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Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: frekkle on April 29, 2003, 09:57:00 AM
Thanx Xbox-scene for the great review

http://www.xbox-scen...e/chameleon.php

Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: maj on April 29, 2003, 10:28:00 AM
wow - any ideas when there will be a UK supplier? shipping from the place mentioned at the end of the article is more than the chip itself!!
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: MURDERER on April 29, 2003, 10:28:00 AM
Hey, thats good news!! Team X-ecuter is probably probably pissed off, you can probably expect a response from them within the day about how crappy this chip is.

iMURDERER
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: TB_88 on April 29, 2003, 10:32:00 AM
I hope there will be a EU reseller becouse the over sea shipping is to fuc*in* expensive.... 29$  grr.gif

how the hell could qualitymods take 5$ for shipping and that's worldwide. And liksang is good too....
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: Ubergeek on April 29, 2003, 10:33:00 AM
QUOTE (MURDERER @ Apr 29 2003, 07:28 PM)
Hey, thats good news!! Team X-ecuter is probably probably pissed off, you can probably expect a response from them within the day about how crappy this chip is.

iMURDERER

man you're such a retard imurderer

why would we be pissed of ?

X3 has all these features and more with the 2 new chipsets wink.gif

you need to show a little respect to those that actually did all this shit originally or you would still be browsing for porn instead of giving tutorials on how to use pin headers

go back to fucking nasis-x in the loser forum
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: Ubergeek on April 29, 2003, 10:37:00 AM
QUOTE (Shafted! @ Apr 29 2003, 07:36 PM)

(PPS, whats wrong with broswing for porn?)

porn is great - but its not the sole reason im online - or its not the sole skill i had before leeching ideas from my work  laugh.gif
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: Ubergeek on April 29, 2003, 11:11:00 AM
QUOTE (Rob3121 @ Apr 29 2003, 07:51 PM)
I had a thought.  I'm really intrested in the EvoX functions of the mod.  I was wondering if you switch it to a bank (1, 2, 3, 4) or the tsop through EvoX and say it switch it to an orignial MS BIOS (lets say bank 2). next time I turn on the Xbox will the mod run the orignal bios (bank 2) or can i make it run (lets say bank 1) everytime i power on and off.  Now that would be cool... heh, anyway i hope you follow me...

im assuming it works similar to our software bank select on x2 pro

select 1mb mode

select which bank you want

reset xbox

that bank is set for the time the box is powered on

it could be different of course but im assuming this is how it works as its not that hard to do

its nice its inc with evox but then again evox are working with them now so it's always going to be stuff we wont be able to include as we dont code the evox dash

however we do have our own xbe apps and im sure evox would intergrate these on release as they have done with dvdx2
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: nonamer66 on April 29, 2003, 11:27:00 AM
yeah, good review. and to think I was going to ditch my matrix for an x2 pro
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: rgtaa on April 29, 2003, 11:42:00 AM
thanks for the review

I'm conflicted!  I have matrix chip and i'm planing on soldering (conductive Micro Pen instead of soldering)   the 2 points to write enable ...and I have 007raincoat.file  loaded on memory card .... to flash tsop.
Then I might add switch at 18/19 to flash 1/2 tosp in case of bad flash ....
Doing this seems easier than doing alot of soldering to install the chip...
I just ordered  conductive Micro PEN so I don't have to solder the 2 points.

It seems like Mod chips are out-dated ....    am I the only one who feels this way.  Unless Stealth allows Modded games on xbl ....  and I'm not into LIVE ....   so

I like SIMPLE!  2 points memory card 007 seems simple!  
But you guys could change my mind....
I'll continue to follow this thread
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: jungec on April 29, 2003, 11:46:00 AM

Does "stealth" mode allow you to play XB live with backed up games or not?  That is the question.  Do we have a definitive answer yet? grr.gif
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: Websteria on April 29, 2003, 12:36:00 PM
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 29 2003, 01:11 PM)
im assuming it works similar to our software bank select on x2 pro

select 1mb mode

select which bank you want

reset xbox

that bank is set for the time the box is powered on

it could be different of course but im assuming this is how it works as its not that hard to do

its nice its inc with evox but then again evox are working with them now so it's always going to be stuff we wont be able to include as we dont code the evox dash

however we do have our own xbe apps and im sure evox would intergrate these on release as they have done with dvdx2

So how exactly does one do this with an X2: Pro? I've got one and would love to be able to soft select the bank it's using.

Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: jaxpunk on April 29, 2003, 12:46:00 PM
jungec,

 For your definetive answer, its no.  If you think that MS will just let us play backups on live, your nuts.  They will / and have the ability to update what live searches for, the way I understand it now its just the bios.  IF people try to continue to hack at it, they may search the drive for extra / unsigned files.  The ONLY way to play on live is to buy the games.  Sorry it sucks, but its worth it.



JAXpunk
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: jaxpunk on April 29, 2003, 12:55:00 PM
biggrin.gif  

Locking upgraded HD - http://www.xbox-scen...es/lock-hdd.php

And all your live with a chip questions :

Xbox Live Tutorials ::  Section on this page - http://www.xbox-scen...m/tutorials.php    Its towards the bottom
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: Ubergeek on April 29, 2003, 01:03:00 PM
QUOTE (jaxpunk @ Apr 29 2003, 09:55 PM)
yamcheboy,

 Yes stealth mode would be shutting the chip off.  So that Live would not detect it, and ban your xbox.  So if you only run backups, and dont upgrade the hard drive it will be easy to just shut off the chip and play on live.  If you upgrade your drive, then thats a whole nother can of worms I wont go into.  But you can read up on it here:   biggrin.gif  

Locking upgraded HD - http://www.xbox-scen...es/lock-hdd.php

And all your live with a chip questions :

Xbox Live Tutorials ::  Section on this page - http://www.xbox-scen...m/tutorials.php    Its towards the bottom

no stealth soesnt shut the chip off from how its explained

it switches to a different bank on bootup - i.e. original ms dash ?

im not sure this would work with how the flash is stored in rom in bootup - ill do some tests of my own this weekend
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: Ubergeek on April 29, 2003, 01:04:00 PM
QUOTE (Websteria @ Apr 29 2003, 09:36 PM)
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 29 2003, 01:11 PM)
im assuming it works similar to our software bank select on x2 pro

select 1mb mode

select which bank you want

reset xbox

that bank is set for the time the box is powered on

it could be different of course but im assuming this is how it works as its not that hard to do

its nice its inc with evox but then again evox are working with them now so it's always going to be stuff we wont be able to include as we dont code the evox dash

however we do have our own xbe apps and im sure evox would intergrate these on release as they have done with dvdx2

So how exactly does one do this with an X2: Pro? I've got one and would love to be able to soft select the bank it's using.

www.teamxecuter.com/flashx.zip
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: rgtaa on April 29, 2003, 01:06:00 PM
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Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: nyarrgh on April 29, 2003, 01:09:00 PM
QUOTE (jaxpunk @ Apr 29 2003, 08:55 PM)
Yes stealth mode would be shutting the chip off.  So that Live would not detect it, and ban your xbox.  So if you only run backups, and dont upgrade the hard drive it will be easy to just shut off the chip and play on live.  If you upgrade your drive, then thats a whole nother can of worms I wont go into.  But you can read up on it here:   biggrin.gif

I thought the bios was loaded to memory on bootup, so that even if you turn off the modchip after booting, the image is in memory, and this is what MS looks at?   uhh.gif

Unless you can overwrite that bios image in memory after bootup, but that will be hard to do once a game is already loaded, since the xbox runs in ring 0, they can still ban you if you run backups.

Or am I misunderstanding the question entirely? huh.gif

thanks
-------------Edit--------------
Actually Ubergeek,I think it should be stored in RAM since you cannot write to the ROM

another edit...
so with:
www.teamxecuter.com/flashx.zip
I can just edit my evox.ini file and get the same thin with my X2Pro ?   smile.gif
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 29, 2003, 06:28:00 PM
QUOTE (MURDERER @ Apr 29 2003, 06:28 PM)
Hey, thats good news!! Team X-ecuter is probably probably pissed off, you can probably expect a response from them within the day about how crappy this chip is.

iMURDERER


LoL, exactly what I thought. No offense to Ubergeek, I personally don't know you or have I read many of your posts, but your team in the past has been known to post dirty comments.

For example, you guys had a personal attack on me once (it was an argument over whether or not you guys made money on modchips, I said you guys did make a profit while one of your representatives argued elsewise). It went as far as you guys posting some stupid comment on your main page about me.

Second of all, everybody likes to say Team XODUS makes false claims. I have yet to see Team XODUS do anyting Team Xectuer hasn't done. In fact, if you guys think back to the Xectuer 1, Team Xectuer proclaimed their chip to be a "1 wire" solution, only to give us a mod chip designed to be soldered to the motherboard and an additional wire. They mislead users to believe that the chip would be a "newbie" solution. Team Xectuer had also delayed the shipment of the X2 series mod chips (or at least retailers of the chip delayed their shipments from ETA dates because they had received no chips).

So if you really look at it, both teams had stretched the truth.

Once again to restate my position, as an installer I've seen a lot of chips and installed many chips. I've been tracking the scene since the day ProjectX released a load of XBOX games (even though we - the scene - had yet to see a mod chip at that time). I also have to say that by far my favorte mod chip has been the X2 series, but I don't automatically rule out competition. Competition is always healthy, and I STILL don't understand why everybody in this forum is an Xectuer fan boy (bitch).
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: frekkle on April 30, 2003, 02:09:00 AM
i've been in the scene since day 1

have all the tools since they where released.

since install chips and such (since enigmah and x-tender)
all customers have been asking for various chips. but 90% where matrix requests because it was the first no solder.
then for a bit the X2 was in the list but in small requests due to a few reasons (a few delays and combo of pricing of pogos + chip), but now since the announcement of the chameleon, i've been getting more requests for that and matrix chips ever since.

Yesterday was mad. that review psuhed alot to request it even more!
its not that other chips arent standning up to it, but it is also the price and new stuff it has.

One of my requetsts was because it has a blue LED ! (i only notcied that in the review after the request)
Other because of the dash controls, its building a demand day by day

So my point is,

all chips are good (except that idiotic xelixis) but you have to take into account the all arround benefits
it would give the general user .

my personal opinion is that the Chameleon will get a big share in the market (like the matrix did)
once its out...
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: WhiteCollar on April 30, 2003, 06:48:00 AM
Does anyone know whether the chameleon will own up to the claim that it will be solderless?  I don't know if that means that a pogo pin version/adapter will be available in the future as an add-on or if what they're referring to is using it as a matrix add-on?   I noticed that the review doesn't mention solderless as a viable installation method - except with use of the matrix. Sound like smoke & mirrors...  can anyone see clearly?
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: BenJeremy on April 30, 2003, 07:12:00 AM
QUOTE (Flagg3 @ Apr 30 2003, 11:04 AM)
Doesn't sound like smoke and mirrors to me, the impression that I get is that it will be available in the future  - in the same way that the pogo pin adapter was released for the X2.

If your really looking for a solderless solution right now then get an X2lite Plus.  Otherwise I'm sure the adapter will be released someday but I wouldn't hold my breath for it!

Flagg

I agree... I think Team Xodus will have a olderless adapter out, and probably soon. They likely have the supplies (and their Matrix flash chips supply might be running low, as those CheapMod '020a' 256k chips had a finite supply, last I heard) of pogopins and the infrastructure in place to make adapter boards.

Likewise, we'll probably see see a 1.2 version of the pogopin adapter before/if we see a 1.2-solderless version of the Matrix.
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: XanTium on April 30, 2003, 07:37:00 AM
wink.gif
Didn't try that yet though.

About Xlive and stealth mode , as said above , the bios is also saved in memory , so Xlive will probably be able to detect it anyway.
Stealth can be used by developers (boot with first bank and give xbox programs access to the 2nd bank ... they might be able to use it for some things)
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: flagg on April 30, 2003, 08:20:00 AM
QUOTE (Flagg3 @ Apr 30 2003, 03:04 PM)
Doesn't sound like smoke and mirrors to me, the impression that I get is that it will be available in the future  - in the same way that the pogo pin adapter was released for the X2.

If your really looking for a solderless solution right now then get an X2lite Plus.  Otherwise I'm sure the adapter will be released someday but I wouldn't hold my breath for it!

Flagg

Hey MOFO you took my name  ohmy.gif
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: Ubergeek on April 30, 2003, 02:22:00 PM
QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 03:28 AM)
Second of all, everybody likes to say Team XODUS makes false claims. I have yet to see Team XODUS do anyting Team Xectuer hasn't done. In fact, if you guys think back to the Xectuer 1, Team Xectuer proclaimed their chip to be a "1 wire" solution, only to give us a mod chip designed to be soldered to the motherboard and an additional wire. They mislead users to believe that the chip would be a "newbie" solution. Team Xectuer had also delayed the shipment of the X2 series mod chips (or at least retailers of the chip delayed their shipments from ETA dates because they had received no chips).

So if you really look at it, both teams had stretched the truth.

Once again to restate my position, as an installer I've seen a lot of chips and installed many chips. I've been tracking the scene since the day ProjectX released a load of XBOX games (even though we - the scene - had yet to see a mod chip at that time). I also have to say that by far my favorte mod chip has been the X2 series, but I don't automatically rule out competition. Competition is always healthy, and I STILL don't understand why everybody in this forum is an Xectuer fan boy (bitch).

well team xodus hasnt really done anything - its "team" evox on this one wink.gif hehe

and regards to xecuter1 - it was 1 wire - there was no misleading, no pre orders, no con, no bullshit

it worked - was the first lpc mod and has spawned all the other lpc mods

X2 was NEVER given a release date - only an ETA by us - it was retailers who gave dates

I have no idea why you ppl speculate on stuff like this - are you bored or something ?

I dont mind posts like these bro - only as long as you post fact and not something you think is correct

for anyone to say we'd be pissed off is childish and lame - we have all these features and more for a long time now - our beta testers and scene freinds know whats coming very soon, some real fresh ideas and development never tried before. But no announcements and no misleading comparison tables on this one. Its ready when its ready and will be shouted about when its finished

oh btw - those project x games - well the very first (doa3) was booted using my code smile.gif

Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: frekkle on May 01, 2003, 02:48:00 AM
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 30 2003, 10:22 PM)
well team xodus hasnt really done anything - its "team" evox on this one wink.gif hehe

whats that sposed to mean?
Title: Chameleon Review From X-s
Post by: Ubergeek on May 01, 2003, 04:16:00 AM
QUOTE (frekkle @ May 1 2003, 11:48 AM)
QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 30 2003, 10:22 PM)
well team xodus hasnt really done anything - its "team" evox on this one wink.gif hehe

whats that sposed to mean?

That the development on this project is mostly evox influenced - in fact how could you even say it isn't with all the intergrated evox dash / xodus hdl functions ?

They've gone from basic pic chip developers (12c508 on the matrix was the only coding)  to advanced VHDL and XBE coders in the space of a couple of months - which is about the time the Matrix Inside logo started to appear on evox dash.

Im not bashing - its all good fun - the mod looks nice, and it doesnt really matter - it was a "joke dig".

It's about time that someone else developed some good hardware - Xecuter and Bioxx have been the only ones doing any real developing (from a retail perspective) - now PC Bioxx has gone a little quiet its nice to have something to push us on further

whats up I'm not allowed to have an opinion - even if it is in jest ?  smile.gif