Post by: xbocksgamer on June 14, 2005, 12:10:00 PM
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so what do u guys think? and why is the duo x cheaper than other modchips, is it because it is not durable?
Maybe you got one of those cheapie clones, but even the real deal sometimes is a bit flakey, especially with the 1.6s. I had one that did this sometimes, and opening it up and plugging it back in sometimes worked. I got tired of it, though, and just got a clevermod and it's been reliable as hell.
Post by: HackDaBox on June 14, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
Open up yoyr box and double check a wire has not came off ! Resolder your points. The original DuoX2 chips are very reliable ... i fit and forget ! Not fit then fix !
HackDaBox !
Post by: Chancer on June 14, 2005, 04:14:00 PM
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but even the real deal sometimes is a bit flakey, especially with the 1.6s.
Complete rubbish. There are no problems with the DuoX2 and the 1.6 box. You need to check your installation work because 100s of installs of these says different
Post by: hippo on June 14, 2005, 08:13:00 PM
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Complete rubbish. There are no problems with the DuoX2 and the 1.6 box. You need to check your installation work because 100s of installs of these says different
This is the same line you gave us when you were installing Aladdins. Eventually evey other post in the forum refered to trouble with Aladdin and 1.6 and you ended up on this Doux bandwagon. Now about every 3 or 4 posts in this forum right now is a doux flash or boot problem. You can smoke screen all you want but my personal Doux that I boot to test crap on every 4 months is dead and I'm not lifting one little finger to find out why. These things are about as reliable as every 3rd or 4th post in these forums indicate. No doubt alot of these installs are as you say are bum installs but mine isn't. I've been pretty quiet on this subject and a few days ago I found mine dead, and as a consumer that bought the product I'm wondering now why I used to recommend these. I wish my doux would have just booted the other night when I wanted to test it for 5 minutes and we could have for gone finding out what's at the bottom of this deep dark scummy pond. Seriously.
Post by: BurnerAzR on June 14, 2005, 08:28:00 PM
Quick side question.
I just realized the duox2 lites came out (Been out of the scene for a while).
All i hear are good things about them, are they realy that good.
Post by: _GhOsT_ on June 14, 2005, 11:34:00 PM
it should be fun
Post by: HackDaBox on June 15, 2005, 06:06:00 AM
The DuoX2 and the DuoX2 Lite are fantastic chips and are very reliable and easy to install and use. Unlike some chips that are allways coming soon or in limited supply , the DuoX2 are allways in stock and ready to ship all ver the world and the new low prices are great.
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Now about every 3 or 4 posts in this forum right now is a doux flash or boot problem. You can smoke screen all you want but my personal Doux that I boot to test crap on every 4 months is dead and I'm not lifting one little finger to find out why. These things are about as reliable as every 3rd or 4th post in these forums indicate. No doubt alot of these installs are as you say are bum installs but mine isn't. I've been pretty quiet on this subject and a few days ago I found mine dead, and as a consumer that bought the product I'm wondering now why
Come on hippo you know as well as i that most people asking for help have flashed a wrong bios which is not the chips fault and would affect any modchip and not just the DuoX2. And with a wave of clones coming through and a new buggy beta version of a new X2 bios it has made for a few extra problems but nuthing thats a DuoX2 problem. And if a chip ( ANY CHIP ) is not installed correctly then ofcourse it won't work ! Atleast the DuoX2 chips are available and in stock in large qty for world wide sales
HackDaBox !
Post by: hippo on June 15, 2005, 06:55:00 AM
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The DuoX2 and the DuoX2 Lite are fantastic chips and are very reliable and easy to install and use. Unlike some chips that are allways coming soon or in limited supply , the DuoX2 are allways in stock and ready to ship all ver the world and the new low prices are great.
Also this comes from someone that has takin evox, removed the file selection options, and called it 'SPIDER FLASH CD'. Knowning full well you can not be associate with spider chip and have any credibity left. Hell no none.
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Spiderchip developers are consistant in everything they design. From non working solderless solutions for V1.6 motherboards to SST chip programmers that are unable to program. It's hard to believe a company could put up a website and ship products of such problematic design and stay in business. I can only start to imagine the amount of emails they must recieve about non working chips
These is your own words, and if you feel that way why did you release a flash disk for them, I thought you were their spokesman or something after naming 'your' evox flash disk after them.
You seem to think that every third post doux problem is a poor install but I got some news for ya, these are not that hard to install. Since you don't really have a product of you own I'll just assume your here to call the evox spider flash disk your own invention and speak for a chip producer that's so lame a 512k chip only holds one bios.
Another point is Green Giant released the Evox flash disk in 2002 and it's available at the usual places. You can get that without the sales pitch for Doux which is a good thing.
Post by: hippo on June 15, 2005, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: hippo on June 15, 2005, 07:17:00 AM
Post by: HackDaBox on June 15, 2005, 07:37:00 AM
I don't like spiderchips but i do like to help people , so i think if someone has paid for one allready then i will do my best to help them install and flash it.
My Spiderchip reflash Cd ( now replaced by HackDaBox ReFlash Cd ) is a simple to use cd that any noob can quickly and easily flash their chip ( lots of chips not just spiders ) because unlike alot of us in here they have lives to live and just want to flash it once and then use their box for what it was intended ... games !
HackDaBox !
Post by: hippo on June 15, 2005, 08:24:00 AM
I don''t care about pushing Sunday off into the pool it's the life gaurds under the surface holding up the other swimmers I object too. I was only expecting cheap cut rate sharks, well ya that I can deal with as it's part of the business.
The hidden agenda under the surface shit, who needs it.
Post by: Chancer on June 15, 2005, 08:33:00 AM
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This is the same line you gave us when you were installing Aladdins.
Yep and I stick to it. No problems with the old style Aladdins until the advent of the 1.6 and the dodgy XT chips. this put paid to my Aladdin adventure or are you saying that I should have carried on with aladdins even when they came up against a new version which they struggled with?
I think you are way off the mark with your comments and lets face it its inyour interests to diss all other chips except your own. don't say its not because it is. simple economics.
I can only comment on the chips i use at the time and my experiences with these. I do not design chips I install them (lots of them at that) so can only speak from what i see when installing and using these chips
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Anyway at least Chancer admits there is a spurious problem flashing under Evox as well he should as this is across the board for all chips.
This occurs with the new X2 bios only (It was actually 5032 which is not new now)not with other bios files I have flashed, which give no problem
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No all I've noticed is the concentrated effort for you, Chancer and ckh2004 to be doux spokesmen. Normal user's do not came across with statements
The statement you quoted referring to this is actually a simple and plain truth. Some chips are not as widely supplied as DuoX2, Aladdins probably even Spiderchips so the percentage fitted by a busy installer will be much higher than chips with a smaller production run.
Fact is I like the DuoX2 they have been very good to me as were the old Aladdins. Also fact is you can not expect everyone here to call everyother chip crap and act as sales reps for Sunday Chips. Do you think nobody notices that everytime nearly you post in a thread about another make of chip you inform the user in your reply that he should be buying your Sunday Chips.
Why do you feel so threatened because other forum members praise other types of chip? Its no reflection on the work you have put in on the Sunday chip and you have had plenty of advertising for it in here to be fair. Your thread is always near the top.
If your chips are as good as the spec appears to be then what are you so upset about. A good product will always sell, but you have to accept there are other decent chips out there as well. I don't think I have seen a negative remark about your chips so I don't really understand why you are upset.
Post by: hippo on June 15, 2005, 09:15:00 AM
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Do you think nobody notices that everytime nearly you post in a thread about another make of chip you inform the user in your reply that he should be buying your Sunday Chips.
I dont do that and consider it a bad business practice. I've seen CubistProject join these forums on April 4 and by May 7th have 207 posts most of them about his web site and his clones. That's 7 posts a day you seem to over look his and look at my posts.
I have under 1000 posts. I've been here since March 2003. With 1000 posts I've developed 3 different mod chips and provided documentation so that even though there are 5000 clevermods out there in the scene there is no flood of posts concerning clevermod problems. I bump my bst once a day and try to keep Sunday chip news in it's thread and in it's official forum elswhere. I'm not here to push Sunday on anybody and if you are interested you can view the thread with the other 6800 viewers.
With less than 1000 posts in 2 years I've developed my own CPLD code, My own Bios, my own flash apps etc and yes you Chancer have made a significant contribution with your posts aswell.
You accuse me of being like the GR mods guy and it's been awhile since he's been around or you'd see I'm nothing like him or I would in fact jump off the Golden gate bridge.
At least you bring up some solutions and some clarifications regarding the products you talk about Chancer so that's all good.
I already got a new Doux for testing within 2 hours of posting my old one died so it's all good btw. Some local guy read the post and knows me and traded me one.
Post by: hippo on June 15, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
just kidding
Post by: hippo on June 15, 2005, 09:43:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on June 15, 2005, 10:03:00 AM
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Also get a dual bank chip witheeprom restire for $15 HERE .These boot on any machine with both versions of flashbios andare great for softmodders than have screwed the pooch.
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What you need is a chip with flashbios 3 with an with eeprom recovery system. The flashbios allows you to flash a generic eeprom on you coma Xbox. You can get one for $10 HERE
Should I keep quiet now
Post by: HackDaBox on June 15, 2005, 10:15:00 AM
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Should I keep quiet now
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: novakpower on June 15, 2005, 10:16:00 AM
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Hippo plugs his chips when he can, not a problem for me. I was praising his chip compared to the Duo in one of these threads and he remained modest and said not to knock the Duo. He must have been pissed the other day when his Duo gave up the ghost. I'm not sure how easy it is to communicate with Duo developers but having Hippo around here is nice. I have been enticed with the Duo X2 lites, but not being a major installer I've decieded to use Hippo's. I understand his comments can be reflected as promoting his chips. So his opinions may always look biased in a small or large way. But if the information is solid I would hear him out. Just my take on things.
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: Chancer on June 15, 2005, 10:36:00 AM
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I have no problems with Hippo giving his chips a plug at all. I also have no doubt they are very good. The thing I would dispute most is the inference that all other cheapmod type chips are no good.
I also agree with the plain truth that most of the problems on modchip installs in here are related to installation, misflashing or other user error. I cannot bring myself to judge a modchip on a comment from say someone who has a problem with a chip install and slags the chip down only to find that it was say plugged on the pinheader the wrong way or flashed with a non 1.6 bios on a 1.6.
The only thing I can base an opinion on is the ones I have come into contact with. I have no bios one way or another for modchips, if a chip I use works great then I will use it and say so. If something changed my mind about that chip then I would also say so.
I love the AppleX VI pro chips but you don't see many references to them as they probably are not sold in such vast quantities.
I don't think you will see install problems with Hippos chips listed in here at all because I think the people that buy these are probably more clued up and experienced, often buying for some of the features they include, so I think getting these running is straightforward for them (Cue for someone who joined today and has never installed one to say"I bought one")
I think the reason we see more posts about problems with DuoX Aladdin etc is they sell more and are more of new modders choice of chip due to mass advertising and price cutting
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: ckh2004 on June 15, 2005, 09:22:00 PM
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So the reputation of DuoX 2 is still intact
As what Chancer and HackDaBox mentioned, all non-working DuoX 2 installs are usually traced to poor installations or the inexperience of the installer. Of course, poor quality clones are excluded from this conclusion.
In conclusion, the most value-for-money reliable mod chip that really works well in all xbox versions is still the DuoX2 Lite (check BST section for great offers).
DuoX2 Lite is the no frills version of the more expensive DuoX 2. But since the LED and bios bank selection switch of DuoX 2 will be hidden once the xbox cover is put on, functionally there is no difference between DuoX2 and DuoX2 Lite when installed. The end user won't be able to tell whether it is the DuoX2 or the DuoX2 Lite that has been installed, so the price difference of US$2 is worth saving (for installers at least)
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: Chancer on June 16, 2005, 08:26:00 AM
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We had to chat about something while we were waiting for you to come back.
Glad you got the problem sorted and the chip was proved innocent.
We are not arguing this is just discussion
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: ModdingManiac on June 16, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
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Post by: novakpower on June 15, 2005, 10:16:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on June 15, 2005, 10:36:00 AM
I also agree with the plain truth that most of the problems on modchip installs in here are related to installation, misflashing or other user error. I cannot bring myself to judge a modchip on a comment from say someone who has a problem with a chip install and slags the chip down only to find that it was say plugged on the pinheader the wrong way or flashed with a non 1.6 bios on a 1.6.
The only thing I can base an opinion on is the ones I have come into contact with. I have no bios one way or another for modchips, if a chip I use works great then I will use it and say so. If something changed my mind about that chip then I would also say so.
I love the AppleX VI pro chips but you don't see many references to them as they probably are not sold in such vast quantities.
I don't think you will see install problems with Hippos chips listed in here at all because I think the people that buy these are probably more clued up and experienced, often buying for some of the features they include, so I think getting these running is straightforward for them (Cue for someone who joined today and has never installed one to say"I bought one")
I think the reason we see more posts about problems with DuoX Aladdin etc is they sell more and are more of new modders choice of chip due to mass advertising and price cutting
Post by: ckh2004 on June 15, 2005, 09:22:00 PM
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THE PROBLEM IS FIXED, A WIRE GOT LOOSE
So the reputation of DuoX 2 is still intact
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I also agree with the plain truth that most of the problems on modchip installs in here are related to installation, misflashing or other user error. I cannot bring myself to judge a modchip on a comment from say someone who has a problem with a chip install and slags the chip down only to find that it was say plugged on the pinheader the wrong way or flashed with a non 1.6 bios on a 1.6.
As what Chancer and HackDaBox mentioned, all non-working DuoX 2 installs are usually traced to poor installations or the inexperience of the installer. Of course, poor quality clones are excluded from this conclusion.
In conclusion, the most value-for-money reliable mod chip that really works well in all xbox versions is still the DuoX2 Lite (check BST section for great offers).
DuoX2 Lite is the no frills version of the more expensive DuoX 2. But since the LED and bios bank selection switch of DuoX 2 will be hidden once the xbox cover is put on, functionally there is no difference between DuoX2 and DuoX2 Lite when installed. The end user won't be able to tell whether it is the DuoX2 or the DuoX2 Lite that has been installed, so the price difference of US$2 is worth saving (for installers at least) Post by: Chancer on June 16, 2005, 08:26:00 AM
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THIS THREAD SHOULD BE ABOUT MY PORBLEM, NOT U GUYS ARGUIN ANYWAYS THE PROBLEM IS FIXED, A WIRE GOT LOOSE
We had to chat about something while we were waiting for you to come back.
Glad you got the problem sorted and the chip was proved innocent.
We are not arguing this is just discussion
Post by: ModdingManiac on June 16, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: ckh2004 on June 16, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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Most of the troubles people have is with white DuoX2. FlashBIOS in bank1 is difficult to boot in v1.6 and flashing from Cromwell in bank0 is confusing. Both FlashBIOS and Cromwell require the exact bios file size (512kb) to be used.
One thing good about DuoX2 Lite is that all of them come with a working Evox M8+_1.6 bios which is ready to go for v1.6. Even in non v1.6, using Evox to flash is much easier because Evox will take care of the resizing. Inexperienced person should just download HackDaBox's Reflash Disc and use.
I flashed every single one of DuoX2 and DuoX2 Lite and only need to hotswap flash once due to 256kb file size being selected in FlashBIOS. I never have any screw up with blue DuoX2 and DuoX2 Lite because flashing using Evox flash disc is much easier. Hotswap flashing is the quickest way to deal with screwed bios, so having a second bank to standby is quite useless for modders.
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: Malloc-X on June 16, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
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i didn't do the install myself, i had a modchip installer do it. they are the best console modding/repair in Jamaica so i trusted them.
Whats the track record of the duo x. if it is installed correctly and everythin else is done properly?
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: otherguy on June 16, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
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the duo is a solid chip - anyone will tell you that
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: hippo on June 17, 2005, 04:24:00 AM
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7 out of 12 threads on the lead page are Doux problems at this time. How reliable does it look?
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: Chancer on June 17, 2005, 07:57:00 AM
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And not one is caused by the chip I would wager.
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: novakpower on June 17, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
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I guess it comes down to major installers, say a few that have done over 100 Duo X2 installs. If the chip were subpar you would know right away from your clients. Are there any heavy Duo installers out there that can give solid information on what their reliability is? I have done around six Duo X2 installs in the last four months with no issues.
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: Chancer on June 18, 2005, 04:33:00 AM
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I really can not see why this question keeps being asked. Is it because Hippo questioned them?
The only reasons they are seen in these forums is because people misflash, mis -install and blame the chip first (This does not only aply to DuoX 2 chips but all chips).
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: HackDaBox on June 18, 2005, 05:22:00 AM
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True True also the reason there are a lot more posts about problems with the DuoX2 chips is becuase noobs have been told to stop using aladdins as they dont work properly with V1.6 mobo's and to use the DuoX2 or DuoX2 Lites. These chips rock and i have not had one faulty chip to date.
HackDaBox !
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Title: Duo X Just Stop Working
Post by: Malloc-X on June 18, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
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thanx guys for all ur help. happy gamin l8r
Post by: ckh2004 on June 16, 2005, 03:11:00 PM
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There is already one guy posting about how he had a bad flash on the Duox2 Lite (and these chips barely came out), now he needs another chip for hot swap. I think the Lites are grat for modders but for everyone else they should stick with the Original Duox2.
Most of the troubles people have is with white DuoX2. FlashBIOS in bank1 is difficult to boot in v1.6 and flashing from Cromwell in bank0 is confusing. Both FlashBIOS and Cromwell require the exact bios file size (512kb) to be used.
One thing good about DuoX2 Lite is that all of them come with a working Evox M8+_1.6 bios which is ready to go for v1.6. Even in non v1.6, using Evox to flash is much easier because Evox will take care of the resizing. Inexperienced person should just download HackDaBox's Reflash Disc and use.
I flashed every single one of DuoX2 and DuoX2 Lite and only need to hotswap flash once due to 256kb file size being selected in FlashBIOS. I never have any screw up with blue DuoX2 and DuoX2 Lite because flashing using Evox flash disc is much easier. Hotswap flashing is the quickest way to deal with screwed bios, so having a second bank to standby is quite useless for modders.
Post by: Malloc-X on June 16, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
Whats the track record of the duo x. if it is installed correctly and everythin else is done properly?
Post by: otherguy on June 16, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
Post by: hippo on June 17, 2005, 04:24:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on June 17, 2005, 07:57:00 AM
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7 out of 12 threads on the lead page are Doux problems at this time. How reliable does it look?
And not one is caused by the chip I would wager.
Post by: novakpower on June 17, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
Post by: Chancer on June 18, 2005, 04:33:00 AM
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Are there any heavy Duo installers out there that can give solid information on what their reliability is?
I really can not see why this question keeps being asked. Is it because Hippo questioned them?
The only reasons they are seen in these forums is because people misflash, mis -install and blame the chip first (This does not only aply to DuoX 2 chips but all chips).
Post by: HackDaBox on June 18, 2005, 05:22:00 AM
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The only reasons they are seen in these forums is because people misflash, mis -install and blame the chip first (This does not only aply to DuoX 2 chips but all chips).
True True also the reason there are a lot more posts about problems with the DuoX2 chips is becuase noobs have been told to stop using aladdins as they dont work properly with V1.6 mobo's and to use the DuoX2 or DuoX2 Lites. These chips rock and i have not had one faulty chip to date.
HackDaBox !
Post by: Malloc-X on June 18, 2005, 10:54:00 AM