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Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Xeero on May 29, 2003, 10:51:00 AM
I would hope it would be better.  It is out nearly 5 months after the Xecutor2.  Just don't get defensive when people start raving about the Xecutor3 in a few months.
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Xeero on May 29, 2003, 12:19:00 PM
It depends on what IGR you use.  EvoX's IGR will cycle the power and possibly change the active BIOS.  The X2 IGR does not cycle the power and simply punts you to the dash, so the same BIOS will remain active.

The controller reset mod also cycles the power and may change the BIOS.
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Terroth on May 29, 2003, 01:39:00 PM
Hehehe, so in love.  You cant even spell it ;D  Sorry for the Flame.  Yes i would kick my x2pro to the curb for a chameleon.  Thats just what i did.
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: ravencry on May 29, 2003, 04:28:00 PM
Ricoh solder will alsways be in the scene
for installers to use

as you may have heard, solder less adaptors are designed for mods
to add on to the chip

this way installers are happy and so are users

hope that is clear enough and helps your question
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: PartiallyIndefinite on May 29, 2003, 04:37:00 PM
QUOTE (Ricoh @ May 29 2003, 07:10 PM)
anything has to do with solder is sucks, why don't they design all the chip solderless like have different version of modchip for different version of Xbox ?

Because solderless chips are for lazy bastards who aren't willing to learn a useful skill. Plus, they come loose if you move the box too much (in some cases, at all).

Seriously, anyone with the manual dexterity to operate a game controller should be able to operate a soldering iron. It's not all that dangerous if you've had some practice.

Plus, solder fumes smell soooo nice... *faints*
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Ubergeek on May 29, 2003, 06:27:00 PM
why do ppl start lame threads like this ?

first of all the software control - albeit good - is only useful for those who use evox - i.e. it forces you to be tied to one dash

what about those that dont use evox ?

our policy has always been to make sure our stuff works with all homebrew software - isnt this what the scene is supposed to be about ?

secondly - the guy who says solder sucks - i suggest you get educated.

thirdly the guy who says x2 is 5 months old etc - thats right - we're not 5 months behind we're 5 months ahead - thanks for pointing that out smile.gif

now enough of these my mod is best blah blah blah - I could jusst beat you down by telling you what X3 is about but I dont feel childish tonight. maybe tomorrow tongue.gif
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Xeero on May 29, 2003, 09:08:00 PM
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 29 2003, 10:27 PM)
thirdly the guy who says x2 is 5 months old etc - thats right - we're not 5 months behind we're 5 months ahead - thanks for pointing that out smile.gif

Umm...evidently you were referring to me?  I hope you read what I said and didn't just skim over it.  I was pointing out that it is not far to swoon over Chameleon and be blown away by how much better it is than the X2.  "Holy shit, my Xbox is so much better than your PSone!"  The release times of the two different chip series are staggered, so it's never accurate to compare a new release to a chip that hasn't seen any improvements in many months.

Also, I don't remember saying you were 5 months behind.  blink.gif  Geez, Uber, get some sleep...you're starting to use fuzzy logic to the point of nasis.  laugh.gif
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Reality_check on May 30, 2003, 04:32:00 AM
Okay Xeero I appologise
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Ubergeek on May 30, 2003, 04:43:00 AM
QUOTE (Xeero @ May 30 2003, 06:08 AM)
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 29 2003, 10:27 PM)
thirdly the guy who says x2 is 5 months old etc - thats right - we're not 5 months behind we're 5 months ahead - thanks for pointing that out smile.gif

Umm...evidently you were referring to me?  I hope you read what I said and didn't just skim over it.  I was pointing out that it is not far to swoon over Chameleon and be blown away by how much better it is than the X2.  "Holy shit, my Xbox is so much better than your PSone!"  The release times of the two different chip series are staggered, so it's never accurate to compare a new release to a chip that hasn't seen any improvements in many months.

Also, I don't remember saying you were 5 months behind.  blink.gif  Geez, Uber, get some sleep...you're starting to use fuzzy logic to the point of nasis.  laugh.gif

hehehe no i didnt mean it in a negative way bro - yes now reading it while im awake does look a little weird - sorry lol smile.gif

I was definatley in a positive frame of mind when i said that i promise smile.gif
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Alkaline on May 30, 2003, 06:50:00 AM
QUOTE (PartiallyIndefinite @ May 30 2003, 01:37 AM)
Plus, solder fumes smell soooo nice... *faints*

ya keep doing that and I will send you a get well card when you get cancer from inahling the lead tongue.gif laugh.gif
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: angry pirate on May 30, 2003, 10:21:00 AM
QUOTE (PartiallyIndefinite @ May 30 2003, 01:37 AM)
Because solderless chips are for lazy bastards who aren't willing to learn a useful skill. Plus, they come loose if you move the box too much (in some cases, at all).

Solderless chips are also for lazy bastards who already have that useful skill.  I've never had a Matrix come loose and I've installed about a dozen for various people.  One of those travelled halfway around the world and back again, and the chip still hasn't moved.

If you've ever installed a PS2 modchip, you can very easily appreciate a solderless mod.

- Angry Pirate -
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Ubergeek on May 31, 2003, 03:00:00 AM
QUOTE (angry pirate @ May 30 2003, 07:21 PM)


If you've ever installed a PS2 modchip, you can very easily appreciate a solderless mod.

- Angry Pirate -

comparing installing a ps2 mod with an xbox mod is an absolute joke

very very poor example
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Lordscr on May 31, 2003, 08:12:00 AM
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 30 2003, 02:27 AM)
first of all the software control - albeit good - is only useful for those who use evox - i.e. it forces you to be tied to one dash

what about those that dont use evox ?

I'm sure that with enough people having a Chameleon installed, that most authors will add software control to there apps.
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: Ubergeek on May 31, 2003, 08:23:00 AM
QUOTE (Lordscr @ May 31 2003, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 30 2003, 02:27 AM)
first of all the software control - albeit good - is only useful for those who use evox - i.e. it forces you to be tied to one dash

what about those that dont use evox ?

I'm sure that with enough people having a Chameleon installed, that most authors will add software control to there apps.

erm to do that evox have to release the source code

they ain't gonna do that i'm afraid
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: StOnD on May 31, 2003, 10:57:00 AM
Pinheader installs are the best, hands down. It's a piece of cake to solder and you can swap your chip freely when it's done. The only issue after that is D0 and that can be dealt with easily enough.

Uber, the X2 kicks ass. I'd be really interested to hear about X3.

As for chameleon, it looks cool too. I like the idea of software control, but the ability to add external (X2.1 style) switches would have made it THE killer mod chip.
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: angry pirate on June 01, 2003, 03:47:00 PM
Blah blah solder blah blah.

If you can jar a _properly_ installed pogo chip out of place, I bet the amount of force you are using will also damage your xbox in other ways.

It is easy to solder in header pins and a d0 wire.  It's still EASIER to install a pogo chip.

Some people DO have a tough time aligning pogo chips, but it was a breeze for me after the first time.

To prove this point, buy a dozen header pin mod chips, a dozen pogo chips and two dozen xboxes.  Time yourself.

On a side note, I do think Chameleon is junk (especially considering all the problems folks are having), and if you go for the matrix-add-on install, all you're doing is turning a $50 mod chip into a $50 set of pogo pins (which is silly).

- a.p -
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: rgtaa on June 01, 2003, 04:27:00 PM
smile.gif

I just recieved the Chameleon ...and I'm reading all the Problems with it ... and I'm scared as HELL i'm gonna SCREW up a Working Xbox!  

I really was expecting everyone to be SAYING how great the install was ... ect ,ect,ect... but instead... all i hear is nothing but horror stories ....  
I tryed to start some POLLS to get an Idea of how bad it is ... and Last count was 80 percent had problems!

I'm seriously thinking of sending it back!
Title: Chameleon Is No1. Hands Down
Post by: nautiazn85 on June 01, 2003, 05:32:00 PM
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 31 2003, 04:23 PM)
QUOTE (Lordscr @ May 31 2003, 05:12 PM)
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 30 2003, 02:27 AM)
first of all the software control - albeit good - is only useful for those who use evox - i.e. it forces you to be tied to one dash

what about those that dont use evox ?

I'm sure that with enough people having a Chameleon installed, that most authors will add software control to there apps.

erm to do that evox have to release the source code

they ain't gonna do that i'm afraid

Does this mean you're going to up one and release the source code for nexgen?  rolleyes.gif