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Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on July 30, 2003, 09:05:00 PM
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WARNING: This is an ultimate newb post. You will see stupid questions asked and pure confusion. Read ahead at your own risk.

I know, I read the pinned thread, but even with that handy comparison table, I still can't tell the difference. I know one thing, I either want a Matrix or the Chameleon (or both), but I don't see why you wouldn't get a chameleon instead of a Matrix. And what does putting a Chameleon on the Matrix do? Should you just use the Chameleon with the adapter? I have a v1.0 Xbox (made in October 2001) and I don't want to solder at all. Could I just get the Matrix? What would I need the Chameleon for? All I want to do is install EvoX, CommanderX, and Xbox Media Player on it. Is 256 BIOS large enough for those programs to run? Do I really need 1024 (1 MB)? I also want to be able to flash from my computer, so wouldn't i need the programmer that only comes with the Matrix?? I know I'm just a stupid newb, but I've been looking all over the internet, over xodus-chip.com and other forums and just can't seem to find a clear-cut answer. Any help, and I will bow to you. Thank you for hopefully solving this confusion of mine.  beerchug.gif

Edit: I just read the install guide of the CHameleon and it sounds like with the Chameleon and the Solderless adapter that I could install that as the only mod chip without any soldering. Would it still have all the features of the Matrix?
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: JD22 on July 30, 2003, 09:24:00 PM
Both and stop double posting!
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: GuySmily on July 31, 2003, 03:07:00 AM
Just because the chameleon is so much cheaper than a matrix, I would get a chameleon alone and just learn how to solder.  d0 may be a little difficult, but if you're really that worred you can probably just stick 30 guage wire into it and tape it over.  The matrix was very easy to install (I started out with one.. got it for free from a friend who wanted help installing it since he had two.) once I figured out some tricks to getting d0 aligned.  If your needs are that simple, the matrix will serve its purpose.

Hm.. my friend's Xbox is smoking.. Good luck making a choice.
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on July 31, 2003, 06:30:00 AM
Double posting? I haven't double posted at all. And I think both would be really inconvienent.

Also, you don't need to solder with Chameleon's solderless adapter do you??
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: Xeero on July 31, 2003, 06:33:00 AM
QUOTE (DJ Hoyt @ Jul 31 2003, 10:30 AM)
Also, you don't need to solder with Chameleon's solderless adapter do you??

Is this a joke?
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: CaliSurfer008 on July 31, 2003, 10:01:00 AM
lmao...


ship you xbox to someone to get an install done dude...get an x2 installed also

if you want to pick between matrix and chameleon...get the cham..

NO ONE SHOULD BUY A  MATRIX
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on July 31, 2003, 02:58:00 PM
I've taken computer electronics at college, I know how to solder, but don't want to short-out my Xbox. I don't appreciate people laughing at me and saying to ship it to someone. Look, I just can't find a clear explanation and it's not like it's "general knowledge." According to xodus.com, the solderless adapter (note, solderless) does not require soldering if you just use the Chameleon. Now, if you attach the Chameleon to a Matrix, then yes, you have to solder. Here is a picture of it in case you don't know what you're talking about:
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So with that solderless adapter, you still need to solder? Doesn't make sense at all and on the front page of Xodus-Chip.com it talks about how great this solderless adapter is.

Why can't people just answer my question and not tell me to ship it somewhere *sigh*
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on July 31, 2003, 03:01:00 PM
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Wait, are you all saying that the question was so entirely stupid that of course it doesn't require soldering because it's solderless? Is that why you're laughing??
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: JD22 on July 31, 2003, 03:28:00 PM
It costs 54 for the cham just get both for 2 more. Fucking bastards at easybuy charging 14 for the dam solderless adapter.
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on July 31, 2003, 04:29:00 PM
Crap it all! I just saw this. Was this why you were laughing at me? Because you need to have the Matrix already installed to use the Chameleon as a solderless adapter, I got the following from this website:

Solderless Adaptor (pure matrix add-on no soldering required)
- Mode 1 1x1Meg
- Mode 2 2x512k
- Introducing Mode2.5 2x512k with STEALTH TECHNOLOGY
- Mode 3 4x256k
- Mode 4 1x256k (+1x512k software selectable)
- Plus modes 1-3 of original Matrix still apply
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on August 02, 2003, 03:12:00 PM
BUMP!

MU HA HA HA

Please guys, help me out.
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: Prophetz on August 02, 2003, 07:33:00 PM
If you do not plan on using xbox live then no, you dont have to solder. Just use the solderless thingy. If you do want to use live, then you will have to solder 2 wires to the chamelon chip ( real ez, nice big tabs fo you to solder to) and the other ends to to the P and E wires "power and eject". You dont have you dont have to solder those ends. You can find ways to do it without soldering! I hope that helps a bit!
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on August 03, 2003, 07:51:00 PM
Can't the Chameleon be put in Mode 3 with the solderless adapter so you can use Xbox Live without it recognizing it. I heard it had a stealth mode that was made for this.
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: Mast3r Ch13f on August 05, 2003, 11:22:00 AM
You only need to solder if you want the chip to be disabled for XBLIVE.  Besides that, the chip is solderless.  

Prophetz said this above your last post FFS (English not your 1st language?).
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on August 05, 2003, 05:00:00 PM
It seems like the only point of stacking them is if you're upgrading from a Matrix and you don't feel like uninstalling it.

I still need someone to make the Xbox thing clear to me. You mean that the Chameleon, when put directly into the xbox with the solderless adapter, is detected by Xbox Live even when in Stealth mode?? That makes no sense to me. Please explain :-P
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: Mast3r Ch13f on August 05, 2003, 06:57:00 PM
DJ Hoyt, you are a fu<kin' idiot (plain and simple).  It was mentioned 2 or more times (once by myself) on this very topic AND YOU ARE STILL ASKING THE SAME QUESTION!!!!!!

Maybe instead of taking that electronics course in college, you should have applied for the Critical Thinking course.

ALLOW ME TO REPEAT IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!

With the solderless adapter, it WILL BE SOLDERLESS!!!!

If you're using the solderless adapter and want to go onto XBlive you NEED TO SOLDER 2 WIRES, so the chip can be disabled (there is no stealth mode, this is not a PS1).

The reason for a Matrix and a Chameleon combo was to make the Chameleon solderless, but now since there is the solderless adapter, there is no need for this combo.

Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on August 06, 2003, 08:45:00 AM
Excuse you? That was really uncalled for. Anyways, now that you've explained it clearer, I get it. But when you solder these two wires to disable it the chip, how do you undo that if you want to enable the chip again? And yes, stealth mode was mentioned in the ad for the Chameleon. Here is a direct copy paste from the user manual PDF. I am not an idiot, I've just read a lot of information.

Mode 2 (2x512 + Stealth)
The flash space of the Chameleon is split into 2 equal parts of 512k each. Again you can pre select your desired boot bank by setting the bank dip switches. A special case is entered into when Dip 4 is turned ON, this is Stealth Mode, here the on board controller of the Chameleon will boot from Bank 1 and then switch over to Bank 2 automatically. Thus the only bios that can be “seen” after boot is the one in Bank 2.

This is what I meant by stealth mode, but it looks like it doesn't refer to live, but I at least proved you wrong in one area that there is a stealth mode.

I also heard you could disable the Chameleon so it couldn't be seen by xbox live by using EvoX. Do you know anything about that?
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: No_Remorse_666 on August 06, 2003, 02:19:00 PM
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Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: DJ Hoyt on August 06, 2003, 02:42:00 PM
It's cool people like you that really help =) Thanks! Now, where could I get this code to add to the evox program? If it's on xbox-scene.com, could I get the link to the tutorial? Because if I could just install the chameleon, seal my xbox, and forget about it, that would be great =)
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: blackbishop on August 10, 2003, 01:26:00 AM
Yes it does have stelth mode. just set the dip switch and then your off playing Live games
Title: Matrix And Chameleon
Post by: GREGWILLRULEYOU on August 12, 2003, 02:13:00 PM
send your xbox to rustydog and get one installed for 60(including the chip)