Post by: cubistproject on April 19, 2005, 09:12:00 PM
If you have a DuoX2 laying around, go grab it right now, and see if it stands up to the test of truth!
1)Solder Points (Best way to tell): DuoX2s are manufactured with 'gold immersion' technique. All holes and solder pads on the original are gold. If yours are not gold colored (ie if your chip has silver holes) then it is a CLONE!
2)CPLD: the square chip should still be readable.
Underneath the DuoX2 logo you should be able to make out: Xilinx XC9572XL Note: Our clone has the same CPLD.
3)AMD Chip: If your DuoX2 is labeled AMD, have a look under the letters. You can scrape them off if you're really curious, but it should have the AMD logo, and then read AM29F0806. If it doesn't have the AMD logo underneath the dye and a similar serial, then you've unknowingly bought a CLONE! Note: our clone is very hard to read, but top line says M29F980A
4) Three Lead Black SMD: Looking at the chip with the logo side up, on the right side of the chip there is a black SMD with 3 leads soldered to the board. It is labeled 2TY on our original chip. It is unlabeled on our clone.
5) Switch Bottom: On the bottom of the chip, you can see the bottom of the switch mechanism through a whole in the PCB. On our original chip, underside of the switch box is black with 3 small holes showing metal inside. On our clone, there is a whole in each corner and a small metal strip in the middle.
Pictures will be coming soon, along with comparisons to two other clones - 1 Blue Import and 1 White Cromwell/Flashbios
FOR SURE, THE BEST WAY TO TELL IS BY THE COLOR OF THE PADS AND HOLES!!! I have never seen a clone of ANY chip with gold pads.
It is possible that Team Omega have used different components in their production over time.
I hope that this is helpful, as alot of people don't believe that there are clones of these chips out there. If yo usee a chip such as the 'Aladdin XT 4032' with a headerpin along side a DuoX2, you've probably been sold a DuoX2 clone without you even realizing it. The reason that I say this is that the original Aladdin XTs don't come with a headerpin except a special white PCB production (info taken from the Xeno Team). The same manufacterers that sell the 4032s sell the DuoX2 clones. I know because I've been in contact with them :-)
I don't believe that it is fundamentally wrong to sell clones, but if they are going to be sold, they should be clearly labeled as a clone, knockoff (ie Matrix Infinity SE), or a liscenced varient (ie Aladdin EX). Most are perfectly functional, but it is the priciple. A clone doesn't have the same value, so why would you pay the same price as an original from Divineo? Let alone buy an untested smallscale production without a warranty of some sort.
Just wait for our store to open!!! MUAHAHHAH!
Post by: Unseen Shadow on April 19, 2005, 09:57:00 PM
Also...you shouldnt make generalisations such as...if you have been sold a 4032 or 4064
alongside with a duo...good chance you have been sold a clone....personally i say thats a load of horse you know what....just because some suppliers stock all clones does not mean that the majority of them do. If a supplier is any good....they will openly show which are original products and which are "3rd party"...mine does....he sells aladdin clones ....but sells original team omega duo's. Anyway sorry abt going off on a rant...im going about to see if i can find out which places around the scene are selling clones under false impressions....
Post by: cubistproject on April 19, 2005, 10:08:00 PM
QUOTE(Unseen Shadow @ Apr 20 2005, 04:03 AM)
....nice guide....just to set something straight....the AMD flashrom you are talking about...it doesnt have to be AMD .... original duos can have AMD, Hyundai or one other that i cannot remember (someone will post it ).
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Title: Identify A Duox2 Clone
Post by: cubistproject on April 19, 2005, 10:20:00 PM
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Sorry if I wasn't clear:
Team Omega (the original producer of the DuoX2) do make both a white and a blue DuoX2
There are clones of both the White and the Blue on the market.
As stated by Munkle, the Blue DuoX2 contains two bioses - Xecuter 2 bios and Evox M8 1.6. The white DuoX2 contains Cromwell/Flashbios which are 100% legal bioses.
The clones that we've seen over here are high quality and work 100%. The value of them is not as high, and the people responsible for thier conception are not being credited, tho. It's kind of like piracy - the original design was stolen, and copies were made and distributed, so those who did the hard work on the design don't get credited monetarily.
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Title: Identify A Duox2 Clone
Post by: Jtech|I on April 19, 2005, 10:33:00 PM
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Nice Guide.... Pictures Needed!!!
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Title: Identify A Duox2 Clone
Post by: ModdingManiac on April 20, 2005, 12:53:00 AM
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). Hope your chips are as good as they sound and come soon.
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Title: Identify A Duox2 Clone
Post by: cubistproject on April 20, 2005, 06:26:00 AM
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Thanks for everyones reply - I'm DEFINATELY going to rewrite this and add some pictures, but I'm just waiting for 2 more DuoX2 clones to come in for comparison in the photos.
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Title: Identify A Duox2 Clone
Post by: Chancer on April 20, 2005, 10:23:00 AM
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Title: Identify A Duox2 Clone
Post by: HackDaBox on April 21, 2005, 07:55:00 AM
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Never had any clones ... all gold lpc holes and solder pads are gold , just checked my latest batch and never ... NEVER had a bad chip to date.
HackDaBox !
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Title: Identify A Duox2 Clone
Post by: Unseen Shadow on April 23, 2005, 10:24:00 AM
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So....cubist...how about those side by side pictures you promised us all ?....using a scanner would be best
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Title: Identify A Duox2 Clone
Post by: cubistproject on April 23, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
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Yaya. The other chips are in the mail. I'd like to get a comparison from multiple sources.
Just a little bit longer.
Post by: cubistproject on April 19, 2005, 10:20:00 PM
Team Omega (the original producer of the DuoX2) do make both a white and a blue DuoX2
There are clones of both the White and the Blue on the market.
As stated by Munkle, the Blue DuoX2 contains two bioses - Xecuter 2 bios and Evox M8 1.6. The white DuoX2 contains Cromwell/Flashbios which are 100% legal bioses.
The clones that we've seen over here are high quality and work 100%. The value of them is not as high, and the people responsible for thier conception are not being credited, tho. It's kind of like piracy - the original design was stolen, and copies were made and distributed, so those who did the hard work on the design don't get credited monetarily.
Post by: Jtech|I on April 19, 2005, 10:33:00 PM
Post by: ModdingManiac on April 20, 2005, 12:53:00 AM
). Hope your chips are as good as they sound and come soon.
Post by: cubistproject on April 20, 2005, 06:26:00 AM
Post by: Chancer on April 20, 2005, 10:23:00 AM
Post by: HackDaBox on April 21, 2005, 07:55:00 AM
Never had any clones ... all gold lpc holes and solder pads are gold , just checked my latest batch and never ... NEVER had a bad chip to date.
HackDaBox !
Post by: Unseen Shadow on April 23, 2005, 10:24:00 AM
Post by: cubistproject on April 23, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
Just a little bit longer.