what they mean.
We will begin with the hardware features of each and explain in a technical manner what this actually means . And how it can benefit you.
Flash Memory
Well the flash memory in both is reported at 2 meg. It has been reported however that the Xen (Xenium) chip will use a portion of this for its xOS the X3 however has a separate bank for emergency access in the event that you fry your toy. This is basicly just 2 very different approaches to the same problem .
Winner: X3 - Josh I really dont care that much either way functionally speaking they both will do the job ALTHOUGH I would kinda like to see the ability to have a full configurable bios like a PC that can POST . Well either way I am not sure whos I will like better.
D0 Control
Once again this is a very similar system on both as a matter of fact its the same Molex connector that they use as for physical control well team Exucuter and the old exodus teams have always had a very different method of doing D0 Control . As of recently the X2 team has found it hard to perfect their methods whereas the Exodus team did not have as many problems with the whole voltage issue. This is primarily due to the basic overall design of the X2 . I would not call it flawed . Just a bit overcomplicated.
Winner: Xen . With software method and the ability to disable the chip without hardware switch.
CPLD controller
I was very sad to see this brought up by the executer team. Basically this is a bad, bad joke . The truth be told you will always be running at the same clock no matter how fast your CPLD is. (33mhz) this is proof of the executers arrogance thinking you would not know the difference. SHAME ON YOU. We back to the point the usefulness of either is highly in question I mean its a CPLD . Its as exciting at the Dallas Semiconductor RTC (Real Time Clock ya know the thing that keeps real time on your PC even though your FSB is overclocked) on your motherboard it is what it is
Winner: Well . Honestly everyones a winner here. But I am giving the Xen folks the prize for this one if for no other reason than they are not trying to be misleading.
Flash Upgrade
Hmm well . This is a VERY interesting addition to the X3 . Very interesting indeed. I like this addon but once again I think it has been executed in both chips just in a different manner. please to let me explain.
The method that they did the flash upgrade is a tad bit overcomplicated this I say is due to the fact that they use a separate bus to accomplish this (yes they could have used the i2c bus) of course this is not a point against them unless you are counting form as a point maker.
As for the Xen well this can EASIL be accomplished by the SPI port SPI is VERY fast and you could in theory put an unlimited amount of flash on it . Well there is a limited amount of space actually and even thought SPI runs at 1.5 the LPC is much slower
Winner: Xen with the elegant solution and less costly design .. this makes for less possibility of failure and fewer possible manufacture flaws.
External Mod Control
Well this is one place that X3 will certainly win out every time. BUT they are not using the i2c bus to do this thats too bad once again I am displeased by their inelegant design. But he bottom line is that they win on this one . Simple as that.
Winner: X3 . It should be noted that the SPI port could accomplish this and a lot more but due to the fact that as of yet there has been no announcement of an external mod sadly I must give this up to X3
Status Lights
Well this is one of those things that Executer team just flatly lied about on the comparison chart.
Both modchips can display the HDD activity and the LAN Activity. The key difference is that the XEN chip can be programmed to other functions.
Winner: Xen I want to be able to program what my led does.
I2C Bus /SPI bus
well this is going to the most contested part of the Modchip scene in the coming months.
First I will inundate you guys with a bunch of info on the I2c/SPI Differences and similarities.
(continued)
Post by: havocaose on January 09, 2004, 02:20:00 PM
| QUOTE (Psilocybe @ Jan 9 2004, 08:16 AM) |
| i'm pretty sure he meant the Z3, not x3 so this is out the door, thanks for trying to be funny though |
no dude.. bmw made the x5 around 2000, and they just released the new bmw suv (sAv
) x3.. i thought it was pretty funny when he said it.. reminds me of my moms x5 totalled in the junkyard... oops.. turn OFF tcs next time
Post by: phigmeta on January 09, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
Can I Connect a Serial A/D to My Computer's Serial Port?
The answer to this question is yes, but there are simpler ways to interface to a computer. To begin with, the computer's RS-232 port uses higher voltage levels that are incompatible with most ADC's TTL/CMOS logic. Another problem is that the computer's RS-232 serial port is asynchronous, which places a few more requirements on the communication, including some additional handshaking control lines. Also, with the RS-232 serial port, you must set both ends of the link to the same baud rate. The A/D converter's serial port is synchronous; thus, its handshaking requirements are minimal and it only requires one wire for clock and one or two wires for data.
If you are truly determined, you can bit-bang using the RS-232 port's handshake lines.
What Is Bit-Banging?
Bit-banging is a method of using general-purpose I/O lines to emulate a serial port. Microcontrollers that include serial-port modules like SPI[tm] and I2C[tm] manage all synchronization and timing signals, and this activity is transparent to the user. With bit-banging, however, each write to the port causes a single transition at the port pin. And it's up to the user, first, to provide the correct number of transitions to obtain the desired waveform and, second, to ensure that the timing requirements (particularly setup and hold times for reading and writing data) are met. Due to the overhead associated with the number of writes to the port, though the actual port speed might be quite high the actual bit-bang throughput rate is usually very slow. This technique is very inefficient from a software perspective, but it may be acceptable in some applications where the communication overhead is acceptable (for example for doing occasional controlling communication).
Microwire and SPI versus I2C
SPI is a close cousin of the older Microwire. Both interfaces are very simple and basically consist only of an 8-bit serial shift register and (for master devices) a programmable shift clock. There is no means of addressing devices. Typical applications consist of one master device (usually a microcontroller) and one or multiple slave devices (usually peripheral functions, like A/D, EEPROM, display drivers, etc.).
I2C is quite a bit more complex than SPI and Microwire, which results in a larger silicon area and therefore slightly more expensive devices. In addition Philips is collecting licensing fees for I2C implementations from competitors, adding to the cost of I2C devices.
Connecting External Peripherals
There is a minimum of 3 connections for SPI and Microwire: serial clock, serial data out and serial data in. Therefore you'll see those interfaces sometimes referred to as 3-wire interfaces. The interconnected devices need to also share the same Vcc and GND of course and in the case of multiple connected devices you need one chip select for each connected slave device (for just one slave, the slave's chip select can be enabled all the time not recommended, but possible).
If you want to connect N devices to your microcontroller with Microwire or SPI you need to sacrifice 3+N pins to do the job. This is an area where I2C has an advantage. I2C features a 7-bit address as part of the protocol. As such I2C can address up to 128 devices on the bus without the need for dedicated chip select signals.
The Need For Speed
Microwire and SPI shine when it comes to speed. I2C was initially specified at a maximum speed of 100kbits/sec. This was later increased to 400kbits/sec and lately some devices started to show up that boast 1Mbits/sec. This still pales in comparison to Microwire and SPI speeds. SPI has the edge over Microwire, due to the availability of higher speed peripheral devices. Today's serial EEPROM for example support up to 3MBits/s for Microwire and up to 10Mbits/sec for SPI. But even the slowest Microwire and SPI peripherals still beat the typical 100 or 400kbit/s I2C speeds.
Increasing the speed gap is the fact that SPI and Microwire have fullduplex capability (can receive and send data at the same time), while I2C, due to its two-wire nature (one clock, one data) can only communicate half-duplex.
Why can speed be important? Current consumption for one - many microcontroller applications spend most of their time in power save modes and only short periods of time in "normal" operating mode. The faster a read or write operation to a peripheral can be completed, the shorter the time the controller needs to be active. This is especially true for access to large external EEPROM memories.
Multi-Master Systems
I2C offers better support for multi-master systems. The interface has built in arbitration to detect multiple devices sending on the bus at the same time and to give priority to the one that first sends a "0". Microwire would require some software implemented handshaking via a standard I/O pin to allow for multiple master devices on the bus. SPI has a crude way to support multi-master systems via its built in "fault logic". It can detect requests of devices to become the master via the dedicated SS (slave select) pin.
Noise Immunity
One possible disadvantage of I2C should not go unmentioned: Higher noise sensitivity and along with it lower data integrity. I2C uses a read/write bit which follows the initial 7 address bits to tell a peripheral whether data should be read or written. In addition I2C is level sensitive - in contrast to Microwire and SPI, which are edge sensitive. This means that I2C samples data during the high or low phase of a bit and you can easily envision that noise could flip the read/write bit. So if you wanted to read data from your external EEPROM, but noise turned your read bit into a write bit, your memory might get corrupted. Microwire and SPI peripherals on the other hand implement read and write operations via explicit commands send over the bus, making selecting the "wrong" operation less likely.
So which synchronous interface should you give the preference?
If you have many devices to connect and in addition have multiple microcontrollers in your system that can act as masters, then I2C is the interface of choice. The same holds true if you need to keep the number of interconnects, board routing and pins required for the interface to an absolute minimum. The I2C interface is very popular in video and audio applications, due to Philips' (microcontroller & application specific peripheral) dominance in those applications. If you develop such applications you might not find your desired peripheral function with any other interface.
If your main concerns are low cost, high speed or noise immunity, either Microwire or SPI are preferable. An added advantage is that MICROWIRE/PLUS microcontrollers can talk to SPI peripherals and SPI microcontrollers can talk to Microwire peripherals with minimum additional software overhead, which gives you a large selection of available peripherals to choose from for most applications.
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Post by: phigmeta on January 09, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
SPI's and Microwire's full duplex capability and fast data rates make those interfaces very efficient and simple for single master - single slave applications. In practical applications, the requirement for dedicated slave select signals severely limits the number of slave devices that can be connected to a microcontroller. Multi-master systems significantly increase complexity and are very rarely used with those two interfaces.
I2C's lower speed and more complex protocol put it at a disadvantage in single master-single slave applications. Its weakness turns into strength if a larger number of slave devices needs to be connected or a multi-master system is needed.
All three interfaces have the advantage of being tolerant to large oscillator variations, as all data transfers are synchronized to the master's shift clock. As synchronous interfaces they are, however, limited to bridging short distances on a single PCB or between PCBs within a smaller system. When it comes to bridging larger distances or connecting external devices, asynchronous interfaces play a dominant role and we will start looking at some of them in part 3 of this series.
ONE NOTE: the i2c bus is actually already ON the Xbox and is actually Accessible via the LPC . So in reality the only thing the executer did for this is just make the modchip addressable via i2c .. not a huge deal but it is kinda nice.
Winner: XEN
With a higher bus speed and a more flexible architecture the SPI port allows for a more elegant design and upgrade path.
LPT/USB Programmer
Well I have to give this to the X3 team though I am almost positive that the XEN team will make an external programmer.
Winner: X3
FINAL CONCLUSTION
With all of the talk about the X3 Live feature I have to simply say . I wil believe it when I see it now I am not saying it wont happen but I just dont have any facts . This post only deals with things that a factual . If I was to base my judgement on promises then I would pick the X3 . But truth be told I dont and because the XEN team has made no promises then I am only dealing with what we know.
As for the other features well so far none of them are compelling enough to devote text too so I will just leave them be.
This said there can be only one Choice.
And the winner is:
Xenium chip
With its elegant design and the future ability to talk i2c (yes you can transmit i2c over SPI) this chip has proven to me that it has the ability to really become the defacto standard in modchip improvements . The executer chip has great promise but the design is overcomplicated and the structure of the bus system can potentially create severe issue for xbox modders out there .
Let us not ever forget the 2.x fiasco .. I know I wont.
Post by: Flagg3 on January 09, 2004, 02:53:00 PM
Interesting info. One thing I won't do is declare a winner of two chips that are not yet shipping.
As for even after they both finally ship, both chips have tremendous potential, we'll have to see which team best exploits that potential. Until then it's all speculation.
Flagg
Post by: heinrich on January 09, 2004, 03:45:00 PM
(threads merged)
Post by: SniperKilla on January 09, 2004, 05:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (phigmeta @ Jan 9 2004, 11:08 PM) |
| I would first start by saying.... I HATE the executer team.... but I have no particular fondness of the other manufactures. In my humble opinion ALL of the Modchip folks are childish and have no business being in the business world. With that said.... I present you with : |
i like you unbased opinion on people that you dont even know, im sure they have the same opinion about you.
Post by: phigmeta on January 09, 2004, 06:40:00 PM
Maybe i should have said that i dislike their arrogance and hate the way they design chips. I was trying to explainto folks that I AM biased ... and that this should be taken into consideration before reading this post ....
And as for declaring a winner .... i regret that part ... myself i feel that the Xen chip will be the winner ... but you are very correct that i should wait for the realese of the chip .... I was not sure if i should claim a winner but ... i figured who really cares .... most folks in this thread have made up their minds without even understanding the technology anyway ....
as for my girlfreind ... yes i have one ... and even a day job .... both are awesome thanks ....
the point of this post was to give a real view of the modchips underlying technologies .... i was upfront with my bias on purpose .... but the facts still remains ...
Post by: Kazaki on January 09, 2004, 06:46:00 PM
Eh, I'll get em both and install them into test subjects-errr... I mean future customers- machines and see how it works.
And I always thought Xodus concentrated on ease of installation and stability, such as the Matrix with the pogo-pins and the Cham's solderless adapter which allows me to play catch with the Xbox and my friends. (WE WERE BORED!)
Post by: jokk on January 09, 2004, 08:27:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Retailers will tend to stock / promote which ever device is a) firstly available what customers ask for c) creates the most profit d) causes them the least aggrevation in support or returns |
The answer is cheapmod na ?
Never trust someone implied in the buissness.
----
Why some ppl doesnt like the way Xecutor acts ?
"X3 will be announced / released within a 2 week period"
| QUOTE (June 15) |
| "After testing our prototype of Xecuter3 on the v1.3 we found it worked as normal..." "Xecuter3 News It's coming soon don't worry " |
Well its been 7 months now
Why Xecutor posted this bullshit chart comparison ?
Maybe cause Xenium have been announced / producted in 2 week period, Uber fears something. And its legitimate...
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4 SniperKilla :
You love to see great improvement in the scene right ?
Ask executor to share the kernel srcs. If they do so they'll loose big name in bios devellopement because there is much more taluented people than them but at least they'll give us a proof they're here for fun and not only big $$$.
Post by: phigmeta on January 09, 2004, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: Sir Auros on January 09, 2004, 09:46:00 PM
Why is this crap so prevalent on these boards? Is it because so many of you couldn't get laid if your life depended on it so you resort to making inferiority complexes better by getting into these petty arguments all the time or go power-tripping on how great your modchips are?
Grow up and try and have an intelligent conversation if you're going to compare the chips.
Post by: MaTiAz on January 10, 2004, 06:15:00 AM
So I would like to know what's better in the X3's CPLD than Xen's.
BTW, here's a theory:
X3 has a 400MHz CPLD only because it boots a 1024K BIOS 0.0000000001 nanoseconds before Xenium(EXcluding the loading time of XOS). I wonder why the X3 CPLD clock should be same as my Celeron's speed(400MHz)...
Post by: BenJeremy on January 10, 2004, 08:25:00 AM
Actually, there is something to be said for a faster CPLD, even if the bus runs at 33mhz. Anybody who tells you different doesn't understand the issues involved. Also important is the resources available on the CPLD (Gates, Cels)
Complex operations take multiple cycles to accomplish. Faster CPLD == More complex operations.
I was actually involved with a project to encode an application that took color imager input, in real time, and analyzed it to determine control over another device (Can't tell you more than that). Faster speed was better, because even though we only handled data coming in at a particular rate, the complexity we could handle varying situations depended on finishing the entire image analysis within a specific number of cycles (during the vertical blank).
This is not to defend the silly chart, but rather to explain that the haters are way off base on this one.
Post by: jokk on January 10, 2004, 09:29:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| You have been banned from this forum. Please contact the webmaster or board administrator for more information. |
You hate the truth UberGeek ?
It can make you loose customers ?
Prototype of X3 ready on June 15
The scene can be funny afterall....
Post by: Flagg3 on January 10, 2004, 10:01:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Jan 10 2004, 01:25 PM) |
| I was actually involved with a project to encode an application that took color imager input, in real time, and analyzed it to determine control over another device (Can't tell you more than that). |
Sorry Ben, that was too much information.
We're coming to get you now.
Post by: SniperKilla on January 10, 2004, 11:31:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| 4 SniperKilla : You love to see great improvement in the scene right ? Ask executor to share the kernel srcs. If they do so they'll loose big name in bios devellopement because there is much more taluented people than them but at least they'll give us a proof they're here for fun and not only big $$$. |
i still have yet to see ANYONE with a bios that comes CLOSE to the quality of the xecuter 2 bios's
Post by: lookformeb on January 10, 2004, 02:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (phigmeta @ Jan 10 2004, 05:53 PM) |
| Yeah team executer banned me to after i pointed out that they had a bad external connector on the x2.3b pro I could care less myself .... i can't wait till they put out their new bios for the x3 ..... i will spend long night designing a cheapmod to use their bios .... for no other reason than to just piss them off |
Unlikely you got banned for that as there are two active threads concerning this right now.
What was your username on the site? We were just bombarded with serveral children who went along ranting about how much better the Xenium chip is than the X3 along with spreading ignorant propaganda. Not only were these individuals spreading useless garbage, but they were aiming personal attacks against myself and Xecuter. Subsequently, because of the severe inconvenience of filtering out the complete bullshit posts were were recieving, the admin closed the X3 forum completely (for now).
My guess is you were one of these ignorant folks... I'm willing to bet a hell of a lot on it.
edit: One of the many reasons I know you posted nothing about a possible faulty external connector is because if you had, you would have no reason to rant about it in here, now would you? No, if you actually has an Xecuter chip you had issues with, you would complain about this in the appropriate forum on xbox-scene... Certainly not in a "Xenium Vs X3" thread.
Post by: SniperKilla on January 10, 2004, 02:47:00 PM
Post by: jokk on January 10, 2004, 03:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (SniperKilla @ Jan 10 2004, 09:31 PM) | ||
i still have yet to see ANYONE with a bios that comes CLOSE to the quality of the xecuter 2 bios's |
The time has come my friend
Post by: lookformeb on January 10, 2004, 03:17:00 PM
| QUOTE (Kazaki @ Jan 10 2004, 06:55 PM) |
| It's not like I respect them anymore then I did before for the chart, if not less. No teams working on a modchip should seriously be allowed to create a table, only the neutral groups (ala Xbox-Scene). |
It's called marketing...
jokk, you're funny... no really...
Post by: Sir Auros on January 10, 2004, 03:41:00 PM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Jan 10 2004, 08:17 PM) | ||
It's called marketing... jokk, you're funny... no really... |
You should see his bs against Iriez over in the emulators forum...
Really, this whole thread is full of shit, and the people defending the X series are starting to look just as petty as the people baselessly trashing them.
Post by: phigmeta on January 10, 2004, 07:40:00 PM
YEAH 100 Post by: jokk on January 11, 2004, 01:27:00 AM
I don't see why modmakers bother making new modchips now,
homebrew scene is near the end imo, all emus have been ported, xbmc is almost perfect, every dash is full of features. I dont think modmakers will re-invent the wheel.
Post by: slappy00 on January 11, 2004, 09:07:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| what executer did to bunnie |
Didnt everyone jack bunnie's ideas?
I read his book, that stuff was hard-core
Post by: lookformeb on January 11, 2004, 10:42:00 AM
slappy00, you're right. It all began as a community effort and fomr there, spread outwards. "Bunnie" did amazing things and other helped.
Post by: nuzzy on January 11, 2004, 12:11:00 PM
Post by: lookformeb on January 11, 2004, 12:16:00 PM
| QUOTE (nuzzy @ Jan 11 2004, 04:11 PM) |
| I too will probably go for the Xenium chip as well. xecuter, the mod over at their website is extremely unprofessional on the board. You ask a question and he's like "duh - obviously it's this!". Extremely unprofessional and has an attitude. |
We are the to offer support, not hold you hand. 90% of the questions asked have already been answered. Anyone who visits these forums often realizes the frustrations which one can experience when the same questions are answered daily. People don't read and don't search, so it's difficult to differenciate between those who actually have made an attempt to learn and those who expect to be hand fed.
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on January 11, 2004, 12:19:00 PM
the "comparison chart" is ABSOLUTELY stupid! it is just a horrible marketing attempt to downplay the Xenium... but honestly... what were they thinking???!!! guess what? MOST people who hack and mod the xbox are NOT morons like the rest of the world...
they are soooooo arrogant! alot of people have been complaining about the fact it loads into its own os first... i think that is good because you have a failsafe.... I think OsXodus realized the need for modchip to have reliable failsafe so n00bs like me don't screw up their xbox.
Post by: lookformeb on January 11, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: nuzzy on January 11, 2004, 01:22:00 PM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Jan 11 2004, 05:16 PM) | ||
We are the to offer support, not hold you hand. 90% of the questions asked have already been answered. Anyone who visits these forums often realizes the frustrations which one can experience when the same questions are answered daily. People don't read and don't search, so it's difficult to differenciate between those who actually have made an attempt to learn and those who expect to be hand fed. |
lookformeb...I realize that and am able to get 90% of the stuff I'm looking for fixed by myself, but when I ask some more advanced questions that's what I get from him. I'm sorry but he's a JERK.
Post by: Sir Auros on January 11, 2004, 01:28:00 PM
| QUOTE (lookformeb @ Jan 11 2004, 05:16 PM) | ||
We are the to offer support, not hold you hand. 90% of the questions asked have already been answered. Anyone who visits these forums often realizes the frustrations which one can experience when the same questions are answered daily. People don't read and don't search, so it's difficult to differenciate between those who actually have made an attempt to learn and those who expect to be hand fed. |
I have to say though, that kind of attitude is acceptable if you're doing something for nothing and that's why developers can get away with it, but someone who's making these modchips for money really can't afford to be unprofessional or there will be a lot of backlash (as seen in this thread). I don't know the whole situation, but were I selling something, I certainly would know better than to rip into people for asking dumbass questions, because in the end, you want to make the sale, not push people even further away.
Post by: lookformeb on January 11, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
| QUOTE (phigmeta @ Jan 11 2004, 05:29 PM) |
| defensive no ..... still pissed about executers rude and arogant additude. yes .... and oddly you additude truly does drive my point home.... not even a shard of humility about the last 3 revisions that have HAD to been done to the x2 .... not even able to admit the screw ups of the executer team. I am more than willing to admit that sometimes i get a little hotheaded ... and the executer team has the right to call me on it .... but they never did they just added fuel to the fire .... not so smart ehh |
I didn't "admit" to design flaws because I was not involved ina dispute where that was the topic. <edit: point proven by Xeero, there were no design flaws>
MS puts has put out 4 service packs on Windows 2000 (arguable the most stable OS from MS) and people don't cry about it. No one if perfect, there are flaws in every disign of anything...
If you get hotheaded at teamxecuter.com, you will not get any attention. If that what you did, then that's probably why actions were taken. Once again, I am not a spokesperson for Team Xecuter so I am going to leave this thread now. What's done it done...
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on January 11, 2004, 05:34:00 PM
Post by: Xeero on January 11, 2004, 05:48:00 PM
And no, I don't think users were entitled to free upgrades just as MS offers free service packs. There were optional, cosmetic, and noncritical changes made to the Xecuter chips. Did MS give me a free upgrade to Windows 95B after I purchased Windows 95A?? Nope.
Post by: rbmerc on January 11, 2004, 07:28:00 PM
Post by: HSDEMONZ on January 11, 2004, 09:16:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| but the desighn flaws i am refering to are the fcc cable |
The FCC wasn't a bad idea. We needed a method to connect an externally mounted and accessable connector to the chip on the inside of the XBOX.. and one that wouldn't require putting new holes in the XBOX. The FCC was Ideal for that application. Thin enough to exit via the video port hole.. long enough to make the connection.
The fact that a few people had ones with broken lines/wires in it isn't a unique problem to the FCC. Any cable made can have these problems.
| QUOTE |
| ...... the bad external adapter |
How bad was it placing an external connector that could connect to 99% of all PC's in the world? (most still have onboard LPT ports. Again.. this was an ideal and cheap method. Flashed hundreds of XBOX units via this method.
Personally.. I think the rear mounts connector/switch made is risking to port around. But like any electronics.. when due care is taken..
| QUOTE |
| .....the horible usb thing ........ |
If you speak of the power via USB.. it worked well for me.. however.. it's a design concept they have rectified with the b revision. I expect more revisions. That's not a bad thing.
| QUOTE |
| but that aside there are many design flaws that could have been corrected had they choosen a more elegant design |
That can be said for anything and everything in life.
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Does Xecuter have alot of options (some say too god damn many) sure.. but I have a choice. I can spend the bucks.. get their chips.. get the included switches and toys they provide.. or.. I can grab a chip from a competitor. (that may or may not have less or different features.
I will be buying both the Xenium.. and the X3. Both look and sound outstanding. My customers will be asking for both of these chips (they already are). What they won't be asking for is Alladin, Akira, Applex, cheapmods. Why? Ignorance? Lack of Features? No promotion? Proabably a bit of everything. In the end.. these are the 2 chips.. from the only 2 chip makers that are really viable.
They'll continue to sling mud at each other.. quote specs real and imagined.
In the end.. I'm only going to care if they both make a chip that works as it's advertised.
After all.. we've already seen chips not do that (XBIT with it's flash problems.. x2 Fakes that are 1/3 crippled)
Post by: kutibah on January 12, 2004, 05:14:00 AM
Post by: Morglum on January 12, 2004, 05:16:00 AM
Post by: jokk on January 12, 2004, 10:50:00 AM
Why posting such a crappy comparision table fi they don't want ppl to discuss it on their forums...
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on January 12, 2004, 11:09:00 AM
X3
Post by: Gman22 on January 12, 2004, 01:29:00 PM
They added the Xenium and X3 under 3rd generation chips, but anyways, this is a more accurate(fair) comparrison table. I personally have never owned/ do not intend to own any Xecutor chips. I don't know why, but I have gone Xodus all the way. I will definatley consider buying both chips though (If I can afford whatever price tag they put on 'em).
Anyways, I think more people go with Xecutor, becuase if I recall right, they were out with a modchip before Xodus (also they make kick-ass bios's), and people went and bought their chip and liked it, so when they hyped up the X2, those people just had to have it. People probably chose Xodus (Matrix) because they were either sceptical, or they just wanted the first solderless design.
I think it will be interesting to see who come out with the first "4thg Generation" chip, adn what kind of price tag they put on it. If they both have the same features, it wil lbe up to the team who can produce them the cheapest.
Just my 2 Cents worth.
Post by: markduncan on January 12, 2004, 02:33:00 PM
Regards
OH and if I edit my post ITS NOT to retract anything its me noticing my crap spelling due to dsylexia.
Scotsman @ www.scotmods.com
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on January 12, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: Sir Auros on January 12, 2004, 10:22:00 PM
Post by: MaTiAz on January 13, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
Rember when somewhere someone said that Zeus gave the Xenium feature list to Xecuter? OzXodus probably gave that list to them because they knew that Xenium would be better than X3. They just wanted to help them design a GOOD mod........
Post by: Heet on January 13, 2004, 09:26:00 AM
Post by: EmperorPsiblade on January 13, 2004, 10:31:00 AM
Post by: heinrich on January 13, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
Post by: Flagg3 on January 13, 2004, 08:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (TalinTheLost @ Jan 13 2004, 09:47 PM) |
| You think that just because someone said *insertmodchipnamehere* is better, you'll believe it regardless of the facts. |
You said it.
Besides, I can't believe anyone would even consider these chips, when everyone knows that the X-elixis is the best chip ever made! Are any of the NEW chips 3D? I didn't think so!!
Flagg
Post by: phigmeta on January 13, 2004, 11:23:00 PM
till then TSOP hack
as for the 1.5s out there .... i still love my xbit
i know that i will get flamed for that one. But guys .... how cheap will these gen 2 cips be now ???
Post by: {{909}} on January 14, 2004, 01:09:00 AM
sure its nice to have some of those things, but i for one would rather have somethin, cheap, easy to use and error free, the more stuff they add to these things, the more room for error is in manufacture (as proven by recient x2 chips with upside down connectors and poorly fitting usb sockets) and more room for user error when he doenst know what the hell hes doing
i have a £2 cheapmod in my xbox and theres nothing i need it to do more than it already does
Post by: MaTiAz on January 14, 2004, 03:25:00 AM
| QUOTE ({{909}} @ Jan 14 2004, 11:09 AM) |
| they seem to be just adding more and more features that are ultimatly useless. |
Yep. Actually, by having 2 non-working mods, and 0 working mods, the only thing that I reaally need is that the chips load a hacked bios so I could finally play hacked halo!!!!
Post by: Gman22 on January 14, 2004, 04:45:00 PM
Post by: Fastlane on January 15, 2004, 08:35:00 AM
So, yah, I hope the Xenium is cool - but I doubt I'll upgrade - I'm quite happy with my Chameleon at this point.
As far as the sheep thing..whatever...most of the people commenting here own one or more of the chips - I have several myself of Xecutor & Xodus - I've modded most of my friends Xboxes - so I've tested and played with installing quite a few. And for my money, Xodus comes out on top everytime.
Just my two cents...
Post by: MaTiAz on January 15, 2004, 08:35:00 AM
| QUOTE (TalinTheLost @ Jan 15 2004, 03:07 AM) | ||
just checking |
Yep, i own the game.
My friend said once: "The guy that buys an Xbox without Halo, is an idiot".
the reason why Halo wasn't my first game was that all halos in my local store were sold....
Post by: MyUtopia on January 15, 2004, 11:24:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| is it just me or does this new Smart XX seem ..... hmmm too good to be true .... ? |
I second your "game over" comment...
Ouch...
The silent, patient, non-arrogant (ok, somewhat - but not compared to others), come out with the killer choice...
And if it contains what it professes to contain - oh, and depending on when its released...my choice is made
Post by: MyUtopia on January 17, 2004, 01:40:00 PM
| QUOTE |
| Is already advertising Xenium coming soon at prices greatly under the cost for a genuine version. |
Hmmm..perhaps if these chip makers used the same manufacturers the folks that produced the clones did - then perhaps the prices would be cheap all around.
Am in no rush to order a chip...but I will try out the Xenium - just waiting for Gameshopusa.com to get them in stock. They are usually the cheapest.
Best Regards,
MyUtopia
Post by: jsp123 on January 17, 2004, 08:04:00 PM
Post by: the insider on January 24, 2004, 07:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (mrmodchips @ Jan 10 2004, 04:31 AM) |
| I dont really want to get drawn into any flame war here but as 1 of only a very very select band of people who have seen Xenium and X3 both working side by side with my own very eyes I am probably allow to comment on a verses test. The first comment I would make upon both of these 2 new exciting Next generation modchip is that they are both and were BETA preproduction units. Team Xecuter has already stated this is the current state of their next mod ( as pictured ) Team OzXodus I am unsure of teir official view as to the review units they sent out (other than their preproduction PCB statement). However if their claim they are ready to go on software then they have several major issues still to be resolved. The first very worrying issue noted with the Xenium is the choice of chip. . This device is cheap and reliable BUT it is also very very inexpensive to have its code extracted. Past history already shows that within a very short of release (and if not before) that the cloners will be out in force. This will dilute th market and lead to confusuion with all over what is a genuine device. As all clones suffer from the poorly made and unreliable syndrome . Is this really in eeryones and the scenes best interest? The second issue that was duly noted was during the testing of all version Xboxes. The Xenium failed to boot in a V1.5 Xbox. The X3 had no such problems. The third issue noted was th need to boo into the Xenium OS mode everytime. Ok the first 2 or 3 times this is fine but it quickly becomes a very annoying habit for the masses who wish to turn on and play their latest legal backup. I cannot comment on the X3 boot up as I am bound to secrecy over how they implement their boot up, But beleive me this is one thing thas big and clever. On a personal level I am against the always boot to Xenium OS mode as I feel this leads to many many more potential end user chances of random experiments with options that lead to 'I have broken my xbox' post. Ok they dont really break it and there is always themeans to restore from an onboard backup but try explaining this to your customers who have little technical knowledge or wish to discover what an eeprom is let alone know that their pride and joy contains one. Before trying to argue this please conside wy all PCs do not boot to their bios option selection screens upon turn on. The review upon this site is very fair with the features and yes the are an advancement on what we currently have in hardware. Both devices can do all they claim to do and a few things more and potentially more. From an end user point of view. Both camps have their own installed user bases , suporters and detractors. Its a free world of free choice that soon all the xbox users will have if they so desire. If you like the Team Xecuter past devices and have been happy with the service from their resellers then I am sure you will continue to be a 'part' of their camp and quite equally so vice versa. If you think the other sides device is better than your current one the people will buy that. Comparison charts and flame wars will never ever influence the mass market who just want an Xbox to play their legal backups with the minimum amount of fuss and cost. From a Retailers point of view Retailers will tend to stock / promote which ever device is a) firstly available what customers ask forc) creates the most profit d) causes them the least aggrevation in support or returns |
This is not true,the X3 uses a LATTICE ISP match CPLD and this has also been cracked from the information we have.
There are 2 ps2 chips which use these cpld's(LATTICE ISP MATCH) and they have both been cracked as well.
The 64/32 and 32/32 lattices have also been cracked by the same group of people as well.