Post by: BenJeremy on April 23, 2003, 08:40:00 AM
I'd like to get one of these things, but it's a bit ridiculous. They announced this in DECEMBER, and announced they had all these gee-whiz features working. Supposedly, some have seen this in action over a month ago.
Something smells a bit fishy around here, and it ain't Wong Hung Lo's breath, either.
Post by: tntomek on April 23, 2003, 09:35:00 AM
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Post by: Snoopy007 on April 23, 2003, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: Mage on April 23, 2003, 05:01:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 23 2003, 08:40 AM) |
| Something smells a bit fishy around here, and it ain't Wong Hung Lo's breath, either. |
Hahaha! Where has he been? Haven't seen him post in a long while.
Well, I wish they'd release info about the stealth feature...but whatever.
Oh yeah, before you say anything, I don't care what you have to say Lordscr. I have the right to mock their stealth technology since they don't even list it anymore, eg hype.
Until they do tell about it at least...
Post by: tntomek on April 23, 2003, 05:02:00 PM
| QUOTE (Snoopy007 @ Apr 24 2003, 12:56 AM) |
| I wonder how much money they have taken in preorder. |
I just canceled my order otday and got a X2 Pro here in town...will tell you how it goes tomorrow
Post by: Lordscr on April 23, 2003, 05:15:00 PM
| QUOTE (Mage @ Apr 24 2003, 12:01 AM) |
| Oh yeah, before you say anything, I don't care what you have to say Lordscr. I have the right to mock their stealth technology since they don't even list it anymore, eg hype. Until they do tell about it at least... |
I don't give a flying fuck about the damn stealth feature. All I said, three weeks ago is that your joke on the stealth feature was getting stale, considering that you felt the obligation to repeat it on every board in the Xbox-scene forum.
Post by: BCfosheezy on April 23, 2003, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: ZildjianKX on April 23, 2003, 11:51:00 PM
Post by: nazis X. on April 23, 2003, 11:59:00 PM
Post by: MagamiAKO on April 26, 2003, 09:30:00 PM
So why are you all complaining? Why do you bitch? Because it's Team Xodus? What? Are they MS now? So what they want to make a little bit of cash off of a few people. Yes, they make some outrageous press releases that make you go "Wtf it's only a modchip it's nothing special". But you have to look at it this way, THAT'S BUSINESS. The object of making a business is not the product, it's making that product sound better than what others offer. It's the same in any other industry.
With those guidelines in place, I don't see what problem that actually exists except the people on the other end whining and bitching like little children.
I've still got my chameleon on pre-order and I don't plan on cancelling that.
*and* if you take note of the release date, they've upped it and upped it but in the first time in a month they actually LOWERED it. It was upped to May 5th now it's to May 2nd.
Post by: Chamrock on April 27, 2003, 02:59:00 AM
Post by: MagamiAKO on April 27, 2003, 08:03:00 AM
Post by: MagamiAKO on April 27, 2003, 08:11:00 AM
EB2K handles returns/exchanges/refunds nicely and hassle free
Xodus gives a chip that the 'masses' can use(no matter how much u dislike it)
Xodus provides a working chip
So they over emphasize a few facts? Making it sound like this hyper 1337 product...SO WHAT..Every possible company does it....
Orange Glo = "With the power of oranges we clean everything! Nothing beats the power of oranges!"
Intel = "Our Netburst architecture will blow you away!"
AMD = "Our Quantispeed architecture helps improve the performance of our processors to smash the competition."
Every single possible company does this and in that sense there is really nothing they've done wrong now is there?
Post by: dzv on April 27, 2003, 08:31:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| EB2K delivers a Product |
This is where I have to disagree with you the most, and it is really what I'm talking about. Their constantly changing release dates can be seen as misleading. They are keeping everybody thinking that the Chameleon is just around the corner, when in fact it could still be weeks or months away. And they don't even make any attempt to give a reason for the delays. In my eyes, this is very poor business behaviour.
There's also the question of the mysterious "stealth" feature. It has since disappeared off their list of features, even though they initially claimed that they had tested it and it was working. If the chip is released without this feature, it would seem to me like they had seriously mislead people, for the purpose of delaying their purchase of a competing product. Of course, this remains to be seen.
There is also some doubt surrounding their pricing of $25. Some believe that they won't be able to release the chip at such a low price, but that they announced that price (along with the super features) to make the chip seem absolutely the best value for money (again, to delay people from buying something else). This also remains to be seen...
Apart from all of that speculation, I also have dealt with EB2K before, and my experience was a terrible one. I ordered 50 MatriX chips from them back around Sept, and they promised 2-3 day delivery (once payment cleared). Well, I finally got the chips in mid-December, almost 4 months after the order date! During the whole fiasco, my impression of the people in charge was that they were very unprofessional, and unable to run their operations properly. After that experience, I vowed never to do business with the company again, because I don't believe they deserve my business.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see if they can do anything to change my mind...
Post by: Samara on April 27, 2003, 09:09:00 AM
I would also like to point out that MagamiAKO is so wildly off base in his statements that reading the posts above brings about feelings of pity and not laughter. THIS IS NOT BUSINESS. The companies that you site are not making up features, they are giving creative names to technologies that do exist and that they created. These companies actually ship products and develop their own technology. They also have a responsibility to their customers and shareholders to insure that every aspect of their business is on solid legal footing. They cannot participate in false advertising.
Extreme-mods and other companies in our sector actually deliver on what they promise in a timely manner. You don't need to put up with this bullshit and you certainly can't defend eb2k for their practices.
The bottom line is that any perceived advantage that the Chameleon has over competing chips is completely overshadowed by the sheer incompetence of their distributor. Even if the Chameleon was revolutionary (it's not) it would still be worth it for me to pay twice as much to a company that I trust for a chip that I knew would actually arrive within half a year. That's how long I've been waiting for my Matrix's (totally worthless now) and that's how long we've all been waiting for the Chameleon since it was announced. It's a total joke and anyone who states otherwise is either an idiot or a jackass or both.
Post by: hertzsae on April 28, 2003, 01:44:00 AM
Post by: rgtaa on April 28, 2003, 05:10:00 AM
If they said ... working on getting a part ... or factory down ... or problem with incompatiabity with v1.2 xbox's .... or sent the first batch to Reviewers or Testers .... ect.... Let us know what's happening ... but they say nothing and keep giving FALSE dates ... that they know are False! ...because they said ships in Feb, then Mar, the April, now May ... and after first wrong date... they should say ..."we don't know when the F^^^ this chip will Ship ... " .... sorry everyone ... "but here is what we do know ... part 2124 can't be found ...ect"
And the developers don't help ... they dont update their page ... I think I can remember a New's Year's page that was up for 3 months.... and now a "almost ready to ship to testers" page for 1 month .... obviously their are problems ...
Post by: Ubergeek on April 29, 2003, 09:56:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 29 2003, 06:46 PM) |
| Ubergeek, thoughts? Will Team Xecutor up the ante? Will X2s see a price drop? |
we've already upped the ante
these features are old hat to us
its the new ones we're concentrating on as they're more complex
and prices nothing to do with me - i doubt they'd drop as the product is quality and we have a great reputation for that
trust me when i say our next rls is the final
Post by: dzv on April 29, 2003, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: tntomek on April 29, 2003, 01:43:00 PM
SHoudln't they be 'selling' it? They should hire naxis to do their PR, then eveyone would have a Chameleon.
Post by: DMagic1 on April 29, 2003, 04:10:00 PM
Post by: JaredC01 on April 29, 2003, 05:46:00 PM
Exactly what do you mean when you say "without modifying your Matrix?"... Like what features are available with just chameleon, or what features are available on the chameleon if you don't modify your Matrix...?
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 29, 2003, 05:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 27 2003, 04:21 PM) | ||
So it's OK in your book to claim to have a feature, then renege on it later... The new Toyota Camry will have rocket powered Ejection Seats! Later, they don't deliver the feature. That's OK with you? That's no different than Chameleon's "Stealth" mode 2.5. |
Just out of curiosity, I've been on this board for a while, and while I know you're well respected... I don't understand why you're so biased. What has team X2 done for YOU?
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 29, 2003, 06:00:00 PM
| QUOTE (tntomek @ Apr 29 2003, 09:43 PM) |
| Does TEAM XODUS ever comment here? Isn't it funny how you are asking a person to try to explain his competitions product SHoudln't they be 'selling' it? They should hire naxis to do their PR, then eveyone would have a Chameleon. |
Well if the competition can claim this is "old news" then we'd like to find out what's the "new" news.
Anyways, Team XODUS doesn't post in here and THANK GOD they don't. There's way too much X2 propaganda on this board. As an installer, I'm extremely annoyed that everybody on this board is so biased to the Xectuer
!I've installed many X2s, and I have to admit it's a good chip. But not good enough to blindly bitch about the Team XODUS team. I don't understand why all of you guys are Team Xectuer's bitches. This includes the moderators of this board ::ahem::.
(Team Xectuer is a fantastic team, don't get me wrong. I'm just sick of how people have became fan boys and bitches, it's quite annoying.)
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 29, 2003, 06:50:00 PM
| QUOTE (DMagic1 @ Apr 30 2003, 02:16 AM) | ||||
Thats what I mean. |
According to X-S's review, it seems like the mod chip can be installed either method (stand-alone) and with the matrix, both methods will have the same features.
If you do choose to install the Chemeleon with the pogo pins on the matrix, you will have to cut three tracks and solder three wires.
In the end, if you ask me, I wouldn't even bother with the Matrix mod chip anymore. Either way you still have to solder, so might as well solder the Chemeleon in, it sure as hell would make it a lot more secure (probably soldered in by header pins so that you won't have to bother installation again if there ever happens to be a new chip you want to purchase). The only gain you'll have as being a previous owner of the Matrix is that you'll have an external programmer.
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 29, 2003, 09:44:00 PM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 30 2003, 04:46 AM) | ||||||
First off, the comment was made when it was thought Team Xodus had made a claim, then pulled it away. Why do I seem biased? I think it's a perception of those who choose to ignore history. Personally, I think the Matrix is a GREAT 256k mod chip - but I made it clear a long time ago that I felt 256k would eventually be a dead end, and was already obsolete for developers, who needed 512k capacity for a debug BIOS. Want to hear history (again, since I KNOW you should have already been well versed with this)? Team Xecutor had a 1MB chip to market back in December, Team Xodus answered back with a severely misleading chart, that they later claimed was a joke. Sorry charlie, that doesn't fly. Matrix fanboys crowed about how ALL they ever needed was 256k, and they'd be happy. A month later, Team Xodus announces the Chameleon. All of a sudden, Matrix Fanboys have gotten the 1MB religion. In the meantime, the Evo-X crew rleeases a new dash version, with that lame "MAtrix Inside" logo that leads to endless confusion by newbies far and wide. Wonderful, just wonderful! Meanwhile, Team Xodus strings the public along for 4 months on the Chameleon... all the while, their association with Easybuy 2000 proves to be a disaster for their customers (and for them, as well, I'm sure) who sit and stew awaiting Matrix chips that never ship. Only a short while ago, did the Matrix begin shipping. also, finally, it looks as if the Chameleon will finally ship, after several delays. So pardon me if I take whatever comes out of the Xodus camp with a grain of salt.... Like I said, for what it is, the Matrix is a great chip. Pogopins are both a bane and a boon, and most certainly, an innovation. The alignment aid is great for 1.0 Xbox owners, but was a source of frustration for more than a few 1.1 owners, due to the slow pace of support from the Xodus camp, plus there were plenty of quality complaints (would have been nice not to have to plug directly into the port, after removing nuts from the programmer's connector) The Chameleon? My basic impression at the moment is that it is a nice, cheap 1MB chip, but the jury is still out on the stealth mode, which I suspect may not do what people think it will (perhaps the source of the delays and it's disappearance from the feature lists?). $25 is pretty cheap... the role as a Matrix add-on seems pointless, given the work involved, but it works fine as a standalone, so why bother with pogos now? The big questin, however, is where is the innovation? Like I said, the only thing I see is the "Stealth" mode and who knows what that will actually accomplish. Everything else is basically a 1MB modchip like we've had for 4 months already. Forgive me if I feel like I'm dealing with a sweaty palmed, hair-gelled used car dealer whenver I see anything out of the Xodus camp. ...meanwhile, the Xecutor camp has learned from their past mistakes and continues to deliver new products. Did I say mistakes? Sure.... their biggest fault was hype, but unlike Xodus' targeted and timed marketing attacks, The Xecutor faction has really been far more guilty of overenthusiasm. Remember the 1-wire mod? It's still copied by many cheapmods. It wasn't what we thought, but it was all true, and was still an innovation. The X2 Pro and Lite? They delayed the Pro to make it better for developers after myself and others carped about the BIOS configuration. I get direct feedback about my suggestions and comments from them. Ubergeek, their annointed spokesman, is pretty helpful (if frustrated at times) and often is modchip-agnostic with some of his responses here, unlike a certain Greek modchip purveyor. Yeah, I have respect for Team Xecutor. They don't sit on their asses or get tied up with exclusive deals involving companies with shaky reputations. They don't post questionable, misleading information on their official web site, and they certainly wouldn't post that targeted at a specific competitor or timed to hurt their business. It's funny that Matrix fanboys wail about a comment or two by Ubergeek, but from what I've seen, he speaks the truth. He's not trying to convince you of anything, just offering up a perspective from another modchip developer. Outside of the messy "dual boot" incident (the fallout of which may yet happen), he's even apologized for misinterpreting some events, and commended other chip makers for innovations (like OzXFlash). At least they aren't aloof and distant from their customers. If I was an Xecutor fanboy, I wouldn't be considering the purchase of a Chameleon, nor would I recommend it to others, yet I am and have, but it doesn't come without some reservations - of which I have NONE when recommending an X2 - it's not being a fanboy, it's just a matter of who I feel is being a straight shooter based on their past actions. |
I'd first like to thank you for your eloquent response. It was actually stimulating to read (which I can't say about the millions of other posts on this board).
Although I don't fully agree with you on the terms of Team Xectuer being "innovative," (I mean when you really think about it, the first Xectuer chip was a knock off of a CheapMod with a PCB built to match the motherboard so that soldering would be supposedly "easier," and the only supposed innovation the Xectuer 2 holds is the 1mbit bios, which the PC-BioXX actually had first). I can't say that Team XODUS has done many "innovative" things either (pardon my words, I'm using your definition of "innovative"). Team XODUS has done similar to what Team Xectuer has, they followed the CheapMod design and added pogo pins, and with their new Chamelon, well that's basically a 1mbit chip just like the rest of the competition out there.
I do agree that Team Xectuer did create a few great bios's (which by the way, they too created an idiotic "XECTUER2" logo), but Team XODUS did create the pathway to a packaged programmer for the cheapmod, software controlled bios's, and a new "stealth" mode (okay I agree the stealth mode doesn't sound too amazing).
In the matters of delays, it is true that Easybuy2000 and Team XODUS have mislead consumers with their release dates and shipment dates. But so far, that's basically the only problem I've seen. Although Team XODUS's charts DID stretch the truth, I haven't seen a chart in which they've lied either. You can't tell me Team Xectuer has not done the same. First, the Xectuer (original) was delayed, and so was the Xectuer 2. Looking at the software side, the all-mighty neXgen we saw back at Christmas, has yet to be seen in its full strength (which actually might turn out to be for the better, I'm interested in seeing it when it's DONE, not half done).
And... like you said it's all about how you look at it. I too don't like the idea of EasyBuy2000 being the sole distrobuter, but then I don't like the demeanor of Team Xectuer either, especially the methods they use in their PR battles. It's quite dispicable to tell you the truth, and I currently have an apathetic feeling towards them because of it. Their products on the other hand, are quite good.
I'd like to leave this note though... First I'm actually quite thankful for Team Xectuer and Team XODUS's work (in addition to Evolution-X Team, Team Assembly, and the many other xbox scene members). We've been fortunate to receive the help of these people, and as far as I'm concerned, I hear too much bitching and whining on this board. That being said, in particular, the battle between Team Xectuer and Team XODUS will be a long lasting battle, but I'm thankful the two are battling it out. It has now given us a $25 full featured mod chip that nearly anybody can afford now. As long as we're progressing, I don't see why anybody should bitch. We're heading in the right direction, and that's all that matters.
Post by: n1tro on April 29, 2003, 10:11:00 PM
P.S. If you are "apathetic" towards team X-ecuter, then why are so clearly expressing your opinions on their behavior?? Because we all know the definition of apathetic right?? That being..."Feeling or showing a lack of interest or concern; indifferent." Nobody here would use big words just to sound smart would they??
Post by: nazis X. on April 29, 2003, 10:52:00 PM
| QUOTE (n1tro @ Apr 30 2003, 07:11 AM) |
| Anyways, I know if it weren't for Team X-ecuter...the XBOX scene would not be where it is today. |
Well, it'd probably be where it is, just not the same. As I've said before, the various Teams developing stuff are very much appreciated by myself and many, many others, Xecuter included. While they have been a little overzelous on the flaming of their 'competitors' in the past, they've cleaned up their act and have shown that they are mature developers, not simply agressive flamers of the other Teams.
That being said, never assume that the world (or, for that matter, a scene) would end because of a single factor being absent. For instance, if they weren't around to crack the v1.1's new encryption, would've someone else have done it? Yeah, in fact, the XBox-Linux Team did also (only for the Cromwell BIOS, however). Would it have been done as quickly? That's up for debate.
Post by: nasis x. on April 30, 2003, 12:47:00 AM
lets see what is the true that is behind all this!
It is totally diferent to use a bios on a chip,
than to use a hardware on your console!
I have told it many times in these forums,
that we can't be all Modchip manifacturers and Bios developers...
Because Xecuter team have hacked V1.1 encryption,
this doesn't mean that you have to use their hardware in your console.
If you want to support them, then it is ok,
but don't forget that it is 5V device and it is dangerous playing with it!
They say that they used first the LPC modchips,
and they probably are right,
but this was the advantage to further develope their systems faster than others!
What they did?
They chose to copy pogo-pins and pin headers from Easybuy and cheapmod manifacturers...
For example: X-elixis 3D was the first programmer for SST49LF020 chips or the most user-friendly one.
After 1500 upgrades with X-elixis systems and with the experience that was gained,
now you can see X-elixis Programmer that can do the same with ALL lpc modchips!
This is xelixis (improvement) that we haven't seen it from xecuter team...
So, Xecuter definatelly have the best bios,
on the worst and most expensive modchip in the market...
Because they have hacked first v1.1 consoles,
this doesn't mean that everything has to freeze here,
and all say Xecuter rocks...
And don't forget that there is a big team that is called EvolutionX!
I haven't heard anything bad for this team,
and for this reason the bigest percentage is using their dashboard!
Also don't forget that Numbnut has released lpcmods for free use,
and now you can see a Great development,
with many diferent modchip solutions available,
that also brought OzXFlasher as a Legal solution!!!
So, forget about xecuter,
cause they offered nothing to me,
as I still use EvoX D6 bios instead...
Post by: frekkle on April 30, 2003, 02:00:00 AM
| QUOTE (nasis x. @ Apr 30 2003, 08:47 AM) |
| Ok, nazis X. lets see what is the true that is behind all this! It is totally diferent to use a bios on a chip, than to use a hardware on your console! I have told it many times in these forums, that we can't be all Modchip manifacturers and Bios developers... Because Xecuter team have hacked V1.1 encryption, this doesn't mean that you have to use their hardware in your console. If you want to support them, then it is ok, but don't forget that it is 5V device and it is dangerous playing with it! They say that they used first the LPC modchips, and they probably are right, but this was the advantage to further develope their systems faster than others! What they did? They chose to copy pogo-pins and pin headers from Easybuy and cheapmod manifacturers... For example: X-elixis 3D was the first programmer for SST49LF020 chips or the most user-friendly one. After 1500 upgrades with X-elixis systems and with the experience that was gained, now you can see X-elixis Programmer that can do the same with ALL lpc modchips! This is xelixis (improvement) that we haven't seen it from xecuter team... So, Xecuter definatelly have the best bios, on the worst and most expensive modchip in the market... Because they have hacked first v1.1 consoles, this doesn't mean that everything has to freeze here, and all say Xecuter rocks... And don't forget that there is a big team that is called EvolutionX! I haven't heard anything bad for this team, and for this reason the bigest percentage is using their dashboard! Also don't forget that Numbnut has released lpcmods for free use, and now you can see a Great development, with many diferent modchip solutions available, that also brought OzXFlasher as a Legal solution!!! So, forget about xecuter, cause they offered nothing to me, as I still use EvoX D6 bios instead... |
drop dead!
dont you understand everything you say is bullshit?!?!
Post by: BenJeremy on April 30, 2003, 06:02:00 AM
Now that that unpleasentness is over, I'd like to comment a few more things on the "Mod Wars" (I should write a book about this subject, covering PSX, PS2 and Xbox from a social/scene perspective)... nautiazn85 I don't understand your animosity towards Team Xecutor's inclusion of the "Xecutor2" logo in their BIOS. That's FAR different from "Matrix Inside" for a number of reasons... most important of them is the fact that there really is an Xecutor2 BIOS in the machine, unlike Evo-X's "Matrix Inside" crap. One is about the BIOS, the other is about the mod chip, and there's nothing at all wrong with identifying it as such (In fact, I wouldn't have one word of complaint if Evo-X put "Evolution-X" in their BIOS under the logo).
As for your continuing animosity towards Team Xecutor over their "behavior" with regards to snipy comments, that's just plain silly... Ubergeek and co. have toned it down, sensitive to the reaction of fanboys who took it a LOT more personally than even Team Xodus and the Evo-X crew did. In case you weren't aware, the 'scene', be it PC release crews, PS2 modders or the Xbox scene, is full of this kind of stuff.... like they say, if you have thin skin, this isn't the place for you. Nonetheless, what was said was not targeted for reaction by consumers - therein lies the difference, nor was any of it intended to be intentionally misleading. For that, I award NO POINTS to Team Xodus for their antics, because that is PRECISELY what they did.
As for delays in Xecutor chips... that's just too easy. The original Xecutor didn't take 4 months from announcement to shipping, did it? X2 shipped about a month after it was announced - delayed to change CPLD code, as was well explained at the time, to address customer concerns (as I mentioned). I call that good business. For Team Xodus, announce-to-ship time is dictated by when such an announcement can hurt the competition, and ship time is 'whenever' - the slips in just the Chameleon's ship dates have taken long enough for 'other' mod chip makers to propose, design, test and ship whole new products. This complaint is laughable when applied to Team Xecutor. Even when the product WAS delayed, there was honest dialogue explaining why.
Your world seems to be painted in black or white, with no room for shades of grey, and once that vision is imprinted in your head, you seem unable to accept any changes, regardless of how much occurs.
I'm certainly always willing to give Team Xodus a chance to prove me wrong. I've said in the past that I merely expect market leaders to innovate in the market, instead of resting on their laurels. It's taken them 4 months just to catch up... that sure seems like 'resting on their laurles' to me, so pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps when I see more updates to their web pages, more interactivity with their customers, and a willingness to concentrate on their own products, that is, delivering chips to the users, instead of timing mere marketing ploys to hurt their competitors, before I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Post by: mdfirefighter on April 30, 2003, 06:25:00 AM
I would just like to thank both of the teams for everything they have done for the joe-shmoe xbox owner. They have enabled us to do things we could have never done without them. They have both made contributions and mistakes. I owe these companies and teams thanks becuase without them there would be no mods for normal people like me. Thank you to both! Even if you are at war. And a raging war it is.
MDFF
"War has no winners, only teams that go home and burry the men they have lost."
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 30, 2003, 07:31:00 AM
| QUOTE (n1tro @ Apr 30 2003, 06:11 AM) |
| I believe they are the ones that cracked the XBOX first |
In fact, they were NOT the first group to crack the XBOX. It was Team Xtender who did, and Team Enigmah right afterwards. If you're going to flame, get your facts straight. For a person who has been around for "so long" you really need to get your facts straight before posting something.
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 30, 2003, 07:46:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 30 2003, 02:02 PM) |
| nautiazn85[/b] I don't understand your animosity towards Team Xecutor's inclusion of the "Xecutor2" logo in their BIOS. That's FAR different from "Matrix Inside" for a number of reasons... most important of them is the fact that there really is an Xecutor2 BIOS in the machine, unlike Evo-X's "Matrix Inside" crap. One is about the BIOS, the other is about the mod chip, and there's nothing at all wrong with identifying it as such (In fact, I wouldn't have one word of complaint if Evo-X put "Evolution-X" in their BIOS under the logo). As for your continuing animosity towards Team Xecutor over their "behavior" with regards to snipy comments, that's just plain silly... Ubergeek and co. have toned it down, sensitive to the reaction of fanboys who took it a LOT more personally than even Team Xodus and the Evo-X crew did. In case you weren't aware, the 'scene', be it PC release crews, PS2 modders or the Xbox scene, is full of this kind of stuff.... like they say, if you have thin skin, this isn't the place for you. Nonetheless, what was said was not targeted for reaction by consumers - therein lies the difference, nor was any of it intended to be intentionally misleading. For that, I award NO POINTS to Team Xodus for their antics, because that is PRECISELY what they did. As for delays in Xecutor chips... that's just too easy. The original Xecutor didn't take 4 months from announcement to shipping, did it? X2 shipped about a month after it was announced - delayed to change CPLD code, as was well explained at the time, to address customer concerns (as I mentioned). I call that good business. For Team Xodus, announce-to-ship time is dictated by when such an announcement can hurt the competition, and ship time is 'whenever' - the slips in just the Chameleon's ship dates have taken long enough for 'other' mod chip makers to propose, design, test and ship whole new products. This complaint is laughable when applied to Team Xecutor. Even when the product WAS delayed, there was honest dialogue explaining why. Your world seems to be painted in black or white, with no room for shades of grey, and once that vision is imprinted in your head, you seem unable to accept any changes, regardless of how much occurs. I'm certainly always willing to give Team Xodus a chance to prove me wrong. I've said in the past that I merely expect market leaders to innovate in the market, instead of resting on their laurels. It's taken them 4 months just to catch up... that sure seems like 'resting on their laurles' to me, so pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps when I see more updates to their web pages, more interactivity with their customers, and a willingness to concentrate on their own products, that is, delivering chips to the users, instead of timing mere marketing ploys to hurt their competitors, before I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. |
Although I do agree with most of your comments, I too find "Your world seems to be painted in black or white." While I admit I may be wrong, as I haven't had time to read all your posts, the majority of posts I've read are all against Team XODUS. I just don't see how you can excuse ALL of Team Xectuer's past behaviors while not doing the same for Team XODUS. I have not seen one post in which you've not taken a strong stance for Team Xectuer.
I actually have no feelings of animoisty towards Team Xectuer, especially since their revampment of their PR battles. I am actually apathetic towards the team, or maybe even respectful to them as a group (By the way N1tro, I DID mean to use the word "apathetic." It's not "big vocab" as you may think, most people recognize it without pulling out dusty ole Webster).
As for all the work Team Xectuer has done and will do, it is undeniable that they have helped further the XBOX community. Saying that, I feel that Team XODUS has also helped further the XBOX community, and I don't understand how one can flame one group and praise another. If anything, this discussion on how respectful we should be to groups shouldn't be occuring, as we should be thankful to all groups that have contributed to the scene.
Post by: mdfirefighter on April 30, 2003, 07:50:00 AM
| QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 30 2003, 03:59 PM) |
| And it's more than loyalties... it's also about skepticism, at least for my part, and I'm usually a pretty optomistic guy. |
The only thing is... skeptics should admit when they are wrong. Not saying you are, just in general... people have too much pride here and can NEVER EVER be wrong. Makes for some very hipocritical posts if you read back a while. Optomisim will get us though this, if there wasn't some then there would be no mods at all. But skepticism keeps everyone on their toes, especially the companies.
MDFF
Post by: mdfirefighter on April 30, 2003, 10:13:00 AM
MDFF
Post by: mdfirefighter on April 30, 2003, 10:20:00 AM
MDFF
Post by: nasis x. on April 30, 2003, 10:30:00 AM
| QUOTE |
| Well, I do thank both teams for their contributions (also, let's not forget OzXChip's contribution). |
| QUOTE |
| At least they aren't pushing cheap mods and flexible PCB connectors as 'programmers'. |
Thanks BenJeremy for not including GRmods between hacking teams,
but only to express your bad feelings...
but let me tell you that our hacking team has never had the support from any website,
while we have released first this Christmass (before X2) our product,
and also first this Easter (before Xodus) our next product.
I would like you to know, that GR hacking is one of the strongest market for this perpose,
and back in PSX time, we were third in the consuption of backups in Europe,
in front of UK, Germany, France and other bigger in pupoulation counties from us,
because hacking is not considered illegal!
So, before you tell anything about GRmods,
think that we may be a stronger team with bigger sales than both of them that you are refering to,
and we do bussines with both PS2 and Xbox,
stopping Enigmah from the start, Xecuter and Matrix in our country!
Now, if you still believe that our solution is not worth it,
because we are most concerned in the user-friendly installation than in 1 Mb bios,
then you gonna see in the future how nice plug-ins both of X2 and Matrix team has build for us...
We like to thanks them both of them for their contribution in the scene!
Post by: nazis X. on April 30, 2003, 12:47:00 PM
| QUOTE (nasis x. @ Apr 30 2003, 07:30 PM) | ||||
Thanks BenJeremy for not including GRmods between hacking teams, but only to express your bad feelings... but let me tell you that our hacking team has never had the support from any website, while we have released first this Christmass (before X2) our product, and also first this Easter (before Xodus) our next product. I would like you to know, that GR hacking is one of the strongest market for this perpose, and back in PSX time, we were third in the consuption of backups in Europe, in front of UK, Germany, France and other bigger in pupoulation counties from us, because hacking is not considered illegal! So, before you tell anything about GRmods, think that we may be a stronger team with bigger sales than both of them that you are refering to, and we do bussines with both PS2 and Xbox, stopping Enigmah from the start, Xecuter and Matrix in our country! Now, if you still believe that our solution is not worth it, because we are most concerned in the user-friendly installation than in 1 Mb bios, then you gonna see in the future how nice plug-ins both of X2 and Matrix team has build for us... We like to thanks them both of them for their contribution in the scene! |
What, exactly, have you contributed to the scene, besides a product designed to rip off people? If you were really "for the scene", you'd sell your CheapMods ($20 without your worthless "3D" PCB) for somewhere close to fair, and not for close to $70.
And I really doubt your product is popular anywhere in the world, even in your home contry. At your prices, it'd be cheaper to import a damn X2:Pro that is sturdier than your "3D Fantasy World" design AND has a 1MB capacity.
Post by: Ubergeek on April 30, 2003, 02:29:00 PM
| QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 04:31 PM) | ||
In fact, they were NOT the first group to crack the XBOX. It was Team Xtender who did, and Team Enigmah right afterwards. If you're going to flame, get your facts straight. For a person who has been around for "so long" you really need to get your facts straight before posting something. |
man you are so wrong
you have zero knowledge of the history behind this
enigmah code was demonstrated 2 weeks before xtender had anything finished - it was enigmah code that booted doa3 first - if you must knwo peojectx members were involved in enigmah development
team xtender were a couple of members who went away with a pre of the code to try and make some money on their own. They had Xtender 1.0 2 weeks after enigmah was final on cpld. They still had issues with that and didnt work correctly hence xtender 1.1
they all fell out over money and split up after realising they didnt really know what they were doing
come on bro - get some facts correct. I appreciate your input - I try to answer as much as I can, but when I see someoen posting complete shite it just has to be corrected
Post by: Ubergeek on April 30, 2003, 02:54:00 PM
| QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 06:44 AM) |
| Although I don't fully agree with you on the terms of Team Xectuer being "innovative," (I mean when you really think about it, the first Xectuer chip was a knock off of a CheapMod with a PCB built to match the motherboard so that soldering would be supposedly "easier," and the only supposed innovation the Xectuer 2 holds is the 1mbit bios, which the PC-BioXX actually had first). I can't say that Team XODUS has done many "innovative" things either (pardon my words, I'm using your definition of "innovative"). Team XODUS has done similar to what Team Xectuer has, they followed the CheapMod design and added pogo pins, and with their new Chamelon, well that's basically a 1mbit chip just like the rest of the competition out there. I do agree that Team Xectuer did create a few great bios's (which by the way, they too created an idiotic "XECTUER2" logo), but Team XODUS did create the pathway to a packaged programmer for the cheapmod, software controlled bios's, and a new "stealth" mode (okay I agree the stealth mode doesn't sound too amazing). In the matters of delays, it is true that Easybuy2000 and Team XODUS have mislead consumers with their release dates and shipment dates. But so far, that's basically the only problem I've seen. Although Team XODUS's charts DID stretch the truth, I haven't seen a chart in which they've lied either. You can't tell me Team Xectuer has not done the same. First, the Xectuer (original) was delayed, and so was the Xectuer 2. Looking at the software side, the all-mighty neXgen we saw back at Christmas, has yet to be seen in its full strength (which actually might turn out to be for the better, I'm interested in seeing it when it's DONE, not half done). And... like you said it's all about how you look at it. I too don't like the idea of EasyBuy2000 being the sole distrobuter, but then I don't like the demeanor of Team Xectuer either, especially the methods they use in their PR battles. It's quite dispicable to tell you the truth, and I currently have an apathetic feeling towards them because of it. Their products on the other hand, are quite good. I'd like to leave this note though... First I'm actually quite thankful for Team Xectuer and Team XODUS's work (in addition to Evolution-X Team, Team Assembly, and the many other xbox scene members). We've been fortunate to receive the help of these people, and as far as I'm concerned, I hear too much bitching and whining on this board. That being said, in particular, the battle between Team Xectuer and Team XODUS will be a long lasting battle, but I'm thankful the two are battling it out. It has now given us a $25 full featured mod chip that nearly anybody can afford now. As long as we're progressing, I don't see why anybody should bitch. We're heading in the right direction, and that's all that matters. |
now you are REALLY showing your bad memory
Xecuter1 was the FIRST lpc based mod
it came 6 weeks BEFORE any cheapmod was announced (by andy)
We designed the first cpld lpc host driver
not to mention we've designed 99% of all the bios hacks available
we also innovated the first switchable modchip and the first external design
I cant actually believe you question our innovation and input to the scene - in fact its amusing
and for you to say the bootup logo is idiotic - just what the fuck do you do bro ?
its our bios we brand it. It was also there for a reason - to show NOOB installers thats its working without having to boot a disc
and you talk about our marketing - for fucks sake that was back in X1 days - X2 promotion has been flawless with everything going very well with zero issues - we even ask peoples input to how they would like to see the design and we LISTEN TO THEM
if you dont like it I suggest you design your own hardware and bios's
enough talking to you - its a waste of my time, you talk like someone who can do nothing but post idiotic comments but not back them up with any skill or real knowledge whatsoever
Post by: nazis X. on April 30, 2003, 03:04:00 PM
I know you're trying to stick up for your group, and you're in the right when it comes to most of these statements. And I'm not saying the X1 sucked... I'm just pointing out that I'm almost positive the Cheapmod design was out before it.
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 30, 2003, 07:03:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 30 2003, 10:29 PM) | ||||
man you are so wrong you have zero knowledge of the history behind this enigmah code was demonstrated 2 weeks before xtender had anything finished - it was enigmah code that booted doa3 first - if you must knwo peojectx members were involved in enigmah development team xtender were a couple of members who went away with a pre of the code to try and make some money on their own. They had Xtender 1.0 2 weeks after enigmah was final on cpld. They still had issues with that and didnt work correctly hence xtender 1.1 they all fell out over money and split up after realising they didnt really know what they were doing come on bro - get some facts correct. I appreciate your input - I try to answer as much as I can, but when I see someoen posting complete shite it just has to be corrected |
As always, I'm speaking in terms of the general public Ubergeek. I cannot speak from your perspective, the "inside" perspective, and I have no facts to argue with in terms of who created their source code first.
In terms of actual release dates. Team Xtender DID release their chip to retailers before Team Enigmah did as far back as I remember. When I say "release" I'm talking about source code, production, and finally availability of the chip, in which case Team Xtender released their chip first. I do agree that Team Enigmah was the first to demonstrate the ability of their chips to the public under real-life conditions, but from the public point of view, we were able to purchase the Xtender first.
Although Team Enigmah may have announced a hack beforehand, there was NO "CODE" that was released to the public at the beginning to prove that Team Enigmah indeed did have the source code first. A source code did come out at a later time (after retailers had began to sell the chips); The source code was first pulled directly from a retail chip (hacked), and later released by both Team Enigmah and Team Xtender. From there we spawned many Enigmah and Xtender clones.
I cannot comment on the quality of either chips, as I did not own either one. I was able to get a copy of the bins for both Team Enigmah's and Team Xtender's chip, and I used it to program chips that I installed on my own XBOXes. It was soon after that, that I was able to grab a copy of Team Evolution-X's bios with the hard drive hack, and later installed a bios from Team Xectuer which I currently use today (which I have to admit was the most stable bios I have tested to date).
As far as my comment, I still stand by it, as n1tro had mistakenly stated that the FIRST mod chip was created by Team Xectuer (your team), which was NOT the fact. Also please do not take me wrong Ubergeek, I have no feelings of animosity towards you, contrary to what other members on this forum say, I actually find both your products and your software to be of top quality. With that being said, I am only participating in this thread because I have seen a sudden burst of Team XODUS flaming which I have found un-called for. If there was flaming of Team Xectuer, I would do the exact same thing for you.
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 30, 2003, 07:25:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 30 2003, 10:54 PM) | ||
now you are REALLY showing your bad memory Xecuter1 was the FIRST lpc based mod it came 6 weeks BEFORE any cheapmod was announced (by andy) We designed the first cpld lpc host driver not to mention we've designed 99% of all the bios hacks available we also innovated the first switchable modchip and the first external design I cant actually believe you question our innovation and input to the scene - in fact its amusing and for you to say the bootup logo is idiotic - just what the fuck do you do bro ? its our bios we brand it. It was also there for a reason - to show NOOB installers thats its working without having to boot a disc and you talk about our marketing - for fucks sake that was back in X1 days - X2 promotion has been flawless with everything going very well with zero issues - we even ask peoples input to how they would like to see the design and we LISTEN TO THEM if you dont like it I suggest you design your own hardware and bios's enough talking to you - its a waste of my time, you talk like someone who can do nothing but post idiotic comments but not back them up with any skill or real knowledge whatsoever |
As "nazis x" stated, from the "public's" point of view, we had saw the CheapMod readily available much earlier than the Xectuer 1. I'm extremely sorry if I'm incorrect, but we, the public, were not able to see what happened in the background, and therefore were did not know that you guys had hacked the LPC bus before anybody else had. I only know what has been said by everybody not on the "inside" and the word was Andy had created the first cpld LPC bus driver beforehand. I'm extremely sorry if I'm incorrect on this point, and I would like to retract my statement and apologize if it does turn out that you are correct.
As far as the bios issue, I would have to disagree that you guys have created 99% of the bios hacks available. I believe that number was GREATLY exaggerated (I would approximate it to be about 40% of the total hacks available, but I would not be certain unless I had the time to sit down calculate it).
As far as the first switchable mod chip, I agree that you guys did create that first. I don't question your innovation, I just don't understand how others on the forum can question other teams innovations.
As far as the comment on the boot up logo, it was a comparison between your "Xecuter2" logo and Team Evolution-X & Team XODUS's bootup logo "Matrix Inside" which was added to a "special version" of one of Team Evolution-X's dashboards (there were two versions available, one with the "Matrix Inside" logo and one without. Both had the exact same features and version number). I did not like the "Matrix Inside" logo either, and if it helps, I too call that logo "idiotic." If you say the logo was for "NOOB" installers, I am sure there were many other methods of accomplishing the exact same thing (for example, changing the color of portions of the booting sequence), without forcing users to keep the "Xectuer2" logo.
I speak of your marketing in a past tense. I hated the tactics you guys had used in the past, and I am glad you acknoledge the mistake. I too agree that your latest promotion tactics are a bit more well mannered, and much more respectable.
Please Ubergeek, do not misunderstand my intentions. I do not in any way want to attack Team Xectuer, I am merely stating the similarities between your team and Team XODUS. It is because you guys are so well respected, and also have had your own share of mistakes, that I hope the users of this forum will do the same for Team XODUS.
By the end of the day, competition is the fuel of our economy. At $25 a pop, and with all its features, I really don't understand why ANYBODY is complaining about the Chameleon. It's a fantastic value.
Post by: n1tro on April 30, 2003, 09:27:00 PM
| QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 03:31 PM) | ||
In fact, they were NOT the first group to crack the XBOX. It was Team Xtender who did, and Team Enigmah right afterwards. If you're going to flame, get your facts straight. For a person who has been around for "so long" you really need to get your facts straight before posting something. |
Its you who don't know what the hell you are talking about! Just because you have more posts than me, thats doesn't mean you know shit. I'm the older member here! I've forgotten more stuff before you even realized the XBOX could be modded. There's wisdom in age! Bahhahahahaha. Stick to doing "installs" please. And please don't speak on behalf of the "public" or make statements based on "public knowledge". If Ubergeeks says 99% of hacked bios were from X-ecuter....then take it as the gospel and don't try to recalculate the percentages with your "public knowledge" logic 
Also, if Ubergeek says X-ecuter first cracked the XBOX code, then, guess what??... they did it! You're hearing this from the horse's mouth dude so show some respect. Follow the scene from Februrary 2002 and then install a bare beta Enigmah chip as your first mod...and then about 1000 XBOX mods later....we'll be on the same playing field. 
Post by: nautiazn85 on April 30, 2003, 10:24:00 PM
| QUOTE (n1tro @ May 1 2003, 05:27 AM) | ||||
Its you who don't know what the hell you are talking about! Just because you have more posts than me, thats doesn't mean you know shit. I'm the older member here! I've forgotten more stuff before you even realized the XBOX could be modded. There's wisdom in age! Bahhahahahaha. Stick to doing "installs" please. And please don't speak on behalf of the "public" or make statements based on "public knowledge". If Ubergeeks says 99% of hacked bios were from X-ecuter....then take it as the gospel and don't try to recalculate the percentages with your "public knowledge" logic Also, if Ubergeek says X-ecuter first cracked the XBOX code, then, guess what??... they did it! You're hearing this from the horse's mouth dude so show some respect. Follow the scene from Februrary 2002 and then install a bare beta Enigmah chip as your first mod...and then about 1000 XBOX mods later....we'll be on the same playing field. |
You can blindly follow whomever you'd like. You choose your own god, if Ubergeek is your god, then so be it. I'm not saying he's a bad guy whatesoever. In fact, I'm actually very glad he's here to help in this forum. As for you... well... ::cough cough:: perfect example of an Xectuer fan boy ::cough cough::.
As far as your comments about being part of this forum, when you joined the forum means nothing. Yep nothing. Just for your information, I've been part of the scene much earlier than you think (through IRC channels, different forums such as ISONEWS, etc.). In fact, I've been constantly part of the scene since day one (when I pre-ordered 3 xboxes for MS's release date, November 15, 2003, broke them open and released some pictures of the insides). I just chose to join X-S's forum much later because at first I didn't think I had enough time to participate.
I admit, I haven't had much progress in hacking the XBOX myself, and it is for that reason that I commend people and groups like Bunnie, Andy, Team Xtender, Team Enigmah, Team Evolution-X, Team Assembly, and yes even Team Xectuer
Post by: nasis x. on April 30, 2003, 11:38:00 PM
| QUOTE | ||
its because your "team" isn't a team at all! all you do is rip other peoples idea and slap on a well above average premium price tag on it  |
You are wrong,
we brought Plug&Hack installation, that can replace Nevrosys systems,
providing with the cheapest solution!
We brought the first programmer for Xbox, with minimum cost!
We have the cheapest solution, with the most available features,
and of course with user-friendly and safe installation!
Thanks goes to Illialex and the scientist: 7 hours to develope Lusifer mod,
Baggelis: 25 Hours to build everything in GRmods,
Evolution-X for releasing these usefull tools,
and the teacher (Numbnut) for releasing cheapmods!
| QUOTE | ||
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Both X2 and Xodus, has based their future on a bigger bios support,
while we chosen to support LPC Bus with Plug&Hack installation.
When bigger bios is not needed, we are the winners,
cause we give extra features for future, with cheaper price!
| QUOTE | ||
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GReece is a place where you buy a console to hack it,
and if it isn't hacked, you dont buy it!
I have a BIG advertaisment in the newspaper saing that,
I hack both consoles from ALL regions!
I have visited UK before 3 years to continue PSX hacking,
and this place sucks in hacking things...
You couldn't even report in the yellow pages where you live,
what is your phone number and stuf like this...
We do everything clear, and many teams are selling Backups in the yellow pages,
with their home phone number accesible!
I don't do backups...
| QUOTE | ||
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We never asked for support,
to finish what we have announced on perpose,
in the thread "MS's Big Plan"
Live Hacking cooming soon...by GRmods
You are ALL welcome to participate,
to upgrade Xbox Hacking on a 3rd Dimensional Level,
building togather the next X-elixis Plug-In!
Add your personally wanted features,
test the progress of the design Live with your X-Programmer development tool,
and finally receive the final product in 15 Days time!
cooming soon ...!
Post by: Ubergeek on May 01, 2003, 02:01:00 AM
Post by: Ubergeek on May 01, 2003, 02:04:00 AM
| QUOTE (nasis x. @ May 1 2003, 08:38 AM) |
| Live Hacking cooming soon...by GRmods |
Well as you have zero technical knowledge of the xbox, I doubt this statement - as all your others isnt worth a shit
however if you do anything with XBL you will kill and fuck it up for genuine xbl users
you could kiss XBL good bye and fuck it up for the entire scene
this is another example of how anti-scene and full of shit you are
Post by: nasis x. on May 01, 2003, 08:46:00 AM
is meaning that we will develope the next Plug-In OnLine,
with 100 and more beta testers of X-elixis Programmer,
with easy Plug&Hack actions!
We gonna use only GRmods products,
that will be our sponsor.
I am not an expert in electronics as you say,
and I may fail in the online development of Xtension Switch,
so I expect that other expert hackers may help in the design!
Of course you are also welcome to help and express you personal opinion,
and if things go well, I hope to find the time to add some extra features,
that beta testers will add and any other that is interested!
The all project will last 1 week for development,
1 week for building it and 3 days for shipment to all users that wish to have it!
I am talking about beta testers because they will have the needed hardware to fallow with as the development day by day...
As you said that you like to leave Xecuter name over any hardware,
I would also like to leave an extra port available for further development,
compatible with ALL other hardware with X-elixis name written!
And this name will be tenderly written on the back of the console, Externally !!!
So, Xbox Hacking Live means, that users will have the chance to get a hardware add-on,
that they will personally design (!),
build on the features that users would like to see!
I don't want to Hack Xbox Live as in my country is not active,
but if anyone want to hack it, he will probably can,
as he can add features to the final product that will come from Xbox Hacking Live!
Post by: frekkle on May 01, 2003, 03:44:00 PM
MAKING A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF
YOU ARE NOT A HACKER
YOU ARE NOT A DEVELOPER
YOU ARE NOT A MODCHIP MAKER
YOU ARE NOT SKILLED IN ANY WAY
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HACK LIVE ON ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES AN IQ OF 10 TO FIGURE OUT
AND YOU ARE SURTAINLY NOT 3D!!!
XELIXIS IS A PIECE OF PLASTIC! FACE IT!
ITS NOT A PROGRAMMER
ITS NOTHING BETTER THAN A CHEAPMOD WITH A PINHEADER
ITS A WASTE OF MONEY AND TIME!
SAVE YOUR ENERGYNOW THAT YOU ARE GROWING OLD!
Post by: bagel5009 on May 01, 2003, 03:47:00 PM
Post by: nautiazn85 on May 01, 2003, 04:31:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 1 2003, 10:01 AM) |
| nautiazn85 I can understand you are taking this from a public perception im just giving you the facts as they are bro and team enigamh split up and formed team xecuter - just so you know that yes we were the original crackers re current mods - I would never bash the chameleon - it looks nice, its cheap, had good development in put from evox - its easybuy i disagree with - not team xodus re the bootup logo - yes the evox matrix inside was lame as it was embeed into the dash which was zero to do with the bios - i.e. ppl with xecuter mods or cheapmods or pcbioxx were getting this - so of course thats really crappy - however xecuter2 meant you had an xecuter2 bios - no matter what hardware you were using. apart from historical confusion you have some good inpout - keep it up, we're listening |
I thank you then for clearing things up. I have always questioned whether members of Team Enigmah had joined Team Xectuer, it is until now that you have finally verified it (before it was just a rumor that I could not base as a fact).
I also thank you for the "inside" perspective of things, and your historical timeline of how things happened. It had not occured to me that there might be a parallel time line, one of the public's point of view, and one of the developer's point of view until yesturday. I thank you once again for clearing all this up.
I would also like to mention that although Team Evolution did include a logo embedded into their dashboard, that they did release another version of the dashboard without the embedded logo (the version I use). Users who don't like the logo should download the dashboard without the embedded logo.
Fourth, I would like to mention that the Xectuer 2 series chip (especially the pro) are amazing chips and I thank you for bringing them to the market. As a member of the scene, and an installer, I would like to think that I've seen and been through a lot. I can proudly say that for now, the Xectuer2:Pro is indeed my favorite chip to install, and the most full featured one on the market. Although I do believe that you can lower the pricing, I do have a faint understanding of economics, and I understand that it is best to charge what the market can bare (thus realizing more profits) at this current time. Because in the future, you will probably have to lower the prices in order to compete with other companies in the market.
Last of all, as far as the Chameleon, the jury is still out. Most of us don't own the chip yet but at least we now know that it DOES exist. It is in my opinion, that unless prices are lowered by competing companies (especially companies that offer 1mbit chips), that the Chameleon may as well be the best value on the market when it is finally released. Of course, the public will just have to sit back and watch to see if anything does occur in terms of pricing
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Post by: nautiazn85 on May 01, 2003, 04:37:00 PM
What probably will be best is if we have only one person comment about his lies in his posts (instead of 50 million), so that newbies won't buy his products, and then just ignore him until he does create or say something useful.
Post by: BCfosheezy on May 01, 2003, 06:16:00 PM
Also, on Easybuy's website they moved the date to may 9.
Post by: Ubergeek on May 01, 2003, 06:19:00 PM
| QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ May 2 2003, 01:31 AM) |
| Although I do believe that you can lower the pricing, I do have a faint understanding of economics, and I understand that it is best to charge what the market can bare (thus realizing more profits) at this current time. |
well i dont have anything to do with the pricing - the mods sell from factory actually very cheap - and the retailers make their (deserved) margin
However if you dont do it like this - you are tied to only one or maybe two retailers instead of dozens globally
This equals cheaper Shipping Costs, More Consumer Choice, Better Support
We've all seen how damaging just haveing one exclusive retailer can be - i'm not going down that path.
I dont believe people buy my products becuase they are cheap - they buy them becuase they are quality. I'm sure X2 will lower in price once X3 is released - that is natural progression. But dont expect any of my mods to be $25. It would be impossible to cover overheads (factory costs / staffing / packers / admin / Returns Testers / Retailer margins / technical Support / New developments) - the list goes on and on - people have no idea how big an operation this is if you are developing - and how much it actually costs.
Time will tell
Post by: nautiazn85 on May 01, 2003, 08:23:00 PM
| QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 2 2003, 02:19 AM) | ||
well i dont have anything to do with the pricing - the mods sell from factory actually very cheap - and the retailers make their (deserved) margin However if you dont do it like this - you are tied to only one or maybe two retailers instead of dozens globally This equals cheaper Shipping Costs, More Consumer Choice, Better Support We've all seen how damaging just haveing one exclusive retailer can be - i'm not going down that path. I dont believe people buy my products becuase they are cheap - they buy them becuase they are quality. I'm sure X2 will lower in price once X3 is released - that is natural progression. But dont expect any of my mods to be $25. It would be impossible to cover overheads (factory costs / staffing / packers / admin / Returns Testers / Retailer margins / technical Support / New developments) - the list goes on and on - people have no idea how big an operation this is if you are developing - and how much it actually costs. Time will tell |
I actually do understand where you're coming from this time as I did produce my own CheapMods in the past. It was a grueling and time consuming task, and for the price that I sold them at ($16) and the support I gave to customers, I had found that it just wasn't worth it . In that cause, I do feel that Team Xectuer does deserve a profit, and if I were you guys, I wouldn't lower the price a single penny unless competition forced me to.
Post by: Ubergeek on May 02, 2003, 05:30:00 AM
But to have global sales / vast technical support / mass of choice for consumers / fast delivery you have to have these prices - or no one will bother selling them
this is nothing to do with the mod market - this is natural economics
Post by: bagel5009 on May 02, 2003, 07:55:00 AM
Post by: obliviator on May 24, 2003, 07:59:00 AM
Post by: cideusse on May 24, 2003, 10:22:00 AM
I got mine this morning,Only ordered it on Thursday this week.
Nice blue lights & works a treat (Direct install not a Matrix add-on).
Post by: xMonoxide187x on May 24, 2003, 10:43:00 AM
I really don't understand what everyones complaining about, if you took 5 minutes to read up on Easybuy's track record, you would have expected this. I did, and I'm not dissapointed at all that it was delayed. I expected them to start shipping Mid to Late June at the earliest.
Post by: cideusse on May 24, 2003, 11:01:00 AM
Can't really assist you with the install as I threw it towards me brother who installed it this afternoon.
Now he's ordering one.
It is a straight forward Pin Header install (Supplied), I'll ask him what other points there are?
Post by: cideusse on May 24, 2003, 11:08:00 AM
Regards
Post by: mirx999 on May 24, 2003, 11:12:00 AM
Post by: cideusse on May 24, 2003, 01:41:00 PM
Regards
Post by: Ace25 on May 24, 2003, 01:53:00 PM
Post by: krackheadbill on May 24, 2003, 08:11:00 PM
Post by: Silicone on May 26, 2003, 09:21:00 AM
Post by: ichpen on May 26, 2003, 09:24:00 AM
| QUOTE (Silicone @ May 26 2003, 06:21 PM) |
| How come it seems like in this post.. No one has received there chameleon yet... but on a few other post such as this one , people are already asking how to flash their chameleon. How many of you have received your chameleon yet. |
I have (today).
I believe it varies depending on how far it was back-ordered. People who placed orders way back in February should've received it by now.
My order was placed in mid-March and I just got it.
I believe there is still limited supply for this part.
Post by: matic on May 27, 2003, 06:44:00 AM
I live in Vancouver, Canada, so fortunately, there were no customs issues.
Post by: crl50384 on May 27, 2003, 08:12:00 AM
I'm in the UK btw..............
Post by: AdamVIP on May 27, 2003, 08:58:00 AM
Post by: Langor on May 27, 2003, 10:16:00 AM
Preordered back in February, CC charged on the 14th and shipped on the 21st. I'm also in Western Canada but the funny thing I noticed was that there was a US shipping number which confused the hell out of me as all my previous orders from EB2K had CA numbers. I thought my package was lost. 
Turns out after an email with their people, they are shipping up from Mid US rather than from Quebec. Just have to be patient... Things might be slow from them but they have come through for all my orders so far!
Post by: ichpen on May 27, 2003, 10:20:00 AM
| QUOTE (Langor @ May 27 2003, 07:16 PM) |
| Just got my package today! Preordered back in February, CC charged on the 14th and shipped on the 21st. I'm also in Western Canada but the funny thing I noticed was that there was a US shipping number which confused the hell out of me as all my previous orders from EB2K had CA numbers. I thought my package was lost. Turns out after an email with their people, they are shipping up from Mid US rather than from Quebec. Just have to be patient... Things might be slow from them but they have come through for all my orders so far! |
I had the same issue with them.
When I called they kept telling me that they ship from Quebec whereas when I emailed them they told me they would ship from their factory (presumably in the US).
Post by: GrisGris on May 27, 2003, 10:29:00 AM
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